I don't think it's THAT crazy but I can understand why it looks odd... I just think with what he's achieved in such a short amount of time, beating the best of the best (apart from Big Ank) he's beating everyone and outclassing them all as well!
@@War-Horse-MMAhe’s not even top 10 hill and Jiri former champ wins are over rated as shit his Izzy win is 1-1 than the only think he has is Strickland rountree and 41 year old Jan he’s boarder top 15
Islam body triangled poirier for essentially the entirety of round 1 (Also had a Kimura submission attempt aswell), don't think Dustin landed a single strike, yet no one considers this a 10-8 to Islam. Khamzat controls Usman for all of round 1 and because of the shock of it everyone scores it a 10-8. Usman could of won that fight in my mind the scoring criteria is so weird sometimes
EXACTLY MY POINT! I'm fine if we score round 1 of Khamzat vs Usman a 10-8, BUT I need to see that same criteria for other fights like Poirier vs Islam as you mentioned!!!
Man I have a bone to pick with Anderson Silva at 13. The man was 38 when he lost to Weidman, how do you count anything after that point? As far as his comp, he faced whoever was there to be faced in his division, don't know what more he could've done.
I mean I’m sorry but his competition just wasn’t good at all. It’s not his fault but the fact is he doesn’t have the names to be higher and he got destroyed in the latter half of his career
@@Jukeboxster it's just the name value... I look at most of Silva's wins and they're just not that impressive... He's still finishing them or making it look easy, but it's like if Islam was to go and defend his belt against guys in the top 11-15, they're not that impressive...
@@War-Horse-MMAdude he has beaten many of the same fat pride "legends" Jones did, as well as Forest and Henderson who also beat more of them, all in more spectacular, dominant fashion and without cheating or being bigger
@@War-Horse-MMA who did merab beat? Out of prime Aldo. O malley who's not a wrestle. Cejudo who came out of retirement and moved up a weight class. Petr yan is the only good win
@@War-Horse-MMAyeah and Jones was also allowed to eye poke everyone. If O'Malley was allowed too he would never lose (how is midget Merab taking him down blind?)
Pereira lost to a middleweight while being the biggest weight bully in ufc history. Yes i said weight bully and drained, Pereira fans love to use drained to cope with the fact he got finished
@War-Horse-MMA Glover fought Jan better then Alex and Ankaliev did. Even so if you look at the quality of his opponents against someone like Dc and Porier you'll see why he's not top 10
@@War-Horse-MMA”beat the guy that Izzy couldn’t.” Like that’s a criteria for greatness. Jan, jiri, jamahal, Khalil are all, Bryce Mitchell and Josh emmet level wins. His only good win is Izzy who isn’t on your list, so put ilia up there while you’re at it.
@@AutististicSchizo a 43 year old glover. Have you even watched the jiri fight? He was getting his ass handed by a glover before glover made the mistake of jumping a gilly
DJ and GSP... Then everyone else. You can't get popped and be a goat. Everything you do is in question. Volkanovski was having a career shaping up to be in the conversation but has had some losses recently despite weird circumstances. Ilia, Islam and Alex seem to be potential future candidates, especially Islam and Alex rn. Good video
Solid list! Just a few things: 1. Love the Pantoja treatment, he should be more highly regarded than he is by fans 2. Merab has the quality to be bantamweight GOAT. I’d still put Silva over him due to the quantity the spider had before he fell off at 38 years old, but they’re closer than people will admit 3. I love Poatan, but he’s number 10 at best for me (probably 11/12). He’s a very impressive athlete, but he hasn’t fought a stylistic nightmare/bad match up yet (Jan win was kind of, but Ank is a better wrestler). If he beats Big Ank, I’ll Slide him to 9/10. 4. Not as big of a deal as Volk has the quality, but him and Islam should be switched. Islam has two wins over Volk (2nd win was short notice, but not Islams fault that Volk agreed to a short notice fight), and he has the two back to back greatest wins of all time imo (Prime Charles who was #3 P4P at UFC 280 and Prime Volk who was #1 P4P at UFC 284). Topuria is a a very close second with Volk and Holloway, but the Volk he KOed was a bit compromised from being head kicked KO by Islam back at 294. 5. Top three are perfect, I’m okay with any order of them personally.
ur talking about the volk win being less good coz he got head kicked before but its the same thing as the short notice islam fight. both events diminished volk but he agreed
@@mxbblife_mu bro its just the roids, if he didn't take them there would be no discussion but in any other sport cheating for half of your career would eliminate you from the goat conversation
i think that in a couple of years a loss to jon jones will mean way less than it does today. i mean for dc that’s great many more people will acknowledge the fact that jon was is and will always be a cheater and will place dc higher in the goat list. imo dc should be higher in the list top 5 for me.
I completely agree, I think the most important part is if you include cheating or not in the goat discussion! I always agree that a loss to Jon Jones won't look that back and won't mean much is a couple years when he's retired and we really look at Jones' career and what it really was...
@ I just don’t see how Merab leg humping 4 good fighters and a bunch of bums for like 10 decision wins in the UFC is better than like 15 title defenses against several HOFers where Silva was completely outclassing and finishing dudes while clowning on them. He was considered top 3 on the planet with the other two goats GSP and Jones for the entirety of his prime. Where as Merab is considered kind of a joke. Not attacking you or anything man I love your content but dam Silva has become tragically underated. Khabib is in people top 5 for dominating like 4 dudes while Silva over here was catching bodies left and right.
Volkanovski ranked 4th?? Khabib ranked 8th?? Volkanovski's fans seem to have a bit of a victim mentality towards Khabib. When Volkanovski fell into a losing streak after defending up to 5 times, his fans were finally caught up in a sense of victimization towards Khabib and felt great anger along with the raw thought, 'If only Volkanovski had defended 5 times.' I can sense that frustration in your list too. Sometimes, a sense of victimization can lead to errors in objectivity.
Idk if I'm miss reading your comment sorry, but Volk did defend his belt 5 times? I'm not victimising Khabib at all dude, in terms of legacy and wins, Volk is ahead of Khabib. Khabibs legacy is incredible that he left the sport untouched and only lost 3 rounds in his career! However, Khabib's BEST win is Poirier, Volk's best win is Holloway THREE TIMES! Volk hasn't "fallen into a lossing streak" he's lost three times and to some all times greats, went up in weight and put on a hell of a performance against Islam and ALMOST won, got finished in the rematch on short notice, and made a quick turn around to fight the hardest hitting 145er we've ever seen! There's no disrespect in those L's on his record! Both are great, but Volk is just better 🤷♂️
@@War-Horse-MMA 1. The lightweight division has the largest roster of any division. 2. Volkanovski caught 6 ranked players, and Khabib caught 8 ranked players. 3. Khabib defeated three lightweight fighters ranked inside p4p7. On the other hand, Volk defeated only one player, Holloway. 4. Khabib’s UFC winning streak is longer. 5. The reason Volk had to fight Holloway three times was because he did not have the upper hand. 6. Volk didn't win every round like Khabib did. Khabib is the only person in MMA to remain undefeated until he was ranked #1 in P4P and did not lose a single round on his way to becoming champion.
@@War-Horse-MMA While Volk caught only Holloway, who was not even ranked 7th in P4P, Khabib overwhelmed a total of 3 top P4P rankers who were ranked 2nd in P4P, 7th in P4P, and 7th in P4P at the time.
@@rconcsidwe7079 it's not just about who fought more ranked fighters, it's the LEVELS of the guys he's fighting as well... Volk has a far superior resume, Holloway x3 is better than any win Khabib has, ESPECIALLY THE THIRD FIGHT WHERE HE 50-55d HOLLOWAY!!!! I don't want to say it but Khabib never faced a high level grappler tho, where as Volk faced the best striker of all time and beat him at his game, and had a lot of great moments against Islam on the ground, which a lot of people call Khabib 2.0 but with better striking... Volk was also P4P #1, and I understand that he didn't win every single round of every single fight, I would argue that lossing the first two rounds to Holloway in their second fight, and then COMING BACK AND WINNING THE NEXT 3 is insanely impressive, especially when Holloway gets better as fights go on... Not saying Khabib isn't great, Volk's just better
I think for reyes one it should have been split in favour of reyes (giving it unanimous is just outrageous) only reason i think judges thought jomes won is may be recency bais (as he wan las 2 rounds) or maybe reyes wasn't that accurate
I don't think we can be too harsh on Silva for the losses at the end of his career. He sustained one of the worst injuries you can possibly imagine. And before that he lost to Weidman cuz he was so fkn cocky. He did get dominated by Chael and then fluked the first Chael win tho. Definitely some nuance needed when evaluating his career. His title reign is the probably the most iconic reign in UFC history, so fkn fun
@@FirmlyGrasp_IT that's fair. Imo it's like talking about Tony's more recent losses compared to Silva's end of career... I still don't think it warrants him to go higher but I might've definitely been too harsh on those L's
My only problem with Ilia is he has two incredible wins and that's it... Pantoja has multiple good wins, nothing on the level of Ilia but the quantity of Pantoja's wins imo is better than Ilia's quality! Nothing against Ilia, in one or two wins times he's definitely there
I still to this day score it 28-28 OR 29-28 Usman, depending on how you score round 1... Usman 100% won the second and I thought edged the third, clear round 1 to Khamzat BUT if that's a 10-8, I need to see that same energy towards a lot of other rounds like that which gets scored 10-9
@@War-Horse-MMA thats ridiculous, go watch the weasles breakdown, and even if you dont want to, khamzats first round was 100% a 10-8, as for round 3, strikes were near even, but khamzat had takedowns. Khamzat comes in stomps 3-4 guys then goes on to beat Burns and Usman in absolutely BONKERS fights and people go "Meh, he didn't stomp two of the best WW's with ease, not impressed" lol. Not to mention usman was getting 10-8'd till the injury. Expectations for Khamzat are ridiculous.
Poatan above DC? You have Khabib in your top 15?? I mean I guess maybe you could put him in the 15th place but to put him above Usman, Aldo, Holloway and Miocic is INSANE. Also how do you not have Israel Adesanya in your top 15? Honestly one of the worst GOAT lists
@@revert5651 I honestly can't back that bro... I hate Khabib as much as the next person but I have to give credit where credit is due and say that Khabib is 1000% above those guys you named
I mean i guess 'greatness' is subjective, but I just can't see how Peirera can be a top 10 fighter of all time when there are multiple people in his division(s) that would be the betting favorite against him. DC & Jones would be massive favorites over him. I believe Chael would be a betting favorite, Khamzat (weight class below) is a betting favorite, Ankalaev is a betting favorite. Current Jones in his past hsi prime is so much of a favorite against Peirera that ppl don't even want to see the fight. How can that be ATG fighter? Once again, greatness is subjective, but if we're going by your metrics, having Peirera there and not having Conor has a top 5 is kinda criminal.
I was with you until you said Conor... I'm picking Big Ank to beat Pereira, I'd also expect all of those guys you named to beat him as well and expect them to be the favourites. However, what he's done in 3 years of being in the UFC is unheard of! We've never seen someone just rise to the top, win two belts, and defend them in that time against the best of the best! I know he hasn't fought Big Ank yet and I'd expect Ank to win, but if Alex wins there sit absolutely no denying him, and I don't think you can right now either with his wins and what he's achieved!
@@Uptheroyals80 it's just his level of competition faced, I know the sports changed but it's moved on so much to where I HAVE to move Silva down to below the top 10
are we judging by resume or by peak?Because it’s not very clear in your video. Putting Silva on 13th spot just because he’s got a lot losses but not considering how great his resume is?
It's incredibly close but damage trumps everything, Usman landed the more damaging strikes and outstruck but 9 shots (22 to 13)... Khamzat also went 1-4 on takedowns and yes he did get one, he didn't do enough with it to get credit for it to win the round! Still very close but I always give it to Usman when watching it back
@@ivanov-q4w Timber is too far above these clowns to even be on the list... The jump from Jones to Timber is so massive it's not even worth mentioning!
Having pereira at #6 is insanity… The list is decent with hot takes being islam at #5 (should be lower) and anderson at #13(should be higher) and jose should be higher too. Not including adesanya in the list is also crazy.
I agree with a lot of your list, but Pereira shouldn’t be top 10. He hasn’t faced any competent grapplers. DC would’ve ragdolled him. Topuria should also be on list.
I wanted to put Ilia in but I just can't when he's got two great wins and that's it... They're incredibly impressive but I can't put him above those guys I mentioned as of right now! The problem with Alex not facing grapplers is there's literally zero grapplers for him to fight at lhw, I believe he's going to go through his whole career without fighting a grappler...
So, Stipes 2nd win over DC is a good one but Jons win over Stipe isnt. Stipe was 38 when he beat 41 yr old DC and Jon was 37 when he beat 42 yr old Stipe. Both DC and Stipe retired after those fights. Atleast Jon managed to finish Stipe in that fight. Either both of those wins are good or both of them are not that great.
@@FirmlyGrasp_IT the Erceg fight was definitely close and genuinely could go either way, but I thought he clearly beat Royval... Maybe not "dominant" but I thought he clearly won 49-46, maybe even 50-45!
@@War-Horse-MMA oh I totally agree that Pantoja won against both Erceg and Royval (comfortably in Royval's case) but he just didn't look like a great fighter in those fights. Like Erceg lost that fight cuz of a stupid takedown attempt and his corner fucking him over, but he was clearly the better fighter in my eyes.
Never fought in the UFC, got finished 3 times in a row by Werdum, Bigfoot Silva and Henderson back when he was still in his prime. The most overrated heavyweight of all time
How do you put merab iver illia, illia is undefeated, he beat 2 guys in you goat list, one of them was nr 4. Merab has beat some great guys but has beat 1 guys out of your list. Who lost his belt 6 years before that and that wasn't an impressive win, he didn't get a takedown and just hugged him for 15 minutes. Also he hasn't even defended his belt.
How can you put Jones at #1? The fact that he got caught multiple times for PEDs, in my opinion this removes him from the #1 spot. Maybe he took PEDs in other fights as well where he didn't get caught. In my opinion right now GSP is #1. And I think Islam can be #1, the greatest fighter of all time. If Islam beats Arman, moves up to WW and beats the champ there, defend his belt twice, I have no problem in putting Islam at #1. No PEDs, stacked resume, dominated in 2 weight divisions.
i dont understand merab on your list no finish potential against old head cejudo and aldo and cant finish one hip o malley you cant glaze stipe for finishing some of his opponenets and also praise merab for going to dec
I don't care about finishing potential... Merab is beating those guys dominantly which makes it just as impressive! It's like he's going to a close split decision against Yan or O'Malley, he's winning those fights 49-46 MINIMUM
@@dat_bean that's fair, he has been treated unfairly and put on a pedestal above everyone, but what he's done in the few years of being in the UFC is unheard of and we may never see a talent like Alex ever again...
Pereira above Silva, Stipe, Khabib, DC wild. For ones who will say Khabib had only 3 defences. He could've had 15. They didnt let him fight for the title.
The worst list I've ever seen by miles. Couture has 9 title wins and was a double champ. Hughes also has 8. They aren't on the list but khabib, makhachev and merab are when they have 4, 4 and 1 title wins. Make it make sense. You don't put effort into actually doing research because you don't care. The real list is 1. Jones 2. St-Pierre 3. Couture 4. Silva 5. Johnson 6. Hughes 7. Cormier 8. Aldo 9. Adesanya 10. Pereira 11. Penn 12. Cejudo 13. Miocic 14. Volkanovski 15. Ortiz
@@War-Horse-MMAI respect all eras by going off title wins and double champ status. You just go "that guy beat that guy and that guy beat that guy". That math doesn't check out and leads to merab being top 15. And if you go off performances. Aspinall should be number 1 but he isn't. Your list is all over the place.
Look man I love Pereira as much as the next guy but putting him at #6 is wild
I don't think it's THAT crazy but I can understand why it looks odd... I just think with what he's achieved in such a short amount of time, beating the best of the best (apart from Big Ank) he's beating everyone and outclassing them all as well!
@@War-Horse-MMA i just dont think you can put a guy with zero grappling who's been gifted extremely favorable matchups that high.
@@War-Horse-MMAhe’s not even top 10 hill and Jiri former champ wins are over rated as shit his Izzy win is 1-1 than the only think he has is Strickland rountree and 41 year old Jan he’s boarder top 15
@@professionalairhead5582good thing it isnt your list man 😰
@@blew4004 what even is the point of this comment? Even if it's not my list i can still critique it.
Knew this list was gonna be horrid had to click! Love this aussie kid I put him on purely to hear him yap not good takes. Keep it up 🇦🇺
U probably think silva top 5
@ Noooo lol he’s not in my top 10
Islam body triangled poirier for essentially the entirety of round 1 (Also had a Kimura submission attempt aswell), don't think Dustin landed a single strike, yet no one considers this a 10-8 to Islam. Khamzat controls Usman for all of round 1 and because of the shock of it everyone scores it a 10-8. Usman could of won that fight in my mind the scoring criteria is so weird sometimes
EXACTLY MY POINT! I'm fine if we score round 1 of Khamzat vs Usman a 10-8, BUT I need to see that same criteria for other fights like Poirier vs Islam as you mentioned!!!
Man I have a bone to pick with Anderson Silva at 13. The man was 38 when he lost to Weidman, how do you count anything after that point? As far as his comp, he faced whoever was there to be faced in his division, don't know what more he could've done.
I mean I’m sorry but his competition just wasn’t good at all. It’s not his fault but the fact is he doesn’t have the names to be higher and he got destroyed in the latter half of his career
@@Jukeboxster it's just the name value... I look at most of Silva's wins and they're just not that impressive... He's still finishing them or making it look easy, but it's like if Islam was to go and defend his belt against guys in the top 11-15, they're not that impressive...
He also popped dirty
@@War-Horse-MMAdude he has beaten many of the same fat pride "legends" Jones did, as well as Forest and Henderson who also beat more of them, all in more spectacular, dominant fashion and without cheating or being bigger
Merab over stipe and silva is craaazy
Merab is on a generational run dude! He's beating the goats and making it look easy!
@War-Horse-MMA I bet you gonna take him off the goat list when umar runs through him. Casual
@behzingasdad I won't, he might drop down to 14th IF he loses but I got Merab beating Umar 49-46 UD
@@War-Horse-MMA who did merab beat? Out of prime Aldo. O malley who's not a wrestle. Cejudo who came out of retirement and moved up a weight class. Petr yan is the only good win
@@War-Horse-MMA then why is he so scared of umar?
Interesting list.
why is 4 failed drug test jones in the number one spot?
I have to keep that same energy for every fighter, Jon tested positive, Silva tested positive, TJ tested positive, I cant be biased in this
@@War-Horse-MMA but jones is number 1 and silva number 13?
@@War-Horse-MMA and gsp and dj didn’t test positive so what about them?
@@War-Horse-MMAyeah and Jones was also allowed to eye poke everyone.
If O'Malley was allowed too he would never lose (how is midget Merab taking him down blind?)
@@penofficial_They're can crusher
Pereira lost to a middleweight while being the biggest weight bully in ufc history. Yes i said weight bully and drained, Pereira fans love to use drained to cope with the fact he got finished
@@alp_mez8598 but he's still 1-1, and then went on to beat the guy that Izzy couldn't...
@War-Horse-MMA Glover fought Jan better then Alex and Ankaliev did. Even so if you look at the quality of his opponents against someone like Dc and Porier you'll see why he's not top 10
@@War-Horse-MMA”beat the guy that Izzy couldn’t.” Like that’s a criteria for greatness. Jan, jiri, jamahal, Khalil are all, Bryce Mitchell and Josh emmet level wins. His only good win is Izzy who isn’t on your list, so put ilia up there while you’re at it.
@@alp_mez8598 And glover got obliterated by Hill and Jiri who Alex Chinned. Pereira is above aldo
@@AutististicSchizo a 43 year old glover. Have you even watched the jiri fight? He was getting his ass handed by a glover before glover made the mistake of jumping a gilly
already know this is gonna be a good video and im 15 seconds in
War Horse dropping a 45 minute video is a real new years eve treat
Have to end 2024 with a BANGER!
DJ and GSP... Then everyone else.
You can't get popped and be a goat. Everything you do is in question. Volkanovski was having a career shaping up to be in the conversation but has had some losses recently despite weird circumstances. Ilia, Islam and Alex seem to be potential future candidates, especially Islam and Alex rn. Good video
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Solid list! Just a few things:
1. Love the Pantoja treatment, he should be more highly regarded than he is by fans
2. Merab has the quality to be bantamweight GOAT. I’d still put Silva over him due to the quantity the spider had before he fell off at 38 years old, but they’re closer than people will admit
3. I love Poatan, but he’s number 10 at best for me (probably 11/12). He’s a very impressive athlete, but he hasn’t fought a stylistic nightmare/bad match up yet (Jan win was kind of, but Ank is a better wrestler). If he beats Big Ank, I’ll
Slide him to 9/10.
4. Not as big of a deal as Volk has the quality, but him and Islam should be switched. Islam has two wins over Volk (2nd win was short notice, but not Islams fault that Volk agreed to a short notice fight), and he has the two back to back greatest wins of all time imo (Prime Charles who was #3 P4P at UFC 280 and Prime Volk who was #1 P4P at UFC 284). Topuria is a a very close second with Volk and Holloway, but the Volk he KOed was a bit compromised from being head kicked KO by Islam back at 294.
5. Top three are perfect, I’m okay with any order of them personally.
That's pretty fair, I could fault any of the comments you made! Appreciate the advice and the comment, love it!!!!
ur talking about the volk win being less good coz he got head kicked before but its the same thing as the short notice islam fight. both events diminished volk but he agreed
This is certainly a youtube video, a good one at that
Goofy MMA UA-cam logic:
1. MMA started in 2016
2. No real criteria so whatever fits the vibe check will be the list
3. Upload video
True lol
I think u should talk about tibau vs khabib too when khabib's name came up (putting aside roid and all)
I agree that I shouldn't mentioned the Tibua fight, I always thought he lost that fight but I knew I'd get a whole lot of shit for that
Swap 1 and 2 and it's a good list
GSP got finished Jones never got close to being finished.
@@mxbblife_mu bro its just the roids, if he didn't take them there would be no discussion but in any other sport cheating for half of your career would eliminate you from the goat conversation
Would not agree with all of the list but what bothers me the most really is gsp not being #1. he the goat and its not close
i think that in a couple of years a loss to jon jones will mean way less than it does today. i mean for dc that’s great many more people will acknowledge the fact that jon was is and will always be a cheater and will place dc higher in the goat list. imo dc should be higher in the list top 5 for me.
I completely agree, I think the most important part is if you include cheating or not in the goat discussion! I always agree that a loss to Jon Jones won't look that back and won't mean much is a couple years when he's retired and we really look at Jones' career and what it really was...
After seeing Merab over Silva I just had to skim through the rest
Fair enough
@ I just don’t see how Merab leg humping 4 good fighters and a bunch of bums for like 10 decision wins in the UFC is better than like 15 title defenses against several HOFers where Silva was completely outclassing and finishing dudes while clowning on them. He was considered top 3 on the planet with the other two goats GSP and Jones for the entirety of his prime. Where as Merab is considered kind of a joke.
Not attacking you or anything man I love your content but dam Silva has become tragically underated. Khabib is in people top 5 for dominating like 4 dudes while Silva over here was catching bodies left and right.
Volkanovski ranked 4th?? Khabib ranked 8th?? Volkanovski's fans seem to have a bit of a victim mentality towards Khabib. When Volkanovski fell into a losing streak after defending up to 5 times, his fans were finally caught up in a sense of victimization towards Khabib and felt great anger along with the raw thought, 'If only Volkanovski had defended 5 times.' I can sense that frustration in your list too. Sometimes, a sense of victimization can lead to errors in objectivity.
Idk if I'm miss reading your comment sorry, but Volk did defend his belt 5 times? I'm not victimising Khabib at all dude, in terms of legacy and wins, Volk is ahead of Khabib. Khabibs legacy is incredible that he left the sport untouched and only lost 3 rounds in his career! However, Khabib's BEST win is Poirier, Volk's best win is Holloway THREE TIMES! Volk hasn't "fallen into a lossing streak" he's lost three times and to some all times greats, went up in weight and put on a hell of a performance against Islam and ALMOST won, got finished in the rematch on short notice, and made a quick turn around to fight the hardest hitting 145er we've ever seen! There's no disrespect in those L's on his record! Both are great, but Volk is just better 🤷♂️
@@War-Horse-MMA Stand your base brother, Volk over Khabib 100%
@@War-Horse-MMA 1. The lightweight division has the largest roster of any division. 2. Volkanovski caught 6 ranked players, and Khabib caught 8 ranked players. 3. Khabib defeated three lightweight fighters ranked inside p4p7. On the other hand, Volk defeated only one player, Holloway. 4. Khabib’s UFC winning streak is longer. 5. The reason Volk had to fight Holloway three times was because he did not have the upper hand. 6. Volk didn't win every round like Khabib did. Khabib is the only person in MMA to remain undefeated until he was ranked #1 in P4P and did not lose a single round on his way to becoming champion.
@@War-Horse-MMA While Volk caught only Holloway, who was not even ranked 7th in P4P, Khabib overwhelmed a total of 3 top P4P rankers who were ranked 2nd in P4P, 7th in P4P, and 7th in P4P at the time.
@@rconcsidwe7079 it's not just about who fought more ranked fighters, it's the LEVELS of the guys he's fighting as well... Volk has a far superior resume, Holloway x3 is better than any win Khabib has, ESPECIALLY THE THIRD FIGHT WHERE HE 50-55d HOLLOWAY!!!! I don't want to say it but Khabib never faced a high level grappler tho, where as Volk faced the best striker of all time and beat him at his game, and had a lot of great moments against Islam on the ground, which a lot of people call Khabib 2.0 but with better striking... Volk was also P4P #1, and I understand that he didn't win every single round of every single fight, I would argue that lossing the first two rounds to Holloway in their second fight, and then COMING BACK AND WINNING THE NEXT 3 is insanely impressive, especially when Holloway gets better as fights go on... Not saying Khabib isn't great, Volk's just better
I think for reyes one it should have been split in favour of reyes (giving it unanimous is just outrageous) only reason i think judges thought jomes won is may be recency bais (as he wan las 2 rounds) or maybe reyes wasn't that accurate
That's fair and pretty reasonable!
Fine list, but how can DC be soooo much above Stipe when he's down 2-1 against him?
I believe the 14-7 spots are literally interchangeable for the most part and you could customise that order every day and I wouldn't be mad at it
I don't think we can be too harsh on Silva for the losses at the end of his career. He sustained one of the worst injuries you can possibly imagine. And before that he lost to Weidman cuz he was so fkn cocky. He did get dominated by Chael and then fluked the first Chael win tho. Definitely some nuance needed when evaluating his career. His title reign is the probably the most iconic reign in UFC history, so fkn fun
@@FirmlyGrasp_IT that's fair. Imo it's like talking about Tony's more recent losses compared to Silva's end of career... I still don't think it warrants him to go higher but I might've definitely been too harsh on those L's
Silva at 13 is crazy, no way
Sorry guuuh
Where tf is Ilia dude
Couldn't fit him in 🤷♂️
I would be up there with the best fighters i reckon, on paper
I'd pick you to beat current Tony Ferguson
@@War-Horse-MMA no i think i might be the counter to ddp because im goofier than him
I think this list is pretty decent but man if ur putting pantoja in there and not topuria I heavily disagree with that.
My only problem with Ilia is he has two incredible wins and that's it... Pantoja has multiple good wins, nothing on the level of Ilia but the quantity of Pantoja's wins imo is better than Ilia's quality! Nothing against Ilia, in one or two wins times he's definitely there
Ilia not being in the top and putting max on #9 is criminal broder
Tbf to aldo, he’s prolly 3/4 years older than his official age.
Islam didn’t lose to m Pantoja he lost to Martins, Islam is in a different weight class than Pantoja.
That's the joke dude...
Pereira was “winning the second Izzy fight” yet was down on all 3 judges scorecards?
The khamzat vs usman fight was clearly khamzat. What are you on about?
I still to this day score it 28-28 OR 29-28 Usman, depending on how you score round 1... Usman 100% won the second and I thought edged the third, clear round 1 to Khamzat BUT if that's a 10-8, I need to see that same energy towards a lot of other rounds like that which gets scored 10-9
@@War-Horse-MMA thats ridiculous, go watch the weasles breakdown, and even if you dont want to, khamzats first round was 100% a 10-8, as for round 3, strikes were near even, but khamzat had takedowns. Khamzat comes in stomps 3-4 guys then goes on to beat Burns and Usman in absolutely BONKERS fights and people go "Meh, he didn't stomp two of the best WW's with ease, not impressed" lol. Not to mention usman was getting 10-8'd till the injury. Expectations for Khamzat are ridiculous.
Poatan above DC? You have Khabib in your top 15?? I mean I guess maybe you could put him in the 15th place but to put him above Usman, Aldo, Holloway and Miocic is INSANE. Also how do you not have Israel Adesanya in your top 15? Honestly one of the worst GOAT lists
That's genuinely one of the worst opinions I've EVER heard! Not having Khabib in top 15 🤣🤣🤣
@@War-Horse-MMA I said im kinda okay with him being in the top 15 but definitely not above these guys like Holloway, Aldo, Usman, Adesanya and Miocic
@@revert5651 I honestly can't back that bro... I hate Khabib as much as the next person but I have to give credit where credit is due and say that Khabib is 1000% above those guys you named
@@War-Horse-MMA everytime a white dude hating on a muslim russian, best believe they are just another racist mma fan. What else is new?
Izzy in top 15 😂 wtf
I mean i guess 'greatness' is subjective, but I just can't see how Peirera can be a top 10 fighter of all time when there are multiple people in his division(s) that would be the betting favorite against him. DC & Jones would be massive favorites over him.
I believe Chael would be a betting favorite, Khamzat (weight class below) is a betting favorite, Ankalaev is a betting favorite. Current Jones in his past hsi prime is so much of a favorite against Peirera that ppl don't even want to see the fight. How can that be ATG fighter?
Once again, greatness is subjective, but if we're going by your metrics, having Peirera there and not having Conor has a top 5 is kinda criminal.
I was with you until you said Conor... I'm picking Big Ank to beat Pereira, I'd also expect all of those guys you named to beat him as well and expect them to be the favourites. However, what he's done in 3 years of being in the UFC is unheard of! We've never seen someone just rise to the top, win two belts, and defend them in that time against the best of the best! I know he hasn't fought Big Ank yet and I'd expect Ank to win, but if Alex wins there sit absolutely no denying him, and I don't think you can right now either with his wins and what he's achieved!
Betting favorite
hendricks gsp was a robbery but johnny hendricks was juiced to oblivion
Silva 13 is crazy
@@Uptheroyals80 it's just his level of competition faced, I know the sports changed but it's moved on so much to where I HAVE to move Silva down to below the top 10
Warhorse could tell me CM Punk is the goat and i would believe him
@@blew4004 B Lew, I love you and want to spend the rest of my life with you
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are we judging by resume or by peak?Because it’s not very clear in your video. Putting Silva on 13th spot just because he’s got a lot losses but not considering how great his resume is?
Khamzat won round 3 come on, 2 minutes of control and pretty close in the striking
It's incredibly close but damage trumps everything, Usman landed the more damaging strikes and outstruck but 9 shots (22 to 13)... Khamzat also went 1-4 on takedowns and yes he did get one, he didn't do enough with it to get credit for it to win the round! Still very close but I always give it to Usman when watching it back
Wtf dude Silva ranked 13th?????????
The fight games moved on
@War-Horse-MMA what abt GSP?
@War-Horse-MMA Merab is absolutely not better than Silva
That guy Timber is 2 wins away to enter the top 5 im telling ya
I mean how can you NOT have that kid in your top 10?
@@ivanov-q4w Timber is too far above these clowns to even be on the list... The jump from Jones to Timber is so massive it's not even worth mentioning!
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Having pereira at #6 is insanity… The list is decent with hot takes being islam at #5 (should be lower) and anderson at #13(should be higher) and jose should be higher too. Not including adesanya in the list is also crazy.
Demetrious Johnson should be below 5.He beat a bunch of trash cans. Other than that a good list
I agree with a lot of your list, but Pereira shouldn’t be top 10. He hasn’t faced any competent grapplers. DC would’ve ragdolled him. Topuria should also be on list.
I wanted to put Ilia in but I just can't when he's got two great wins and that's it... They're incredibly impressive but I can't put him above those guys I mentioned as of right now! The problem with Alex not facing grapplers is there's literally zero grapplers for him to fight at lhw, I believe he's going to go through his whole career without fighting a grappler...
Where are Tuko Tacos, RDR, Anthony Smith, Rodrigo Nascimento, and Lukasz Brezki?
They deserve their own list, they're far too above these guys!
So, Stipes 2nd win over DC is a good one but Jons win over Stipe isnt. Stipe was 38 when he beat 41 yr old DC and Jon was 37 when he beat 42 yr old Stipe. Both DC and Stipe retired after those fights. Atleast Jon managed to finish Stipe in that fight. Either both of those wins are good or both of them are not that great.
CM Punk ahh ranking 💀
nah i lived to see merab ahead of anderson silva you smoked some rotten pot
Merab will beat Umar and become top 10
Francis Ngannou UFC Heavyweight GOAT
I know a win is a win but the way Pantoja is beating SOME of these guys just isn't impressive or dominant and I'm mainly referring to Erceg and Royval
@@FirmlyGrasp_IT the Erceg fight was definitely close and genuinely could go either way, but I thought he clearly beat Royval... Maybe not "dominant" but I thought he clearly won 49-46, maybe even 50-45!
@@War-Horse-MMA oh I totally agree that Pantoja won against both Erceg and Royval (comfortably in Royval's case) but he just didn't look like a great fighter in those fights. Like Erceg lost that fight cuz of a stupid takedown attempt and his corner fucking him over, but he was clearly the better fighter in my eyes.
Where Fedor?
I couldn't fit him in, he could take Stipe's spot but I believe whoever you have as your hw goat can't be top 10...
He never even fought in UFC
Never fought in the UFC, got finished 3 times in a row by Werdum, Bigfoot Silva and Henderson back when he was still in his prime. The most overrated heavyweight of all time
How do you put merab iver illia, illia is undefeated, he beat 2 guys in you goat list, one of them was nr 4. Merab has beat some great guys but has beat 1 guys out of your list. Who lost his belt 6 years before that and that wasn't an impressive win, he didn't get a takedown and just hugged him for 15 minutes. Also he hasn't even defended his belt.
SORRY BUS SILVA AT 13????!!!?!??,???
Volk #4 😂
@@jonathanjay1423 could be number 1, didn't wanna glaze too much 😫
bantamweight goat is a toss-up for me between aljo and merab so idk
Alex at 6 but izzy isn’t even on the list?
I dont even like Izzy but he is easily the top 10 of all time.
How tf merab is on this list☠️ the only two names who are in the bw goat conversation are tj and cruz
How can you put Jones at #1? The fact that he got caught multiple times for PEDs, in my opinion this removes him from the #1 spot. Maybe he took PEDs in other fights as well where he didn't get caught. In my opinion right now GSP is #1. And I think Islam can be #1, the greatest fighter of all time. If Islam beats Arman, moves up to WW and beats the champ there, defend his belt twice, I have no problem in putting Islam at #1. No PEDs, stacked resume, dominated in 2 weight divisions.
They all took peds even gsp
stipe shld be higher and where is ilia
i dont understand merab on your list no finish potential against old head cejudo and aldo and cant finish one hip o malley you cant glaze stipe for finishing some of his opponenets and also praise merab for going to dec
I don't care about finishing potential... Merab is beating those guys dominantly which makes it just as impressive! It's like he's going to a close split decision against Yan or O'Malley, he's winning those fights 49-46 MINIMUM
@@War-Horse-MMA fair enough then where would you put belal muhammid because he is doing the same
Islam lost to pantoja? 🤣🤣🤣
Brendan Schaub mentioned
@@War-Horse-MMAso instead of research we listen to Schaub?
@@passportbrother it's a jokes bro, it's not that deep
Dominick Reyes did not beat Jon Jones He didn't know damage and ran in the championship rounds.
Reyes didn't need the championship rounds, he won the first three...
@War-Horse-MMA Ain't no way Dominick Reyes won round three flat out, it was debatable He was gassing out and Jon Jones was just warming up.
Belal is top 10
@@msio625 Belal top 3!
Who did Islam lose to? 😂😂
The flw goat...
@@War-Horse-MMA Os there an inside joke I'm not aware of?
WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN?
Imo i js dont think Pereira is top 6, the preferential treatment from the company kinda throws me off
@@dat_bean that's fair, he has been treated unfairly and put on a pedestal above everyone, but what he's done in the few years of being in the UFC is unheard of and we may never see a talent like Alex ever again...
Let’s gooooooo 🔥🔥
Damn this is terrible man
Pereira above Silva, Stipe, Khabib, DC wild. For ones who will say Khabib had only 3 defences. He could've had 15. They didnt let him fight for the title.
title defence khabib has same as title defence dc has...both have 3 dc defence againts gus , rumble , volkan
@@JBJ381 DC has two belts
@@War-Horse-MMA yeahh dc resume is better than khabib for sure 👍
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The worst list I've ever seen by miles. Couture has 9 title wins and was a double champ. Hughes also has 8. They aren't on the list but khabib, makhachev and merab are when they have 4, 4 and 1 title wins. Make it make sense. You don't put effort into actually doing research because you don't care.
The real list is
1.
Jones
2.
St-Pierre
3.
Couture
4.
Silva
5.
Johnson
6.
Hughes
7.
Cormier
8.
Aldo
9.
Adesanya
10.
Pereira
11.
Penn
12.
Cejudo
13.
Miocic
14.
Volkanovski
15.
Ortiz
I'm not trying to be rude, that's genuinely one of the WORST lists I've ever seen...
Blud thinks he's cooking 😭😭😭
meds and bed
what a garbage list you did 😅
@@War-Horse-MMAI respect all eras by going off title wins and double champ status. You just go "that guy beat that guy and that guy beat that guy". That math doesn't check out and leads to merab being top 15. And if you go off performances. Aspinall should be number 1 but he isn't.
Your list is all over the place.
Imagine putting DC over Khabib and then Pereira over both. You’re an absolute clown bro. Lmao 🤡
Sorry bro 😞
@ I’m just messing it’s just your opinion 👍
MERAB 12 AHAHAH
PEREIRA 6 AHAHAHAH
KHABIB ONLY 8?? AHAHAH
VOLK>ISLAM??? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA DUDE)))
I put Stipe Miocic above jose aldo Anderson silva.