Refreshing to hear someone talk about their limitations rather than portraying themselves as some kind of editing guru, it's a good way to point out the benefits of a piece of software.
The Apple bias has ticked me off for a while. As I watch this and before you mentioned it I went to sync my just updated keyboard shortcuts to the cloud. Saw I needed All In One and said out loud why the !@#$ would I pay for that as an Android user. I wish the cloud sync was just included in the higher price we already pay over the competition. Or just give us the tools to put put those files on one of Dropbox/Google Drive/Onedrive/Apple whatever.
Great video thanks. I've spent time since the 16.5 update just playing with the Match Look tool, and like others have had mixed results. What it is great for is clients who bring a photo with them and say "I want that look" and also for when my associate and I do weddings or brand shoots and we can get consistency across both our sets of photos very easily. I have also found it to be useful for creativity too, with some unexpected results. When coupled with the new People selection and styles it will be very useful indeed too high volume photography. Thanks for the video!
I see the potential in Match Look to experiment with different looks that I may not be able to arrive at manually. It will be able to get us quickly to a very different starting point and branch of into territories that we haven’t though of before? Great fun!
I agree with your frustration that more users can't have access to syncing settings between different Capture One installations. I fear that Capture One is using this to try to force users to their most expensive subscription packages and perpetual license or entry level subscription users will start losing out on more and more new features. They're perhaps trying to push the average revenue per customer higher (which has already been a steady increase over the past 3 years with the loss of camera-specific versions, then loss of perpetual upgrades, then introduction of higher priced bundles, now new features that would be useful to all users only appearing in the highest priced options). I also agree with your comments about Windows users being second class citizens. For starters, we have no scripting option and it seems like bugs are slow to get fixed on Windows.
Funny that you mentioned DaVinci, since I'm exploring using it to color grade my photos. I often use 3D LUT Creator to color grade when I have the time and that's close to what DaVinci does. Clever to think of using Match Look in a similar way.
@6:51 -- Agree. However, I suspect that these features require a subscription because they depend on server functionality. You cannot promise to honor a life-time license unless you can support that server functionality for a lifetime. Subscription on the other hand, when the server dies, it sucks but, you just stop paying.
@@StudioBuilder Ahh, you're right. That's a good point and an oversight on their part. I suspect "Pro" was designed for Lifetime License and they offered a subscription as an after-thought.
@@aarontharris given that the all in one is really for the apple ecosystem, they could just use iCloud to sync settings, like for the content credential feature their “we need to offsets cost” seems just to be just a cheap way to squeeze more money, plus I would be surprised if users would use these cloud functionality so much to justify a 30% cost increment on users. I got rather pissed at Capture One policies really, so much that I wanted to cancel my subscription.
I really wish Match Look worked for me, but I didn't get good results testing it out, possibly because I balance using the colour wheels instead of temp/tint
Match Look works on the Color Balance wheels, as well. Keep in mind that it's not a magic bullet. It's going to take time and experience to figure out how to make it work for you and your photography.
I agree with the Android frustration! I use Android phones as well, and as much as I love Capture One, this issue really bugs me. I understand that they have to decide where to invest, but it would be nice to at least see a roadmap of when we can expect Android support for things like Capture One Mobile. I'm also a software developer and have built native and cross-platform apps on iOS, Android, Windows, MacOS, and Linux, so I know it's not a trivial task.
but you can sync your settings just by copying the right files. I do this even between mac and pc Btw match look works much better if you use more than one picture, maybe person standing, sitting, side view etc with one look and then apply it. I just had a photo assignment for a magazine where I mixed studio and daylight. The room was very bright and had many windows, but the light outside was very changeable. The new Match Look really helped me to adapt to these constant changes in ambient light and therefore also color temperature.
3:40 - But my guess is that most users of CO uses iPhone and not android. I think the programmers at CO have statistics what the users operate system is.
Great content here, subbed! I like the evolution of the match look. I suggested to C1 to make it easier to match the look of photos several years ago. To see it now is just fantastic! I can drift a bit photos to photos color wise, it IS difficult to be very precise in colors. Also between shoots (on location) it’s almost impossible but this makes more coherent and much faster. I think it might be better not to use all of the settings to come closer between photos. I use Davinci Resolve as well, these two programs match very well though I think Resolve is a bit more competent than C1. CST is incredible tool!! Cloud features are more expensive as companies have to hire each other so I understand that All In One is more expensive and cloud features would be in that tier. After all expenses for c1 and PS are relatively very small compared to equipment and other services like bookkeeping programs. Question; have you noticed when doing round trips to PS and back to C1 in PSD files the metadata entered in C1 imports gets lost in that round trip?
One question… the new ‘match look’ feature, is it meant for TTL users..? I know a lot of photographers now use TTL in the studio and it gives ‘slightly’ different results from shot to shot (I’m not criticising here). Us old geezers shoot lights manually in a studio so every shot (hopefully) is exposed the same, unless the model moves way off the mark. So ‘Match Look’ isn’t needed but I can see its use when TTL is used in a studio… Just asking a question and trying to bridge the generation/technology gap😊
I do not know of a single photographer who uses TTL in the studio. In gact, I do not know of a single photographer who uses flash heads in a studio. We use strobes and, more commonly, LEDs.
@@StudioBuilder that's interesting, personally its always been Profoto packs and 7B-s/B2/B3Air on location, that was in both NYC and London, but I'm old and I see a LOT of new kids using Profoto monoblocs in TTL mode IN A STUDIO.. (crazy I know), the only time in recent yrs I used a godox AD200 in TTL was because the models were running down a beach (it worked flawlessly). But going back to the main point about matching a look or getting close I can see 'the kids' using this as well as wedding shooters with 2k images to edit... hence C1 going down the 'speed up the mass edit route in recent yrs
I use A Samsung tab user so the stuff about iPads and stuff is just noise. More to the point I was offered all-in-one for free last year, and I took it. This year I could find NO option to subscribe for Pro only. I realized now that I way over paid for C1 and that pisses me off. As for the ability to store settings to the cloud and then to download them Capture One is explaining that this costs money and users have to foot the bill. I would be just as happy if those settings were just easily downloaded to a USB drive, and then uploaded the same way. I'm not sure if it would take any longer. But what REALLY pisses me off is that AIO users (me) get faster problem response from C1. The idea that Pro users are second class citizens makes me crazy. As for the Studio, I figure that maybe 50 people in Canada would actually need that, and they all live in Toronto or Vancouver.
You could have shown us how good the hair masking is (especially as it didn't look very good from what I could see). Unless it can mask hair extremely well I could not see me using it.
Match look sort of gets you in the ballpark but it's far from accurate. Would love to see you take that starting point and actually match it next time! thanks for the video :)
@ because it implies you can take a color grade reference image you like and it will match it. It doesnt even come close to it in most cases. If i have a processed photo why would i need match look to begin with? I could just apply my own across the other images with the apply tool
To me the color match tool is a total miss. They will probably fixed it in 2-3 years. People masking is really precise, with a bit of luck they will bring the same precision to the subject/background masking next year. They should also add teeth and iris masking for the people masking.
Everywhere I have not seen the actual test that should be done. Check if colors are accurate and check ratios and weights against blank squares. So I honestly don’t believe this color matching iteration is ready for prime time. Haven’t been able to try it myself as I and many others have been unable to use this newest version due to it being buggy. Can’t even open c1 when upgrading to this version.
I haven't seen any reports to what you're claiming about bugs or Match Look not working well. I'm already using it in my work and back catalogue on a daily basis with no problems. I think some people want it to be magic, but you also have to remember that as good as it already is, it's only going to get better and better.
Been using version 16.5 without issue. Remember Match Look works very well for the overall look and feel. It's not supposed to create an exact colour by number match.
Love your clear and honest C1 videos. Keep going. And I agree with your observations even as Apple only user.
Refreshing to hear someone talk about their limitations rather than portraying themselves as some kind of editing guru, it's a good way to point out the benefits of a piece of software.
I have so many limitations.
The Apple bias has ticked me off for a while. As I watch this and before you mentioned it I went to sync my just updated keyboard shortcuts to the cloud. Saw I needed All In One and said out loud why the !@#$ would I pay for that as an Android user. I wish the cloud sync was just included in the higher price we already pay over the competition. Or just give us the tools to put put those files on one of Dropbox/Google Drive/Onedrive/Apple whatever.
Great video thanks. I've spent time since the 16.5 update just playing with the Match Look tool, and like others have had mixed results. What it is great for is clients who bring a photo with them and say "I want that look" and also for when my associate and I do weddings or brand shoots and we can get consistency across both our sets of photos very easily. I have also found it to be useful for creativity too, with some unexpected results. When coupled with the new People selection and styles it will be very useful indeed too high volume photography. Thanks for the video!
Love you vids! I think you mean on your picon’s text overlay “This Changes Everything”
I do mean "THIS CHANGE is everything." I like the play on words.
I really enjoy watching this video and also learn something new, thank you for your honest opinion
100% agree re. Capture One's Apple bias. Not many people are vocal about it. Thanks for doing this.
Capture one is bringing out amazing updates now! I am impressed with the "match look" addition!
I see the potential in Match Look to experiment with different looks that I may not be able to arrive at manually. It will be able to get us quickly to a very different starting point and branch of into territories that we haven’t though of before? Great fun!
I agree with your frustration that more users can't have access to syncing settings between different Capture One installations. I fear that Capture One is using this to try to force users to their most expensive subscription packages and perpetual license or entry level subscription users will start losing out on more and more new features. They're perhaps trying to push the average revenue per customer higher (which has already been a steady increase over the past 3 years with the loss of camera-specific versions, then loss of perpetual upgrades, then introduction of higher priced bundles, now new features that would be useful to all users only appearing in the highest priced options). I also agree with your comments about Windows users being second class citizens. For starters, we have no scripting option and it seems like bugs are slow to get fixed on Windows.
Thanks for the clarity you bring to this C1 update, I will buy the upgrade but not the overpriced studio version. Big thx..!!
Funny that you mentioned DaVinci, since I'm exploring using it to color grade my photos. I often use 3D LUT Creator to color grade when I have the time and that's close to what DaVinci does. Clever to think of using Match Look in a similar way.
@6:51 -- Agree. However, I suspect that these features require a subscription because they depend on server functionality. You cannot promise to honor a life-time license unless you can support that server functionality for a lifetime. Subscription on the other hand, when the server dies, it sucks but, you just stop paying.
Sure, but there's a subscription for the Pro plan. I've been using it for years.
@@StudioBuilder Ahh, you're right. That's a good point and an oversight on their part. I suspect "Pro" was designed for Lifetime License and they offered a subscription as an after-thought.
@@aarontharris given that the all in one is really for the apple ecosystem, they could just use iCloud to sync settings, like for the content credential feature their “we need to offsets cost” seems just to be just a cheap way to squeeze more money, plus I would be surprised if users would use these cloud functionality so much to justify a 30% cost increment on users. I got rather pissed at Capture One policies really, so much that I wanted to cancel my subscription.
I really wish Match Look worked for me, but I didn't get good results testing it out, possibly because I balance using the colour wheels instead of temp/tint
Match Look works on the Color Balance wheels, as well. Keep in mind that it's not a magic bullet. It's going to take time and experience to figure out how to make it work for you and your photography.
@StudioBuilder they do, but in my testing it mainly seemed to be relying on temp/tint and wasn't touching the colour balance
I agree with the Android frustration! I use Android phones as well, and as much as I love Capture One, this issue really bugs me. I understand that they have to decide where to invest, but it would be nice to at least see a roadmap of when we can expect Android support for things like Capture One Mobile. I'm also a software developer and have built native and cross-platform apps on iOS, Android, Windows, MacOS, and Linux, so I know it's not a trivial task.
but you can sync your settings just by copying the right files. I do this even between mac and pc
Btw match look works much better if you use more than one picture, maybe person standing, sitting, side view etc with one look and then apply it.
I just had a photo assignment for a magazine where I mixed studio and daylight. The room was very bright and had many windows, but the light outside was very changeable. The new Match Look really helped me to adapt to these constant changes in ambient light and therefore also color temperature.
3:40 - But my guess is that most users of CO uses iPhone and not android. I think the programmers at CO have statistics what the users operate system is.
That's just a guess, though. Based on what? Just a feeling?
I think I need to do some new shoots in order to test out some of these masking tools
Great content here, subbed!
I like the evolution of the match look. I suggested to C1 to make it easier to match the look of photos several years ago. To see it now is just fantastic!
I can drift a bit photos to photos color wise, it IS difficult to be very precise in colors. Also between shoots (on location) it’s almost impossible but this makes more coherent and much faster.
I think it might be better not to use all of the settings to come closer between photos.
I use Davinci Resolve as well, these two programs match very well though I think Resolve is a bit more competent than C1. CST is incredible tool!!
Cloud features are more expensive as companies have to hire each other so I understand that All In One is more expensive and cloud features would be in that tier. After all expenses for c1 and PS are relatively very small compared to equipment and other services like bookkeeping programs.
Question; have you noticed when doing round trips to PS and back to C1 in PSD files the metadata entered in C1 imports gets lost in that round trip?
I don't use PSD files. I try to stay out of proprietary formats, so I use layered TIFF files for all my work.
@I tested TIFF and the metadata is readable in PS beta and C1 can’t read it. I will open a case at C1. Anyhow thanks for the video
Nice, of course you can edit your images in davinci and and have consistency both ways. Thank you!
Heck yeah
One question… the new ‘match look’ feature, is it meant for TTL users..? I know a lot of photographers now use TTL in the studio and it gives ‘slightly’ different results from shot to shot (I’m not criticising here). Us old geezers shoot lights manually in a studio so every shot (hopefully) is exposed the same, unless the model moves way off the mark. So ‘Match Look’ isn’t needed but I can see its use when TTL is used in a studio… Just asking a question and trying to bridge the generation/technology gap😊
I do not know of a single photographer who uses TTL in the studio. In gact, I do not know of a single photographer who uses flash heads in a studio. We use strobes and, more commonly, LEDs.
@@StudioBuilder that's interesting, personally its always been Profoto packs and 7B-s/B2/B3Air on location, that was in both NYC and London, but I'm old and I see a LOT of new kids using Profoto monoblocs in TTL mode IN A STUDIO.. (crazy I know), the only time in recent yrs I used a godox AD200 in TTL was because the models were running down a beach (it worked flawlessly). But going back to the main point about matching a look or getting close I can see 'the kids' using this as well as wedding shooters with 2k images to edit... hence C1 going down the 'speed up the mass edit route in recent yrs
Android Tablots not Capture one Availble?
They don't make an Android app.
I use A Samsung tab user so the stuff about iPads and stuff is just noise. More to the point I was offered all-in-one for free last year, and I took it. This year I could find NO option to subscribe for Pro only. I realized now that I way over paid for C1 and that pisses me off. As for the ability to store settings to the cloud and then to download them Capture One is explaining that this costs money and users have to foot the bill. I would be just as happy if those settings were just easily downloaded to a USB drive, and then uploaded the same way. I'm not sure if it would take any longer. But what REALLY pisses me off is that AIO users (me) get faster problem response from C1. The idea that Pro users are second class citizens makes me crazy. As for the Studio, I figure that maybe 50 people in Canada would actually need that, and they all live in Toronto or Vancouver.
You could have shown us how good the hair masking is (especially as it didn't look very good from what I could see). Unless it can mask hair extremely well I could not see me using it.
That's okay. You don't have to.
Match look sort of gets you in the ballpark but it's far from accurate. Would love to see you take that starting point and actually match it next time! thanks for the video :)
It's not meant to be magic. Don't know why everyone expects it to be magic. Why even take a photo of you're not going to process it yourself?
@ because it implies you can take a color grade reference image you like and it will match it. It doesnt even come close to it in most cases. If i have a processed photo why would i need match look to begin with? I could just apply my own across the other images with the apply tool
To me the color match tool is a total miss. They will probably fixed it in 2-3 years. People masking is really precise, with a bit of luck they will bring the same precision to the subject/background masking next year. They should also add teeth and iris masking for the people masking.
Everywhere I have not seen the actual test that should be done. Check if colors are accurate and check ratios and weights against blank squares. So I honestly don’t believe this color matching iteration is ready for prime time.
Haven’t been able to try it myself as I and many others have been unable to use this newest version due to it being buggy. Can’t even open c1 when upgrading to this version.
I haven't seen any reports to what you're claiming about bugs or Match Look not working well. I'm already using it in my work and back catalogue on a daily basis with no problems.
I think some people want it to be magic, but you also have to remember that as good as it already is, it's only going to get better and better.
Been using version 16.5 without issue. Remember Match Look works very well for the overall look and feel. It's not supposed to create an exact colour by number match.
@ so it’s pointless as i thought.