Goku Vs Sora
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- It's time for another LEGENDARY CLASH! The two heroes of their respective worlds! Those who guard their worlds with a determination never before seen! Let's the discuss the battle of the savior of the Earth, vs the guardian of light! Goku vs Sora!
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People don’t think Sora could be stronger just because he doesn’t look as impressive as anime characters
Yeah, which is strange since Sora looks just like an anime character, but hey. It happens.
@@thatguywithapencil sora is highly underestimated just by pure looks alone, they don't realize he is one of the strongest fictional beings in existence
Seems people forgot the lesson from the Frieza Saga, if they look less intimidating, they're strong as hell!!
Sora underated. He was saving entire planets in the first game. Slaying both light/darkness/emtyness and nothingness in the 2nd game.
Dude Rewrote history in the third game and slayed all 13 xeahnorts at the same time, and the true xeahnort while in a completely different dimension while the true kingdom hearts was feeding xeahnort energy. Honestly sora is super busted and I think this fight would be bonkers.
Yeah, this battle is insane, and Sora is extremely strong, especially when he fights and defats the guy he was wielding the power of something that created a multiverse.
Lol I've always wanted to see these 2 fight thanks for making it happen!
Same here! Glad I could provide!
I didn’t know this was something I need. Great video
This was fun, and I really want to do more Goku based content. He's fun to talk about. And thank you!
You know I’ve been waiting for you to make this video, I knew this would come
It was inevitable.
What about the chances of Sora using Stopga or Graviga to stop or lure Goku into a trap? Just curious because sora has more than just elemental and healing magic.
The only reason I didn’t mention those was because I was using KH3 Sora only, not comp or 1. KH3 Sora doesn’t display those Magic’s in 3, but you’re right, that stuff makes it worse.
considering every sora ability he could use lethal frame
Im a huge KH fan and DBZ fan but in my opinion, i would say Sora beats goku high-extreme diff. Sora has so many incredible hax like many forms and spells that helps him a lot especially curaga. You could also argue that Goku has a good healing factor since he uses senzu beans but Sora can use curaga whenever his MP is full which would take around 35 seconds i think. With his forms, his speed increases so much, higher offense, and stuff like teleportation and finishing moves. But i feel like they wouldnt fight if they met they would just talk and stuff lol
I agree! I think Sora has the longevity, hax, and stats to compete, while in reality, these two would be great friends.
Well now with recent interviews with Nomura, you can get Sora to outer-high outerversal
yea if you were to put lore wise sora against goku he just one taps badly
Sora is Goated! Nice drawings too btw 🔑🔥💯
Sora is a BEAST! And thank you!
"We haven't seen sora come back from being cut in half" nah only ripped apart on a conceptual level and he was just chillin that's all
*Shhh...* We don't talk about that. For Goku's sake.
@@thatguywithapencil nah I feel you. Btw I just came up with a legitimate 6d Sora scaling if you wanna add me on discord
@@cobaltjay9862 keep it up bruh i love sora scaling
Lmao sora just solos, sora alone in his base form stands a good chance. Due to the fact he never changed forms canonically, altho we do know his forms are cannon
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This is quite an insane fight!! Goku might still get the victory because of so much more combat experience but I’m not completely sure. If not how much of a chance does Sora has against Xeno Goku?
Sora stands no chance against Xeno Goku, Xeno Goku slams.
@@thatguywithapencildisagree
Sora literally cannot die in one hit
That too!
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This is a solid lowball for Sora; it feels appropriate for him to fight a highballed Goku here.
As for why I can say this is lowballed, Sora as of KH3d had access to inner dimensions within Sleeping Worlds/hearts as well as the ability to deep dive into to a heart’s innermost Station of Awakening, that ability was shown capable of overwriting Kingdom Heart’s fate, so somewhere between complex multiversal and outerversal feats as of KH3. I often presume KH3d Sora onwards is hyperversal with the occasional outerversal feat (with great sacrifice)
Dimensions in KHs aren't Transcendental nor Spatial. Sora isn't Outer he's at best Infinite Multi. But he still beats Goku.
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you also forgot Second Chance that ensures Sora will always stay alive after sustaining massive damage meaning it is impossible for Sora to be one-shot or even a deadly combo.
That is true.
Hes been multiversal from the end of kingdom hearts 1 because Ansems being the universe eater was torn apart by sora like what 4 times, not to mention beating chrinebog, Xemnas, Heracles, Hades and all the other above universe level threats
people think that sora is weak because he doesn't look so strong, but he has some amazing feats and powers
by the way i don't think goku could finish him before he heals himself since he has "proteggicura" (i don't know the english name) wich allows him to not take damage when he heals
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i think you did fantastic on scaling the chracters but you missed a few points on goku and missing a few feats but i think you did great and i think the outcome is the same
That's my bad!
@@thatguywithapencil oh it’s all fine lol like I said you did good in goku but I do think you missed a few things but I do believe in the same outcome
You also forgot soras power of waking which allows reality manipulation, time manipulation via one of his shotlocks, and a lot more.
I left out the power of waking because its a power it appears that he cannot use on command, and the extreme effects of it seem based around circumstance. And I left out a lot of shot locks and unique Keyblade abilities and general abilities he has because I wanted to keep the video relatively concise and they wouldn't really be needed.
@@thatguywithapencil That's fair, sora doesn't really have control of it, it's a subconscious ability, DDD I believe told us that. But it's still a sort of final hack that he has.
@@thatguywithapencil except he did use it on command multiple times
@@thatguywithapencil so what I'm hearing is that you nerfed Sora
Can you please do tengen toppa vs goku?
Sure, once I finally read Tengan Toppa Gurren Lagan. All I know is that its super strong.
@@thatguywithapencil I won’t even call it super strong that thing is beyond strong
just realized how strong donald and goofy are in kh
They do go crazy.
Both these characters are fucking crazy. Goku is low complex multiversal to low outer depending on interpretation of guide books and promotional material and sora is multiversal to low outer depending on the concept of the heart in kingdom hearts. Also in the span of 2 years, Sora goes from like wall level to multiversal. That's fucking crazy
It was stated that the heartless had ripped his body to nothingness when they killed him, so yes the power of waking would work if he was cut in half
If he can come back from that being cut in half would NOT be enough to kill him if im honest
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Sora gotta be one of the most broken characters in all of fiction... i love it lol
Yo you know you can scale Sora directly to kingdom hearts as well not just Xehanort using the X-blade, he and Kairi (one of the weakest keyblade welders maybe scaling above axel only) defeated the darkness of Kingdom hearts in Re:Mind
You're right, I just typically scale to Xehanort because it's Xehanort's already insane power combined with the X-Blade, and the X-Blade is equal to Kingdom Hearts, so that combined power should reasonably be greater than just Kingdom Hearts.
@@thatguywithapencil yeah you're right but it also saves extra explanation because people have argued with me about Xehanort actively using kingdom heart's power in that fight
Personal Tip don't use the realm feat as even weaker characters like the supreme kai were moving in the void and they definitely don't have inaccessible speed, for the moving in a destroyed timeline he was in a machine based on moving through time, plus even trunks was in it well in base moving casually.
That doesn't really invalidate the feat though. And considering how many characters affect time, skip through it, or transcend it, inaccessible isn't that shocking. And using the anime rather than the manga, inaccessible is kinda lowballing for what could be done.
@@thatguywithapencil Sure characters can affect time but that doesn't account for much at the end of the day for speed to some extent. Transcending it though, i have heard of a feat like that yet that I'm aware off in the canon universe. As for skipping that's a technique and the ways its beaten is by overpowering it with raw strength or Ki, stated by Whis. And the Raalm? well humans are breathing in it, and the pillar in the center acts like a clock, so some weird stuff is going on in that realm either due to xeno or the grand priest adding special properties.
@@DarkTheLibrarianGoku literally went out of the machine to grab zeno lol. He was not stuck in the time machine
@@TheTwizteddoesn't matter anymore as Goku now has inaccessible speed feats with Grahnola being faster than Instant Teleportation stated by Goku and Vegeta agreeing
Soras above inaccessible speed "I forget the term" cause hebwent back in time
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As long as you tag me, sure.
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Can u please do naruto vs meliodas at there most powerful (in the manga)
Yeah, I can! In the future though, I'm waiting for Brouto to finish something so I can see.
@@thatguywithapencil I can get eos meliodas to multi-galaxy lvl debate me
I won't debate you, I'll hear you out. Go ahead!
@@sirwilliamofnir7435 Okay, I think that comes down to a translation issue, because here it doesn't use the word dimension.
mangadex.org/chapter/949768/7
There's that issue, and the fact that it's coming from someone who doesn't really understand dimensional tiers. It also wouldn't really be consistent, as even Ban doesn't back up what King says, as King's statement comes after Ban. You can use it as wank, but you'd have to make sure to have the right translation and make sure they don't question for more supporting evidence since there isn't any. So at best, a wank argument.
For inaccessible, that one doesn't work at all. One, that's the wiki, and we know the wiki can be wrong, so you'd need a manga based statement. Two, even if you had a manga statement, which I think would only be the seal release from Hendrickson, you'd need to prove the commandments were moving and fighting in that sealed off dimension. However, it appears they were in a magical drained stasis. It why none of them died or aged, and why they're even afraid of time stop, and have no idea about how much time passed. They weren't even lucid, so its unlikely they were fighting in there, so inaccessible does not work.
@@thatguywithapencil wtf but I thought I just deleted my comment
Yo I just acquired some new scaling of goku
Goku mui is on par with max power jiren who casually Defeated 3 ppl(goku, vegeta and android 16)in base just by powering up who are beyond ui goku's lvl who is way stronger than Anilaza who was stated to be able to destroy the top stage
And even destroying parts of the stage was more impressive than shaking the whole world of void to krillin
And even a fraction of the wov can tank universal attacks with absolutely no dmg
Multiply it by infinity and the wov should be at least multi-versal+
So max power mui goku should be easily complex multi-versal
Btw I got my info from this video
ua-cam.com/video/COTIP8CO990/v-deo.html
Interesting. If this is the key to 5D, the absence of time and space, then we could get character like Sora even stronger by scaling above endless realms that also lack time and space like the Realm Between and the Realm of Darkness.
Only real issues I have with that video is the confusion on how the World of Void directly scales to Zeno's higher dimensional space even though it's shown smaller than dimension and even arguably smaller than macrocosms of the regular universes, but I'm probably just confused, so I'll review on my own.
@@thatguywithapencil actually he said that the wov ISNT 5D due to being contained in a timeline in his db cosmology video
@@sirwilliamofnir7435 so goku still 4d
@@jotaroisbestboy7593o basically he scaled via zamasu and void how goku is able to surpass the boundaries of the 4D dimension and tap into the 5D dimension power
The real issue is that if you believe that begging stronger than someone make theme immune to other hax
I think that goku scaling is pretty much 5D like sora the differce is hax and goku(in my opinio) has more speed and striking strength the durability is pretty equal goku tanked zamasu blow that cut trow dimension space and time(so reality)
I think that with this that a solid argument of goku winning
But if you take janemba movie as canon than goku as much higer winning changes
*Spoilers* I feel like manga gokus scaling is about to drastically change bc of meerus dieing and us about to learn more about the angel realm which doesent seem to be in the regular db macrocosm from what we seen, it could be higher dimesional we still know so little about the angels yet there still much stronger than we thought and even now for example goku's weird new techique makes his defense almost inpenetrable to people on his level and even his offense increased bc he can still attatck in it and if this is a tequnique that goku gets bc he's in ultra instinct that means likely that there's many others we havent seen yet and earlier it mentioned that in mui the bodys durabilty increases as much as nesscary which is insane
That's the thing I wonder too. A new Realm in Dragon Ball leads to questions of what resides there and if there could be threats. And if we are to go off the fact that the strongest gods of destruction like Beerus and Belmod are surpassed by Jiren and Goku, the next tier would be angels and threats to them. Moro was a pseudo angel tier threat, so seeing actual angel level threats would be interesting.
@@thatguywithapencil does goku speed even matter when sora has the spell stop and reflect and Ik sora won but just wanna know
@@sky_onicholsyt9010 no it doesn't, sora has beaten MULTIPLE beings the creator of KH stated were "beyond time", nothing is stopping sora from just sealing the entire DB "world" (a world in KH includes all higher dimensional infinities and alternate multiverses) or just destroying it altogether.
You have to remember goku is multiverse level+ level to low COMPLEX multiverse level (Characters who can affect, create and/or destroy the entirety of spaces whose size corresponds to one to two higher levels of infinity greater than a standard universal model (Low universe structures, in plain English.) In terms of "dimensional" scale, this can be equated to 5 and 6-dimensional real coordinate spaces (R ^ 5 to R ^ 6))
making him 5D or 6D.
But sora would SHIT on that scale with him being outerverse level (Outerverse level: Characters who can significantly affect, create and/or destroy realms or states that fully transcend infinitely-layered hierarchies and/or dimensional levels on a conceptual or existential level, normally being portrayed as entirely external abstractions that lie outside of the applications of spatiotemporal dimensionality as a constant defined by physics on any level, even compared to infinite or uncountably infinite dimensions, usually by perceiving them as akin to fiction or something similarly insignificant.)
@@sky_onicholsyt9010there’s an issue there since goku can predict time skip, and jiren could move in hits stopped time attack. I don’t think time stopping attacks would catch him by surprise at this point
SORA IS INSANELY POWERFULL AND YOU DON’T WANT TO MESS WITH HIM!!!!! SORA FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HE'S JUST DIFFERENT!
Watch says the programmers videos about Goku he talks about multiverses all the time
Oh yeah, Goku is definitely multiversal at this point. I'm waiting for his next massive leap.
Sora can hit the outer ranges from what I've seen, the entire cosmology of KH is roughly 5D at minimum. Not to mention Xehanort himself transcending space and time, as well as sora being destroyed to a conceptual level and rewriting all of this back to what it was before. Sora also was capable of fighting against the X-Blade a blade made by higher dimensional beings. Not to mention other realities and multiple higher dimensions throughout all of KH that sora is above/can entirely rewrite/being above due to beating a blade/person wielding a blade that could reset ALL of the dimensions and concepts that reside in the Kingdom Hearts verse.
This is all true.
What is blud waffling about
@@nemi9217 cosmology and scaling
3:22
3:22 indeed.
@@thatguywithapencil i was debating someone on asta vs sora and i won
I'm rough on kh lore but isn't the X blade the key to open Kingdom hearts
And is it lesser haif And doesn't have as much power as Kingdom hearts
And Sora needed the help most of main characters to close it
Sora is still extremely powerful but as strong as kingdom hearts I don't know about that
The X blade gives the user complete access to the power of Kingdom Hearts, as it opens the door to it. By wielding the X Blade, Xehanort gained access to the full power of Kingdom Hearts, which he even managed to corrupt, and he was using against Sora, Donald, and Goofy. They all ate hits, they all damaged him back, it's balanced. You could even argue that since the X Blade and Kingdom hearts are counterparts, the X Blade to my knowledge never stated as its lesser half, by wielding both, Xehanort actually surpassed Kingdom Hearts, and Sora surpassed all that power.
And remember, Sora needed help to purify and seal Kingdom Hearts away, after Xehanort corrupted it. So, while it could be argued his pure light is not strong to purify a corrupted entity and seal it away with a new weapon he had just acquired, since he does have feats against Xehanort, I think its pretty solid for him to be able to scale to if not above Kingdom Hearts.
That Guy With A Pencil huh I could have sworn the X blade was kingdom hearts lesser haif
Maybe it's a false memories thing and xehanort defeat you could make a argument
That he could have kept fighting if eraqus didn't intervene but that comes down
To How someone interpret a scene
True, while they had knocked him down and the X Blade out of his hand, Xehanort technically never conceded and rose back up with some difficulty. Both sides seemed ready for another round, but Eraqus did appear, so it can be up to interpretation.
Can't Goku just use the hakai technique on him and erase him from existence?
I am using anime Goku, so he doesn't have access to Hakai, and Sora does resist existence erasure, so if I gave Goku the manga technique Sora could eat it.
Even if it was manga, then it only works on life energy.
Honestly even if you erase him from existence sora could come back and rewrite history like he did in the third game. Obviously thats plot armor and main character syndrom. But goku has that too. Soras plot armor is just alot stronger.
hakai can't "erase everything from existence" that is about durability
@@kyid3846 but vegeta destroyed a rock with hakai, and rocks don't have life energy
Cant sora just re-right reality and pause time?
He can do that too if he wants to.
Sora just has better feats and better speed feats
Sonic vs Sora?
I never even thought of that... Its time to cook.
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Sora stomps no question
Also a multiverse is around infinite universes
I would not call it a stomp, due to Goku's speed and Ultra Instinct at first he could pull a great game of hit and run on an unprepared Sora.
There are different levels of multiversal, ranging from low to complex, so it's not always an infinite multiverse.
I call it a stomp bc sora fought someone who transcends time while zeno who transcends is limited by time and space
Xehanort didn't transcend time, there are multiple versions of him across it. He can't even move through time without sacrificing his body. He is able to manipulate it though.
@@thatguywithapencil well শেঠ the programmer said that in his sora scaling video so I don't know
Well, no. Seth said hearts transcend time, which they do, not the characters.
I feel like Sora could easily win since even if Goku can clone himself Sora have delt with that in the past and if Goku goes into any of his forms Sora can always counter attack it with his formchanges which are very useful in its own way. Even if Goku can kill Sora he can rewrite the event with the power of waking since he did do that when he died in the Keyblade Graveyard so he remembers all of Goku's abilities so he can be more prepared.
Goku chances of winning are very low
21% Goku
79% Sora
I concur.
Sora solo the verse lmao
Possibly.
@@thatguywithapencil sora definitely can easily stomps everyone except xeno goku
@@jotaroisbestboy7593 he blink xeno fodder
Can you imagine like riku vs goku holy shi- riku is stronger then sora
I'm leaning for Riku vs Vegeta.
You made alot of Goku heads mad with this one.
I mean Sora can do most of the stuff he can alone
Goku needed to fight Beerus to " destroy the universe " and even then it took the both of them and he never did it again.
Goku is arguably at most Universal +
Soras info is a bit weirder to pinpoint but im sure beating the guy who wanted to reset your whole verse to 0 makes you multiversal + free
I concur.
Doesn't Goku stomp hard, and I am a massive Kingdom Hearts fan who agrees that Sora is Universal
No, actually kinda the opposite. Sora is superior to Xehanort wielding the X-Blade and Kingdom Heart's power, and Kingdom Hearts alone created two realms that contain countless time-sapces, which is far above Goku who is still multiplying off his base universal feat. And for speed, Sora should be relative if not superior, consider he scales well above base Inaccessible fodder Heartless, and while Goku does to, its to a lower degree.
@@thatguywithapencil Goku can go way higher than Universal in his stronger forms. MUI makes him Low Multiversal which is likely already above the X-Blade.
@@analternatemultiverse2063 the xblade which was going reset the realm of light with countless universes and going do the same too the realm of darkness which is just as big? I don’t think that form is beyond the xblade now.
Sora is great but he isn't a multiverse buster i used to think he was until HMK refuted my old arguments about it xD.
In each world time flows diferently, that is true but each world is the side of a small planet or a moon with some exceptions, it has never been stated thar the KH worlds are separate universes.
Sora is universal nothing more.
I think that counter argument is poor. Deep Space from BBS alone, which is implied to be separate from the Oceans Between by the fact that the Grand councilwoman oversees the "universe" implies that worlds are their own individual universes as she has no concept of other worlds, on top of them sharing their own unique time spaces, implies that worlds are their own universes. Not to mention the various "Earths" that appear across the series. Top this off with the fact that in our literal portrayal of how worlds function we never see the infinite suns that would have to appear nor do planets actually seem to be the limits in worlds beyond Deep Space. Characters like Zeus casually rearrange an entire star system that exists within specifically the bounds of Olympus, as his efforts have no impacts on the rest of the worlds in Kh2 which already debunks the ideas about worlds just being little planets.
Heck, even if you don’t like the concept of worlds being their own unique time spaces with their own universal bounds in spite of the evidence for such, the KH universe itself would already be at bare minimum a macrocosm with multiple infinite universe sized realms within it, the realm Of light being stated to hold countless worlds and the realm of darkness being at bare minimum it’s equal if not greater since it appeared in KH1 possible that the realm of darkness could consume the realm of light, and even more tangible concrete realms such as the realm of dreams and nothingness being clarified as their own sections of reality as well and Xehanort was going to destroy and reset all of that. Heck, if you want to go even deeper and realize that in DDD it’s confirmed people can go deeper into sleeping worlds and create infinite worlds within infinite worlds with the realm of sleep and universal Sora is a DRASTIC lowball.
I think arguing that "we don’t see bigger" is like arguing that since we don’t see the GOW characters perform higher than mountain level feats that then verse caps there. There is just some stuff that can’t be shown due to the nature of the medium. And Deep Space is a world stated as a separate universe from the greater Kh verse in game.
Honestly, this is me spitballing off the dome for the most part, and a much better explanation (With more evidence and implications for even higher levels than what I would commonly argue) is on VS Battle wiki, which I’ll link here. HMK is great, don’t get me wrong, but there is a MOUNTAIN of evidence refuting the idea that worlds are literally just planets or that the verse caps at uni.
vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Bobsican/KH_Cosmology_Overview#Ocean_Between
If you have a link to him debunking stuff like this though, I’d love to watch. The man is a great content creator and I’m sure he’d make it entertaining.
@@thatguywithapencil He debunked my multiversal argument it in one of his last twitch directs, the one celebrating Sora's 2nd aniversary in smash
He is not even that. Honestly I don't understand how so many people repeat the same missconceptions over and over, there is no way that people claim that Yen Sid's tower is as big as an universe just using an example
@@Dario-uj6qoDo you have any evidence disproving the already hard proof we have in the Stitch world?
@@mitchellmariacher254 I think the oposite should be asked, is there any evidence that his world is an universe? In bbs we only saw a ship, that's not a world. The forseeing the universe thing could be easily explained by that, they got the technology to travel to various worlds, when Terra Aqua and Ventus enter the ship, we don't see them entering a world, neither do they, that are just traveling the cosmic ocean and they encounter the ship by accident the same way that said ship was traveling across the space as them. Monstro in KH1 is a good example of what I am saying since it wasn't a world but a whale that could travel Space. Same with the place in bbs that acts as the coloseum and the multiplayer. Think about it, if it was a world as vast as an universe, wouldn't be very coincidental that the three of them got into the same ship being that they could end up in any planet? If it was as vast as an universe then why Ventus after being knoked down just by Sticht ship appeared in front of the Coliseum? If it as vast as an universe how did Sticht get to other worlds after what happend (Radiant Garden in kh2 per example)?. And finally it is the story reason as why there are worlds, at the beggining it was all a single world united by land until it fell to darkness (X era) and the surviving pieces of it that got shattered became worlds, that's why they are separated in the cosmic ocean and as described they are like little islands in said cósmic space so they are in the same plane of existance/universe (the realm of light/realm in between), they can even be seen from each world as if they were stars. Also it was also stated that before the heartless invasion worlds were separated just be walls, so they were again in the same plane and now they can be acessed just by cosmic travel
I think the power of waking could work, due to the fact that when sora died, he was absolutely obliterated. Nothing was left of him. The fact that his body still exist if Goku were to cut it raises his chances really. Not like it matters because sora also possesses the power to time travel once he enters the state of the power of waking and being in the final world. If Donald were to teach sora zetta-flare, I'm pretty sure sora could possibly surpass Goku, knowing that Sora is capable of learning these kind of abilities. And this is the same guy who has only had the key blade for two years(including kh4, altho by then sora should be even stronger). And sora canonically wields the kingdom key, one of the weaker keyblades, although sora does have the power of the X-blade now, so who even knows how strong he could rly be with that. Just saying, sora does stand a chance, and possibly a victory against Goku. This is also excluding the fact sora can use stopga lmao
That is true, the power of waking is crazy busted. And yeah, with all his hax, possibly the X-Blade, and his scaling to Xehanort, he'd run Goku's pockets.
Kingdom Hearts is my favorite game series, for a good reason. The emotional narrative and great plot. On the other hand, Dragonball seems a bit too repetitive and boring for my liking. However, I have to disagree with this video. Goku would win a number of fights due to his strength and durability alone. There are barely any reason as to why or drawbacks to Goku's power. Sora does have drawbacks, which is once again better character writing by giving him more flaws. Sora's rewrite of time was using the power of waking incorrectly, which breaks a taboo of nature and punishes him for it. Using it this way will cause him to vanish, dim, and fade (just like master of masters). Also, the kingdom hearts universe states that time can not be changed, you may travel forward and backwards but may not actually change the events themselves. Otherwise, the book of prophecies is completely useless. The reason time did change was because of lingering will, who was in the final world - a world existing outside of time. Assuming Goku doesn't lower his ki to make himself weaker, and that they are fighting seriously, I doubt Sora would win. Magic would do pretty much nothing. Stop would probably do something, but Goku was still able to beat Hit, so... yeah. I will admit Sora is faster than Goku though. The arguement that Sora beat Xehanort is irrelevant. Sure, Xehanort could control, destroy, and change the Kingdom Hearts universe because of the X-Blade, but that was more of an ability due to Kingdom Hearts itself, not affecting physical strength itself. Sora is of course strong, but in no way is he able to stand up to Goku. Sora wasn't meant to be overpowered, and he struggles with fights and the things going on in the world around him. He breaks down, dies, and even eventually gets himself sent to Quadratum. I love Kingdom Hearts and despise Dragonball, but it is because of Dragonball's ridiculous writing that makes Goku such a stupid opponent. Sora would lose to Goku because Sora has a 'lower power level'. Besides that, I've just started watching your channel and I've found your content to be most interesting! Keep up the good work.
First, thank you for commenting.
Now, while I do agree that Sora struggles, you must remember Xehanort wasn't just using Kingdom Hearts as a vessel or ability to destroy their multiverse and recreate it, he was directly wielding its power and the X-Blade in an effort to defeat Sora. If he didn't fight with either of them, I would agree you, he wasn't using them. However, we see him use three different levels of power. He tried fighting Sora without the X-Blade or Kingdom hearts, simply using No Name. And he failed. He then summoned the X-Blade, the equal counterpart to Kingdom Hearts, to try and defeat Sora. He fails again. Then he summons Kingdom Hearts on top of the X-Blade. He still fails. He doesn't summon these powerful artifacts and gain and ton of new powers and abilities simply for the look of it. He is using their power. That means the power of Kingdom Hearts that created a verse with countless universal time-spaces contained within it in just one of its three known realms (Four if you want to count Quadratum's "fictional" realm, but we don't have a direct verdict on that yet), with at least the Realm of Darkness equaling the Realm of Light in size, and Kingdom Hearts' equal in the X-Blade, when combined with Xehanort's own power, him being one of the strongest characters in the verse even before the X-Blade amp, couldn't not defeat Sora. Sora out powered all that might. That's Sora's best feat, saying its irrelevant despite everything we see does not really make sense.
While Goku was destroying a macrocosm, with around three universes in Universe 7, and gets arguably hundreds if not thousands of times stronger just in base from the initial feat and that have transformations that multiply his power thousands of times, he would have to leap to entirely different dimension to even hope to compete with someone like Sora. Sora is even confirmed to be part of a higher dimensional clash to form the X-Blade in the first place, implying he himself is a higher dimensional being, and then he surpassed that same X-Blade whose power was being funneled alongside Kingdom Hearts.
In terms of power, I describe it like this. Sora is beyond counting how many universes he can destroy. Goku needs to keep multiplying his finite amount until he gets some new transformation that puts him beyond his current level.
I don't disagree with your KH lore analysis, you're right about Sora's weakness with using the power of waking incorrectly, but while I don't think Sora will even have to resort to that. If he does, Goku has no counter to that and Sora would fade a long while after the battle is concluded, if he even does. Sora only faded away because he abused the power of waking multiple times, a one time use to rewrite the destiny of one person should not instantly off him.
Thank you, welcome to the channel! I plan to talk more Kingdom Hearts in the future, but we're in a long drought for new information at the moment. I have ideas I want to discuss, but I'm researching them right now, so it may be awhile.
@@thatguywithapencil Hm. When Kingdom Hearts is summoned it isn't shown as the corrupted Kingdom Hearts. This leads me to believe it might be the rest of the group trying to seal it away. Plus I still do not think Kingdom Hearts is raw power, for when he summons it he uses it's power to steal away Sora's light. While bending and controlling Scala ad Calium was impressive, we have not seen feats of planets being destroyed by a single person's power yet, and when planets are destroyed it's due to heartless taking over the heart of the world - the keyholes. Sora being this insanely strong doesn't line up with the rest of his feats really, which is why I have a hard time believing it. However, you could also argue the power of Kingdom Hearts was weakened due to the rest of the group trying to uncorrupt it. I suppose it all depends on how you look at it, and I'm sure we'll get plenty of more information in KH4. As for higher dimensional beings, Goku fights gods all the time. Higher dimensional beings isn't a good way to scale Sora to characters outside his series. Higher dimensional means a being beyond our own dimension, and knowing Kingdom Hearts this could be as simple as Sora has a powerful light that is greater than any human should have, or it could really mean godlike powers. Again, I think KH4 will really give us more information. Even if Sora loses his powers again - like he does in almost every game - by the end he'll more than likely end up even stronger. Thanks for the reply, it's really got me thinking about the possibilities.
@@jacethemagegaming too be honest goku never really handle magic like Sora. I mean I never seen goku handle something like be small,blind,slow,confused,sleep. When seen him poison by frost but he did not handle that well because he got sent out of super. Also hits time stop is skipping not stopping. That’s why it only last for 1.5 seconds when sora’s time stop last longer. Also power lvls too me personal are only a big deal in there respective universes. I mean look at seven deadly sins. They were doing crazy feats that were beyond dragon ball z but had low lvls. Too me I still say Sora because Sora and goku are honestly a lot more alike then most people think. I mean yea there no destroying of worlds but in the bbs reports it was said by xheanort he was going reset everything. Plus most universes don’t show word busting feats but most of them would sweep kingdom hearts and dbs with out does feats.
@@javarispeight1237 I was speaking of the magic Sora has. Sora hasn't used small, blind, slow, confused, or sleep. All of those are KHBBS spells. He may have used them in DDD (I can't remember if he did or not. To be honest, that was my least favorite game because 2/3 of the story sucked) but he forgot those and resorted back to his regular spells in KH3. As for stop, that's why I said it might do something to Goku. But then again, we don't know. If Nomura or Toriyama had access to both characters, then we'd learn if magic conflicts with ki, or if Sora's stop spell doesn't work on stronger foes, etc.
@@jacethemagegaming thats only by game mechanic. In bbs Sora has use those spells. Pulse time stop did work on xenmans and ansme at once. It didn’t work on young xheanort because his above the rules of time. Plus I chalk Sora up with all his spells like I do for Dante and others in gameing. I mean they lose these things in the story yes but that’s only so you don’t be so op at the start of a new one. Kratos shows us that. But if it’s someone like link no because his story changes every game except botw.
Well Goku wins for this true fight
I disagree.
But could sora take vegito/gogeta? Cause you have to be open to the possibility that Goku has potara in his back pocket as a last resort. It could be stated that potara fusion/fusion dance is an ability Goku has. I believe it would be fair to Include the possibility of gogeta/vegito.
I still think sora wins but it would be so fire. 😂💪
I think he could take regular Vegito and Gogeta, as they have flat multipliers, but there are variations of them and Goku that would slam Sora.
@@thatguywithapencilsorry but , during the tournament of power toriyama release an official scan that describe the power of the god of destruction beyond space time ,and goku should be stronger ,,than we have zamasu than begin a timeline and transcend space time(statement in the title page for the anime episode)than we have all the statement of an higher dimension heaven and for speed in the recent manga goku speed is faster than someone that is faster than istant transmission
I think maybe this would change thing
Lmao as much as I love KH, the face that this video even exist is ludicrous. EVERYONE wants every character to be stronger than goku...🤦🏾♂️...the “worlds” that Sora travels to are DISNEY MOVIES. This is fucking ridiculous. Put Goku on the game as a boss, play it on critical mode and see what happens...you wouldn’t even see Goku move. You’d just die. Curaga only works if sora survives the blow...sora gets one shotted by random enemies throughout the game on critical...fuck outta here.
So many holes in this...once sora cures himself, his MP is depleted, and takes forever to recharge. He’s dying before he can get it back against Goku...unless you have items...and if you do...you suck at the game
Even still, If we’re worried about curing and keeping the fight going, then clearly Goku can just use the BEANS...which not only cure him, but will give him ZEN KAi boosts. Sora’s cure doesn’t make him stronger...this just doesn’t make sense bro.
Too be honest you are useing game mechanics too decided a vs that don’t go by that. Saying things like critical mode and other things is not what decides this match but feats. I mean that’s like going by the rules of dragon ball xeno..I mean there are true good reasons why Sora wins...but reasons such as game mechanics don’t hold well for another person or a person winning because it’s only for the game.
@@CDT31193 unless you were saying he said game mechanics was the reason why Sora wins...if so again better reasons why Sora beats goku but not like I said game mechanics because again that’s for the game’s purpose.
Okay... Disprove the scaling...
Goku win against someone sora