US Constellation, Arleigh Burke III & Tico vs Type 054B, 052D & 055 (Naval Battle 129) | DCS
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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2024
- Today we run our ultimate escort ship battle. China vs USA. USA get one Constellation Frigate, two Arleigh Burke Flight III Destroyers and two Ticonderoga Cruiser while China get one Type 054B Frigate, two 052D and two 055 Destroyers.
USA will use SM-3, SM-6, SM-2, ESSM, Tomahawk Va, Naval Strike Missile and Harpoon. China gets YJ-21, YJ-18, YJ-12, HHQ-9N, HHQ-10 & HHQ-16FE.
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1:08 Vessel Details
3:43 Predictions
4:16 Battle
17:30 Super Galleon Broadside Dogfight Mode
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Can you do China defend against B1 bomber raid equipped with LRASM?
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When I saw that this was an escort battle I was disappointed to find that it featured escorts and not escorts.
And demonitized….
I must admit my expectations were also quite unpleasantly subverted. Should flag the channel for clickbait titles!
Now that I've been riled up and left hanging, where do I go to get actual escort battles? Reddit? Motherless? Ok Google...
Are we talking about Ford Escorts? I’d love to see an XR3i battling an Escort Cabriolet
Ya'll are funny! 🤣
Dude! Made me spit coffe 😅😅
Damn I thought that last YJ-21 was gonna get through and smack one of our ships! That was close!
They will all get through...they move unlike ballistic missiles
@@jonathantoymakernah against real Block IIA SM3 they won’t
@@fqeagles21 watch
@jonathantoymaker Chinese equipment is like Russian equipment. They claim it's something it's not. That's why we have the F15. Our stuff is made to be better than their stuff. Their stuff is about half of what they say it is. Ours is better than what we say it is.
@@user-sz4hg1zx3v And ontop of that, the US ALWAYS understates its capabilities, just wait till the chinese with their water nukes get in action XD
Nice work CH and Cap!
I always love watching these battles.
During the galleon fight, there would be a one big weapon, torpedoes! But I don’t think they are modeled yet. That was fun!
Question. Do ships still carry torpedos? I see them mostly dropped from helicopters during ASW.
@@florianmaschke269 yep. Most carry lightweight torps on board. I believe the newest ones are actually used against incoming torpedoes as a defensive measure
Very intersting and lots of fun, well done
Sweet battle!
It should go without saying, I absolutely appreciate and love what CH has done for DCS and the community. Whatever comments I have are meant purely as constructive feedback and are not ill-willed. Thanks to you both!
Some general comments on fleet design, ship capabilities/loadouts, and the future of USN ships.
- I know you guys have tried to remedy this, but I believe the burst fire of anti-ship missiles on the US side is having a dramatic effect on capability. Would you be willing to run a specialized test Cap? Use this video as a test, and calculate how many ships you would need to add in to simply emulate the number of offensive missiles fired on the USN side all at once - purely to test that first round barrage for science. For example, using fake numbers, let's say the US has 80 total Harpoons/Tomahawks/NSM/SM-6 targeting enemy ships fired in total for this entire video. Then calculate the number of missiles they fire per wave in this video, say it's 20 just for the example. This means, if you do a test scenario to represent all 80 offensive missiles being fired at once, you'd put in 400% the quantity of USN ships into the scenario and only count that very first missile barrage, where it would theoretically equal all 80 offensive missiles in one strike. Anything after that is irrelevant, as you just want that first volley. I'd love to watch it. We've already seen the USN side can defend against the Chinese attack, so that's the only quest that remains - can the US mix of slower, but with some stealth added, get through the Chinese defense if they weren't limited by a weird DCS flaw in the code.
- I believe the Ticos should reflect the real world and start to be phased out in DCS battles. To emulate the real world, basically China doesn't have a ton of 055 cruisers to deploy, the Tico's are being phased out. Reflecting this in DCS likely means skipping the Tico, giving China 1x 055, and then giving the US 1-2 extra Burkes to equal out the forces in the DCS conflict, as that reflects the fact the US has a lot more top-tier DDGs compared to China. Unless there's a war and Tico's are recommissioned out of storage, they will be all but gone in ~5 years.
- I'm just going off memory, but I thought the Maritime Strike Tomahawks had the capability to hit moving land and sea targets all in one new variant. Either way, there is no reason for a Tico to skip carrying maritime Tomahawks just because they have some legacy Harpoons on the ship. Older Tomahawk variants are being retired and the Block IV's were all being upgraded per memory, so there won't be any older gen. Tomahawks that can only hit static land targets left in the fleet going into the near future.
- I strongly believe the USN will eventually proceed with enabling the NSM and LRASM to be packed into VLS cells. It just makes a lot of sense with the incredible focus and importance VLS has in the modern USN.
- Since these battles are a bit futuristic, the Burke III and IIA should probably be split about even for these near-peer conflicts with China as the US would try to have as many Burke III's as possible, but there just aren't many for at least the next five years due to the first one being commissioned just recently, with four more currently under construction and there should be an average of 2 commissioned every year indefinitely beginning around next year.
- In about five years from now, I imagine the standard CSG will have 4 or 5 Burkes with only 1 likely being a Flight III. Then 1 Constellation class frigate until more are commissioned. In the longer term, I imagine the ideal CSG will be 2x Burke III, 2x Burke IIa, and 2x Constellations, and then there will be a variety of small, medium, and large unmanned surface vessels (USVs) with the large having containerized VLS cells; each CSG is likely to have 2-3 each of both the medium and large variants.
- About 10-15 years from now we will also be seeing the first DDG(x) ships commissioned, and the plan is hopefully for Burkes to also be retrofitted with the new Growth-VLS developed by Lockheed Martin, which effectively replaces a block of 8x Mk 41 VLS cells with a block of 4x G-VLS cells, and each of these newly designed cells can quad-pack Tomahawks/SM-2/SM-3/SM-6, contain one hypersonic missile, or up to 16 (!) ESSM (4x quad-packs). This will result in retrofitted Burkes and the DDG(x) both having just massive quantities of VLS missiles, all in addition to the LUSV with their containerized distributed VLS model adding anywhere from 8 to 96 additional missiles depending on the loadout and type of VLS cells/final LUSV design.
- Medium and small classes of USVs will distribute ISR, countermine, and likely counter surface/submarine warfare capabilities as they form an outer layer around the CSG. For example, small USV models will have IR sensors/radars/sonars/tethered drones and also likely launch surface/underwater/airborne drones with automatic recovery. These may range from ISR to electronic warfare, decoys, loitering or kamikaze munitions.
Medium USV variants will likely have autocannons with integrated infrared and radar fire control systems (at this point, it's likely the entire sensor network in fully integrated and any weapon can target and fire at anything utilizing the best networked input) and potentially utilize the new 30mm electronically-fuzed airburst rounds to serve as cheap options against boat swarms and airborne drone swarms along with last-ditch counter missile defense. I imagine they will also potentially host short range anti-air missiles (somewhere between SeaRAM and ESSM capability), APKWS rockets or Hellfire/Griffin missiles, laser/microwave energy weapons, loitering and kamikaze drone munition launchers, potentially canister launchers for anti-ship missiles, and even torpedo launchers.
Love you long time!
屁股决定脑袋永远也不会客观，信息这么发达的时代，无知只是一种选择。
Your comment is completely contradictory. You want to nerf China / buff the US to "reflect the real world" but then you also want to equip the US based on future numbers. If you wanna use future numbers, why not also give China 3 Type 055s since they are constantly being built (and at a much faster pace than what the US is doing)?
@@cassius_eu5970 I'm not sure where the miscommunication came about, so I'll attempt to explain further. I suggested lowering the number of Type 055's to 1 rather than 2, as they don't have a lot of them (8 now, 16 max in the future per open source plans).
I suggested lowering the Tico down to 1 or even 0, as they will be entirely gone soon (13 now, 0 sometime in the next decade perhaps). Both of these ships are generally considered cruisers.
I also suggested using more Burke IIa's rather than Burke III's - both of these suggestions for the US would be a downgrade. However, to reflect real-world group composition and pure numbers, the US has more Burke destroyers than China has in equivalent destroyers, especially in the 9,500 ton range. Meanwhile, the Chinese navy has many more frigates and lighter guided missile ships than the current USN.
China has about 30 "modern" destroyers in service right now, but all of them are in the 7,000 ton range rather than 9,500 ton range for Burke Flight I/II/IIa/III. There are 73 Burkes and the plan is to commission 2-3 every year indefinitely until the DDG(x) eventually replaces it, and then 2-3 of those will be commissioned per year instead. Therefore, if Cap wanted to reflect a future war game without the Tico, then it makes sense for the US side to have an extra 1-2 Burke class destroyers to reflect the fact there are 73 of them versus 8. The Chinese navy should theoretically be limited to one or two 055 in their own CSG, with more of the smaller 7,000 ton destroyers to fill out their group (but I didn't go on and post all of that, as I was focused on the US composition). Finally, I mentioned the Constellation class as eventually going to be part of the standard CSG composition, but only 1 or 2 even decades from now when there are quite a few built.
Suggestions to Cap are in light of the fact most of his CSG videos have a natural buffer of "3-5" years into the future, and then he has historically done a series on 5, 10, 15, or 20 years into the future and trying to use more modern tech as modded by CH.
The rest of my post was just me rambling about the future composition of the USN fleet, the new VLS weapons and VLS cells we may see, and expressing excitement/amazement over these plans. This was all done as a way to introduce Cap, CH, and the audience to my general thoughts and research in relation to these VLS and USV plans and perhaps they are interesting to Cap and/or CH and they would like to eventually model these for futuristic war game videos. I don't know the plans for the Chinese navy, as they're secretive and not much makes it into the public domain.
With the release of the early KOLA map today, I cannot wait to see what you guys come up with. It is a beautiful map and I look forward to what they continue to develop.
How does this always drop the moment I’m about to go to sleep
Cap: thanks for explaining why you group the ships so close together as I, as well as many Viewingtons, know that's not how it's done IRL. 👍
lol yes
Next : 5 Type-55 vs 5 Tycos
I think USA AA is overrated here. Picking off those freaking mach 10 missiles like that seems unrealistic.
Also, seems like navies should bring back some classic gunships, as these fleets could spend all of their anti-ship missiles without success
You clearly don’t understand missile defense lol
First thing yes are AA can take a missle going at mach 10 u don't believe while don't you go ask a navy commander
I would add, those very short ranges shoot downs would just send a mach 10 shotgun blast of fragments at the ship. The ship may not sink, but it would hurt still.
@@Zacho5 great point..and to add further, any shotgun could only dream of having so much kinetic energy
@@FacitOmniaVoluntas. Yes he does. DCS missiles are all way too fricken accurate especially air defence missiles. Even for regular anti-ship missiles here firing at large targets there should around a 10 to 20% miss chance depending on the models let alone intercepting mach 10 missiles
最幽默的就是yj-21被如此轻松的拦截🥱
他们自嗨而已，而且就美国进攻，我们就被动防御，完全自娱自乐而已
Galleon fight again please, this time 1 Iowa against the same 5 Red ships. Also, while watching this I remembered seeing that development work has been done for vertical launch LRASM. Curious to see how this would go if the ships had a LRASM load.
Unpopular opinion-to be honest, I don’t understand why so many people want to see WW2-era battleships used as the main warship in a modern context. It’s not a dig at your comment specifically, I just see those kinds of requests so often and I really don’t get it. They would only do well in the exact scenario from the end of the video-at a distance so small that both sides could shout to each another. Increase the separation to 10-15 nmi and the Iowas would get destroyed by a barrage of modern missiles before they could begin correct their aim to hit anywhere close the Chinese. Not to mention that IRL the Iowas became incredibly inaccurate by the 80’s and 90’s because of insufficient maintenance of the gun turrets and really old ammunition (it was no longer in production; btw it was really dangerous to operate the guns anyway because the hydraulics leaked like a sieve).
@MaxIsStrange1 OMIGOD! You're probably one of those "the movie 'Battleship' wasn't a REAL documentary" folks! Geez.
#RihannaWasTheTrueStar
@@MaxIsStrange1dude chill out. Not everything needs to be realistic. Sometimes pure entertainment is cool. What is it you have stuck up your butt?
@@glynnmbebee What’s with the personal attacks? I simply said that I DON’T UNDERSTAND the appeal of such scenarios in general and I explained why. I didn’t make any comments about you, and especially not about the other guy, so why did you two feel the need to make comments about my person?
@@Doodelz02 Nope. I just don’t get why you’d want to use DCS, “the most realistic” sim around, just for mindless explosions. There are many different games, like Ace Combat, that give you much more of that bombastic fun so why pester a DCS creator about making that realistic simulator do things it was not meant to do? It’s more like someone saying that “Band of Brothers” needed more martial arts fight scenes… #WintersWasTheTrueStar
BTW you’re commenting under a technical demo of new highly realistic mods with a bit of destruction added at the very end.
Gotta incorporate the torps if you have them that close.
No way that it can intercept the YJ21 in real life.
need more galleon fights
Another fun video! General question, but in real life, how do the ships manage their radars when together? Do all of them have their radars on at the same time? or each has a sector? do they interfere with each other?
Oh! Maybe do a joit opterstiom practice, but it turned into a battle.
I was expecting the Pov to also focus on yhe SM-6, i thought some of the SM-6s were also gonna get used as a supersonic anti ship missile.
The problem with this is Sim is that the US would layer the attack by mass firing the harpoon first and the fire the faster stealth missles so they would arrive at the same time. That would occupy the air defenses with conventional missiles, leaving a better chance for second barrage to land hits.
Well, DCS is not smart enough for that
I think the Chinese would do the same with their missiles.
We can agree we just wish the sim was smarter lol
@@denonbaChina couldn't do the same because they have no slow missiles. Only fast ones. They'd have to launch both the YJ-21 and the supersonic missiles at massively different times in order for them both to arrive at the same time. By the time the Supersonic missiles are close enough for China to launch the much faster Hypersonics, U.S. would already have been launching interceptors at the Supersonic missiles and blowing them up, and have plenty of time to reacquire target on the Hypersonic missiles. That's the issue with China's doctrine of having only "fast" and "faster" missiles. Syncing them up is much less effective.
Where as the U.S. has a much easier and effective time of timing their missile launches to arrive all at once.
@@ObiWanShinobi917 In that scenario the Chinese can direct the first salvo in a much parabolic trajectory and the second salvo in a more direct, with that scenario both salvo could arrive at the same time. Idk whether it will be more lethal or not
New map just dropped
If they really need ammo they can always pullup to 25m with eachother and use the chaff countermeasures against eachother
Id love to see the German F126 class frigate in one of these videos considering as a frigate it has more displacement than any of the American ships here and is not much smaller than the Type055
Galleon mode might end up a reality as ships nowadays are so focused on missile defense they might have to end up broadsiding each other to win after using all their anit air/ship missiles.
Those tomahawks actually helped catch up the total cost quite a bit. Cheap missiles versus expensive interceptors.
I've asked for this before but can we please get a detailed explanation of why you can't make changes to the fire rate for ships? You all continue to add so many cool features I just want to know why this one is out of reach and if that will ever change. Thanks!
Hard to explain in chat but these ships are all freely available, download them and try for your self and you'll see the problem. We have VERY little control.
Can DCS simulate laser weapons on ships like the USN is developing and testing on their ships?
Can you tell CH to try to create the Zircon missiles is game?
next indian navy vs PLAN navy.
That wouldn't be a fight, but a downright slaughter
SM6 wasn't used as antiship?
Still hoping for CH to add a Zumwalt with its planned hypersonic missile upgrade. It's a... problematic ship, yes, but I love it.
I'm not sure problematic is the word really, although I think I understand what you mean. It's not ideal, but that's because it was discontinued so they didn't really go on to fully develop it into what it could have been.
The hypersonic missile upgrade is exciting and breathes some purpose into the three ships that we have. Now, they can likely find a niche in the modern fleet, perhaps serving as dedicated anti-ship and anti-ground strike ships. I think they should basically just be loaded up with Tomahawks and anti-ship missiles into all of the VLS cells and then attach one to a CSG or destroyer/USV strike group. It's unfortunate though, that they won't really add much unique capability to any specific group of ships once the DDG(x) is built with their own hypersonic missile cells, and their specific capabilities don't allow them to really serve on their own, even if they had all three deployed together.
I hope they work on the LCS a bit, and perhaps they can salvage those to give them a specific purpose. Otherwise, the best bet for them is probably forming a trade blockade in the SE Asian waters if China were to start a conflict. Not a blockade around China/Taiwan, but within the trade passages off the coast of Singapore, Malaysia, and the Philippines.
Maybe they are also a good candidate to be the flagship and escort a whole bunch of USV ships, hosting a crew trained to manage, repair, and service the USVs?
@@jamison884 Agreed - I think the Zumwalt and the LCSs both are still in their infancy, and to cast them off as failures now is a bit short-sighted. Imagine if we had given up on the F-35 so quickly.
It would be really neat since the u.Yes.Does fire so many extra defense layers just Per unit.That's inbound if they can somehow another lock on to a target. Let's say a ship once it passes the incoming projectile or if it was locked on to a projectile and that projectile was desthored it would shoot beyond range inch to the target that shot at
17:40 can watch this shit all day.
How about US Navy LCS vs Houthis?
I've been struggling trying to get CurrentHill ships to attack enemy ships or land target. Vanilla ships can do them decently but the CurrentHill boats only want to do SAM work. Either way this stuff are awesome still and Im wondering if you can make an op in attacking land base anti-ship missiles from US side. So we can see some of those Tomahawks in action too?
most unrealistic part was having two Ticonderogas out of drydock at once lmao
Would the Navy also use the term "Winchester" when appropriate?
they need to make a high-speed torpedo that surfaces and launches an anti-ship missile from underwater after closing the distance underwater . =) A hundred little SSGNs at your disposal!
I think india has the opposite irl
I don’t understand what the benefit of such a contraption would be in comparison to a regular heavy torpedo. It could get detected by sonars anyway, especially because it would be comparatively loud since it’s supposed to achieve a high speed, so why not avoid dealing with radars by remaining submerged?
@@MaxIsStrange1 once it gets within SAM range it deploys a torpedo for the rest of the way. Then instead of SAMs and CWIS there’s just sonar countermeasures
@@jayp.8360 I was replying to the original comment.
@@MaxIsStrange1 Make it in the game just for fun, a concept demonstration just to have a little fun with the thing.
The ford escort cosworth was peak.
+1
For some reason, I don't like seeing allies or americans die in dcs. My grandpa flew B-17s and B-24s so seeing those getting ripped apart is kind of sad. I have his CPT PILOT RATING BOOK and it shows exactly how he was graded by his instructors. He missed the fighting during ww2 and went to multiple schools. He helped train the guys who did the Doolittle operation though. I wish i could talk to him now because I wrote a bio on him in like 2nd grade in 93 and he talks about training guys for the Doolittle operation. Prett crazy.
Would you be able to do a war game to see if ah-64 apaches could have helped with the battle of castle itter
OK
Regarding "getting smashed by their own CIWS", one of the ships I served on managed to shoot itself with its own main gun.
Mind you, this was AFTER I had transferred off.
*ahem" .... Go, Mighty J!
Good Lord...
@@grimreapers .....aaaaand, I found pictures.
@@grimreapers ....same one that shot the Missouri with its CIWS. More of a danger to our own fleet, really. Only one with more friendly fire is Dark.
@@eacheswhich ship was it? If you’re allowed to tell
Would it be possible to see if the US fleet can defend against one 055, but the 055 has full YJ18/21 loadout?
Could you make a video with the French navy FREMM or FDA (chevalier paul) ? 🇫🇷🇫🇷
Reapers - thanks for having fun for us! Don't worry about haters, please :)
What a shame there are no Iowas available for that end fight
If this is true to life then the side who can reload the quickest will win the battle.
The US navy is really in need of also having Hypersonic missiles; in all these ship battles the Americans are always 'defending' and their own anti-ship missiles seldom hit something. Maybe equip the US vessels with the "Long-Range Hypersonic Weapon" (just searched for "American Hypersonic Missiles"), those can reach mach 17, I even wonder if the Chinese would have a defense against that.
sea skimming sub sonic missiles are not as detectable as higher faster missiles, the falklands showed you only have 4-5secs to respond to a sub sonic sea skimming missile. The sims are good but they tend to follow the developers politics. Americans like to have thier awacs flying high to help detect sea skimming missiles over the horizon, hyper sonics and the like need to fly higher so are detectable a bit earlier. Its all good fun though.
Why no NSM on the US frigate?
Would be nice if the SM-6 was modeled to attack ships. Lol go up and come straight back down at mach3 or higher
Cool video, obviously a simulation can only account for so much so as whatever non classified public data is available. Some things that can’t be factored in which would make significant real world impacts are the largely superior training and experience levels of US crews and the US in operating blue water navy operations in general. Plus the superiority of US systems such as Radars, and ECM which on its own would render most of these Chinese missiles useless. Most people would be amazed how advanced and capable these systems are, especially the latest block being fitted to the Burkes.
Hey Cap, how about the Type 26 vs the Constellation class? :D
Next week.
scenario: If you had an Iowa class BB fire its 16" shell at long range towards a modern escort vessel will it track and shoot down the artillery shell?
Just for those wondering
America has a total of 497 defensive missiles and 80 Offensive Anti-Ship missiles
CH, the guy how knows things. 🤓
Drawing on the Ukraine v Russia experience, I wonder what is going on regarding offensive underwater drones? I imagine some kind of loitering, semi-autonomous or guided subsurface munitions would be an attractive alternative considering the sheer cost of near-zero success missiles and robots. Imagine a weapon remaining dormant until a target vessel is passing overhead on the surface then launching straight up from the sea bed with enough payload to breach the hulls from the deep! Does anyone know if this type of munition exists?
Someone needs to fix how SM-3 works in this game
And with that you get egg roll
Couldn't SM-6 anti ship?
hey cap, what if you take the line up at the end there, and replace the American ships with Chinese ships? i bet that would look real pretty. another idea is to replace the American ships with Iowa and Nevada class battleships. They would have the technological edge, but we'd have the durability and strength.
Death, taxes, and Dark shooting at blues.
Yarp
Before I go any further, I just want to point out that Ticonderoga is a CG, not CCG
thx
Rematch but give the US ships the LRASM for a 2030 battle.
So… Kola Peninsula map??
Black Sea
I think after the Iran strike on Israel we can say this way of using missle swarms is completely unrealistic.
I'll also suggest the DDG(X) to be included in the video.
Also I'd like to suggest the exploration of a hypothetical naval battle where one side either uses a single Ticonderoga/Kirov battle cruiser/Type055/Sejong the great class and the attacking side uses a bunch of corvettes or fast attack craft
Does anyone know if it's actually realistic to have that many missles tracking in such close proximity without interfering electronically with each other?
No idea TBH.
Updating thin hulls for China?
Why?
@@luluapple1067 due to reports coming
@@VRG_HQ source “trust me bro” lol
Im assuming the Americans send salvos because they know how expensive the missles are and theyd rather not use them if they dont need to. They know already they dont need to send everything lol
How about a scenario doing old fashioned Atlantic convoy duty, but using modern weapons. A possible scenario is that Russia is invading Europe and the US needs to escort a convoy of various cargo ships such as container ships, oil tankers and LNG tankers. Russia uses subs, aircraft and surface ships to try to destroy the convoy.
did the Chinese cost score break, or are their ships just that cheap
More like US cost are so inflated the price tag no longer has much to do with actual cost. I read a repoert once that it would cost almost the same price to make an auxiliary vessel or a burke.
那是因为美国海军被船厂绑架了，一包螺丝🔩90000美元💵
I just used the prices from Wiki. I have to assume they are accurate.
There's game name:'Yiyin'🤔
I think in the last wargame, the American Frigates having such a large magazine of NSM's made a big difference. Without watching the video yet, I would say dedicating 8-12 SM-6's (total across the fleet) to anti-shipping would have an effect.
A Tico vs a 055? Chuckles, I'm in danger
wtf are we still making SubSonic missiles??
🇨🇳强
LOL
🤣🤣 Where do I go to unsub the channel? Also, does Patreon give refunds for services not rendered? Unless there are UK units on the board, it's 'MERICA for the win, period! 🤣🤣
Fun simulation to watch! Great job with the modeling CurrentHill! Video Valued by Valued Viewer - Fly Army 🚁
Bro u basically let them won so that on u
16:45 cruiser weight and cruiser firepower? the arleigh burkes weigh the same as a tico.
Designations hold next to no value these days. The reason ticos were classified as a cruiser was just to say the US navy had cruisers as well as russia. There's zero system between cruiser and destroyer. Unless you wanna count arleigh burkes as cruisers.
Well, it was a pretty fair fight overall.
@@grimreapers oh don't get me wrong, I am not implying that it is imbalanced and it should have been an arleigh burke instead of a tico. The main thing I have a grudge against is the fact 'cruiser' has absolutely no meaning anymore and I wish people would actually specify what a cruiser was.
It's on par with british towns/cities and what actually constitutes a city and a town. There's basically no system and people would like to say "it has a cathedral" but even that is inconsistent. I think the terms for "Corvette, Frigate, Destroyer, Cruiser" are so vague now that you have the new british frigates which are on par with destroyers in weight etc.
in another rant, you can argue that historically these classifications changed constantly and similarly had very little meaning. by the start of ww1, a destroyer was 800 tonnes. By the end of it they were more like 5000. The fact that they have only gone up by 3000/4000 in the US navy shows a very slow development process. Same for most nations. Realistically if we go by the same system, a cruiser started at around 2000 tonnes by ww1 and ended at something like 12000 tonnes by the end of ww2.
For reference the Slava was also 12000 tonnes. Kirov was 28000 (which is somewhat on par to ww2 battlecruisers)
Essentially what I am saying is that last real cruisers were probably the Slava and Virginia classes. And we really shouldn't consider the tico a cruiser (Because as I mentioned it was only called that so it didn't look like the russian fleet was stronger with more cruisers to the public eye)
CH could you create Seababy drones.
CAP could you see how western ships do against Ukraine tactics please?
Agreed
I wonder what chinas capabilities actually look like. Unlike russia ive gotten the impression that the chinese dont like to overexagerate. When russia shows a new weapon we might see 5 combat ready 40 years later, when China does it its generally already implemented on a quite large scale. This makes me think they might be quite the opposite of russia in that they underexagerate their capabilities.
We also see this in their number of nukes, is it really reasonable to believe that a country with ambitions to become the dominant superpower on earth and which is currently the only country which is seen as a realistic rival to the united states has that few nukes?
I think theyve got more going on and theyre waiting to show it until they want to act so they dont give any room to prepare hence making any opposition more hesitant. So instead of a paper tiger its a real tiger in a paper outfit i guess?
The end was very disappointing. You could have at least made it as a battle them approaching each other at range, but point blank is as dumb as I have ever seen.
Chinese stuff seams good on paper, but does it work?
Nobody knows and so does US equipment, fighting Houthi rebels or afghan goat herder =/= a peer adversary with similar capability. Everything is guess work at this point.
Point, but seams Nato antiaircraft systems are better
@@whiteshark450 At least the US navy fights, what does the PLAN do other than bully Filipino fishing boats?
@@Joshua-dt5vi Your being ignorant and stupid. The coast guard is not part of the PLAN. Second, that's like saying i can beat up a kindergarden kid and then telling the others "im fighting everyday"
@Joshua-dt5vi Who do you want the Chinese Navy to attack? They seem to be pursuing an active strategy, and the United States is aggressive everywhere in order to protect their existing core interests, which can only be defended by exporting force
TYPE-52D carries YJ-21
Darn it!!…3rd 😂
CH and Cap, GR et al. I can make you all famous. CH, I tried to reach out on your last post on your channel. I and the West in general need your help. I need to bring one of my ideas to life, which can defeat said country opposing in this video. Sorry, but these ships are toys. I make a challenge. 1 ship against 10 of those toys from the Eastern dragon. Everything needed is in DCS, with a snip here and there. I don't want to say everything here and now. I guess the world can know when they see it here. We need to get the attention of the military complex. Help me out here, and it will benefit you folks as well. I have asked for help from model makers and digital creators like Alex Hollings. Nobody seems to see me. These toys are hunting rifles. I am offering an M240B MG in comparison. Don't let this come to be, and it be said that you folks were too busy to be bothered.
The gallion fight with my monster could take all 5 by itself. You are a fellow geek, yeah? Like Star Trek? The movie, Nemesis? Think of the Scimitar. She is a predator.
The Chinese viewers (Me): Lol CCP be lying
BUUUUUUUT
China is superior in dogfighting for some reason (Probably due to that pesky 1130)
I've heard an admiral say that the Ticonderoga class Cruiser dose not have the capability to shoot down most modern anti ship missiles mainly due to their aging and obsolete radar, (And more importantly they are not in service)
The same for the Chinese 055 destroyer that uses cheap / obsolete radar technologies coupled with a lack of on board power supply that is at best 50% as effective as the CCP claim.
I'd like to see a simulation using best case and worst case capabilities of each side
We were using Tico CMP. This is a different beast to a normal Tico. More modern radar etc.
Why do you bother with America vs China videos when America always wins?
but, you literally just watched China win the battle?!... the mind boggles
China #1
First!
Its sad the US ships look like garbages even you dont like it...........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cap sounds like he still has TB. Hope he is ok.
Yes, it's a problem.
at first looking at the thumbnail I thought the left ships are usa’s, was like man the usa ships are so good looking then realised they are chinese ships..
这标题图片是什么意思，把军舰对应的国旗位置标反了，自己都看不过眼美国的军舰的晾衣杆了吗。。。
意淫强国，别太认真
fuuny reality.
TICON. is retiring and CONS. is going to delay.