4 Trumpet Lead Mouthpieces!
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- In order played: a Schilke 13A4A, Patrick CR5ZM, Reeves 42SV (69 backbore), and a vintage Jettone Custom Model B. These, again in order, are shallow, medium shallow, shallower, and the Jettone is the shallowest. Great pieces, and they do make the upper range easier, no doubt. Enjoy! :)
I didn't know about these mouthpieces. Definitely gonna give them a try. Thanks for the content Jonathan!
My pleasure! I'm sure not a leadplayer, but there for a while I kept getting nice lead mouthpieces in with some traded horns. It was fun! :)
I have many shallow mouthpieces, but my favorite that I keep going back to is the Shew E14 by Marcinkiweitz (misspelled). The E14 for me gives me an open sound and yet great ease into the upper register and I do not bottom out on it.
Austin, I'm sorry - I commented on this several days ago by phone and UA-cam lost it. I played the Marc Shew pieces for several years, then went a bit larger diameter. The Shew pieces are fantastic. :) I preferrred the Shew 1.5 and 1.75, but used the 1.25 and (very rarely) the 1. Great pieces indeed! :)
Yip, played professionally on a E14 for 37 years. Great sound in all registers but especially the most important - the double register!
@@MrProplayer1 Awesome. It is a great piece.
I just bought a Marcinkiewicz Shew 1.5 ... I assumed it would back up on me, but it doesn't.
Hi where can I buy a marcinkiewicz bobby shew mouthpieces??????thanks in advance
Years ago when I first got interested in learning to play the trumpet I must've been a bit starstruck and bought an Al Hirt model Jet Tone mouthpiece because I was listening to his music around that time. The mouthpiece was amazingly shallow! I immediately understood why his tone was so much brighter than that of, say, Herb Alpert who has a darker, warmer tone.
By the way, I once read an article in which someone who had an opportunity to hold one of Hirt's trumpets said it was held together with rubber bands in some areas. LOL I guess it was his favorite trumpet and he did all he could to keep it functional. Needless to say Hirt was a phenomenal classically trained trumpeter who gained fame for his New Orleans jazz and pop music work.
Al Hirt was a BEAST on the trumpet, and (from the interviews I've seen of him on UA-cam) really seems to be a class guy. I'm impressed with all I've seen and heard of him. Great anecdotes, and thanks for sharing them with us. :) His mouthpieces and horns are legendary, aren't they? If you've still got a copy of his, enjoy it. :) Again, thanks for commenting - and I hope you have a safe and happy New Year's celebration.
@@JonathanMilam1 Thanks and likewise, Jonathan! God bless.
The 3rd MP fits you perfectly.
Thanks! I'm more used to deeper pieces, but I need to use some lead pieces occasionally too. :)
I liked the Jet Tone sound the best. My most playable mouthpiece with a good open lead tone is the Bach 10&1/2C. Also, very good with better range is my Miyashiro Lead mouthpiece, the 2 version.
After your videos, I am getting in the habit of looking into the mouthpieces to compare them.
Thanks
Robert, thanks for commenting. This JetTone is something else. Steve Patrick, an excellent commercial trumpeter in Nashville, used this cup for the development of some of his mouthpieces; it is very effective. And Rafael Mendez also used the 10 1/2 C until Olds made him custom pieces (which were very similar). These days most symphony guys have gone so large... I think the search for volume has kind of removed the search for tone. And a LOT of people with modest chop strength can't run with these big sizes; I think it causes many potential good players to give up. Anyway, nice to hear from someone who values quality over size. And Eric M isn't a bad guy to sound like either. :)
Nice video Jonathan!
I felt that the Schilke had the most excitement in the tone and really fit the music. You seemed most at home with the Reeves and I must say it has a super sound “zingy richness”. Most of my favorite pieces would raise eyebrows in a British brass band by the way! Cheers! Robert
Robert; Thanks for your comment. I'd say your analysis is pretty good! :) I use the Reeves 41 rim on most everything I play and, interestingly enough, my Reeves SV (which I only use for UA-cam) is certainly more comfy to me because of this. The Schilke, I think it's actually a 12A4A, is impressive. It did take me a few practices to acclimate to these, but it was fun. My travels took me to the thriving metropolis of Grand Island, Nebraska, yesterday, where I was lucky enough to acquire a Schilke B6 trumpet... So this Schilke mouthpiece could see a bit mroe time on future video. :) Take care, Robert; and again, thanks for commenting.
You sound and play much better with the Reeves piece.
S,SV,ES cups matched with 69 bbore are a killing combination for commercial sound.
Regards my friend.
Thanks for your comment! Recently, I've been using a lot of GR mouthpieces; they are something else. I really like the 64 M-B, and the MS is a great piece.
I like your sound on the reeves its beautiful. Im kinda looking for mouthpiece for my nephew now and just went to Bronstein music here in my area and they recommend the bach 3C for my college nephew. Its kinda hard because he cant try it in store back home. I hope this fits him and if not he needs to do some research or try his bandmates mouthpiece.
The Bach 3C is definitely the most popular in the US at this time. I think Curry puts out a great mouthpiece; perhaps a bit more comfy than the Bach rim, and not much more money, either. I use a rim about the size of a Bach 7C, so I'm a bit smaller. Thanks for watching and commenting! And good luck with the nephew and his playing, too! :)
@@JonathanMilam1 and thanks to your videos Im re learning again to play. Just playing by ear on songs that I like, Im also going to try to practice reading music. If you ever fly to SF maybe I can take you out for some lunch and talk about trumpets and music.
It's not on their standard list of sizes, but you can get a custom Schilke 14AA4AA. (Yes, those are double A's.) I have one. I forget off the top of my head who it was designed for, but it was designed for a well-known trumpet player. The double A's signify that it is extra shallow and has an extra tight backbore. But it still isn't nearly as shallow as some of the the Jet-Tone mouthpieces.
Bill; fascinating info. I've never heard this before. Very interesting. )
@@JonathanMilam1 if you're familiar with the articles from "The Schilke Loyalist", He describes the 14AA4AA and for whom it was designed. That article is what tipped me off and got me to contact Schilke about ordering one. (I previously played the 14A4A.) An interesting tidbit, the guys at the Schilke factory nicknamed this mouthpiece "The Zinger". I had to give it my own nickname, so I call mine "The Rocket Launcher".
As I said before, this is not on their standard list of mouthpieces. It's considered a custom mouthpiece order and therefore cost significantly more than a standard mouthpiece. In addition to the Schilke name and the size of the mouthpiece, they allow you to add any lettering you want, so I put my name on it. It's a bragging point. I tell other trumpeters that "My mouthpiece has my name on it. Does yours?"
@@BillSmith-rx9rm Well, dang it, none of my mouthpieces have MY name on them... I may have to take some action here. :) Good stuff, Bill, thank you. I've visited the Schilke Loyalist several times but don't recall doing much mouthpiece research there. Very good stuff! :)
The Original 14A4a was developed in 1970 for Forrest Buchtel when he was on Woody Herman's band. Mr. Schilke had made some copies of a Purviance model Manny Klein was using (originally made for Conrad Gozzo) for Forrest and eventually the 14A4a was born, initially, it had a flatter rim and a nice undercut-today's design has a rounded rim and no undercut-no wonder nobody can play it-in 35 years I've only seen a couple people have a career on a stock 14A4a one being Jay Sollenberger, but he has an original 1970 version. Most people have to have a modified version. The cup on the 14A4a is NOT that shallow. The 6A4a is the shallowest cup Schilke has, the original 6A4a (I have a couple that belonged to Chase) had a flatter rim that was slightly more "cushioned" with a rim undercut and a reverse taper throat & backbore-very unique and much more playable than the stock model. I've had a few people "attempt" to copy it (including Schilke, Pete Pickett, Vladimir) and NOBODY gets it quite right
@@chasefreak Yes, I know the 14A4A was designed for Forest Buchtel. But the 14AA4AA was designed for someone else. I guess I'm going to have to go back and research who it was.
I'm surprised to hear you say no one made a career out of playing the 14A4A. It's a very common mouthpiece for school players, both high school and college.
I first became familiar with the 14A4A when I was a freshman in college when another trumpeter let me try out his 13A4A and 14A4A. I immediately fell in love with the 14A4A and that was my primary mouthpiece for over 30 years until I got the 14AA4AA. You are correct that the 14a4A is not very shallow compared to others such as jet tone. In my old age, sometimes I have to revert to an old Jet-Tone T-2C which I've had since the '70s But almost never used. Didn't really like it but now in my old age I need it for that extra support.
Hi, Jonathan! You sound best on the Reeves 42m. John.
The Reeves 42B is another great piece; patterned after Bach's 7B - which was Herseth's preferred mouthpiece. Reeves has made some great pieces, no doubt.
Great info Jonathan. Have tried a Bach 3f
Weird, but Ive never had shallower than a Bach C. Lots of B's, but only C's and B's. Strange, I know. Lots of other mouthpieces; lots of Curry's and Warburton's, but no shallow Bach's.
A Schilke 13 size rim is too LARGE for you? Wow, I can’t fit into a 14. I used a Giardinelli 3S drilled to a #22 throat for years, until I lost it and found I couldn’t replace it because Giardinelli went out of business. After trying a couple alternatives I settled on an undrilled Bach 1E, and I love it.
I played a Bach 1 just out of my teens, but no way I could do it now. I’m solidly in the 7 size rim now, but mostly GR 64 and Warburton 6 pieces. it only took me 25 years to figure out my best size. :)
10.5 guy here. lol
Schilke 12 guy here. It's around a Bach 6 diameter. I had to downsize also.
The 13 rim is about a 5 rim in Bach speak it was designed by Mr. Schilke for Mike Vax when he was playing with Kenton.
Hmmm...the Patrick sort of reminds me of a Maggio. I played on the Maggio for many years; many many years ago.
Patrick himself is a master trumpeter... He obviously knows mouthpieces too. I've got two of his, and they're both quite impressive. Thanks for commenting! :)
Really enjoyed this review! I bet you have more mp's then you can shake a stick at! What does that saying mean anyway! BTW, You're audio is sounding even better. Have you changed anything on your setup?
I went back to an AKG dynamic mic for trumpet, and I’m loving the sound. But for singing and speaking, the fathead is the max. :)
Actually Bob Reeves sound the best.
Would you consider Trents TA1 MP a lead piece ? ( btw: what is the TA1’s BB dimension.?
I've only had Trent's TA Lead and TA/TF. I haven't tried any others. The two I have are great pieces though.
What is your opinion on the Bobby Shew e14 by marchinkiweicz
The Shew 1, 1.25, 1.5 and 1.75 all shared the same rim, which is similar in size to a Bach 10.5C (but the Marc. is more comfortable). Each of the 4 are fantastic pieces. I played the Marcinkiewicz Shew 1.5 and 1.75 for several years. The Marc 2.0 is a different mouthpiece rim - I didn't care as much for it, but the others are great. I've gone to a slightly smaller diameter, so I don't use them any longer, but they're fine pieces. The Marc Shew 1 is the first piece that I easily hit a Double High (Super) C on. It was so easy it frightened me. Sadly, it wasn't the norm for me, but it's a great piece. :) They all are. I think Roger Ingram used to play them as well.
Trying out a Yamaha Bobby Shew Lead . Love the sound I'm getting. Feels just a little big on the rim. Any suggestions for a bit smaller rim Dia? Currenty been playing a Bach 7EW plays good, just not the sizzle.
Would a Bach 3mv be the same rim size as a 3c
I would think so... This should let you know...
www.bachbrass.com/application/files/4614/8521/7763/AV2BA901_Original_1889_web.pdf
I really like your videos and how thorough you are in your reviews! You definitely sound the best on the reeves. But if I were to say anything, you really ought to take deeper breaths and put more air into the horn, and focus less on setting up your chops when going to play. Everything will get easier!
Sitting doesn't help; but yes, I do tend to not breathe deeply enough. Stephen, thanks for watching and commenting.
Doesn’t the material lead, lead to cancer
Any parts of trumpet, like raw brass on a mouthpiece, that could be dangerous, have a silver-plate coating. So none of the pieces of a trumpet should be damaging to be held.
@@JonathanMilam1 thanks because I just got a Bach mouthpiece and says warning there’s lead in this and can cause cancer, and I was worried.
@@LunarrBtw actually, lead could be a concern. Perhaps got to TrumpetHerald.com and begin a thread about this? I will contribute if I see your comment there. Very good question - thanks for bringing this up! :)
@@JonathanMilam1 ok Thanks! One more question will it be safe to play? My Bach mouthpiece?