Bobby Shew Jazz vs Lead Trumpet Mouthpiece. Same or Different?
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- Опубліковано 10 чер 2020
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The Yamaha Bobby Shew Jazz trumpet mouthpiece is supposed to be the "companion" to your Bobby Shew Lead trumpet mouthpiece. Are they similar or different? Well, there are lots of differences. Thankfully the rim shapes are the same and it'll feel similar in that regard. Here are the specifications that I go through:
Yamaha Bobby Shew Jazz: amzn.to/2XVTG1F
Rim Diameter: 16.85 millimeters
Throat Size: 3.65 millimeters
Backbore: "Standard"
Yamaha Bobby Shew Lead: amzn.to/3cWIjef
Rim Diameter: 16.54 millimeters
Throat Size: 3.56 millimeters
Backbore: "Narrow"
Yamaha 14C4: amzn.to/2UB5moI
Rim Diameter: 16.88 millimeters
Throat Size: 3.65 millimeters (that's what the "4" means)
Backbore: "Standard"
Yamaha 14A4a: amzn.to/2YxvDp1
Rim Diameter: 16.68 millimeters
Throat Size: 3.65 millimeters (that's what the "4" means)
Backbore: "Narrow" (that's what the "a" means)
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Yamaha has used the Schilke nomenclature to describe their mouthpieces.
The number refers to the inner diameter of the rim. The lower the number, the more narrow diameter.
The first letter refers to the relative depth of the cup. A is shallow to E which is the deepest.
The next number refers to the shape of the rim, not the throat. 1 is very narrow to 5 which is very flat a wide. A 4 rim is on the flat, wide side.
The last letter refers to the shape of the backbore. A is the narrowest and E is the most open.
The throats on Yamaha and Schilke mouthpieces are not mentioned on the mouthpiece.
If you don't know, Renold Schilke was called in by Yamaha to help them get started in the professional trumpet and mouthpiece genre.
I've found the lead to be a fantastic choice for marching band. The jazz is s bit cleaner and more multi-purpose, but the lead excells in marching band by a large margin.
Great to hear Ryan. I bet the "sizzle" of the shallow cup really helps you project when outside. Thanks !
how does it compare? how is it better in marching band?
@@lvhuriel I found projection was key when in marching band. The Lead has a shallower cup and a tighter backbore than the Jazz. So for me, the Lead projects better as it's a bit brighter. When I marched in the Macy's Day Thanksgiving day parade, it was tough to keep in tune due to the cold so the Jazz may have been a better choice for that day. One thing to note, the rounded rim may not be as comfortable for you if you are used to a flatter rim like a Schilke etc. I found something with a slightly flatter rim was more forgiving when having to do dance moves etc. while trying to play high. Hope that helps, happy playing.
Throat diameters are usually given in the drill bit size, so it would be nice to know what size these Yamaha mouthpieces are. Most standard throats are 26 or 27 unless they’ve been modified or special ordered. I used to have all mine drilled (or made) to a #22 throat until I found my current mouthpiece (Bach 1E) which I’ve left stock because the balance between throat, backbore, and cup volume is about perfect for me. The Yamaha 16.85mm is just a tad small for me as my mouthpieces are typically 17.00mm.
UPDATE: OK, I did the math. The Jazz has a #27 throat and the Lead has a #28 throat. The 16.85mm rim diameter of the Jazz would put it about halfway between a Bach 2 (16.50mm) and a Bach 1 (17.00mm) rim diameter, leaning just ever so slightly toward the Bach 1. The 16.54mm of the Jazz would l put it virtually the same as the Bach 2 (16.50mm) rim diameter.
Great video, I actually needed to know differences of them because they looked similar.
Lead is shallow and has narrow rim 16.54mm vs 16.85 and narrower bore 3.56 vs 3.65
I’ve playing on a Bach 3c for about 10 years on a xeno, but recently had to switch to a Stradivarius. When I switched in realized its much harder for me to play in the upper register. I just ordered the lead Bobby shew so hopefully it’ll help without taking from my tone.
I found it took a bit of adjustment to the shallow cup to not be so sharp. Extending the main tuning slide and trying to relax helped. Good luck with your new horn and mouthpiece !
@@TrumpetBizyes, relaxing your embouchure is the key with the Shew lead, as it is easy to choke off your airflow with it.
Olá boa tarde, só queria saber se o Raso é melhor para os Agudos ou o mais fundo.
Olá Isaías,
Se eu entendi sua pergunta, você está perguntando qual é melhor para notas baixas. Esse seria o Bobby Shew Jazz, pois o tamanho do copo é muito mais profundo do que o Bobby Shew Lead. Espero que ajude.
Hello Isaias,
If I understand your question, you are asking which is better for low notes. That would be the Bobby Shew Jazz as the cup size is much deeper than the Bobby Shew Lead. Hope that helps.
So, overall do you think they are worth buying for the price or there are better options? thanks
If they match your embouchure and playing style, they may be an option. What are you playing now? What are you looking to change in your sound? Most quality mouthpieces run in this range. They are definitely designed for different music. The Jazz's warmer sound from the deeper cup is something I'm enjoying these days as I take a break from my Schilke 14A4A as I'm not doing much lead work (as you can imagine lol !). Yamaha's mouthpieces are really high quality and am enjoying the more rounded inner rim of the Shrew Jazz as compared to the little sharper inner rim of the Schilke. Depending on what you are playing now and where you want to take your playing, hopefully will help you decide which direction to try. Good luck and please let me know how it goes. Thanks for playing along.
@@TrumpetBiz I'm currently playing on a Yamaha 11b4 and it feels a bit limiting volume-wise and a bit small for my lips. Also the tone is quite mellow, which I like, but I'm baffled that my previous mouthpiece sounded brighter having a deeper cup lol. Anyway I play mostly jazz and I'm looking for something warmer but round (if that's possible), and the Shew Jazz seems like a good option. I was wondering if in your experience it is. Thanks and best of luck.
@@Wes7Joplin I like it as a change from my Schilke 14A4A although the rim diameter is a bit smaller. I like the deeper cup and more open throat. In looking up your 11B4, it has a 16.46mm inner rim diameter and a 3.65mm throat. The Shrew Jazz has a 16.85mm inner rim diameter and the same 3.65 throat & standard backbore. You should feel the Shrew Jazz allow more of your embouchure to move given the larger rim diameter. The deeper cup should give that warmth. The backbore should help with your slotting similar to your 11B4. Sounds like you found something that may work. Nice chatting with you, please have fun, stay safe and healthy.
Can you plz review the Eric Miyashiro mouthpiece?
Apologies for the late reply. It's definitely been on our list to try. Just got an Allen Vizzutti from Yamaha and will be posting a review on that soon. Thanks for playing along !
I hope you will reply Sir, i used to play bach 3c but i lost it. So i buy a 3c mp but not a branded mp. Its ok to shift in a bonbyshew lead ?
The Bach 3C trumpet mouthpiece will have a deeper cup than the Bobby Shew Lead which is very shallow. Also, the width of the rim of a Bach 3C is 16.30 mm. The rim diameter of the Bobby Shew Lead is 16.54 mm. That's enough of a difference that you will feel it. The rim shape of both are "semi round" so that will feel the same. The backbore of the Bach will be bigger as I've found the tighter backbore of the Bobby Shew helps with compression and playing higher. The biggest differences you'll feel are the rim width being bigger on the Bobby Shew, the cup much shallower, and the tighter backbore. The Bobby Shew may help you play higher. For most people, I've seen a few notes higher, but not an octave higher. For me personally, it helped clear up my upper range and I gained a few notes higher as well. You may want to try a friends mouthpiece that has a wider rim like the Bobby Shew of 16.54 mm. If it feels comfortable, then you will probably do well with the Bobby Shew. Hope that helps you decide if it's for you or not.
@@TrumpetBiz that was the problem here in our country branded mouthpiece are limited we can't personally try the difference of both mouthpieces and if we want it we order it abroad but as I remember my teacher has a golden silver Allen vizutti that I tried to play but I can't go all out at the 2nd octave even I used to much air to sustain but I still struggling and as I go up it feels like my lips stop buzzing like its choked and stick in to the mouthpiece.im.still waiting to your advice Sir thanks for replying
@@EdTrumpetMelos Thank you for explaining that. I'm currently playing an Allen Vizzutti from Yamaha (not the gold plated one) after some time playing the Bobby Shew Lead. The rim size is even bigger than the Bobby Shew and your Bach 3C. It's 16.67 mm. It's got a bigger backbore than the Bobby Shew which I personally like. If you had trouble with the Allen Vizzutti, it may be that you need a tighter backbore to not overblow. Given that, the Bobby Shew Lead may be what you need. The increase in rim size will be the biggest adjustment for you. My advice is talk with your teacher first, and if they think it's okay, then go ahead. It sounds like it'll help your lead playing. Best of luck to you !
@@TrumpetBiz btw Sir the other Allen vizutti the silver one, that was a good for me but I don't know what size is it and because of limited time I never test it in upper register cause we're in the church that time, I'm confused it's because for me maybe the bobby shew lead is better than Allen vizutti Sir? So this time I made up my mind I'll buy the bobby shew and if it's hard for me to adjust then I'll swap it to the Allen vizutti silver😆 thank you very much for giving me some advice Sir🙂
Best of luck with your playing !@@EdTrumpetMelos
For mellophone which one should I choose because I really dont know which one to choose
A Mellowphone is more like a French horn than a trumpet so I would look closely at the receiver of your mellowphone. Modern ones can accept a trumpet mouthpiece. If yours does, then the Bobby Shew Jazz would be far better as it has a deeper cup and the Lead would be way too bright. Again, you may want to look at a Mellowphone specific mouthpiece to make sure it fits, and most importantly, sounds like a Mellowphone should. Good luck with your playing !
@@TrumpetBiz yeah i use a trumpet mouthpiece and it’s disgusting and it’s impossible to play high notes with it
Play a Yamaha 14F4 Mellophone Mouthpiece.
Forgot to mention, you'll find more success with matching the inner rim diameter of your french horn mouthpiece with your mellowphone mouthpiece. You can do this by seeing if your french horn mouthpiece maker also makes mellowphone mouthpieces. Also, the rim shape being a little flatter I found makes life easier when marching. Nothing worse than taking a slight misstep and banging your mouthpiece against your lips. If your marching band performs in cold weather, also look for a plastic or nylon model as well.
The jazz looks easier on your lips. I’d go with the jazz
i stay clear away from any mouthpiece that looks like a bach. same old obsolete 100 year old designs, nobody`s original anymore...
It does look like a Bach on the outside for sure. I found that the rim shape was much rounder than what I recall of Bachs. It makes me use less pressure as it can dig a bit. But that's just me as I came from a Schilke 11 which has a much flatter rim than the Jazz and the Lead.
The Shew Jazz is essentially a tweaked Bach 3C. Rounder rim, same cup, altered backbore.