I somehow forgot to discuss "Man"! So here's my thoughts on it: I find this song extremely fascinating, as although it's only about 11 seconds long, it stands out as being stylistically distinct from everything else. The motif it has seems completely unique, with no clear connections to any other leitmotifs, which is bizarre and fascinating. It makes me think that this is a small fragment of a larger theme and that this person is almost certainly NOT Gaster. Gaster's theme is plastered all over this game, yet this song seems to be devoid of it. This makes me think that, at the very least, this "Man" is not the same person from "Another HIm." It may be a different Gaster, it may be the Everyman, or it may be someone completely different. I sincerely have no idea, but it's absolutely fascinating! As for where I'd rate it, it's a very basic track that's not very fun to listen to, so I'd probably put it above Cliffs but below The Chase. Hopefully I don't have to edit in my thoughts on any other missed songs. xD Edit: Also, yes, my internal logic for what each tier consists of changes over the course of the video. That's just how Tier Lists are for me. I start with some vague logic, then that logic evolves into something more nuanced as I get a better grasp of what it is I actually value. Things like "This is a song that anybody can love" quickly stopped being relevant as I realized I don't care what other people think, I'm rating this based off what I think. So, yeah. The curse of having no script! xD Edit2: So! Turns out there's the "Determination" Leitmotif within Rude Buster, and Rude Buster's theme is also found in Lantern! This actually changes my mind on my placement of both of these, at least a little, as this brings up a whole pile of new connotations! So, first off, what are the implications of Determination being in Rude Buster? Well, Determination as a concept is very important in these games, and the main way you express your Determination, whether violently or through pacifism, is via combat encounters. You notably only hear the original Determination song during a Game Over, emphasizing it's connection to conflict and combat. So, thanks to its connection to combat, it adds up that it would appear in the combat theme of DR. Furthermore, Rude Buster is specifically tied to Susie, which not also emphasizes her violence, but also tied her will specifically up with Determination. This, in my opinion, is some really cool character building! The idea that Susie, not Kris, may be the one who is the most filled with Determination would be a fascinating shake-up, and gives even more agency to Susie, which I love! The third and perhaps most important concept tied up with Determination is, of course, Asgore. Asgore is the one who speaks while this song plays, and Asgore is the only one who actually has the Determination theme integrated into his boss battle. He embodies death, Game Overs, and the end of your journey, but he also embodies hope. He encourages you to stay Determined, and in doing so emphasizes that your Happily Ever After is still within reach. This dual symbolism of death and hope perfectly captures the essence of Determination as a concept. Everything good, bad, and in-between can be matched, surpassed, and overcome if you stay Determined. This is integral to the thesis of UNDERTALE, and thus having Determination all tied up with Rude Buster, and by extension Susie, is an extremely fascinating concept. It almost makes her feel like more of a main character than Kris, to be honest, which makes a lot of sense! The weird kid that doesn't talk wouldn't make for much of a protagonist. But the reluctant hero called to save the land from Darkness? THAT is a protagonist! Susie is the one undergoing a "Hero's Journey." Not Kris. Fascinating. Then there's Lantern, and everything I just said also applies to Seam, but in a much more distant way. Namely, the distance of time. Seam's theme makes it feel like, once upon a time, he and Jevil were the protagonists of their own story. They were the heroes of yesteryear. They were the champions of the land. They embodied hope and death and Determination. But after losing his will, Seam is but an old cat full of memories. That's what his theme imparts to me. An ancient wizard from a different Legend that has already reached its end. Nothing left now but to gather dust while you wait for the end. With this analysis considered, where would I put Rude Buster now? I'd probably bump it right up into A-Tier, actually! Specifically, I'd put it below Susie, but above Smart Race! As for Lantern, I'd boost its ranking as well! Specifically, I'd put it below Darkness Falls, but above Queen! That extra boon of Determination REALLY intrigues me and makes Seam feel like a more important character than Queen. Oh, also, someone pointed out that Acid Tunnel of Love is based on Lancer's theme, which not only explains its goofiness, but also foreshadows Rouxls Kaard's appearance. As a reward for having this extra depth, I'll bump Acid Tunnel of Love above Cyber Battle. Get rekt Cyber Battle. xD
Can’t wait for the final, 2 day version of this when the game fully releases edit: oh my gosh I finally finished the video lmfao, great video as per usual jaru
unedited this vid was 17 hours which means more than double the final length(212.5% more) So if 2 chapters gave 8 hours, 4 would give 16, 6 would give 24 and 7 would give 28 hours + 15*7/2 = 52.5 minutes so edited version would be 28.52 Hours. But the unedited would be 212.5% more which will bump this up to a whopping 61 HOURS AND 19 MINUTES!!
glad jaru made a short video this time! long form videos are my absolute favorite, but short ones like these are great to just sit down and watch whenever
One interesting part of "It's Pronounced Rules" is that the very ending, where the notes go in that little up-down rhythm, mirrors the transition between the first and second halves of the theme "Queen", showing Rouxls' desire to become her minion. The fact that the part Rouxls parrots is also the part of the song where Queen goes from her high-class and droll aristocratic self to a slightly more serious and troubled monarch is also interesting. (Also: The motif of the second half of "It's Pronounced Rules" originates from Lancer, rather than Acid Tunnel of Love - Acid Tunnel of Love is a variation on the Thrash Machine Song, which is a variation on Lancer;; it's complicated)
I feel like the reason Seam is genderless, is because they are an animal plushie, and when a kid plays with an animal plushie, they decide that plushie's gender.
For some reason I read it as being 8 minutes long and was like 'This is out of the ordinary'. Upon learning that it was in fact 8 hours and not 8 minutes, everything became much clearer.
i haven't seen anyone point this out yet, but both The Door and The Chase share a leitmotif, and i'm 99% sure that motif is referencing one of Toby's old songs, which is _literally named Nightmare Knight._ i'm not expecting this comment to get much attention at all but holy shit, that has so many interesting implications and i kinda wish people talked about it more lol edit: also, Nightmare Knight shares a motif with Friendship, another one of Toby's old songs (not the one from the Deltarune soundtrack btw, they're two different songs with the same titles). just putting it out there
One thing you didn't mention about Another Him is that it was shocking. If you were an Undertale fan coming into this game, you were shocked by hearing it, because you knew the implications of it. This is Gaster's theme, and by this being placed at the very intro/beginning of the game, this was a promise at a mystery being solved, an investigation into a "forgotten" character coming full circle at some point. A central theme. So I would add on "shocking" and "exciting". As a hardcore Gaster fan, hearing this theme for the first time made me beyond excited for what was to follow. The time for answers is coming. EDIT: I meant "shocking", not "jarring"
Toby Fox really made me hallucinate Gasters Theme everywhere because of Another Him when I was playing Chapter 1 the first time. I don't like to apply Gaster everywhere but he is definitely important *somehow* to Deltarune, whether it be that he created the connection between You (the player) and Deltarune (the world) through the program, or if he just exists in the world and interacts with powerful characters like You, Spamton, Jevil, maybe Ralsei and if Gaster is the Knight- which I don't believe he is - alot more people who we cant even account.
a few things: 1. the "weird choir noises" in ANOTHER HIM are actually the sounds Giygas makes in Earthbound. Not sure how they were made, reminds me of some sort of machine mixed with some kind of organism, calling out in a synthesised yet strangely animal manner. Makes sense considering Giygas in Earthbound is a rabid insane god-thing that was locked inside a machine until the final moments of their life. 2. I can generally tell when a song is good when it gives me goosebumps, and Darkness Falls definitely does that for me. It conjures up all this guilt knowing that in giving up, you've destroyed an entire world, and all the characters that you know and don't know are all going to suffer as the world ends and they are left alone in the dark. This song will almost definitely return later on. 3. The Dark Truth is SCARY to me. It's such a tonal shift from what songs just came before and is a very effective reminder of what's at stake in this story. And as it trails off into darkness, it leaves you with this hopeless dread of what's to come. 4. Flashback is possibly one of the most horrifying, foreboding songs I've ever heard. Its detachedness, its instrumentation, the wavering drone that begins halfway through, it, like The Dark Truth, signals a tonal shift, but in an even darker direction than even that. It reminds you that you did just mentally torture a vulnerable child into committing terrible acts, and really serves as a warning that you have done something terribly, TERRIBLY wrong, and that from hereon in this story is heading in a very different direction, and not a good one. I think that since the Snowgrave path represents the game going off-script, I think from this point the Weird Route will be locked in. The game, in having its sequence broken so irreparably, will diverge off into chaos no matter what we do. Your choices don't matter, but you abused your control over those whose choices did, and now you must face the consequences. And the fact that the filename states this is only an excerpt of the full thing, this song is almost definitely returning, pray tell what horrors it will bring with it. And that's my TED Talk on why flashback_excerpt.ogg is the scariest song in a videogame.
Totally agree on flashback. It's eerie and not the most complex song, but there's something I really like about it. I also love the fountain theme playing in the background
One thing I will mention about the Chaos King track is that it has the motif from the very end of "The Legend" - the part where Ralsei is describing that a new Dark Fountain has appeared on the horizon. And indeed, it is on this section that Chaos King gets "stuck", repeating the same measure over and over.
Jaru how on earth did you make an 8 hour video in 1 month??? Was it all recorded in 1 session???? Edit: ok yeah it definitely was recorded in 1 session but still dude this is impressive
Oh also, i find your love of Lantern marvelous, because do you know there's a song that shares a leitmotif with it? Its Rude Buster, they share the same melody, just much slowed down.(like Seam himself) And its intensely interesting, because it links Seam to the concept of battle, and i think that that will be horrendously important later
I TEARED. UP. when I heard your Vs. Susie analysis, like, GOD.. THAT SONG IS INCREDIBLE. agree with EVERYTHING you said its just UGHHHHH its *gorgeous* I CAN'T with this song. THE RAW EMOTION OF IT IS INCREDIBLE. I very very very very sincerely wish to have a song with just *raw emotion* and *storytelling* that's like vs. susie, PLEASE TOBY FOX!
This might sound insane, but I think Another Him’s title might somehow be alluding to Ralsei. When it comes to ominous characters who are referred to simply as “Him,” especially in terms of soundtrack, I can only think of Asriel, whose name in Undertale is alluded to slowly until his big reveal of it during his fight, and whose theme is not named for his first name, nor his personality, nor the moment you hear it. It’s simply “His Theme”; so when you hear “Another Him”, my first thought it always “Another Asriel”, which then instantly harkens to Ralsei who is, potentially literally, Another Asriel, or Another Him. The significance of Ralsei being connected to the Vessel’s creation or Gaster or any of the other capital letter songs is not known, which dampens my theory considerably, but I can’t shake it
Field of Hopes and Dreams is the definitive experience of an RPG game that’s just hanging out with friends in an adventure. It may not have much meaning to be lore relevant but it does its job perfectly, carries the emotion of pure joy and just doesn’t need to be connected to the lore as itself is good enough
Man, you're sleeping so hard on Your Power. You should have factored in how The Holy plays before it, or maybe bundle them together. Being so close to the fountain, the speeches that look back on the chapter, and the fact that it plays for probably the most important moments in the story makes it so special. It brings me chills every time.
I'm not sure I'd call it "the most important moment in the story." I'd probably not put it in my Top 10 Most Important, personally. But I can appreciate why you like it! x)
Hey Jaru!! Fantastic video I skipped through a few of the portions about songs I’m not as passionate about but this absolutely made my school day LMAO One thing I wanted to note about Dialtone specifically which you didn’t mention (but really elevates the song for me, though I’m kind of biased as it’s one of my favorites) is that it isn’t just Spamton’s shop theme- the reason why it’s timeline-wise placed after “A Real Boy!” in this is because it’s the theme that plays after Spamton DIES. Dialtone is the background track for Spamton in his final moments, his last bits of true coherence, where he SNAPS out of it (pun intended) and speaks to the party. Dialtone then, to me, becomes the background track for Spamton’s genuine care towards Kris, and with the way it plays in that scene it sounds like acceptance. It sounds like melancholic, but still hopeful, acceptance- that Kris and their friends might be able to break their own strings, make it in the world the way he couldn’t. Dialtone is crushingly sad to me because of that and I think the tune really encapsulates that scene and the tragedy of Spamton’s character well :] That’s my two cents! Felt I should share as the local extreme Dialtone Deltarune enjoyer, haha. Loved the vid your longform content truly never misses
Regarding 'The Door', I think the main melody sounds distinct and interesting enough to be the motif of something we haven't encountered yet. in the comments of a youtube upload of this track @TheFlyfly says "I cant wait for the final boss to have this leitmotif" and though i don't necessarily think that's the case, i think it would be fitting for toby to include this motif later for something important. Edit: It showing up again in The chase arguably makes it it's own motif and gives this idea ground.
the Door's motif is so intriguing. it's been used only thrice in Deltarune so far (and at the climax of the SVN broadcast), but it already has such a strong sense of significance! i can't wait for the next track that has this leitmotif
My favorite thing about Vs. Susie is that the distortion of the eletric guitar in the second segment of the song makes it sound like it's crying, which to be fair, I would be crying too if one of my friends betrayed me but Susie can't cry because she's trapped inside the facade she built around herself.
7:18:00 I've been thinking about this so much the last couple days, and God that's going to be a crazy couple weeks when it drops. Already in just two chapters there are so many extremely specific events that can happen depending on the most inconsequential details, and I feel like every chapter is going to increase the amount of those exponentially. For all we know there could be an interaction in Chapter Five that only triggers if you specifically canceled the Snowgrave route, beat Berdley with violence at least once so his wing gets broken, completed Mettaton's quest but canceled your visit to Papyrus on the third day and doing all that culminates in an item being up for sale in the light world that you can only afford if you've taken every opportunity to get money. That's mostly an exaggerated joke, but knowing Toby, there is going to be at least one extremely niche event like that
Can't wait to buy *「The Carton」* for $30 from the man who was never hiding behind Sans' Shop, the bringing it back to Top Chief so that「Baker's Arm」can achieve requiem.
I can’t believe you didn’t put “field of hopes and dreams “ in s tier. I listen to that as I walk to the store on a sunny day for MILK. How do you not.
This is my comfort channel :) I love how long the videos are and the way you speak. I’ve watched most of them through many times now and I just can’t wait for more. I’m glad I can give you a little support through Patreon because your content has brought me so much joy and comfort, thank you!
That's incredibly sweet and kind of you! I'm very glad you enjoy my content, and I'm extremely appreciative of your support! It makes me legitimately teary eyed to know I can do this for you and others. Have a fantastic day!
a real boy! is a silly song, but in the moment of the spamton neo fight it really hits hard. He's literally holding on to his last string trying to become free and as it's finaly cut he just drops dead to the floor. That moment made shivers run down my spine, it just hit so different.
'' to be honest this is just me trying to give you all some content this month as my other projects got delayed'' *video is 8 hours long* *VIDEO IS 8 HOURS LONG*
I haven’t even finished the video, and I already love it! The gallery bit absolutely blew my mind, and King is one of if not my favorite character, and I’m glad he’s getting the attention he deserves
Thank you jaru for all your hard work. I love your content and also love how long each video you make is :D I work security on the grave/weekend nights shift so whenever you upload it gives me something I can pay attention to so I am not bored for the long hours I am at work with nothing to do.
I think I know why there are candles in The Door theme. In fiction candles are often a representation of hope as they are literally a small, flickering light in a dark room. We see a lot of candles in castle town and one in seam's shop. But we also see them in card castle as well as in the basement to Jevil's cell, so I'm not sure. I don't think spamton had anything to do with candles which might state his hopelessness.
I will always respect Jarus willingness to be crucified by this community. That being said, I will be the one nailing his hands to the cross the next time he says he doesn’t like our good good boy Lancer.
The April 2012 song is simply an unused track Toby made during his time on Homestuck. There's probably no deeper meaning to it and I think he just included it to put a "party song" for that room.
34:50 id like to add that the melody in "the chase" is similar to a melody in the song "nightmare knight" that toby made for cucumber quest. I'm not sure if that really means anything cause the theme for noisemaster also had its melody reused for mettatons themes. but I just thought it was an interesting bit of information regardless. even if it doesn't mean anything. cause I just think it's interesting seeing old songs by toby having their melodies reused on new things lol
In regards to ‘The Door’, and the burning Candle noise, I believe the song in addition to playing at the door, also plays in CASTLE TOWN just before you meet with Ralsei for the first time. And along the walls there, there are a verity of blue candles. So it could be an ambient noise integrated for the purposes of that area. It could mean Toby designed the song for that place first, and only later decided to use it for the door scene where it got its official name. I wonder if we’ll get to hear it sometime again in the future chapters.
Also, imo, Papyrus IS actually a bit more complex character than just a goofball. And it's kinda sad that he gets reduced to an "uwu silly boy". Toby actually seems to be pretty attached to Papyrus, since he gets a ton of dialogue in undertale if you calll him on the phone. I just wish more people recognized that he is way less naive and more insecure than he appears to be :)
Ok: this will be a long binge over the next few days. But right away I’m Very glad that you included both the scrapped chapter 1 songs (I hope that motif from the fountain track makes a return), the Snowgrave songs (AKA songs that will probably be in future chapters and were recontextualised for Snowgrave like Noelles realisation/Flashback) and some of the sweepstakes songs in this mega video. Cant wait to get stuck in
I’m interested in your point in the gallery section of the video- I have never even thought of that- would be terrifying to find out that he was watching us in our final moments of each dark world- I’m excited to see your new Theory’s coming up!
So, this video lead to... about two epiphanies for me, just from listening to the music, and also your explanations and analyzations of that music. Which lead to a lot of theories brewing in my mind. Basically... an explosion of thoughts and stuff, heh. My first epiphany was... Why it's called the Weird Route in Chapter 2's files, instead of a form of genocide, or another name. Weird Route is very specific, because the name implies it isn't a genocide, it isn't a specific name, because what I think OTHER Weird Routes are going to be now. Think about what the Weird Route is in Chapter 2, and especially what Jaru thinks the point of the Weird Route in Chapter 2 is. An attempt by the player to make choices matter, when they don't, through killing, and trying to get stronger, using even someone else in that attempt that Kris as a character clearly has emotional attachment to. Do you know who else that sounds incredibly like? Spamton. In fact... it's exactly Spamton's thoughts by becoming Spamton NEO. That he could become free, and likely, able to challenge the Angel. And immediately after realizing that wouldn't be true, he attempted to try and take Kris' soul in that attempt. it's very much... an echo. I think it's obvious what I think the Weird Route means now. Each Weird Route we'll see will be an echo of that chapter's secret bosses' mentality, and breakage. The flaws in their reaction of their choices NOT mattering. What this also gives is something I've wanted DESPERATELY to know since Chapter 2 released. Why didn't Chapter 1 get a Weird Route. It could be passed off as purely to make Chapter 1 more simple, but... I highly doubt that. Think about Jevil's breakage. He's a Hedonist. He's purely accepted that his choices don't matter, and ran with it. What even COULD be the Weird Route of Chapter 1 by that logic. The BEST way to describe the Weird Route Chapter 1 COULD have? Just playing through Chapter 1 itself, having fun with it. Doing whatever you want. The Weird Route of Chapter 1 can't be made, because it is simply... how people are going to play through Chapter 1 anyhow, to be completely honest. And this leads directly into... My second epiphany. My second epiphany is... well, split into multiple, to be completely honest. Basing partially off of the previous one. What makes Seam... so knowledgable. I believe the first and last chapters will not have a Weird Route. Because I believe the secret bosses of the first and last chapters have already accepted the fact that their choices... simply don't matter. Jevil is obvious. And it's pretty obvious that Seam is who I think the last chapter secret boss is, I presume, just by... how this "epiphany" is labeled. But why? Well... Seam's knowledge. It matches Jevil's and Spamton's, if not more so, and he does know the other two secret bosses so far, something only shown by the other secret bosses. Spamton also foreshadows Mike, which is believed to be Chapter 3's secret boss. Also, Seam's strength. Seam is known to be stronger at base than any of the other characters, even the secret bosses. But how? How would he be stronger than the other secret bosses? How do the secret bosses even know each other? How does he have such knowledge? Honestly, all these questions are answered by each other, so it's sorta... hard to explain. Answering the easiest question by this logic, his knowledge. 1. He is able to travel between dark worlds. Pretty logical. How he, the other secret bosses, and Ralsei can travel safely is the interesting part. I think, from what we've seen, it's strength, in one way or another. We've seen that Ralsei can travel perfectly fine. But we've also seen Lancer and Rouxls Kaard turn to stone after leaving Kris' pocket. But, notice how Lancer turns to stone MUCH quicker than Rouxls Kaard. Rouxls Kaard leaves as soon as getting to the Cyberworld, and yet... Rouxls Kaard only turns to stone in the fight with him, and it's not even full. And it's... pretty likely that Rouxls Kaard actually DOES have some very strong power within him. So... of course the secret bosses, and Ralsei, can travel. They're all INCREDIBLY strong darkners. Which is likely how the secret bosses and Seam know each other, aside from Jevil. 2. Seam has a pure crystal. Not a shadow crystal, a pure crystal. Notice how he is the only person, at all, to acknowledge the shadow crystals at all. He knows what they can actually do, and we KNOW he has the Shadow Mantle, which is almost certainly, as Jaru has stated, connected directly to the Shadow Crystals. So... It's only logical that how Seam knows how the crystals work is because he has used them before. Used them to fight, most likely. Which can also tie back to his strength. But why would he even fight us? Well... to test us. I believe that Seam is likely to grow fond of us. Yet he also knows there's no chance we stand to give this world choices that matter. So... a simple test. One to give hope, perhaps, or... something of that nature. So then, why is Seam likely the last secret boss, I suppose is the next question. Storytelling is the main reason. It's incredibly likely, especially by Jaru's theories, that the last chapter is the Roaring. That, if it even does take place in a dark world, it will take place... within the Castle Town. Therefore, the strongest Secret boss, the one who knows EVERYTHING, the one who knows about all the other secret bosses, and has helped us with every other secret boss, is going to be for last. Wow this was fun to write, heh. If anyone has read all of this... thank you! Please like... respond with flaws and stuff. And Jaru, if you do find this... I wonder if you've already contemplated all of this. In fact, I wonder if anyone has. Seems so... simple, that I honestly doubt someone hasn't.
My opinions after watching the video: ( it took a while lol ) I think I would put "rude buster" closer to "field of hopes and dreams". While it might technically not hold as much importance and is used a lot, I feel like it deserves a high spot due to it's sheer quality and epicness. Plus spamton sweepstakes gave us a slowed down version of it which makes it me hope we will get some remixes :3 I agree with checker dance's placement. It's a cool, goofy song but it just doesn't really compare to the others. It fits the 2 fights we have with k round but that's kinda it It's interesting that you placed "vs Susie" so high up. It's really good ofc but I didn't think you love it so much. I would put it a little lower but maybe I'm underrating it "Don't forget" obviously instant S tier! I'm looking forward to even more of remixes of it and eventually a possible full version representing the whole game Man, "my castle town" is such a mood. I love how elegant, cslm and peaceful it is. I can just listen to it all day and relax 😴 Yeah, it's unfortunate that sweet captain cakes aren't important and pretty forgettable. They have really cool designs and I like them but they aren't interesting enough to be more beloved. At least they will do some cool stuff in the castle town as was shown in one of the updates Spamton themes being high up was pretty obvious and very understandable 😂. Spamton is such a unique and deep character and his music reflects that fully. There's just so much chaos, wackiness and it's such a bop Despite of the fact that queen doesn't have as much relevance, her connections with some characters are still pretty strong. That's why I think "attack of the killer queen" does actually deserve to be at very high A or even S. It sounds too good to be lower imo Honestly, "BIG SHOT" is currently one of my absolute favourite pieces of music of ALL time. It's so good that I just can't get tired of it lmao. This masterpiece has so many intriguing connection, cool instruments and great vocals. It's an incredible evolution of Spamton that further ties him to concepts like freedom and power. In his NEO version he is even more desperate to be free while still being a wacky puppet salesman that made a deal with you. All the segments of BIG SHOT have something unique to them: it starts of being a more crazy rendition of Spamton, next the "freedom" motif that started with jevil shows up and it sounds so holy, almost like you are ascending to heaven, and then other leitmotifs like power of neo and dummy appear. The music is constantly changing and yet it sticks well together and makes this track even more interesting 💜💛 I don't really have an opinion on the unused tracks, I actually haven't heard some of them until now. The ones that are going to appear in chapters 3-5 are really cool though So yeah, that's all I had to say 😁
I think you’re heavily underrating Field of H&D. It’s the song you hear at the true start of your adventure, it’s got “With You in the Dark” all over, ON TOP of the masterful instrumentation. It also has universal appeal regardless of whether you know a thing about UT or DR, meaning it can automatically qualify for S tier. There’s other questionable choices but nothing I’d want to fight on.
@@JaruJaruJ even so! You missed the connection from “Field of Hopes and Dreams”. It’s not just a reference to the Undertale song, since Ralsei just mentioned those very same words in his retelling of The Legend! It deserves to be above “Another Him” at the very least, that’s all I’m saying.
I feel like I can add a few things in terms of leitmotifs of the songs: 1. For The Beginning, I would like to note that the leitmotif at the end isn't in Undertale the song. I'm pretty sure it actually only plays in Undertale's opening sequence, and Post-True Lab. 2. Lantern is entirely comprised of the leitmotif from Rude Buster, which further hints at Seam's connection to battle. 3. That Fear leitmotif that you mentioned is actually all over Deltarune, If I've heard it correctly the songs with it in are Imminent Death, Vs. Susie, Gallery(when slowed a ton), The Dark Truth, & Digital Roots. 4. Hey Every ! is actually a shorter even shorter version of A Real Boy! 5. Acid Tunnel of love is actually a bit of foreshadowing because it is a variation on Thrash Machine which is also why its in It's pronounced "Rules". 6. The sans leitmotif is also in It's Raining Somewhere Else. 7. Results has the Uwa! Leitmotif.
The way I interpreted The World Revolving is in reference to how Jevil thinks HE'S the only sane one. They "locked up the whole world" in prison, and now he's the only one who is free. Jevil's room may appear to be spinning, but from his point of view, he's perfectly still and the rest of the world are the ones spinning. Hence from his perspective, the World is Revolving around him, and the truth he knows, while his room remains grounded and sane. The outside world spins in madness-not him. Edit: Oh, also if the time loop theory is real, that would nicely explain it. It would mean his room exists outside of the time reset, perpetually. From his room, he sees things happen, on repeat, forever. The World Revolving would thus reference the cyclical nature of time in the outside world, as viewed from inside his room. And whenever the day inevitably comes when someone lets Jevil out of his cell (as is fated to happen every reset) he always causes mass pandemonium in an attempt to destroy SOMETHING that might destroy the time reset. He has no inhibition, because from his perspective his chaos is intended to end the cycle and he feels justified in destroying as much as he possibly can to hopefully finally end it. But he always fails. Because as soon as he steps out of the room, he becomes subject to the time reset like everyone else. And he's already been thrown in prison before, so his imprisonment will always be fated to happen again and again, no matter what he does.
I just realized something while hearing "Another Him" for the first time in a while. Imagine if the vessel does make a return. Imagine how many people are going to presumably have to fight bald Frisks in red shirts because we all chose the default options for everything to mash past it all.
Update: About Beginnings: I can actually tell, the trumpet in the song is specifically the one from Earthbound. I can tell because someone ported the song to the Earthbound Randomizer, and the trumpets sound exactly the same.
@@JaruJaruJ well, I'll gladly elaborate if you'd like to hear. To your point about the immediate rebuttal of "Kill or be killed", that does not necessitate it needing to happen for "your choices don't matter." But that doesn't matter, because it does happen. Suzy says your choices don't matter because she's going to eat your face. She doesn't, and then proceeds to actually become your friend. I think you're really just missing a crucial detail. Jevil is an antagonist. He's a bad guy. His place in the story means that his ideology is contradictory to the truth of the narrative. His reaction to his realization is wrong, obviously, but if this realization is the consistent theme amongst antagonists, that means the realization is flawed, or contradictory to the truth of the theme. In your analysis of the World Revolving, you say that the theme praises Jevil, and of course it does, it's his theme, he's playing the music. Jevil thinks he is very clever, but just like with Roulxs Kaard's theme, that's just how Jevil sees himself. And I also disagree with your point that if we disagree with your interpretation of the main theme that we can't agree with other parts. You do a lot of great work and research, even if I don't think you understand what Toby is trying to say. And it's also very entertaining, your style of theory's crafting swings for the fences, which is very courageous. It's easy to want to be very centrist online, but you take big swings and tell grand stories, which I think is really fun.
@@alexknj1I totally agree, there's so much in the game already to imply that your choices _do_ infact matter. P.S. I don't think "Kill or be killed" is the message either; I don't get why _anyone_ came to that conclusion, _it's silly;_ it wasn't true in Undertale, _and I doubt it is in Deltarune._
@@JaruJaruJI don't wanna keep my "optimistic view" of how the game is gonna end, I don't actually care _too much_ about how it all will end; bad or good, I just mostly wanna see how it plays out. I just think that the "message" of the game being "your choices don't matter" (when many things show otherwise) is not actually true and is some weird red herring or, more likely, a plot point to show that you're defying what everyone _thinks_ you can or cannot do.
@@JaruJaruJAnother thing is maybe _our_ choices, as the player, _do_ matter; but Kris' choices _don't,_ because _we're_ the ones controlling them, and everyone who says "your choices don't matter" is likely talking to Kris; _not us as the player._ P.S. You don't absolutely know _for sure_ how much Snowgrave will end up changing things, how important it'll be, none of us _know_ these things _for sure_ because the story hasn't fully played out, of course. P.P.S. Then again; Kris defies our control _almost_ as much in scale as we defy _their_ control, so idk maybe _both_ of our choices matter?
This is the weirdest tierlist I think I've seen, and not in a bad way. By your commentary, it seems the songs are ranked more so based on their lore and story significance than actually being a song and sounding good.
6:54:00 Actually "sans." is used for "It's Raining Somewhere Else", I think the key isn't consistent like its not the same exact note structure raised or lowered by the same amount for each key, but the note pattern is the same (so like Thrash Machine vs Lancer's theme, maybe a bit more dynamic here but). Which... is the "Somewhere Else" Deltarune... but
Gallery has always piqued my interest, it’s definitely the ‘your friend is being threatened’ theme. I have no doubt it will play in exactly the same manner in Chapter 3. Gallery as in the name, is very interesting as well. An alternate interpretation is that it could be a reference to a *Rogues’ gallery.* Since it always directly involves each of the antagonists. I hope Toby makes a more elaborate extended version of it for the future.
God dammit I finally finished this video after 2 or 3 weeks lmao. I did not expect to enjoy this as much as I did. At first I was a bit mad with some of the first tracks, but apparently when you start watching a guy yappin for 8 hours, you acquire their mindset a bit. I decided to do my own thing based on this video: 2 days ago, I started a thing where I comment on every single UTY soundtrack. I have been planning to do it like "1 day=1 track", and I've been enjoying it very much, to just write about them and my experience with them. Now that I think about it, maybe when I finish it in 100 days, I'll make my own video on it! And to think I probably wouldn't try to do it if it wasn't for this video, obligates me to thank u very much for this mini journey Jaru!
My heart shattering into a million pieces during the sweet cap'n'cakes roast.... MY GUYS.... it reminds me of how people reacted to berdly when chapter 2 first came out, it was shocking to me to see people genuinely didnt like him, but ive never seen anyone have that reaction to the sweet cap'n'cakes (not mad btw just fascinated)
The difference for me is that Berdly is an interesting complex character with unique motivations and goals, and Sweet Cap'n'cakes just... aren't. I like their designs, but besides that they are the epitome of "generic funny RPG side characters" which is fine as that is literally what they are designed to be. But from someone whos a theory crafter and lore enthusiast, and whos favorite parts of the game are the more emotionally resonant parts (which Berdley does have in both regular chapter 2 and in Snowgrave) the Sweet Capn Cakes lack the emotional investment and sweet sweet lore I'm craving so I get a bit annoyed at them from taking up a lot of screen time relative to other side characters in chapter 2. Sorry for the long comment, just wanted to explain us few folks who seem to be outliers regarding the robo bois lol.
Someone else might’ve already said this but April 2012 is referring to the first time Toby started working on Deltarune This is shown in a tweet he made the day after chapter 1 was released that includes a image showing some dialogue in a txt file dated April 2012
When jaru said that “school” is the first song to incorporate the don’t forget leitmotif, I was so confused. “Beginning” literally SCREAMS “Dont forget”. I can literally sing the lyrics of “don’t forget” but sped up over “Beginning” and it will match perfectly.
I think one of the words you were struggling to find to describe My Castle Town might be “melancholy.” It expresses sadness and thoughtfulness at the same time, and is often connected to the idea that sorrow and beauty are inseparably linked, as they certainly are in this game. Thanks for the super long video, perfect to listen to while cooking and cleaning :D
Still far from finishing this video, but I just wanted to say that I'm loving it so far! Your analysis' are so good. It's always been so fascinating to me seeing how composers convey characters, settings and feelings with music. It's nice to see people analyse music without going into depth with music theory terms
I feel like honestly making susie into a perfectly kind hearted fully reformed person doesnt even make sense? There was a short time in my life i had no friends when i was little (it was just like two months though) and let me tell you, it SUCKED. I wasnt in that space long but i feel like its safe to assume susie was, based on how she instantly assumes that every one of her classmates hate her. That will cause TRAUMA. Sincerely believing the entire world is against you, that nobody likes you, especially for that long will hurt you long term. The second kris catches her eating the chalk she instantly assumes they are out to get her, and that everyone else is too. Shes not just mean or angry, shes paranoid. And her gaining friends doesnt fix that. Thats still something you work through, its not just fixed on a whim, and i feel like it just wouldnt make sense with the clear amount of hurt shes gone through.
The beginning is a super brash marching band style reworking of the “don’t forget” main leightmotif, just speed up and given a little more articulation. Love your work!
Yes, the whole song is Don’t Forget. I think that plays into everything you said about it though, making it disconcerting and dark (especially when you revisit the song later after first hearing Don’t Forget) not just through its hollowness (100% a great description btw) but also its rushed, shallow treatment of Don’t Forget EDIT: I realise you address this a few songs later!
Ah, I think the word I’m after is manic. It gives it a manic feeling, and I agree that it feels like it may be revisited later to make its disturbing nature more apparent
All comments on how awesome this video is aside, I do want to say that I love how most of your videos have captions! And not the terrible auto-generated ones, I'm talking REAL captions! With my auditory processing issues that make is hard for me to discern what someone is saying aloud, captions are amazing as I don't have to rewatch a section of a video over and over just to know what someone is saying. Not to mention it greatly limits who I can watch, which is a shame when a lot of good content isn't captioned and the background music it too loud for me to know what someone is saying. Anyways, thank you for the captions because I'm sure I'm not the only one that greatly appreciates them! :)
The Door, Cliffs, and the Chase are all strong references to Secret of Evermore’s music. When I first heard them, this blew my mind because I love how atmospheric that game’s music is, and it is also about being pulled into a dark, dangerous world so plays into the story being set. Edit: Adding that I think the title of “Faint Glow” is really interesting, especially considering Kris is the “light bringer” and has left traces in the save files.
Okay, I finally watched it all. Music tier list and multiple lore discussions packed in one video, amazing. Although using lore relevance to rate tracks is pretty insane to me xd, I see where you are coming from, but I would never put Cyber World below S tier.
Honestly it may be a hot take but imo seeing Susie reject noelle would be way more interesting than a stereotypical “girl meets girl girl falls in love other girl gives back feelings they all live happily ever after” its just more interesting than that not that I don’t like LQBTQ+ ships or anything like that I just think that’d be more interesting is all
Jaru: **Uploads** Me: *"I DON'T HAVE ALL DAY!!"* (I love your videos btw) (I also use these videos as like a radio talking while studying, I don't ignore Jaru's opinions but still it's fun hearing it like this)
5:09:27 My god I love this accidental bit of Jaru revaluating April 2012 of not deserving to be with "those" tracks more than once and It always makes me think "Well hmm maybe thats true, I dont remember it being _that_ bad" but then I listen to it and nope it really is that bad😭😭 _Slams it back to the D club_
Can we talk about how Ralsei doesn't have a song? Lancer has "Lancer," Susie has "Susie," even Rouxls Kaard has "Rouxls Kaard." Noelle doesn't have a song named after her, but she does have "Girl Next Door, which is clearly her song. But even though Ralsei has told us the "Legend" and the "Dark Truth," HE doesn't have a song. This seems like a clear hint that we only know what Ralsei SAYS, but we have no idea who he really is.
Deltatune and Undertale music has made me cry. Some of the most beautiful art ever created by humanity. I feel blessed to have people like Toby Fox living here in the same world
After making my own tierlist video over every Undertale ost song, accumulating in about 6 hours of analysis I just want to say, Jaru, you are such a trooper! The sheer amount of time sitting and listening to the music, analyzing it, and editing it all together must have took soooo long. Let us just take a moment to appreciate Jaru's commitment to this channel and Deltarune as a whole. Also, I think it's kinda funny how a video going over the entirety of Deltarune chapter one, two, and even songs that aren't even in the ost almost beat out the time it took to go over just the 101 Undertale songs. Not trying to imply anything, I just thought it was ironic. (Also not trying to self-promote but if your trying to find my Undertale ost tierlist [which I was inspired to make by this very video] at the time of commenting, it it almost uploaded. Like I said, it's almost 6 hours long) Thanks Jaru, still will continue to love the content!
Other youtubers are like "hey sorry for the long video" when it's 15 or 20 minutes long and I'm like noo I want 1 or 2 hour long videos like let's go! And then there's jaru who gives us this gold mine ❤
Hello! Music theory person here - the reason you think Lancer sounds ‘jazzy’ is probably because of its walking bass line in the second section which was rly common in 20th century jazz and blues! :)
Thoughts! - another him woah the man himself - beginning I love how toby is also telling that this aint Undertale, but it definitely has its soul and passion! - school It can work on any rpg game it's so catchy and warm, definitely a recurrent theme, and god forbid but we all know that shits going to hit the fan and this track it's going to deviate to nostalgia - Susie stupid Barney you almost ate your best friend - the door it's ominous and functional - cleeffs
About your question about when the story takes place, remember Kris looking up when college's summer vacation is, and Toriel implies that this visit will be Asriel's first visit back to town since he left meaning no "Thanksgiving" break (if DT universe even has that), no Christmas break, and no spring break. Which is interesting. Either those breaks down don't exist in Deltarune's world, or that Asriel simply didn't want to come back at all those opportunities. Which is very interesting given that one particular theory you have about him.
What you said about "before the story" gave me an idea-- not necessarily one I agree with, but one I could see happening-- in which our heroes lose, don't escape the time loop or what have you, but one of the things that shifts it from bitter to bittersweet is that they're involved, somehow, in making Undertale happen; Toby Fox having been involved (musically) with Homestuck, I'm thinking like a Scratch; for context, for anyone who doesn't know, think of it like, realizing your reality is in some way doomed, and so resetting reality, making it new but with different starting conditions, or with some details rearranged-- like, if Earth and its history is like a deck of cards, taking a few of the cards and putting them elsewhere in the deck; That got a bit rambling, but, I dig the idea of our heroes realizing the best thing they can do is to get a new world going that has a chance of a happy ending; it would be bittersweet, and I love bittersweet
I really enjoyed listening to your thoughts on the all the music! It helps that DELTARUNE has such a fantastic soundtrack too of course, but I think I've gained new appreciation for some of the tracks. Your interpretation of a classroom full of children being akin to a "Field of Hopes and Dreams" is one that will surely stick with me for a long time to come. I think "April 2012" was called that simply because it was created in that month and year. It could also perhaps be when the game that would eventually become DELTARUNE first began development.
I somehow forgot to discuss "Man"! So here's my thoughts on it:
I find this song extremely fascinating, as although it's only about 11 seconds long, it stands out as being stylistically distinct from everything else. The motif it has seems completely unique, with no clear connections to any other leitmotifs, which is bizarre and fascinating. It makes me think that this is a small fragment of a larger theme and that this person is almost certainly NOT Gaster. Gaster's theme is plastered all over this game, yet this song seems to be devoid of it. This makes me think that, at the very least, this "Man" is not the same person from "Another HIm." It may be a different Gaster, it may be the Everyman, or it may be someone completely different. I sincerely have no idea, but it's absolutely fascinating! As for where I'd rate it, it's a very basic track that's not very fun to listen to, so I'd probably put it above Cliffs but below The Chase.
Hopefully I don't have to edit in my thoughts on any other missed songs. xD
Edit: Also, yes, my internal logic for what each tier consists of changes over the course of the video. That's just how Tier Lists are for me. I start with some vague logic, then that logic evolves into something more nuanced as I get a better grasp of what it is I actually value. Things like "This is a song that anybody can love" quickly stopped being relevant as I realized I don't care what other people think, I'm rating this based off what I think. So, yeah. The curse of having no script! xD
Edit2: So! Turns out there's the "Determination" Leitmotif within Rude Buster, and Rude Buster's theme is also found in Lantern! This actually changes my mind on my placement of both of these, at least a little, as this brings up a whole pile of new connotations! So, first off, what are the implications of Determination being in Rude Buster? Well, Determination as a concept is very important in these games, and the main way you express your Determination, whether violently or through pacifism, is via combat encounters. You notably only hear the original Determination song during a Game Over, emphasizing it's connection to conflict and combat. So, thanks to its connection to combat, it adds up that it would appear in the combat theme of DR. Furthermore, Rude Buster is specifically tied to Susie, which not also emphasizes her violence, but also tied her will specifically up with Determination. This, in my opinion, is some really cool character building! The idea that Susie, not Kris, may be the one who is the most filled with Determination would be a fascinating shake-up, and gives even more agency to Susie, which I love!
The third and perhaps most important concept tied up with Determination is, of course, Asgore. Asgore is the one who speaks while this song plays, and Asgore is the only one who actually has the Determination theme integrated into his boss battle. He embodies death, Game Overs, and the end of your journey, but he also embodies hope. He encourages you to stay Determined, and in doing so emphasizes that your Happily Ever After is still within reach. This dual symbolism of death and hope perfectly captures the essence of Determination as a concept. Everything good, bad, and in-between can be matched, surpassed, and overcome if you stay Determined. This is integral to the thesis of UNDERTALE, and thus having Determination all tied up with Rude Buster, and by extension Susie, is an extremely fascinating concept. It almost makes her feel like more of a main character than Kris, to be honest, which makes a lot of sense! The weird kid that doesn't talk wouldn't make for much of a protagonist. But the reluctant hero called to save the land from Darkness? THAT is a protagonist! Susie is the one undergoing a "Hero's Journey." Not Kris. Fascinating.
Then there's Lantern, and everything I just said also applies to Seam, but in a much more distant way. Namely, the distance of time. Seam's theme makes it feel like, once upon a time, he and Jevil were the protagonists of their own story. They were the heroes of yesteryear. They were the champions of the land. They embodied hope and death and Determination. But after losing his will, Seam is but an old cat full of memories. That's what his theme imparts to me. An ancient wizard from a different Legend that has already reached its end. Nothing left now but to gather dust while you wait for the end.
With this analysis considered, where would I put Rude Buster now? I'd probably bump it right up into A-Tier, actually! Specifically, I'd put it below Susie, but above Smart Race! As for Lantern, I'd boost its ranking as well! Specifically, I'd put it below Darkness Falls, but above Queen! That extra boon of Determination REALLY intrigues me and makes Seam feel like a more important character than Queen.
Oh, also, someone pointed out that Acid Tunnel of Love is based on Lancer's theme, which not only explains its goofiness, but also foreshadows Rouxls Kaard's appearance. As a reward for having this extra depth, I'll bump Acid Tunnel of Love above Cyber Battle. Get rekt Cyber Battle. xD
Wow This is some crazy dedication!
The Yume Nikki Masada song.
someone clearly doesnt know what yume nikki is
Did you know it was also used prior to Deltarune in a Yume Nikki fan OST by Toby?
@@verity_amo A very obscure fact.
Can’t wait for the final, 2 day version of this when the game fully releases
edit: oh my gosh I finally finished the video lmfao, great video as per usual jaru
The legendary 30 hour video
unedited this vid was 17 hours which means more than double the final length(212.5% more)
So if 2 chapters gave 8 hours, 4 would give 16, 6 would give 24 and 7 would give 28 hours + 15*7/2 = 52.5 minutes so edited version would be 28.52 Hours.
But the unedited would be 212.5% more which will bump this up to a whopping 61 HOURS AND 19 MINUTES!!
Ain't no way
@@sanscipher435 your really good at math claps for you my man👏👏👏👏👏👏
In the year of our lord 2045 when the chapter 0 drops
Watching this at 0.25 to appreciate each and every word of this mega-analysis
32 hours of pure content 😋
Sleep isn't important! i think..
@@Flightkitten I don’t need sleep I need Jaru!
You're a lunatic, I like it 😅
@@minedimensions23 33 actually, even better!
glad jaru made a short video this time! long form videos are my absolute favorite, but short ones like these are great to just sit down and watch whenever
xD
Ikr, glad this ones a short one. Only took me a few years to watch.
just enough time to watch until the rest of deltarune comes out
"Short video"
One interesting part of "It's Pronounced Rules" is that the very ending, where the notes go in that little up-down rhythm, mirrors the transition between the first and second halves of the theme "Queen", showing Rouxls' desire to become her minion. The fact that the part Rouxls parrots is also the part of the song where Queen goes from her high-class and droll aristocratic self to a slightly more serious and troubled monarch is also interesting.
(Also: The motif of the second half of "It's Pronounced Rules" originates from Lancer, rather than Acid Tunnel of Love - Acid Tunnel of Love is a variation on the Thrash Machine Song, which is a variation on Lancer;; it's complicated)
I feel like the reason Seam is genderless, is because they are an animal plushie, and when a kid plays with an animal plushie, they decide that plushie's gender.
For some reason I read it as being 8 minutes long and was like 'This is out of the ordinary'. Upon learning that it was in fact 8 hours and not 8 minutes, everything became much clearer.
he is the worst Deltarune speedrunner in song% where you rank every song with a short analysis.
1:12:28
I love how this went from their listing songs to violently describing a spamton vs. Jevil vs. Seam free for all
fun fact: it is impossible for anyone to have finished this video until quite a while after it has come out
edit: ok now you can have finished it
i could download it, speed it up by 95× and finish it in 5 minutes, in fact i already did
Not with that attitude
Doesn’t stop them from commenting
Over 4 hours later and still true!
Still true!
i haven't seen anyone point this out yet, but both The Door and The Chase share a leitmotif, and i'm 99% sure that motif is referencing one of Toby's old songs, which is _literally named Nightmare Knight._
i'm not expecting this comment to get much attention at all but holy shit, that has so many interesting implications and i kinda wish people talked about it more lol
edit: also, Nightmare Knight shares a motif with Friendship, another one of Toby's old songs (not the one from the Deltarune soundtrack btw, they're two different songs with the same titles). just putting it out there
was looking if anyone said this already, yes!
nice pfp
One thing you didn't mention about Another Him is that it was shocking. If you were an Undertale fan coming into this game, you were shocked by hearing it, because you knew the implications of it. This is Gaster's theme, and by this being placed at the very intro/beginning of the game, this was a promise at a mystery being solved, an investigation into a "forgotten" character coming full circle at some point. A central theme.
So I would add on "shocking" and "exciting". As a hardcore Gaster fan, hearing this theme for the first time made me beyond excited for what was to follow. The time for answers is coming.
EDIT: I meant "shocking", not "jarring"
YES YES YES YES SOMEONE GETS IT
jarruing
Toby Fox really made me hallucinate Gasters Theme everywhere because of Another Him when I was playing Chapter 1 the first time. I don't like to apply Gaster everywhere but he is definitely important *somehow* to Deltarune, whether it be that he created the connection between You (the player) and Deltarune (the world) through the program, or if he just exists in the world and interacts with powerful characters like You, Spamton, Jevil, maybe Ralsei and if Gaster is the Knight- which I don't believe he is - alot more people who we cant even account.
a few things:
1. the "weird choir noises" in ANOTHER HIM are actually the sounds Giygas makes in Earthbound. Not sure how they were made, reminds me of some sort of machine mixed with some kind of organism, calling out in a synthesised yet strangely animal manner. Makes sense considering Giygas in Earthbound is a rabid insane god-thing that was locked inside a machine until the final moments of their life.
2. I can generally tell when a song is good when it gives me goosebumps, and Darkness Falls definitely does that for me. It conjures up all this guilt knowing that in giving up, you've destroyed an entire world, and all the characters that you know and don't know are all going to suffer as the world ends and they are left alone in the dark. This song will almost definitely return later on.
3. The Dark Truth is SCARY to me. It's such a tonal shift from what songs just came before and is a very effective reminder of what's at stake in this story. And as it trails off into darkness, it leaves you with this hopeless dread of what's to come.
4. Flashback is possibly one of the most horrifying, foreboding songs I've ever heard. Its detachedness, its instrumentation, the wavering drone that begins halfway through, it, like The Dark Truth, signals a tonal shift, but in an even darker direction than even that. It reminds you that you did just mentally torture a vulnerable child into committing terrible acts, and really serves as a warning that you have done something terribly, TERRIBLY wrong, and that from hereon in this story is heading in a very different direction, and not a good one. I think that since the Snowgrave path represents the game going off-script, I think from this point the Weird Route will be locked in. The game, in having its sequence broken so irreparably, will diverge off into chaos no matter what we do. Your choices don't matter, but you abused your control over those whose choices did, and now you must face the consequences. And the fact that the filename states this is only an excerpt of the full thing, this song is almost definitely returning, pray tell what horrors it will bring with it.
And that's my TED Talk on why flashback_excerpt.ogg is the scariest song in a videogame.
Totally agree on flashback. It's eerie and not the most complex song, but there's something I really like about it. I also love the fountain theme playing in the background
One thing I will mention about the Chaos King track is that it has the motif from the very end of "The Legend" - the part where Ralsei is describing that a new Dark Fountain has appeared on the horizon. And indeed, it is on this section that Chaos King gets "stuck", repeating the same measure over and over.
Huh
I didn't think about that. That's actually very interesting, thanks you!
Yeah, I was gonna say. Chaos King is basically just Card Castle + Lancer + The Legend with a Susie treatment.
@@seisner6655 sounds like something I'd get at a spa lol
Jaru how on earth did you make an 8 hour video in 1 month??? Was it all recorded in 1 session????
Edit: ok yeah it definitely was recorded in 1 session but still dude this is impressive
I dont think i would have noticed it was 8 hours unless I read the comments first (I have issues)
Jaru said that the unedited recording was 17 hours lol
Most of the recording was Jaru listening the ost multiple times and doing research.
@Gustavo Aguiar Dude just sat there for 17 hours straight doing nothing but listen to music and talk to no one.
@@Kjf365 pretty much lol
@@Kjf365 chad behavior
I know you’ve probably heard this before but your videos are so relaxing. An 8 hour tierlist is a godsend
Thank you! :D
Thank you for your wisdom, the ball fondler
omfg, THE Ballfondler!? under a Jaru video!?
hiiii ballfondler!!!! i'm such a big fan! hope your baseball career is going well 😚
Imagine fighting Seam. As someone who's never beaten Jevil but has beaten every other enemy in Deltarune, I fear that old cat plush.
He hasn’t beaten Jevil but was strong enough to lock him up,so gotta agree
Oh also, i find your love of Lantern marvelous, because do you know there's a song that shares a leitmotif with it? Its Rude Buster, they share the same melody, just much slowed down.(like Seam himself) And its intensely interesting, because it links Seam to the concept of battle, and i think that that will be horrendously important later
Indeed!
See y'all when I finish watching this next month.
DID YOU [[Finnish]] IT?
@@Number_1_Rated_Salesman1997Oh my angel its the bigshot man!
best of worlds united, big lore game no.1 and big lore game no.2 (Deltarune and Hollowknight)
6:53:35 That motif also appears in "It's Raining Somewhere Else", and the backtrack of it shows up in "Bring It In, Guys!".
Man you deserve a waaaaaaaay bigger audience 💪 your videos are like my favorite on UA-cam
Thank you so much! :D
You're right he's a really good youtuber.
I TEARED. UP. when I heard your Vs. Susie analysis, like, GOD.. THAT SONG IS INCREDIBLE. agree with EVERYTHING you said its just UGHHHHH its *gorgeous* I CAN'T with this song. THE RAW EMOTION OF IT IS INCREDIBLE. I very very very very sincerely wish to have a song with just *raw emotion* and *storytelling* that's like vs. susie, PLEASE TOBY FOX!
I'm very glad we're in agreement!
Great stuff! Looking forward to the 40-hour-long theory video when the next chapters drop!
Yep and I know I'll watch it 0.25x speed for 160 hours of incredible jaru jaru content
This might sound insane, but I think Another Him’s title might somehow be alluding to Ralsei. When it comes to ominous characters who are referred to simply as “Him,” especially in terms of soundtrack, I can only think of Asriel, whose name in Undertale is alluded to slowly until his big reveal of it during his fight, and whose theme is not named for his first name, nor his personality, nor the moment you hear it. It’s simply “His Theme”; so when you hear “Another Him”, my first thought it always “Another Asriel”, which then instantly harkens to Ralsei who is, potentially literally, Another Asriel, or Another Him. The significance of Ralsei being connected to the Vessel’s creation or Gaster or any of the other capital letter songs is not known, which dampens my theory considerably, but I can’t shake it
Field of Hopes and Dreams is the definitive experience of an RPG game that’s just hanging out with friends in an adventure. It may not have much meaning to be lore relevant but it does its job perfectly, carries the emotion of pure joy and just doesn’t need to be connected to the lore as itself is good enough
No party is complete without 3 hours of PianPian on max volume.
Man, you're sleeping so hard on Your Power. You should have factored in how The Holy plays before it, or maybe bundle them together. Being so close to the fountain, the speeches that look back on the chapter, and the fact that it plays for probably the most important moments in the story makes it so special. It brings me chills every time.
I'm not sure I'd call it "the most important moment in the story." I'd probably not put it in my Top 10 Most Important, personally. But I can appreciate why you like it! x)
@@JaruJaruJ Maybe you could say it's the most important thing the player soul does, that would really fit with the name.
Hey Jaru!! Fantastic video I skipped through a few of the portions about songs I’m not as passionate about but this absolutely made my school day LMAO
One thing I wanted to note about Dialtone specifically which you didn’t mention (but really elevates the song for me, though I’m kind of biased as it’s one of my favorites) is that it isn’t just Spamton’s shop theme- the reason why it’s timeline-wise placed after “A Real Boy!” in this is because it’s the theme that plays after Spamton DIES. Dialtone is the background track for Spamton in his final moments, his last bits of true coherence, where he SNAPS out of it (pun intended) and speaks to the party. Dialtone then, to me, becomes the background track for Spamton’s genuine care towards Kris, and with the way it plays in that scene it sounds like acceptance.
It sounds like melancholic, but still hopeful, acceptance- that Kris and their friends might be able to break their own strings, make it in the world the way he couldn’t. Dialtone is crushingly sad to me because of that and I think the tune really encapsulates that scene and the tragedy of Spamton’s character well :]
That’s my two cents! Felt I should share as the local extreme Dialtone Deltarune enjoyer, haha. Loved the vid your longform content truly never misses
Thank you for sharing and for the kind words! x)
this describes perfectly why Dialtone is my fave, why I can put it in non-game music playlists.
that jerky, percussive waltz just breaks my heart
Regarding 'The Door', I think the main melody sounds distinct and interesting enough to be the motif of something we haven't encountered yet. in the comments of a youtube upload of this track @TheFlyfly says "I cant wait for the final boss to have this leitmotif" and though i don't necessarily think that's the case, i think it would be fitting for toby to include this motif later for something important. Edit: It showing up again in The chase arguably makes it it's own motif and gives this idea ground.
the Door's motif is so intriguing. it's been used only thrice in Deltarune so far (and at the climax of the SVN broadcast), but it already has such a strong sense of significance!
i can't wait for the next track that has this leitmotif
@@TheFlyfly Oh hi! I didn't expect that to alert you.
@@LilyCat2399 It didn't..
My favorite thing about Vs. Susie is that the distortion of the eletric guitar in the second segment of the song makes it sound like it's crying, which to be fair, I would be crying too if one of my friends betrayed me but Susie can't cry because she's trapped inside the facade she built around herself.
7:18:00 I've been thinking about this so much the last couple days, and God that's going to be a crazy couple weeks when it drops. Already in just two chapters there are so many extremely specific events that can happen depending on the most inconsequential details, and I feel like every chapter is going to increase the amount of those exponentially. For all we know there could be an interaction in Chapter Five that only triggers if you specifically canceled the Snowgrave route, beat Berdley with violence at least once so his wing gets broken, completed Mettaton's quest but canceled your visit to Papyrus on the third day and doing all that culminates in an item being up for sale in the light world that you can only afford if you've taken every opportunity to get money.
That's mostly an exaggerated joke, but knowing Toby, there is going to be at least one extremely niche event like that
Can't wait to buy *「The Carton」* for $30 from the man who was never hiding behind Sans' Shop, the bringing it back to Top Chief so that「Baker's Arm」can achieve requiem.
I can’t believe you didn’t put “field of hopes and dreams “ in s tier. I listen to that as I walk to the store on a sunny day for MILK. How do you not.
"hey wanna watch a video game analysis video longer than the entire lord of the rings trilogy"
"HELL YEA MY DUDE"
somebody skipping the extended cuts I see. not judging. Just. I noticed that slight
This is my comfort channel :) I love how long the videos are and the way you speak. I’ve watched most of them through many times now and I just can’t wait for more. I’m glad I can give you a little support through Patreon because your content has brought me so much joy and comfort, thank you!
That's incredibly sweet and kind of you! I'm very glad you enjoy my content, and I'm extremely appreciative of your support! It makes me legitimately teary eyed to know I can do this for you and others. Have a fantastic day!
a real boy! is a silly song, but in the moment of the spamton neo fight it really hits hard. He's literally holding on to his last string trying to become free and as it's finaly cut he just drops dead to the floor. That moment made shivers run down my spine, it just hit so different.
It’s like cutting off your life support thinking you are saving yourself
'' to be honest this is just me trying to give you all some content this month as my other projects got delayed''
*video is 8 hours long*
*VIDEO IS 8 HOURS LONG*
Listen, things got out of hand. xD
8 hours of Deltarune content that isnt a livestream? Yup, sounds like Jaru X)
I haven’t even finished the video, and I already love it! The gallery bit absolutely blew my mind, and King is one of if not my favorite character, and I’m glad he’s getting the attention he deserves
Awesome! I'm glad you're enjoying it! :D
Thank you jaru for all your hard work. I love your content and also love how long each video you make is :D
I work security on the grave/weekend nights shift so whenever you upload it gives me something I can pay attention to so I am not bored for the long hours I am at work with nothing to do.
That's awesome! Thank you very much for the kind words, and thank you for watching! :D
I think I know why there are candles in The Door theme. In fiction candles are often a representation of hope as they are literally a small, flickering light in a dark room. We see a lot of candles in castle town and one in seam's shop. But we also see them in card castle as well as in the basement to Jevil's cell, so I'm not sure.
I don't think spamton had anything to do with candles which might state his hopelessness.
I will always respect Jarus willingness to be crucified by this community. That being said, I will be the one nailing his hands to the cross the next time he says he doesn’t like our good good boy Lancer.
xD
@@JaruJaruJ xD
You're gonna be looking like the mystery man!
I call dibs on being the one pulling him onto the cross
i would have a go at a little stab for my round pudding boi
I'll be the one making sure they don't somehow escape I guess is that a job
The title "April 2012" is very likely just a reference to when the designs of the card enemies were first revealed, which was early 2012.
The April 2012 song is simply an unused track Toby made during his time on Homestuck. There's probably no deeper meaning to it and I think he just included it to put a "party song" for that room.
It is also the month deltarune started development
@@shadowspartanzeta7 Really?
i really like that yyoure ranking these in a storytelling and meaning sense, lets us look a lot deeper into the music
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id like to add that the melody in "the chase" is similar to a melody in the song "nightmare knight" that toby made for cucumber quest. I'm not sure if that really means anything cause the theme for noisemaster also had its melody reused for mettatons themes. but I just thought it was an interesting bit of information regardless. even if it doesn't mean anything. cause I just think it's interesting seeing old songs by toby having their melodies reused on new things lol
In regards to ‘The Door’, and the burning Candle noise, I believe the song in addition to playing at the door, also plays in CASTLE TOWN just before you meet with Ralsei for the first time. And along the walls there, there are a verity of blue candles. So it could be an ambient noise integrated for the purposes of that area.
It could mean Toby designed the song for that place first, and only later decided to use it for the door scene where it got its official name. I wonder if we’ll get to hear it sometime again in the future chapters.
That's why I love to watch Jaru. As long as he uploads videos I know I'm not gonna die because of lack of deltarune content. What an absolute madman.
Also, imo, Papyrus IS actually a bit more complex character than just a goofball. And it's kinda sad that he gets reduced to an "uwu silly boy". Toby actually seems to be pretty attached to Papyrus, since he gets a ton of dialogue in undertale if you calll him on the phone. I just wish more people recognized that he is way less naive and more insecure than he appears to be :)
Ok: this will be a long binge over the next few days. But right away I’m Very glad that you included both the scrapped chapter 1 songs (I hope that motif from the fountain track makes a return), the Snowgrave songs (AKA songs that will probably be in future chapters and were recontextualised for Snowgrave like Noelles realisation/Flashback) and some of the sweepstakes songs in this mega video. Cant wait to get stuck in
I’m interested in your point in the gallery section of the video- I have never even thought of that- would be terrifying to find out that he was watching us in our final moments of each dark world- I’m excited to see your new Theory’s coming up!
I FINISHED LISTENING TO THIS, THANK YOU FOR ENTERTAINING EACH OF MY MEALS AND WALKS FOR A FEW WEEKS!
My pleasure! Glad you enjoyed! :D
8 hours? Wow this blows my mind. Great job!
So, this video lead to... about two epiphanies for me, just from listening to the music, and also your explanations and analyzations of that music. Which lead to a lot of theories brewing in my mind. Basically... an explosion of thoughts and stuff, heh.
My first epiphany was... Why it's called the Weird Route in Chapter 2's files, instead of a form of genocide, or another name. Weird Route is very specific, because the name implies it isn't a genocide, it isn't a specific name, because what I think OTHER Weird Routes are going to be now.
Think about what the Weird Route is in Chapter 2, and especially what Jaru thinks the point of the Weird Route in Chapter 2 is. An attempt by the player to make choices matter, when they don't, through killing, and trying to get stronger, using even someone else in that attempt that Kris as a character clearly has emotional attachment to.
Do you know who else that sounds incredibly like? Spamton. In fact... it's exactly Spamton's thoughts by becoming Spamton NEO. That he could become free, and likely, able to challenge the Angel. And immediately after realizing that wouldn't be true, he attempted to try and take Kris' soul in that attempt. it's very much... an echo.
I think it's obvious what I think the Weird Route means now. Each Weird Route we'll see will be an echo of that chapter's secret bosses' mentality, and breakage. The flaws in their reaction of their choices NOT mattering.
What this also gives is something I've wanted DESPERATELY to know since Chapter 2 released. Why didn't Chapter 1 get a Weird Route. It could be passed off as purely to make Chapter 1 more simple, but... I highly doubt that. Think about Jevil's breakage. He's a Hedonist. He's purely accepted that his choices don't matter, and ran with it. What even COULD be the Weird Route of Chapter 1 by that logic. The BEST way to describe the Weird Route Chapter 1 COULD have? Just playing through Chapter 1 itself, having fun with it. Doing whatever you want. The Weird Route of Chapter 1 can't be made, because it is simply... how people are going to play through Chapter 1 anyhow, to be completely honest.
And this leads directly into... My second epiphany.
My second epiphany is... well, split into multiple, to be completely honest. Basing partially off of the previous one. What makes Seam... so knowledgable.
I believe the first and last chapters will not have a Weird Route. Because I believe the secret bosses of the first and last chapters have already accepted the fact that their choices... simply don't matter. Jevil is obvious. And it's pretty obvious that Seam is who I think the last chapter secret boss is, I presume, just by... how this "epiphany" is labeled.
But why? Well... Seam's knowledge. It matches Jevil's and Spamton's, if not more so, and he does know the other two secret bosses so far, something only shown by the other secret bosses. Spamton also foreshadows Mike, which is believed to be Chapter 3's secret boss. Also, Seam's strength. Seam is known to be stronger at base than any of the other characters, even the secret bosses. But how? How would he be stronger than the other secret bosses? How do the secret bosses even know each other? How does he have such knowledge?
Honestly, all these questions are answered by each other, so it's sorta... hard to explain.
Answering the easiest question by this logic, his knowledge. 1. He is able to travel between dark worlds. Pretty logical. How he, the other secret bosses, and Ralsei can travel safely is the interesting part.
I think, from what we've seen, it's strength, in one way or another. We've seen that Ralsei can travel perfectly fine. But we've also seen Lancer and Rouxls Kaard turn to stone after leaving Kris' pocket. But, notice how Lancer turns to stone MUCH quicker than Rouxls Kaard. Rouxls Kaard leaves as soon as getting to the Cyberworld, and yet... Rouxls Kaard only turns to stone in the fight with him, and it's not even full. And it's... pretty likely that Rouxls Kaard actually DOES have some very strong power within him. So... of course the secret bosses, and Ralsei, can travel. They're all INCREDIBLY strong darkners. Which is likely how the secret bosses and Seam know each other, aside from Jevil.
2. Seam has a pure crystal. Not a shadow crystal, a pure crystal. Notice how he is the only person, at all, to acknowledge the shadow crystals at all. He knows what they can actually do, and we KNOW he has the Shadow Mantle, which is almost certainly, as Jaru has stated, connected directly to the Shadow Crystals. So... It's only logical that how Seam knows how the crystals work is because he has used them before. Used them to fight, most likely. Which can also tie back to his strength.
But why would he even fight us? Well... to test us. I believe that Seam is likely to grow fond of us. Yet he also knows there's no chance we stand to give this world choices that matter. So... a simple test. One to give hope, perhaps, or... something of that nature.
So then, why is Seam likely the last secret boss, I suppose is the next question. Storytelling is the main reason. It's incredibly likely, especially by Jaru's theories, that the last chapter is the Roaring. That, if it even does take place in a dark world, it will take place... within the Castle Town. Therefore, the strongest Secret boss, the one who knows EVERYTHING, the one who knows about all the other secret bosses, and has helped us with every other secret boss, is going to be for last.
Wow this was fun to write, heh. If anyone has read all of this... thank you! Please like... respond with flaws and stuff. And Jaru, if you do find this... I wonder if you've already contemplated all of this. In fact, I wonder if anyone has. Seems so... simple, that I honestly doubt someone hasn't.
I love it! Great theory!
Listened to the full thing during my 8 hr work day, dude you're a legend! Thanks so much for the upload, and I really enjoyed the video ❤
You're too kind! Thanks for listening!
My opinions after watching the video: ( it took a while lol )
I think I would put "rude buster" closer to "field of hopes and dreams". While it might technically not hold as much importance and is used a lot, I feel like it deserves a high spot due to it's sheer quality and epicness. Plus spamton sweepstakes gave us a slowed down version of it which makes it me hope we will get some remixes :3
I agree with checker dance's placement. It's a cool, goofy song but it just doesn't really compare to the others. It fits the 2 fights we have with k round but that's kinda it
It's interesting that you placed "vs Susie" so high up. It's really good ofc but I didn't think you love it so much. I would put it a little lower but maybe I'm underrating it
"Don't forget" obviously instant S tier! I'm looking forward to even more of remixes of it and eventually a possible full version representing the whole game
Man, "my castle town" is such a mood. I love how elegant, cslm and peaceful it is. I can just listen to it all day and relax 😴
Yeah, it's unfortunate that sweet captain cakes aren't important and pretty forgettable. They have really cool designs and I like them but they aren't interesting enough to be more beloved. At least they will do some cool stuff in the castle town as was shown in one of the updates
Spamton themes being high up was pretty obvious and very understandable 😂. Spamton is such a unique and deep character and his music reflects that fully. There's just so much chaos, wackiness and it's such a bop
Despite of the fact that queen doesn't have as much relevance, her connections with some characters are still pretty strong. That's why I think "attack of the killer queen" does actually deserve to be at very high A or even S. It sounds too good to be lower imo
Honestly, "BIG SHOT" is currently one of my absolute favourite pieces of music of ALL time. It's so good that I just can't get tired of it lmao. This masterpiece has so many intriguing connection, cool instruments and great vocals. It's an incredible evolution of Spamton that further ties him to concepts like freedom and power. In his NEO version he is even more desperate to be free while still being a wacky puppet salesman that made a deal with you. All the segments of BIG SHOT have something unique to them: it starts of being a more crazy rendition of Spamton, next the "freedom" motif that started with jevil shows up and it sounds so holy, almost like you are ascending to heaven, and then other leitmotifs like power of neo and dummy appear. The music is constantly changing and yet it sticks well together and makes this track even more interesting 💜💛
I don't really have an opinion on the unused tracks, I actually haven't heard some of them until now. The ones that are going to appear in chapters 3-5 are really cool though
So yeah, that's all I had to say 😁
I think you’re heavily underrating Field of H&D. It’s the song you hear at the true start of your adventure, it’s got “With You in the Dark” all over, ON TOP of the masterful instrumentation. It also has universal appeal regardless of whether you know a thing about UT or DR, meaning it can automatically qualify for S tier.
There’s other questionable choices but nothing I’d want to fight on.
I changed my definition of S-Tier as time went on. The curse of an unscripted video. xD
@@JaruJaruJ even so! You missed the connection from “Field of Hopes and Dreams”. It’s not just a reference to the Undertale song, since Ralsei just mentioned those very same words in his retelling of The Legend! It deserves to be above “Another Him” at the very least, that’s all I’m saying.
I feel like I can add a few things in terms of leitmotifs of the songs:
1. For The Beginning, I would like to note that the leitmotif at the end isn't in Undertale the song. I'm pretty sure it actually only plays in Undertale's opening sequence, and Post-True Lab.
2. Lantern is entirely comprised of the leitmotif from Rude Buster, which further hints at Seam's connection to battle.
3. That Fear leitmotif that you mentioned is actually all over Deltarune, If I've heard it correctly the songs with it in are Imminent Death, Vs. Susie, Gallery(when slowed a ton), The Dark Truth, & Digital Roots.
4. Hey Every ! is actually a shorter even shorter version of A Real Boy!
5. Acid Tunnel of love is actually a bit of foreshadowing because it is a variation on Thrash Machine which is also why its in It's pronounced "Rules".
6. The sans leitmotif is also in It's Raining Somewhere Else.
7. Results has the Uwa! Leitmotif.
The way I interpreted The World Revolving is in reference to how Jevil thinks HE'S the only sane one. They "locked up the whole world" in prison, and now he's the only one who is free. Jevil's room may appear to be spinning, but from his point of view, he's perfectly still and the rest of the world are the ones spinning. Hence from his perspective, the World is Revolving around him, and the truth he knows, while his room remains grounded and sane. The outside world spins in madness-not him.
Edit: Oh, also if the time loop theory is real, that would nicely explain it. It would mean his room exists outside of the time reset, perpetually. From his room, he sees things happen, on repeat, forever. The World Revolving would thus reference the cyclical nature of time in the outside world, as viewed from inside his room. And whenever the day inevitably comes when someone lets Jevil out of his cell (as is fated to happen every reset) he always causes mass pandemonium in an attempt to destroy SOMETHING that might destroy the time reset. He has no inhibition, because from his perspective his chaos is intended to end the cycle and he feels justified in destroying as much as he possibly can to hopefully finally end it. But he always fails. Because as soon as he steps out of the room, he becomes subject to the time reset like everyone else. And he's already been thrown in prison before, so his imprisonment will always be fated to happen again and again, no matter what he does.
Interesting!
I just realized something while hearing "Another Him" for the first time in a while.
Imagine if the vessel does make a return. Imagine how many people are going to presumably have to fight bald Frisks in red shirts because we all chose the default options for everything to mash past it all.
Update: About Beginnings: I can actually tell, the trumpet in the song is specifically the one from Earthbound. I can tell because someone ported the song to the Earthbound Randomizer, and the trumpets sound exactly the same.
The settings you gave the Vessel are saved in the files, so it will probably return.
the “don’t forget” motif actually fits in with the time loop theory really well… damnit i’m becoming more and more convinced of it lol.
It's actually funny how Jaru's rant about Choices at 3:00:00 is almost entirely able to be disproven at every point.
Doubt it, but believe what you like. xD
@@JaruJaruJ well, I'll gladly elaborate if you'd like to hear.
To your point about the immediate rebuttal of "Kill or be killed", that does not necessitate it needing to happen for "your choices don't matter." But that doesn't matter, because it does happen. Suzy says your choices don't matter because she's going to eat your face. She doesn't, and then proceeds to actually become your friend.
I think you're really just missing a crucial detail. Jevil is an antagonist. He's a bad guy. His place in the story means that his ideology is contradictory to the truth of the narrative. His reaction to his realization is wrong, obviously, but if this realization is the consistent theme amongst antagonists, that means the realization is flawed, or contradictory to the truth of the theme.
In your analysis of the World Revolving, you say that the theme praises Jevil, and of course it does, it's his theme, he's playing the music. Jevil thinks he is very clever, but just like with Roulxs Kaard's theme, that's just how Jevil sees himself.
And I also disagree with your point that if we disagree with your interpretation of the main theme that we can't agree with other parts. You do a lot of great work and research, even if I don't think you understand what Toby is trying to say. And it's also very entertaining, your style of theory's crafting swings for the fences, which is very courageous. It's easy to want to be very centrist online, but you take big swings and tell grand stories, which I think is really fun.
@@alexknj1I totally agree, there's so much in the game already to imply that your choices _do_ infact matter.
P.S. I don't think "Kill or be killed" is the message either; I don't get why _anyone_ came to that conclusion, _it's silly;_ it wasn't true in Undertale, _and I doubt it is in Deltarune._
@@JaruJaruJI don't wanna keep my "optimistic view" of how the game is gonna end, I don't actually care _too much_ about how it all will end; bad or good, I just mostly wanna see how it plays out.
I just think that the "message" of the game being "your choices don't matter" (when many things show otherwise) is not actually true and is some weird red herring or, more likely, a plot point to show that you're defying what everyone _thinks_ you can or cannot do.
@@JaruJaruJAnother thing is maybe _our_ choices, as the player, _do_ matter; but Kris' choices _don't,_ because _we're_ the ones controlling them, and everyone who says "your choices don't matter" is likely talking to Kris; _not us as the player._
P.S. You don't absolutely know _for sure_ how much Snowgrave will end up changing things, how important it'll be, none of us _know_ these things _for sure_ because the story hasn't fully played out, of course.
P.P.S. Then again; Kris defies our control _almost_ as much in scale as we defy _their_ control, so idk maybe _both_ of our choices matter?
This is the weirdest tierlist I think I've seen, and not in a bad way.
By your commentary, it seems the songs are ranked more so based on their lore and story significance than actually being a song and sounding good.
25:40 "next song, The Door. I believe this plays at The Door..."
XD. LOVE THIS!
wow such a great analysis!! thanks for keeping me entertained while I worked on a huge project !!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed!
It's worth mentioning that "Vs Berdly Alternate" is "Vs Berdly", but only the percussions were kept.
Interesting!
6:54:00 Actually "sans." is used for "It's Raining Somewhere Else", I think the key isn't consistent like its not the same exact note structure raised or lowered by the same amount for each key, but the note pattern is the same (so like Thrash Machine vs Lancer's theme, maybe a bit more dynamic here but). Which... is the "Somewhere Else" Deltarune... but
Gallery has always piqued my interest, it’s definitely the ‘your friend is being threatened’ theme. I have no doubt it will play in exactly the same manner in Chapter 3.
Gallery as in the name, is very interesting as well. An alternate interpretation is that it could be a reference to a *Rogues’ gallery.* Since it always directly involves each of the antagonists.
I hope Toby makes a more elaborate extended version of it for the future.
God dammit I finally finished this video after 2 or 3 weeks lmao. I did not expect to enjoy this as much as I did. At first I was a bit mad with some of the first tracks, but apparently when you start watching a guy yappin for 8 hours, you acquire their mindset a bit.
I decided to do my own thing based on this video: 2 days ago, I started a thing where I comment on every single UTY soundtrack. I have been planning to do it like "1 day=1 track", and I've been enjoying it very much, to just write about them and my experience with them. Now that I think about it, maybe when I finish it in 100 days, I'll make my own video on it! And to think I probably wouldn't try to do it if it wasn't for this video, obligates me to thank u very much for this mini journey Jaru!
My heart shattering into a million pieces during the sweet cap'n'cakes roast.... MY GUYS.... it reminds me of how people reacted to berdly when chapter 2 first came out, it was shocking to me to see people genuinely didnt like him, but ive never seen anyone have that reaction to the sweet cap'n'cakes (not mad btw just fascinated)
I actually like Berdly, so take that how you will. xD
The difference for me is that Berdly is an interesting complex character with unique motivations and goals, and Sweet Cap'n'cakes just... aren't. I like their designs, but besides that they are the epitome of "generic funny RPG side characters" which is fine as that is literally what they are designed to be. But from someone whos a theory crafter and lore enthusiast, and whos favorite parts of the game are the more emotionally resonant parts (which Berdley does have in both regular chapter 2 and in Snowgrave) the Sweet Capn Cakes lack the emotional investment and sweet sweet lore I'm craving so I get a bit annoyed at them from taking up a lot of screen time relative to other side characters in chapter 2. Sorry for the long comment, just wanted to explain us few folks who seem to be outliers regarding the robo bois lol.
Someone else might’ve already said this but April 2012 is referring to the first time Toby started working on Deltarune
This is shown in a tweet he made the day after chapter 1 was released that includes a image showing some dialogue in a txt file dated April 2012
You know the other I was like "Oh I can't wait to see the next long video theory from Jaru" and now I feel the grip of a monkey paw.
I love how the replay bar thing spikes entirely at the Lantern gush lol
Nah dude you're wildin Quiet Autumn is straight A tier
When jaru said that “school” is the first song to incorporate the don’t forget leitmotif, I was so confused. “Beginning” literally SCREAMS “Dont forget”. I can literally sing the lyrics of “don’t forget” but sped up over “Beginning” and it will match perfectly.
These long videos are the best! This will satisfy my craving for Deltarune content for at least a couple days 😆
I think one of the words you were struggling to find to describe My Castle Town might be “melancholy.” It expresses sadness and thoughtfulness at the same time, and is often connected to the idea that sorrow and beauty are inseparably linked, as they certainly are in this game. Thanks for the super long video, perfect to listen to while cooking and cleaning :D
As time goes by, I became enjoying "NOW'S YOUR CHANCE TO BE A" more than a "BIG SHOT"
Still far from finishing this video, but I just wanted to say that I'm loving it so far! Your analysis' are so good. It's always been so fascinating to me seeing how composers convey characters, settings and feelings with music. It's nice to see people analyse music without going into depth with music theory terms
I feel like honestly making susie into a perfectly kind hearted fully reformed person doesnt even make sense?
There was a short time in my life i had no friends when i was little (it was just like two months though) and let me tell you, it SUCKED. I wasnt in that space long but i feel like its safe to assume susie was, based on how she instantly assumes that every one of her classmates hate her. That will cause TRAUMA. Sincerely believing the entire world is against you, that nobody likes you, especially for that long will hurt you long term.
The second kris catches her eating the chalk she instantly assumes they are out to get her, and that everyone else is too. Shes not just mean or angry, shes paranoid.
And her gaining friends doesnt fix that. Thats still something you work through, its not just fixed on a whim, and i feel like it just wouldnt make sense with the clear amount of hurt shes gone through.
The beginning is a super brash marching band style reworking of the “don’t forget” main leightmotif, just speed up and given a little more articulation. Love your work!
Thank you!
Yes, the whole song is Don’t Forget. I think that plays into everything you said about it though, making it disconcerting and dark (especially when you revisit the song later after first hearing Don’t Forget) not just through its hollowness (100% a great description btw) but also its rushed, shallow treatment of Don’t Forget
EDIT: I realise you address this a few songs later!
Ah, I think the word I’m after is manic. It gives it a manic feeling, and I agree that it feels like it may be revisited later to make its disturbing nature more apparent
Another him could have a double meaning due to how similar it is to gaster's theme it could be heard as "another hymn"
well damn my developing obsession with religion in this game has another kernel
All comments on how awesome this video is aside, I do want to say that I love how most of your videos have captions! And not the terrible auto-generated ones, I'm talking REAL captions! With my auditory processing issues that make is hard for me to discern what someone is saying aloud, captions are amazing as I don't have to rewatch a section of a video over and over just to know what someone is saying. Not to mention it greatly limits who I can watch, which is a shame when a lot of good content isn't captioned and the background music it too loud for me to know what someone is saying.
Anyways, thank you for the captions because I'm sure I'm not the only one that greatly appreciates them! :)
My pleasure! I'm glad I can provide that for you. x)
Ye said that couldnt happen for this video but you really couldn't do that
nice pfp! enbee :3
Weird birds is obviously S++ tier.
Any weird birds enjoyers? 🗿
The Door, Cliffs, and the Chase are all strong references to Secret of Evermore’s music. When I first heard them, this blew my mind because I love how atmospheric that game’s music is, and it is also about being pulled into a dark, dangerous world so plays into the story being set.
Edit: Adding that I think the title of “Faint Glow” is really interesting, especially considering Kris is the “light bringer” and has left traces in the save files.
holy shit 8hr podcast of Jaru’s sweet sweet voice
Jaru has a very pleasant voice
Y'all are sweet. x)
the comments on jevils and suzies themes make me so happy. i would make some lengthy comment but youve said everything i ever could about it.
I always took the name "The world revolving" as in jevil thinks the world revolves around him but that explanation sounds better lol
Okay, I finally watched it all. Music tier list and multiple lore discussions packed in one video, amazing.
Although using lore relevance to rate tracks is pretty insane to me xd, I see where you are coming from, but I would never put Cyber World below S tier.
Honestly it may be a hot take but imo seeing Susie reject noelle would be way more interesting than a stereotypical “girl meets girl girl falls in love other girl gives back feelings they all live happily ever after” its just more interesting than that not that I don’t like LQBTQ+ ships or anything like that I just think that’d be more interesting is all
Jaru: **Uploads**
Me: *"I DON'T HAVE ALL DAY!!"*
(I love your videos btw)
(I also use these videos as like a radio talking while studying, I don't ignore Jaru's opinions but still it's fun hearing it like this)
5:09:27 My god I love this accidental bit of Jaru revaluating April 2012 of not deserving to be with "those" tracks more than once and It always makes me think "Well hmm maybe thats true, I dont remember it being _that_ bad" but then I listen to it and nope it really is that bad😭😭 _Slams it back to the D club_
XD
Making an 8 hour long video just as something to tie us over is the sort of unhinged energy I subscribed for
Can we talk about how Ralsei doesn't have a song? Lancer has "Lancer," Susie has "Susie," even Rouxls Kaard has "Rouxls Kaard." Noelle doesn't have a song named after her, but she does have "Girl Next Door, which is clearly her song. But even though Ralsei has told us the "Legend" and the "Dark Truth," HE doesn't have a song.
This seems like a clear hint that we only know what Ralsei SAYS, but we have no idea who he really is.
Indeed!
My computer crashed just as you started talking about spamton's theme.
Also nice video!
Oh no! xD
Deltatune and Undertale music has made me cry. Some of the most beautiful art ever created by humanity. I feel blessed to have people like Toby Fox living here in the same world
Agreed!
After making my own tierlist video over every Undertale ost song, accumulating in about 6 hours of analysis I just want to say, Jaru, you are such a trooper! The sheer amount of time sitting and listening to the music, analyzing it, and editing it all together must have took soooo long. Let us just take a moment to appreciate Jaru's commitment to this channel and Deltarune as a whole.
Also, I think it's kinda funny how a video going over the entirety of Deltarune chapter one, two, and even songs that aren't even in the ost almost beat out the time it took to go over just the 101 Undertale songs. Not trying to imply anything, I just thought it was ironic.
(Also not trying to self-promote but if your trying to find my Undertale ost tierlist [which I was inspired to make by this very video] at the time of commenting, it it almost uploaded. Like I said, it's almost 6 hours long)
Thanks Jaru, still will continue to love the content!
Other youtubers are like "hey sorry for the long video" when it's 15 or 20 minutes long and I'm like noo I want 1 or 2 hour long videos like let's go! And then there's jaru who gives us this gold mine ❤
Hello! Music theory person here - the reason you think Lancer sounds ‘jazzy’ is probably because of its walking bass line in the second section which was rly common in 20th century jazz and blues! :)
That's awesome! Thanks for sharing! :D
Thoughts!
- another him woah the man himself
- beginning I love how toby is also telling that this aint Undertale, but it definitely has its soul and passion!
- school It can work on any rpg game it's so catchy and warm, definitely a recurrent theme, and god forbid but we all know that shits going to hit the fan and this track it's going to deviate to nostalgia
- Susie stupid Barney you almost ate your best friend
- the door it's ominous and functional
- cleeffs
About your question about when the story takes place, remember Kris looking up when college's summer vacation is, and Toriel implies that this visit will be Asriel's first visit back to town since he left meaning no "Thanksgiving" break (if DT universe even has that), no Christmas break, and no spring break. Which is interesting. Either those breaks down don't exist in Deltarune's world, or that Asriel simply didn't want to come back at all those opportunities. Which is very interesting given that one particular theory you have about him.
What you said about "before the story" gave me an idea-- not necessarily one I agree with, but one I could see happening-- in which our heroes lose, don't escape the time loop or what have you, but one of the things that shifts it from bitter to bittersweet is that they're involved, somehow, in making Undertale happen; Toby Fox having been involved (musically) with Homestuck, I'm thinking like a Scratch; for context, for anyone who doesn't know, think of it like, realizing your reality is in some way doomed, and so resetting reality, making it new but with different starting conditions, or with some details rearranged-- like, if Earth and its history is like a deck of cards, taking a few of the cards and putting them elsewhere in the deck;
That got a bit rambling, but, I dig the idea of our heroes realizing the best thing they can do is to get a new world going that has a chance of a happy ending; it would be bittersweet, and I love bittersweet
I completely agree with the tone of that idea!
I really enjoyed listening to your thoughts on the all the music! It helps that DELTARUNE has such a fantastic soundtrack too of course, but I think I've gained new appreciation for some of the tracks.
Your interpretation of a classroom full of children being akin to a "Field of Hopes and Dreams" is one that will surely stick with me for a long time to come.
I think "April 2012" was called that simply because it was created in that month and year. It could also perhaps be when the game that would eventually become DELTARUNE first began development.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed! x)