You know...I'm glad I watched this video. I always ran through the light world so quickly that I didn't pay attention to many small details. But now I see...the light world really doesn't make sense. The architecture of Toriel's house simply does not correspond to reality. The house outside and the house inside are two different houses. A school classroom without chairs...I have never seen anything like this in my life. And Toriel has pet shampoo...for herself...implying it was made by humans. At the same time, there is not a single human in the city except Kris. It would be strange if such shampoo was sold in the city of monsters. Is she buying shampoo from a nearby human city? Or do monsters simply have no production and rely entirely on human goods?
I always thought it was interesting how the prophecy mentions that the heroes only appear after the Earth "draws her final breath." The phrasing almost implies, to me anyway, that we've already lost in a sense
Re: pie in oven, yes if it's a plant based pie you can store it in the oven if your house is cool. I've stored plant based pie in the oven for a week and it's been fine. It's a good solution if you have a household that nibbles pie a bit at a time, and it tastes best not chilled. Saves room in the fridge and keeps the pie sheltered from pets etc.
Yeah my dad sometimes leaves oven things ("pão de queijo") in the oven if we didn't eat at during night so to not let it dry in the fridge and not have to find other recipient
@@kagandizlek3878 I mean... his chapter 1 lore playthrough was over 16 hours long in total, so at this point i'm not surprised one bit. Chapter 2 is even longer so don't be surprised if the entire ch 2 playthrough is 20+ hours long.
Today I learned. If you set Jaru in front of the deltarune title screen unsupervised. He will ramble like he is peering into gaster's abyss, and come to the conclusion that susie is tifa. And now i guess Ralsie might get stabbed in a future chapter by Papayrus
Only Jaru can manage to play an RPG slower than me... this should be fun! Endless content here we goooooo! This man spends twenty minutes on the file select screen. The file select screen. Then, THIRTY FIVE minutes just in the _first room._ Truly this man enjoys Toby Foxes works more than any of us are capable of. Mad respect.
Week 5 of the first part of a series I'll definitely get through in no time: Complete! That detail about interacting with the objects in the classroom is mind blowing. Why would Toby go through the trouble of programming something that small that 99.999% of players will miss? So interesting, I'll definitely try to get that dialogue next time I play
Ooo what if Kris ate the pie because they were actively dying while they were doing their mysterious antics after ch1? You hear the damage sound effect when the soul's ripped out and the pie is a full heal in undertale
Oh, that's an interesting idea. I think it's more likely that's just them being a teenager and being constantly hungry, especially since they've been previously characterized as always eating any sweets they could find, but I really like that idea.
@@pumpkinpartysystem they could have cut it when they first left their room and then just kept cramming it down their throat whenever they got low hp. assuming they are the knight, they would've had to book it across town to the librarby. it's very possible that they got to low hp multiple times on the trip there and back to their room. i don't fully buy the idea that they were eating to heal, but that's an explanation at least.
17:46 I personally think that Kris's personality trait is bravery and that the red soul was planted on them. They're not fearless, but they act regardless when it is needed, the very definition of courage.
Jaru, I think your theories are hilariously insane, but I appreciate your contributions to the community and the videos you make are always a good watch.
Week 1 of the first part of a series I'll definitely get through in no time: 21:35 WHOOOOO CHAPTER 2 I'VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS I LOVE SPENDING TWENTY MINUTES ON THE MAIN MENU THAT'S HOW YOU KNOW IT'S AN A-TIER JARU VIDEO Jaru be spending 20 minutes trying (possibly successfully) to get me to play Final Fantasy
23:57 what i think happened: toriel walked onto kris eating using the knife in the morning(or night, depends on what hour it happened), and screamed because she doesnt want kris to hurt their mouth eating using the knife as a fork or smth, and then the chapter begins after she put kris back to sleep and then later yells at kris
i actually interpretted toriel using pet shampoo as an indicator of the dreemurr family facing financial struggles, cuz when you think about it, toriel has been supporting two kids on a teacher's salary alone since she and asgore separated and only recently did asriel "leave for college", so the pet shampoo could just be cheaper than monster shampoo. also there has to be a market for monster products cuz there's literaly monster medicine, but there could just not be enough of a market for monsters with fur. just my interpretation of that line
i've thought about this too, but there's just no other dialogue to imply that toriel has money problems. there *is* dialogue implying that asgore does, which almost makes it more damning for me. it's a reasonable explanation, but without other proof, it's kinda a moot one. i will personally say, i think the pet shampoo thing is nothing more than a joke, though, considering stuff like the how to raise a human for monster parents book, the gingerbread monster cookie cutters, the giant human movies, and so on pretty much proving that monsters do seem to be a legitimate part of this world outside of hometown.
Okay right off the bat I gotta mention, Ralsei was presumably distracted during the beginning section, he was explicitly building stuff in his spare time. So it’s entirely possible no one was paying attention to the new dark fountain until later. Or could have happened during the school day and no one had gotten the chance to really check. Either way there’s a few different windows where it could have happened and Ralsei could have not noticed.
But he said he SENSED a presence. Even if he wasn't looking at the sky, he'd still feel it. Plus, everyone's outside when Kris and Susie visit, so EVERYONE would see it, Ralsei included, if it was visible at that time.
25:55 piles of Asriel’s dust moment #1 39:46 piles of Asriel’s dust moment #2 44:07 piles of Asriel’s dust moment #3 44:39 piles of Asriel’s dust moment #4 50:47 piles of Asriel’s dust moment #5 54:25 piles of Asriel’s dust moment #6 57:45 piles of Asriel’s dust moment #7 59:05 piles of Asriel’s dust moment #8 1:00:59 piles of Asriel’s dust moment #9 1:36:57 piles of Asriel’s dust moment #10 1:56:48 piles of Asriel’s dust moment #11 2:16:01 Jaru takes drugs 😎 2:22:43 piles of Asriel’s dust moment #12 P.S. To be clear i am joking. I love Jaru consentually.
23:40 the "hey kris, are you awake" makes me imagine this scene where kris is on the floor after closing a dark fountain, but when they come back to the light world the wounds are still there so there's a knife on kris's chest. That would make the noooooooo more plausible, toriel wakes up thinking git was just a dream and when they go to check kris they're actually beaten up, bruised, and have a deep knife wound.
1:06:36 "It's not yet time to wash your hands" Was really expecting Jaru to mention something about the metaphor of washing your hands free of guilt or responsibility
1:32:44 she suspected you two commited crimes to go to jail forever 1:43:00 About the Asriel not being accecible by phone, I really don't have any counter argument, this is definetly very strange
I rarely ever comment on lore videos because I'm sorta scared of people judging my perception of things but I just can't get this out of my head - that little blanket underneath the TV is red and thus doesn't fit into the color scheme of Kris' home at all, I feel like, at least not with the colors in the living room - area. Also it looks a lot like the cape/ascot, Ralsei called it I think, that Kris wears in the dark world. I don't know, this doesn't make any sense at all but it's cute to think that when Asriel and Kris used to play together when they were kids (maybe role-play games) Kris used to either really snatch that blanket and wear it as a cape or they'd imagine themselves wearing it? So the dark world Kris is just what they'd imagine themselves like as a superhero or it's their inner child of some sort (that got hurt when Asriel died & never had the chance to heal) I don't know if that supports the whole 'the dark world is only a game imagined by Asriel and Kris' -theory...But it just came to my mind and I found the thought really cool, even if it's complete nonsense, which well, it probably is🫠 EDIT: The little blanket also looks a lot like Papyrus' scarf and Kris' outfit in the dark world could be interpreted as some sort of battle body I guess...I'm just throwing a bunch of theories together here, my bad😅 A theory I actually believe though is that Undertale is a game that Kris & Asriel played together, I read about it over on reddit & I like the idea :)
20:57 One thing I find noteworthy about Toriel's lines here, is that she doesn't just scream "NO" at the end. Her scream gets cut off by something, as indicated by the numerous dashes following it. So either Kris did something, or some offscreen event occurred, that actually interrupted Toriel there. 1:46:07 Actually, I think the window in Kris's room is extra evidence that Kris actually did spend a notable amount of time soulless, and did more than eat the pie and plug the TV in. The window's dialog directly states that even after a *long night*, the sunrise is still the same. I don't think those two actions alone are enough to constitute a long night.
All the comments about the layout of the house being hard to deduce really hit home. I tried to make the world of Deltarune in Minecraft and gave up after the Dreemurr house.
My man recorded for 2 and a half hours (with breaks probably tbf) while being sick. I love overanalyzing things (I'm analyzing every Ralsei line to prove he's not evil). I'm happy to give you watchtime and engagement.
It's kind of odd how much Noelle still trusts Kris, that she believed them when they told her Susie eats chalk. I don't if that says more about Noelle or Kris.
I love listening to Jarus stuff, barely understand any of it, read angry opinions in the comments and just think “no that’s wrong” and continue to listen to Jarus yapping as if I understand enough to decide whether someone’s theory is right or not
One thing I want to point out, is that for the "call home" also being Toriel's cell phone, there used to be something you could hook up to your home landline that would forward the call to your cell phone. My mom had that set up when I was growing up. Though it's likely just an oversight
8:52 My thought is that they don’t jump in. They WALK in. Just like how Kris and Suzie walk into the first dark world, and then the floor disappears out from under them. And they wake up at the table for the same reason that Kris and Suzie woke up in a different room.
I turned on the video and then went to the kitchen to make some food, and the video played in the background. After about an hour i came back to my bedroom and found that you were still jn Chris' room. I cant begin to express jjst how funny i found this. Full disclosure i reminded all the way to the start and made sure to listen. I know we all joke about how you can ramble, but i wanna just say out loud that i earnestly love this about you.
Just thought of a reason why noelle and berdly went into the dark fountian. They just went into the room thinking a light was off like how susie and kris did.
1:58:30 adding on to this. With all the “water” related terminology that surrounds the fountains, as well as the fact that the party’s level only goes up upon sealing a fountain, there is only one line that seems to reference both water and absorbing power. Isn’t that right you [[Little Sponge??]]
44:35 maybe that side is all gray and sad because Asriel took their things with him to university, and theory insanity aside, maybe Kris is sleeping there because they misses him.
50:35 This is actually leftover code from undertale. This are the default stats in undertale but they get overwritten for the LV 1 stats when you start the game, so i don't think they mean anything. EDIT 51:57 It seems so! In chapter 1, you can talk to Catty about Asriel and she said she went to the prom with him.
Hey Jaru, have you maybe seen the video by Kooki and Haxor debunking some of your theories? I know its not really the most enjoyable type of content to watch as a creator, but I really think they gave some decent counterpoints and advice regarding that stuff
@@JaruJaruJ Well, I wouldn't say it was outright toxic, both of them did clarify that the video was not meant to be an attack in any way They were admittedly harsh at some points, but well, as theorists it made sense for them to correct stuff like logical errors or stuff that wasn't fully factual Again, I get that it having people dig into your theories is not super comfortable, but part of the creative process is also seeing potential bad sides to it. A theory being wrong isn't a bad thing, and seeing what were the potential problems can help us improve our process That's why I recommend at least giving it a try, even if to just make your own opinion about it instead of relying on what other people have to say (including me)
@@woodywas4549 They literally start the video saying something like "We don't mean to attack Jaru... But we're gonna clown on him anyway". You can't say one thing and then do another. It's fine to analyze someone else's content but admittedly they were aiming to be mean and sensational. The worst offender was their point about Asriel and mental health in the second part. They accuse Jaru of spreading misinformation about mental health, even if nowhere in that video does Jaru make any statement about mental health and they acknowledge it but only as a passing "whatever" mention, and then they interject their own interpretation of Flowey's character and pass it as factual. And then like a minute later they make a joke about Jaru's mental health. Not to mention all the wrong corrections (which is most of them), obvious misinterpretations of his points, and middle school level insults.
@@Quinhala11 Making fun of somebody because of their mislead reasoning isn't the same a personal attack And as for mental health, they did specify that it probably wasn't intentional on Jaru's part. Either way, assuming "More trauma = more evil" and misusing terms like a socipath is still.. i dunno, a bit insensetive if you think about it for like, a minute or two? Not to mention that it's just wrong, Flowey and Asriel have specific reasoning for being the way they are and just calling it a "trauma spectrum" is not a good way to portray it. And as for the joke, If you mean the "I'm sorry for what experiences lead you do think being an Adult is all about depression" thing, yeah, I agree the implication of that one line is.. not great to say the least. Though at first I understood it as a comment about the media he consumed rather than personal stuff, but fair point. Also, what assumptions have they made that were wrong? None of them were exactly far-fetched imo, and they gave pretty good evidence for stuff like Spade King knowing the prophecy or things being different between games, so i'm curious what they said that was outright false
Saying Cloud is androgynous had me laughing there for a solid few minutes. Loved the video Jaru, looking foward to more from you whatever type of video you put out. Whether it's a mad scientist theory, overanalyzing a spider donut, or another playthrough I'll be there
It's funny, chapter 1 uses the same "your name is" thing as Undertale's "my name is". In Undertale, it was Asriel. Could be the same in Deltarune, Toby coming right up to the line of straight up telling you the twist yet again. Also, what if the "kris is that a knife" bit is actually *also* something Asriel said, and not Toriel? It sounds like Toriel's voice, but if Asriel is older, he could have a voice that sounds more like Toriel's or Asgore's. You'd think it was more like Asgore's, but Asriel is in choir, so it's possible as he was going through puberty he trained his voice to be able to keep doing higher pitches, or his voice just might naturally not be as deep as Asgore's. If it was Asriel, that might be related to the stain?
loved your theory about the asriel and kris room! I think another thing that contributes to asriel side being right is that kris's LOVE is 1 meaning that he hasnt tortured anyone for sure
Me at the start of the video: "Finally, Jaru is continuing his lorethrough!!! I've been waiting for this for months ever since I watched the first part!" 😃 Me, 20 minutes later: "Why is he still on the title screen?" 🥲
WOO HERE WE GO!!! I’ve watched the chapter 1 playthrough an outrageous number of times given its length, and I’m so excited to see what you have to say this time!
Does any monster in undertale reference needing to bathe? It doesn't make sense that they'd need to if they're made of magic. Toriel getting a gallon of pet shampoo might lend credence to you're "monsters can bleed now" theory
oh god, there really are no chairs in the classroom. maybe it's because the monsters' body types are all so diverse, it would be near impossible to accommodate for all of them? that would also explain berdly standing on top of his desk, since the monsters would all have different body language and norms and such
I absolutely love this level of digging deeper and discussion and theorising, with every little detail being analyzed :> It scratches my brain real good, thank you for making this series!!
The point about "call home" changing to "call toriel" indicates that the interface doesn't have to show all the phone numbers kris knows. Which weakens the argument about asriel not being reachable by phone a bit.
MY CHAPTER 3-7 PREDICTIONS + KNIGHT THEORY CHAPTER 3 * Tenna (TV Guy) * Secret Boss: Mike (Off-Camera Boom Mike Which is broken and thrown away) * Worlds are city (Suziezilla!!), The weather, & a cooking channel * Tenna betrays the fun gang and wants to film their death for content * Toriel, Napstablook & Undyne are there CHAPTER 4 * Light-world focused * Go to the Holiday house and learn more about the Holidays + Dess' dissapearance. * Open a secret dark world in Dess' room and it leads to a Christmas-themed lightner where a Elf on the Shelf who looks like Dess is the hidden/main boss. CHAPTER 5 * Toriel, Kris, Suzie, Asgore, Mr. & Mrs. Holiday go to church with Pastor Alvin * A Dark fountain is opened in the confession booth and everyone goes in * You learn more about the Knight, and find out that both Asriel and Dess are trapped in a Dark World somewhere. Kris knew Asriel was going missing and he told Kris to cover for him until he came back. Kris opened the Ch. 3 Dark World to look for Asriel, and wanted help from Toriel & the police to find him. He is not in that dark world * The person crying for help in the code is Asriel CHAPTER 6 * Toriel, Suzie, Noelle, & Kris search Hometown and open many mini-dark worlds in hopes of finding Asriel, Dess, and/or the Knight. * Find multiple Shadow Crystals and make a weapon/tool to find them. (You get the true ending and a special weapon if you have beaten all of the hidden bosses, or did the Weird route.) * Open the Dark World in the bunker. Chapter Ends CHAPTER 7 * Explore an abandoned dark world that's science themed, and you find Asriel. He tells you that he was going to run away with Dess in the dark world because they were upset with their lives but they got stuck. * They explore the dark world and find Dess, but the knight prevents them. * Turns out that Rudy didn't have cancer but was horribly wounded in the dark world. Mayor Holiday (The Knight) was opening dark worlds to find a cure and free Dess. * They have to fight Mayor Holiday, let Rudy die, and leave Asriel and Dess in the Dark World, they close the fountain with all of the characters in the fountain and cause The Roaring. * Dragon Blazers is based off the Dark World Mr. & Mrs. Holday explored together. * The timeline is reset once they close the fountain in the dark world and they have repeat the cycle over and over again. The only ones who know about the loop are Seam, Jevil, Spamton, Mike, Elf Dess, Fallen Angel (Secret Boss of Church), The Knight, Dess, Asriel, & Ralsei.
About Kris being number 3, when you meet Noelle in ch1, she asks if you need help with project and that she prepared some ideas already. Maybe Kris is like berdly, getting help from Noelle?
Unlikely i think, because noelle keeps referring to kris as "childhood friend", which means that they haven't been that close to eachother (i assume) since dess' disappearance.
1:09:27 Maybe Kris doesn't mention any of the magical stuff because they were brought up in a monster family and none of that simple everyday magic(like using fire magic to bake pies) is nothing new to them. For Frisk, it would be the opposite as they've never seen monsters/magic before, therefore point it out while making descriptions. Just a thought I had while watching!
Damn, this video just makes my head burst with theories/assumptions I need to rewatch it to give a full comment, but...noticed how from around 2:07:30 everything Ralsei says to Kris is in brackets ?
I wonder if Susie wanting to "use the hammer" in crochet could be a reference to the knight. It might just be coincidence since it seems to be referencing croquet, but you never know with Toby.
I'd like to bring up the fact that the earth is referred to as female, and then there's also the OST named "But The Earth Refused To Die." Which also contains a heartbeat, and plays when fighting a female character, a character who will most likely be involved later with Undyne. You might bring this up later but I'm only 30 minutes in 😭
I actually have sort of an explanation for why Noelle and Ralsei level up the way they do that I'll be including in part 2 of Variable Angel Theory once I finish writing that. I think it's related to Kris's unique soul, actually. If you'd like to hear it early though, I'd be happy to share! Just let me know.
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Jaru is an S-tier yapper. Prove me wrong.
he is my favorite yapper (i cannot prove you wrong)
He's s tier for a reason
id argue he aint a yapper, but a deep philosopher, he is S-tier though.
Nah S+
Q.E.D
That's why I follow him actually. He's been one the first area, for 1 month.
You know...I'm glad I watched this video. I always ran through the light world so quickly that I didn't pay attention to many small details. But now I see...the light world really doesn't make sense. The architecture of Toriel's house simply does not correspond to reality. The house outside and the house inside are two different houses.
A school classroom without chairs...I have never seen anything like this in my life. And Toriel has pet shampoo...for herself...implying it was made by humans. At the same time, there is not a single human in the city except Kris. It would be strange if such shampoo was sold in the city of monsters. Is she buying shampoo from a nearby human city? Or do monsters simply have no production and rely entirely on human goods?
@34:27-34:40 "Kris doesn't eat the moss" = Darkest timeline!
I always thought it was interesting how the prophecy mentions that the heroes only appear after the Earth "draws her final breath." The phrasing almost implies, to me anyway, that we've already lost in a sense
Re: pie in oven, yes if it's a plant based pie you can store it in the oven if your house is cool. I've stored plant based pie in the oven for a week and it's been fine. It's a good solution if you have a household that nibbles pie a bit at a time, and it tastes best not chilled. Saves room in the fridge and keeps the pie sheltered from pets etc.
Yeah my dad sometimes leaves oven things ("pão de queijo") in the oven if we didn't eat at during night so to not let it dry in the fridge and not have to find other recipient
Me: This video is suspiciously short
*checks where video ends* 💀💀
he isnt even in the library?????? wtf Jaru
@@kagandizlek3878 Too many ponderances to be had along the way, the fact that he even got that far is astonishing. Quite an accomplishment!
@@kagandizlek3878 I mean... his chapter 1 lore playthrough was over 16 hours long in total, so at this point i'm not surprised one bit.
Chapter 2 is even longer so don't be surprised if the entire ch 2 playthrough is 20+ hours long.
@@jupitersky it's an actual speedrun coming from jaru.
we're eating good tonight
We are sleeping good tonigh! (I always play some youtube videos in the background while I'm falling asleep)
Ayooooooo!!
@@wscamel226you will see piles of asriel dust in your dreams💀
Today I learned. If you set Jaru in front of the deltarune title screen unsupervised. He will ramble like he is peering into gaster's abyss, and come to the conclusion that susie is tifa. And now i guess Ralsie might get stabbed in a future chapter by Papayrus
**i ate a cat**
@@Avysilvasan You make me want to cry. That's (In my opinion) kind of cruel. But even so, I do respect YOUR opinion.
*i will eat another*
Veni, veni, venias
Ne memori facias
@@Avysilvasanpls don't, it's unhealthy for cats to be eaten :(
Jaru is the only person I know who can find a way to talk for 20 minutes before actually starting the game
I actually thought you were exaggerating but nope, he actually took 20 minutes to start haha
Lmao that’s nothing, one streamer I watch talked for 3 hours before getting to the content, it’s iconic behavior tbh
He talked for 56 minutes before he left the first room 😂
also, Totalbiscuit, God rest his soul
Only Jaru can manage to play an RPG slower than me... this should be fun! Endless content here we goooooo!
This man spends twenty minutes on the file select screen. The file select screen.
Then, THIRTY FIVE minutes just in the _first room._
Truly this man enjoys Toby Foxes works more than any of us are capable of. Mad respect.
I love how everytime you see a double meaning in the dialogues, his asriel is dead theory becomes more accurate!
Seems like it also could just be falling victim to confirmation bias.
i like how it took you over double the chapter 2 speedrun time just to get to the library
(i mean this sincerely, i really appreciate your attention to detail)
Technically it took over 50 times because the speedrun gets there extremely fast because they sleep at the bed and teleport to the dark world
@@Immrfennel i meant that in the time that a speedrunner could complete chapter 2 twice, jaru didnt even reach the cyber world yet
Aaaaah now I get it 😂😂😂😂 thank you
deltarune Slowrun (WR) 1st Place Winner Victory Flawless 102% No-Hit No Jumping No Camera Turning No Input S-Rank Egg
Week 5 of the first part of a series I'll definitely get through in no time: Complete!
That detail about interacting with the objects in the classroom is mind blowing. Why would Toby go through the trouble of programming something that small that 99.999% of players will miss? So interesting, I'll definitely try to get that dialogue next time I play
Ooo what if Kris ate the pie because they were actively dying while they were doing their mysterious antics after ch1?
You hear the damage sound effect when the soul's ripped out and the pie is a full heal in undertale
Oh, that's an interesting idea. I think it's more likely that's just them being a teenager and being constantly hungry, especially since they've been previously characterized as always eating any sweets they could find, but I really like that idea.
yeah but in undertale you only need one slice of pie for a full heal
@@pumpkinpartysystem they could have cut it when they first left their room and then just kept cramming it down their throat whenever they got low hp. assuming they are the knight, they would've had to book it across town to the librarby. it's very possible that they got to low hp multiple times on the trip there and back to their room. i don't fully buy the idea that they were eating to heal, but that's an explanation at least.
1:12:44 dude takes a few days to walk down the stairs again
17:46 I personally think that Kris's personality trait is bravery and that the red soul was planted on them. They're not fearless, but they act regardless when it is needed, the very definition of courage.
The Game Over Theme is called ' Faint *Courage* '
2.5h = Castle Town. Makes sense.
Jaru, I think your theories are hilariously insane, but I appreciate your contributions to the community and the videos you make are always a good watch.
Week 1 of the first part of a series I'll definitely get through in no time: 21:35
WHOOOOO CHAPTER 2 I'VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS
I LOVE SPENDING TWENTY MINUTES ON THE MAIN MENU THAT'S HOW YOU KNOW IT'S AN A-TIER JARU VIDEO
Jaru be spending 20 minutes trying (possibly successfully) to get me to play Final Fantasy
23:57 what i think happened: toriel walked onto kris eating using the knife in the morning(or night, depends on what hour it happened), and screamed because she doesnt want kris to hurt their mouth eating using the knife as a fork or smth, and then the chapter begins after she put kris back to sleep and then later yells at kris
i actually interpretted toriel using pet shampoo as an indicator of the dreemurr family facing financial struggles, cuz when you think about it, toriel has been supporting two kids on a teacher's salary alone since she and asgore separated and only recently did asriel "leave for college", so the pet shampoo could just be cheaper than monster shampoo. also there has to be a market for monster products cuz there's literaly monster medicine, but there could just not be enough of a market for monsters with fur. just my interpretation of that line
i've thought about this too, but there's just no other dialogue to imply that toriel has money problems. there *is* dialogue implying that asgore does, which almost makes it more damning for me. it's a reasonable explanation, but without other proof, it's kinda a moot one.
i will personally say, i think the pet shampoo thing is nothing more than a joke, though, considering stuff like the how to raise a human for monster parents book, the gingerbread monster cookie cutters, the giant human movies, and so on pretty much proving that monsters do seem to be a legitimate part of this world outside of hometown.
17:50 "Susie is Tifa, Ralsei is Aerith."
We're witnessing levels of Hiatus Brain previously unheard of.
FINALLY the theory king graces us with his Ch.2 playthrough. I can't wait to watch!
Okay right off the bat I gotta mention, Ralsei was presumably distracted during the beginning section, he was explicitly building stuff in his spare time. So it’s entirely possible no one was paying attention to the new dark fountain until later. Or could have happened during the school day and no one had gotten the chance to really check. Either way there’s a few different windows where it could have happened and Ralsei could have not noticed.
But he said he SENSED a presence. Even if he wasn't looking at the sky, he'd still feel it. Plus, everyone's outside when Kris and Susie visit, so EVERYONE would see it, Ralsei included, if it was visible at that time.
it has ARRIVED! in the time between the lore playthroughs, i have went from a jaru denier to a full jaru believer
25:55 piles of Asriel’s dust moment #1
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2:16:01 Jaru takes drugs 😎
2:22:43 piles of Asriel’s dust moment #12
P.S. To be clear i am joking. I love Jaru consentually.
piles of asriel's dust...
Lmao
23:40 the "hey kris, are you awake" makes me imagine this scene where kris is on the floor after closing a dark fountain, but when they come back to the light world the wounds are still there so there's a knife on kris's chest.
That would make the noooooooo more plausible, toriel wakes up thinking git was just a dream and when they go to check kris they're actually beaten up, bruised, and have a deep knife wound.
1:06:36 "It's not yet time to wash your hands" Was really expecting Jaru to mention something about the metaphor of washing your hands free of guilt or responsibility
Fun fact: the two weather people in chapter 3: elnina and lanino are based of of the real world climate events of La Niña and El Niño
The irl things are el nino and la nina
@@Quinhala11 thanks
el nino? You mean that thing that makes Brazil experience storms because of climate change?
@@wscamel226 read this
oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/ninonina.html
@@wscamel226it always made them experience storms, but climate change is messing it up so it is less predictable and more chaotic
The long awaited lore playthrough is finally here!!!!!!
Thank you for your playthrough and perspective, it really is like seeing everything in these chapters for the first time!
1:32:44 she suspected you two commited crimes to go to jail forever
1:43:00 About the Asriel not being accecible by phone, I really don't have any counter argument, this is definetly very strange
Week 4 of the first part of a series I'll definitely get through in no time: 2:05:35
I rarely ever comment on lore videos because I'm sorta scared of people judging my perception of things but I just can't get this out of my head - that little blanket underneath the TV is red and thus doesn't fit into the color scheme of Kris' home at all, I feel like, at least not with the colors in the living room - area. Also it looks a lot like the cape/ascot, Ralsei called it I think, that Kris wears in the dark world.
I don't know, this doesn't make any sense at all but it's cute to think that when Asriel and Kris used to play together when they were kids (maybe role-play games) Kris used to either really snatch that blanket and wear it as a cape or they'd imagine themselves wearing it? So the dark world Kris is just what they'd imagine themselves like as a superhero or it's their inner child of some sort (that got hurt when Asriel died & never had the chance to heal) I don't know if that supports the whole 'the dark world is only a game imagined by Asriel and Kris' -theory...But it just came to my mind and I found the thought really cool, even if it's complete nonsense, which well, it probably is🫠
EDIT: The little blanket also looks a lot like Papyrus' scarf and Kris' outfit in the dark world could be interpreted as some sort of battle body I guess...I'm just throwing a bunch of theories together here, my bad😅 A theory I actually believe though is that Undertale is a game that Kris & Asriel played together, I read about it over on reddit & I like the idea :)
Week 2 of the first part of a series I'll definitely get through in no time: 1:00:33
20:57 One thing I find noteworthy about Toriel's lines here, is that she doesn't just scream "NO" at the end. Her scream gets cut off by something, as indicated by the numerous dashes following it. So either Kris did something, or some offscreen event occurred, that actually interrupted Toriel there.
1:46:07 Actually, I think the window in Kris's room is extra evidence that Kris actually did spend a notable amount of time soulless, and did more than eat the pie and plug the TV in. The window's dialog directly states that even after a *long night*, the sunrise is still the same. I don't think those two actions alone are enough to constitute a long night.
Good point on the first one. I don't think it's possible that Kris or someone using their body attacked toriel.
All the comments about the layout of the house being hard to deduce really hit home. I tried to make the world of Deltarune in Minecraft and gave up after the Dreemurr house.
Omg I LOVE the magic comes from the underground/core theory!!!
My man recorded for 2 and a half hours (with breaks probably tbf) while being sick. I love overanalyzing things (I'm analyzing every Ralsei line to prove he's not evil). I'm happy to give you watchtime and engagement.
You absolutely made my day with this Jaru 🙏
1:20:50 It's just an Umriss reference, no need to read too much into it
It's kind of odd how much Noelle still trusts Kris, that she believed them when they told her Susie eats chalk. I don't if that says more about Noelle or Kris.
1:42:50 WE'RE BRINGING ASRIEL BACK FROM THE DEAD WITH THIS ONE
13:19 It’s talking about the dark world. That’s why it says “At world’s edge.”
I love listening to Jarus stuff, barely understand any of it, read angry opinions in the comments and just think “no that’s wrong” and continue to listen to Jarus yapping as if I understand enough to decide whether someone’s theory is right or not
One thing I want to point out, is that for the "call home" also being Toriel's cell phone, there used to be something you could hook up to your home landline that would forward the call to your cell phone. My mom had that set up when I was growing up.
Though it's likely just an oversight
8:52 My thought is that they don’t jump in. They WALK in. Just like how Kris and Suzie walk into the first dark world, and then the floor disappears out from under them. And they wake up at the table for the same reason that Kris and Suzie woke up in a different room.
I turned on the video and then went to the kitchen to make some food, and the video played in the background. After about an hour i came back to my bedroom and found that you were still jn Chris' room. I cant begin to express jjst how funny i found this. Full disclosure i reminded all the way to the start and made sure to listen.
I know we all joke about how you can ramble, but i wanna just say out loud that i earnestly love this about you.
Just thought of a reason why noelle and berdly went into the dark fountian. They just went into the room thinking a light was off like how susie and kris did.
1:58:30 adding on to this. With all the “water” related terminology that surrounds the fountains, as well as the fact that the party’s level only goes up upon sealing a fountain, there is only one line that seems to reference both water and absorbing power. Isn’t that right you [[Little Sponge??]]
27:50 - or maybe Chara was also present in this timeline way back in the past, died and so now Toriel wears that heart locker?
i wonder- do boss monsters still live for like forever in deltarune? because of the lack of magic boss monsters might literally not exist
As much as i dislike your interpretations of the story , I'm really glad you are a part of this community Jaru. Cant wait for part 2.
it's been almost 2 years since the first one but i'm happy it's finally here!
44:35 maybe that side is all gray and sad because Asriel took their things with him to university, and theory insanity aside, maybe Kris is sleeping there because they misses him.
50:35 This is actually leftover code from undertale.
This are the default stats in undertale but they get overwritten for the LV 1 stats when you start the game, so i don't think they mean anything.
EDIT 51:57 It seems so! In chapter 1, you can talk to Catty about Asriel and she said she went to the prom with him.
Hey Jaru, have you maybe seen the video by Kooki and Haxor debunking some of your theories?
I know its not really the most enjoyable type of content to watch as a creator, but I really think they gave some decent counterpoints and advice regarding that stuff
Nah. I was told it was just some spiteful toxic stuff that I shouldn't watch.
@@JaruJaruJ Well, I wouldn't say it was outright toxic, both of them did clarify that the video was not meant to be an attack in any way
They were admittedly harsh at some points, but well, as theorists it made sense for them to correct stuff like logical errors or stuff that wasn't fully factual
Again, I get that it having people dig into your theories is not super comfortable, but part of the creative process is also seeing potential bad sides to it.
A theory being wrong isn't a bad thing, and seeing what were the potential problems can help us improve our process
That's why I recommend at least giving it a try, even if to just make your own opinion about it instead of relying on what other people have to say (including me)
@@woodywas4549
They literally start the video saying something like "We don't mean to attack Jaru... But we're gonna clown on him anyway". You can't say one thing and then do another.
It's fine to analyze someone else's content but admittedly they were aiming to be mean and sensational.
The worst offender was their point about Asriel and mental health in the second part. They accuse Jaru of spreading misinformation about mental health, even if nowhere in that video does Jaru make any statement about mental health and they acknowledge it but only as a passing "whatever" mention, and then they interject their own interpretation of Flowey's character and pass it as factual.
And then like a minute later they make a joke about Jaru's mental health.
Not to mention all the wrong corrections (which is most of them), obvious misinterpretations of his points, and middle school level insults.
@@Quinhala11 Making fun of somebody because of their mislead reasoning isn't the same a personal attack
And as for mental health, they did specify that it probably wasn't intentional on Jaru's part. Either way, assuming "More trauma = more evil" and misusing terms like a socipath is still.. i dunno, a bit insensetive if you think about it for like, a minute or two?
Not to mention that it's just wrong, Flowey and Asriel have specific reasoning for being the way they are and just calling it a "trauma spectrum" is not a good way to portray it.
And as for the joke, If you mean the "I'm sorry for what experiences lead you do think being an Adult is all about depression" thing, yeah, I agree the implication of that one line is.. not great to say the least. Though at first I understood it as a comment about the media he consumed rather than personal stuff, but fair point.
Also, what assumptions have they made that were wrong? None of them were exactly far-fetched imo, and they gave pretty good evidence for stuff like Spade King knowing the prophecy or things being different between games, so i'm curious what they said that was outright false
Can't wait for parts 2 through 99!
i finished watching chapter one lore playthrough today. i am incredibly happy rn
Saying Cloud is androgynous had me laughing there for a solid few minutes. Loved the video Jaru, looking foward to more from you whatever type of video you put out. Whether it's a mad scientist theory, overanalyzing a spider donut, or another playthrough I'll be there
Thank you! x)
2:12:05 maybe dark worlds are like sanctuaries in earthbound.
5:11 bruh how did it take Jaru that long to beat chapter 1 💀
I think it's the file from his CH1 playthrough and he left the game open without playing for hours/days/weeks?
@@Quinhala11 probably
It's funny, chapter 1 uses the same "your name is" thing as Undertale's "my name is". In Undertale, it was Asriel. Could be the same in Deltarune, Toby coming right up to the line of straight up telling you the twist yet again.
Also, what if the "kris is that a knife" bit is actually *also* something Asriel said, and not Toriel? It sounds like Toriel's voice, but if Asriel is older, he could have a voice that sounds more like Toriel's or Asgore's. You'd think it was more like Asgore's, but Asriel is in choir, so it's possible as he was going through puberty he trained his voice to be able to keep doing higher pitches, or his voice just might naturally not be as deep as Asgore's. If it was Asriel, that might be related to the stain?
loved your theory about the asriel and kris room! I think another thing that contributes to asriel side being right is that kris's LOVE is 1 meaning that he hasnt tortured anyone for sure
Me at the start of the video: "Finally, Jaru is continuing his lorethrough!!! I've been waiting for this for months ever since I watched the first part!" 😃
Me, 20 minutes later: "Why is he still on the title screen?" 🥲
12:45 - just stop. Everybody knows already, deep down in their hearts, that the Roaring Knight is really just Rouxl Kaard
RK
WOO HERE WE GO!!! I’ve watched the chapter 1 playthrough an outrageous number of times given its length, and I’m so excited to see what you have to say this time!
Does any monster in undertale reference needing to bathe? It doesn't make sense that they'd need to if they're made of magic.
Toriel getting a gallon of pet shampoo might lend credence to you're "monsters can bleed now" theory
Papyrus QnA confirms undertale monsters bathe
@@superlagbro192 He also says he showers in Undertale main game
29:44 As a baker, usually I take the pie out of the oven when it's ready.
oh god, there really are no chairs in the classroom. maybe it's because the monsters' body types are all so diverse, it would be near impossible to accommodate for all of them? that would also explain berdly standing on top of his desk, since the monsters would all have different body language and norms and such
1:51:17 that or she’s okay with polyamory just as long as berdly isn’t involved
I absolutely love this level of digging deeper and discussion and theorising, with every little detail being analyzed :> It scratches my brain real good, thank you for making this series!!
The point about "call home" changing to "call toriel" indicates that the interface doesn't have to show all the phone numbers kris knows. Which weakens the argument about asriel not being reachable by phone a bit.
Frisk when you control their soul: "k"
Kris when you control their soul: "Nah. Imma do my own thing."
MY CHAPTER 3-7 PREDICTIONS + KNIGHT THEORY
CHAPTER 3
* Tenna (TV Guy)
* Secret Boss: Mike (Off-Camera Boom Mike Which is broken and thrown away)
* Worlds are city (Suziezilla!!), The weather, & a cooking channel
* Tenna betrays the fun gang and wants to film their death for content
* Toriel, Napstablook & Undyne are there
CHAPTER 4
* Light-world focused
* Go to the Holiday house and learn more about the Holidays + Dess' dissapearance.
* Open a secret dark world in Dess' room and it leads to a Christmas-themed lightner where a Elf on the Shelf who looks like Dess is the hidden/main boss.
CHAPTER 5
* Toriel, Kris, Suzie, Asgore, Mr. & Mrs. Holiday go to church with Pastor Alvin
* A Dark fountain is opened in the confession booth and everyone goes in
* You learn more about the Knight, and find out that both Asriel and Dess are trapped in a Dark World somewhere. Kris knew Asriel was going missing and he told Kris to cover for him until he came back. Kris opened the Ch. 3 Dark World to look for Asriel, and wanted help from Toriel & the police to find him. He is not in that dark world
* The person crying for help in the code is Asriel
CHAPTER 6
* Toriel, Suzie, Noelle, & Kris search Hometown and open many mini-dark worlds in hopes of finding Asriel, Dess, and/or the Knight.
* Find multiple Shadow Crystals and make a weapon/tool to find them. (You get the true ending and a special weapon if you have beaten all of the hidden bosses, or did the Weird route.)
* Open the Dark World in the bunker. Chapter Ends
CHAPTER 7
* Explore an abandoned dark world that's science themed, and you find Asriel. He tells you that he was going to run away with Dess in the dark world because they were upset with their lives but they got stuck.
* They explore the dark world and find Dess, but the knight prevents them.
* Turns out that Rudy didn't have cancer but was horribly wounded in the dark world. Mayor Holiday (The Knight) was opening dark worlds to find a cure and free Dess.
* They have to fight Mayor Holiday, let Rudy die, and leave Asriel and Dess in the Dark World, they close the fountain with all of the characters in the fountain and cause The Roaring.
* Dragon Blazers is based off the Dark World Mr. & Mrs. Holday explored together.
* The timeline is reset once they close the fountain in the dark world and they have repeat the cycle over and over again. The only ones who know about the loop are Seam, Jevil, Spamton, Mike, Elf Dess, Fallen Angel (Secret Boss of Church), The Knight, Dess, Asriel, & Ralsei.
what about Lanino and Elnina?
36:33
Toby: **taking notes**
Can't wait for "KRIS IS CLOUD" theory
More excited for KRIS IS A CLOUD
just as i was about to eat! thank you for being my mandatory youtube video to watch today im happy to watch you talk about pixels in game👍
About Kris being number 3, when you meet Noelle in ch1, she asks if you need help with project and that she prepared some ideas already. Maybe Kris is like berdly, getting help from Noelle?
Unlikely i think, because noelle keeps referring to kris as "childhood friend", which means that they haven't been that close to eachother (i assume) since dess' disappearance.
JARU DROPPED THE PLAYTHROUGH AAAAAAAA
Me every time Jaru uploads a video:
"Alright, lets see how long this one is"
This one’s ten minutes comparatively 😂
Im jaruing so hard rn
hot
1:09:27 Maybe Kris doesn't mention any of the magical stuff because they were brought up in a monster family and none of that simple everyday magic(like using fire magic to bake pies) is nothing new to them. For Frisk, it would be the opposite as they've never seen monsters/magic before, therefore point it out while making descriptions.
Just a thought I had while watching!
We are so fucking back
sometimes i forget that asriel is dead to you.
YEAHHH BAYBEEEE THAT’S WHAT I BEEN WAITING FOR THATS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT
Damn, this video just makes my head burst with theories/assumptions I need to rewatch it to give a full comment, but...noticed how from around 2:07:30 everything Ralsei says to Kris is in brackets ?
Mmm I needed this today. 😊Hope you feel better soon, Jaru, and thanks for putting this out even though you’re sick!
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I enjoyed this! It's good to hear from you!
I wonder if Susie wanting to "use the hammer" in crochet could be a reference to the knight. It might just be coincidence since it seems to be referencing croquet, but you never know with Toby.
I'd like to bring up the fact that the earth is referred to as female, and then there's also the OST named "But The Earth Refused To Die." Which also contains a heartbeat, and plays when fighting a female character, a character who will most likely be involved later with Undyne.
You might bring this up later but I'm only 30 minutes in 😭
Jaru Friday upload. Let’s. Go.
1:47:11 - 1:47:31 MY FAVOURITE COMMENTARY EVER I THINK HAHAHAGAUSHHGSC THATS SO FUNNY TO ME
HELL YEAH! OH MAGNETS
Can we talk about how the time shown on the save points implies he’s been on this save file for over 150 hours.
I actually have sort of an explanation for why Noelle and Ralsei level up the way they do that I'll be including in part 2 of Variable Angel Theory once I finish writing that. I think it's related to Kris's unique soul, actually. If you'd like to hear it early though, I'd be happy to share! Just let me know.
Will be eagerly awaiting part 2!!!!!!
This was fantastic, can't wait for the next one!
25:00 Or maybe Kris was about to stab the Earth and create a dark fountain...? :)
I was waiting for a 10 hour long video but i dont care HELL YEAHH!🎉