Can I just say that I actually really enjoy rimmer and lister’s comradery in this episode. It’s nice seeing them banding together and having fun for once.
My favourite exchange of Season 8 is in this story, after Rimmer's going "WE'RE FINISHED", and Lister tells him to can it, asking Holly for advice. "Do you want the long version or the short version?". "The long one?" "You're finished." "What's the short version?!" "Bye". xD Gotta love Holly!
My favorite part (I think it's this episode) when Hollister says they're tormenting a valued and respected member of the crew, and Rimmer just blithely goes "That is absolutely not true, we were tormenting _Mr. Ackermann_ sir". Also Cat saying, "There's an old cat saying: We are all...gonna die!" with an enormous terrified grin on his face.
The fashions make sense when you remember that fashions work in cycles! The 70s came back in the 90s, after all, and right now the 80s are back in style for the THIRD time. XD
ReloadPsi ahh my good sir or madam you forget one important aspect to this debate. It's a mother fucking t rex and all other considerations are invalid
I liked this episode a lot, too. Really the only problem I had with it was that the idea of Pete seemed like it should have been a sub-plot, because a lot of the first part was about Rimmer and Lister going to the Captain's Office. In fact, we hardly see Pete as a sparrow through most of it. If they were going to call it "Pete", then they should have featured him more. Also, I don't know too much about a dinosaur's reproductive system, but if Pete is a male, how can he lay an egg? Furthermore, where would he find a female dinosaur to mate with. The sub-plots make up for this very well and are funny. I just think they either should have shown Pete more as both sparrow and dinosaur or renamed it something else. "Time Wand" comes to mind.
Yeah this isn't like JP where the frog dna fill ins caused the dinosaurs to change genders, so unless Pete had happened to be a similar circumstance as Listers cat Frankenstein...
Aw, you left out Listers SPECTACULAR basketball shot using his head. Clearly not scripted as he runs off celebrating like he’s won the World Cup. Also Kochanski is playing but we never see her scoring any baskets or laughing at the guards and their....obvious inadequacies :p Speaking of Kochanski - did you notice at the dinner where Pete dies that she’s wearing the sparkly dress Lister got her in the previous season? Yay Continuity nods!
Also, a person has to take something into consideration: 1. After 3 million years, where would they suddenly get a cow to put in a vindaloo? 2. What is Birdman doing with a bird if there are no pets allowed on the ship. It is possible that Birdman might have been on the ship with the bird and they sent him to the hole because he didn't want to get rid of it. But still, after 3 million years, would not a cow and a bird have evolved into a humanoid creature like The Cat did?
The cow was probably dead and being kept in a freezer to feed the crew at some point. And I'm not sure why you assume that the bird stayed alive when every human on the ship was killed by radiation. It was killed, then remade by the nanobots just like the crew (and probably the cow as well).
This is still my favourite episode of season 8 and one of my favourites of the whole show. And not's just my being biased by my love of dinosaurs, it's all the scenes with Captain Hollister that make this episode.
2 things was not expecting to hear today. 1. T-Rex doesn't need to Masturbate, he gets all the Ladies. 2. Not often a T-Rex reminds me of my Cat Also I had the unfortunate mishap of eating Chili when you came to the scene of hearing about a 15 feet high Tidal Wave of T-Rex Shit. XD
Ughh...I'm just tired of complaining about Kochanski at this point. BWAHAHAHA! That's the funniest line yet!!! I find it interesting that the things that you like best about this episode, are the same things that annoy me so much! lol As always, I love your videos.
"the things that you like best about this episode, are the same things that annoy me so much!" I get that a lot, about Season 8 in general XD Glad you like the videos ^.^
I think this was the episode that really demonstrated what was so wretched about season 8: the series just went full Looney Tunes. Also the BBC should just never be encouraged to do CGI. They can never afford it to be any good.
Great review, as always.I kinda wish season 8 didn't have the cast stuck in the tank for the whole run.I mean, you'd think Lister and Kochanski would be more determined to tell Captain Holister about how dire the Red Dwarf's situation really is and to throw the space corps protocol out the window. They're millions of light years in deep space and are most likely the last group of humans left in the universe. I know it's a comedy, so that sort of thing doesn't really factor into the Red Dwarf agenda. Still, it would have been neat to see some pre-radiation leak dynamics and interactions between the "boys from the dwarf" and the revived crew.
Ok, so Cyborcat is actually in the right here (qualifications: I did a Biology degree including a module called Avian Diversity that included a section about the evolution of birds). So, first off Dinosaurs are devided into toe main branches: Saurischians (lizard hipped) and Ornithiscians (bird hipped). The branch that includes the dinosaurs that evolved into birds is, you guessed it, the lizard hipped ones... yeah science is confusing sometimes. In any case the lizard hipped dinos have two branches themselves: The Theropods and the Sauropods. The Sauropods are the ones with the long necks like Diplodopcus. The Theropods are the two legged meat eating ones like T-Rex, Allosaurus and Velociraptor. The birds evolved from one of the branches of Therapods, specifically the branch that also has the raptors and related dinos. T-Rex was on a seperate branch of the Therapods, and by the time T-Rex had evolved primitive birds had been around for like 90 million years, longer than the non-avian dinosaurs have been extinct. The dinosaur the sparrow probably would have evolved into would be a small, sparrow-sized raptor-like dinosaur with feathers. The scenario shown in the show is kind of like if the humans were sent back in time evolutionarily and ended up as Telicomys, an extinct species of rodent.
This season has far too many inconsistencies and plain bad writing: Lister and Rimmer getting in trouble for removing all the potato skins, when Rimmer says to the captain that he was trying to get the timewand back, yet the captain didn't, and wasn't supposed, know about that, Kryten accidentally creating the T-rex after using the timewand for various things without issue, nevermind the captain saying how the timewand has too much power to fall into the wrong hands and then giving it to Rimmer and Lister! At the beginning of the season the higher-ups know they've traveled 3 million years into deep space, that Red Dwarf's been magically retrofitted and that Lister and crew crashed a different Starbug to the identical replica clearly seen in the hangar, and that Kryten's from the future 23rd century (although Lister's said previously that he's a 23rd century guy?), so believing their story and getting as much information as possible out of them would make sense, whereas putting them through psychotropic/AR testing to determine if they're guilty of destroying a Starbug that's *still there* and that their story checks out makes none whatsoever. There's many other times where the logic doesn't add up and Lister etc act out of character, and turning RD into a prison comedy with sci-fi trimmings also didn't sit with myself and many other fans; I figured the creators thought them being trapped in deep space by themselves was a similar concept to them being trapped in jail, with the canarie's missions to derelict ships/bases also being equivalents to the crew's previous salvage missions, but they're really not the same as all their previous exploratory and personal freedoms are lost and their dynamic is significantly changed, in no small part to the "Possy" being broken up into two separate groups. That's why I think many fan's and myself rather disliked this season.
Lister saying he’s an enlightened 23rd century guy actually proves he’s from the 22nd century, which is when he was born canonically. This is because what lister said was actually a very common saying. In the 20th century you’d have people calling themselves enlightened 21st century folk as it’s a way of saying they’re ahead of the curve I guess.
If they were going to keep the dinosaur around then I wish they would’ve explained why Kryton didn’t just fix it immediately with the time wand, he just held it then got rid of it. They had plenty of time. They wouldn’t have had a budget issue if they did that. Also why not speed up time for everyone else to end their sentence then destroy the wand?
I LOVE your reviews, but I must say that I find season 8 to be a bit low-ball in the humor. The "Do you know what happens..." speech went on a bit too long, especially considering it involved juvenile poop and burp references. The dinosaur scenes were RIDICULOUS--not because of the CGI but because of the content. Overall, this is the WORST season of Dwarf. The only reason I watch this is to see Rimmer and Lister de-clothed! :D
Well it is true that t Rex's get all the lady's expect when they are the lady's. Then they get all the blokes. Also fun fact trex females were bigger and likely more aggressive than the male. So yay for girl power
Wait a minute..has anybody within the show itself had ever EVEN told off captain hollister,or at the least-reported ANY of holliser's misconduct/breach of code/flipping antics all against the crew (including poor lister and the boys from the dwarf) itself to the Jupiter mining corporation even years prior to the radiation leak/this season in general before..? Like seriously,if I was in that situation I would cuss out the numpty and would've had reported him before I died/got put in status to the employer/other superiors on-ship/via a videocom-message AND THEN be put away first..right,eh..?
He's was a lot more captain-like in series one and two. I guess the stress of finding your ship is millions of years from home has sent him a bit space crazy.
What a disgusting episode. It just leaves you feeling greesely, sweaty, and in dire need of a shower. I think this was the exact point I abandoned the series until RD IX was announced. This episode also reminds me of the times I got into trouble in Kindergarten and Elementary School and got sent to the Principal's Office in an endless cycle of punishment that made this episode extra unpleasant. I couldn't bring myself to find humor in this situation.
Pretty much the entire CGI budget went into this two-parter considering almost everything else looks bad, even by the standards of when this season came out My favourite joke though was Hollister describing the horrors of having...that in his shorts lol
Man, this episode sucked so much, that I can’t even stand you talking about it! I remember the first time around, i stopped watching RD after part one of this ... it was dead to me
Can I just say that I actually really enjoy rimmer and lister’s comradery in this episode. It’s nice seeing them banding together and having fun for once.
My favourite exchange of Season 8 is in this story, after Rimmer's going "WE'RE FINISHED", and Lister tells him to can it, asking Holly for advice. "Do you want the long version or the short version?". "The long one?" "You're finished." "What's the short version?!" "Bye". xD Gotta love Holly!
The cow getting lowered into the vindaloo is another Jurassic Park reference - in JP they lowered a cow into the Velociraptor enclosure to feed them.
Could be, I didn't think of that one.
My favorite part (I think it's this episode) when Hollister says they're tormenting a valued and respected member of the crew, and Rimmer just blithely goes "That is absolutely not true, we were tormenting _Mr. Ackermann_ sir". Also Cat saying, "There's an old cat saying: We are all...gonna die!" with an enormous terrified grin on his face.
Yeah, that Rimmer line was great. Wish I could have left it in, but I have to be careful not to let clips run too long.
The fashions make sense when you remember that fashions work in cycles! The 70s came back in the 90s, after all, and right now the 80s are back in style for the THIRD time. XD
True =P
T-Rex sleeping on it’s back: my dog in a nutshell.
Life uhhhh, finds a smegging way.
I don't know why, but I used to call Pete Pt. 2 "Repeat".
I love the show's use of the theme from The Great Escape. This ep and Queeg.
It is a fact any story can be improved buy the introduction of a T. rex.
alaster boneman But can it still be improved by the addition of a BBC CGI T-rex...?
ReloadPsi but of course any T. rex improves the quality of any product by a fector of 25% it's a true fact
alaster boneman I think in this case you're still dealing with a times zero equation, especially when it concerns BBC CGI :P
ReloadPsi ahh my good sir or madam you forget one important aspect to this debate. It's a mother fucking t rex and all other considerations are invalid
Stop. It's not an improvement. This is Series 8 Red Dwarf.
Cassandra, Krytie TV and Pete was a brilliant run of episodes in a great season full of laughs. great review Cyborcat!
Yeah, this is a two-parter where the first episode is WAAAAYYYYYY better than the second.
I liked this episode a lot, too. Really the only problem I had with it was that the idea of Pete seemed like it should have been a sub-plot, because a lot of the first part was about Rimmer and Lister going to the Captain's Office. In fact, we hardly see Pete as a sparrow through most of it. If they were going to call it "Pete", then they should have featured him more. Also, I don't know too much about a dinosaur's reproductive system, but if Pete is a male, how can he lay an egg? Furthermore, where would he find a female dinosaur to mate with. The sub-plots make up for this very well and are funny. I just think they either should have shown Pete more as both sparrow and dinosaur or renamed it something else. "Time Wand" comes to mind.
Yeah this isn't like JP where the frog dna fill ins caused the dinosaurs to change genders, so unless Pete had happened to be a similar circumstance as Listers cat Frankenstein...
Little Kochanski and Cat are adorbs. Not giving them many lines was a good call. Child actors are usually bad at playing children.
Quite a few not so subtle references to movies in this episode:
Mean Machine
Shawshank Redemption
Jurassic Park
This is my personal 3rd favourite episode of red dwarf
Aw, you left out Listers SPECTACULAR basketball shot using his head. Clearly not scripted as he runs off celebrating like he’s won the World Cup.
Also Kochanski is playing but we never see her scoring any baskets or laughing at the guards and their....obvious inadequacies :p
Speaking of Kochanski - did you notice at the dinner where Pete dies that she’s wearing the sparkly dress Lister got her in the previous season? Yay Continuity nods!
Also, a person has to take something into consideration:
1. After 3 million years, where would they suddenly get a cow to put in a vindaloo?
2. What is Birdman doing with a bird if there are no pets allowed on the ship. It is possible that Birdman might have been on the ship with the bird and they sent him to the hole because he didn't want to get rid of it. But still, after 3 million years, would not a cow and a bird have evolved into a humanoid creature like The Cat did?
The cow was probably dead and being kept in a freezer to feed the crew at some point.
And I'm not sure why you assume that the bird stayed alive when every human on the ship was killed by radiation. It was killed, then remade by the nanobots just like the crew (and probably the cow as well).
Anyone else forget holly was even in this story.
This is still my favourite episode of season 8 and one of my favourites of the whole show. And not's just my being biased by my love of dinosaurs, it's all the scenes with Captain Hollister that make this episode.
Fun fact, Baxter is played by the comedian Ricky Grover who also does the voice for Yangus in Dragon Quest VIII
finally nearing the end of series 8! the skutters are still great even in the worst season
2 things was not expecting to hear today.
1. T-Rex doesn't need to Masturbate, he gets all the Ladies.
2. Not often a T-Rex reminds me of my Cat
Also I had the unfortunate mishap of eating Chili when you came to the scene of hearing about a 15 feet high Tidal Wave of T-Rex Shit. XD
The best part of that episode imho is Captain Hollister recounting the ordeal he and the crew been through with the dinosaur 😂
That's one way to sabotage an opposing basketball team having to do a handstand to take a leak that must've been hard for Hollister 🤣🤣🤣
Cat's race existed in the sixties, they were just... cats.
Can't wait till you get to the latest episodes & alternative universe cat "mr rat" lol "Yeah"
Dean Roberts yo Krytie! Where my dinner at!
And that godawful episode where they attempt social commentary with a society where no one can criticise. It’s SO ham fisted and on the nose.
i'd like a spin off series from that reality
*14:45** Wow! You'd think after 8 seasons they'd be able to hide the boom mic better.*
“Keep absolutely still. Its vision is based on movement.”
Ughh...I'm just tired of complaining about Kochanski at this point. BWAHAHAHA! That's the funniest line yet!!!
I find it interesting that the things that you like best about this episode, are the same things that annoy me so much! lol
As always, I love your videos.
"the things that you like best about this episode, are the same things that annoy me so much!"
I get that a lot, about Season 8 in general XD
Glad you like the videos ^.^
If they hadn't changed back and rounded up Pete, this could've been a Frankenstein(cat) situation where later we get bird/dinosaur people.
I hope when you review the s8 finale, you mention the alternative ending they filmed. I'd like to know your thoughts on it.
Great review and the best ever RD
This arc is like if Hogan Heroes was set in space lololol
Gosh, this was truly truly weird!
I think this was the episode that really demonstrated what was so wretched about season 8: the series just went full Looney Tunes.
Also the BBC should just never be encouraged to do CGI. They can never afford it to be any good.
I dunno, Hollister being proud of his you-know-what could have worked if at first it was like that, but then the bad stuff started.
LOL! Ol' Kryters looks like a Conehead cosplay gone horribly, horribly wrong! XD
*Pete Wentz* on board ship.
Great review, as always.I kinda wish season 8 didn't have the cast stuck in the tank for the whole run.I mean, you'd think Lister and Kochanski would be more determined to tell Captain Holister about how dire the Red Dwarf's situation really is and to throw the space corps protocol out the window. They're millions of light years in deep space and are most likely the last group of humans left in the universe. I know it's a comedy, so that sort of thing doesn't really factor into the Red Dwarf agenda. Still, it would have been neat to see some pre-radiation leak dynamics and interactions between the "boys from the dwarf" and the revived crew.
6:57 Birdman should have been in more episodes
I loved the Dinosaurs are Geordies comment from Lister. As a Geordie, I can confirm it’s true, the one flaw is my dislike of curry
Would it not be direct ancestor?
Considering that birds already existed alongside dinosaurs by the time T Rex was around, it's pretty unlikely.
Cyborcat well birds are dinos
Cyborcat
Then again, birds are the direct descendants of dinosaurs.
Ok, so Cyborcat is actually in the right here (qualifications: I did a Biology degree including a module called Avian Diversity that included a section about the evolution of birds).
So, first off Dinosaurs are devided into toe main branches:
Saurischians (lizard hipped) and Ornithiscians (bird hipped). The branch that includes the dinosaurs that evolved into birds is, you guessed it, the lizard hipped ones... yeah science is confusing sometimes.
In any case the lizard hipped dinos have two branches themselves: The Theropods and the Sauropods. The Sauropods are the ones with the long necks like Diplodopcus. The Theropods are the two legged meat eating ones like T-Rex, Allosaurus and Velociraptor.
The birds evolved from one of the branches of Therapods, specifically the branch that also has the raptors and related dinos. T-Rex was on a seperate branch of the Therapods, and by the time T-Rex had evolved primitive birds had been around for like 90 million years, longer than the non-avian dinosaurs have been extinct. The dinosaur the sparrow probably would have evolved into would be a small, sparrow-sized raptor-like dinosaur with feathers.
The scenario shown in the show is kind of like if the humans were sent back in time evolutionarily and ended up as Telicomys, an extinct species of rodent.
This season has far too many inconsistencies and plain bad writing: Lister and Rimmer getting in trouble for removing all the potato skins, when Rimmer says to the captain that he was trying to get the timewand back, yet the captain didn't, and wasn't supposed, know about that, Kryten accidentally creating the T-rex after using the timewand for various things without issue, nevermind the captain saying how the timewand has too much power to fall into the wrong hands and then giving it to Rimmer and Lister! At the beginning of the season the higher-ups know they've traveled 3 million years into deep space, that Red Dwarf's been magically retrofitted and that Lister and crew crashed a different Starbug to the identical replica clearly seen in the hangar, and that Kryten's from the future 23rd century (although Lister's said previously that he's a 23rd century guy?), so believing their story and getting as much information as possible out of them would make sense, whereas putting them through psychotropic/AR testing to determine if they're guilty of destroying a Starbug that's *still there* and that their story checks out makes none whatsoever. There's many other times where the logic doesn't add up and Lister etc act out of character, and turning RD into a prison comedy with sci-fi trimmings also didn't sit with myself and many other fans; I figured the creators thought them being trapped in deep space by themselves was a similar concept to them being trapped in jail, with the canarie's missions to derelict ships/bases also being equivalents to the crew's previous salvage missions, but they're really not the same as all their previous exploratory and personal freedoms are lost and their dynamic is significantly changed, in no small part to the "Possy" being broken up into two separate groups. That's why I think many fan's and myself rather disliked this season.
Lister saying he’s an enlightened 23rd century guy actually proves he’s from the 22nd century, which is when he was born canonically. This is because what lister said was actually a very common saying. In the 20th century you’d have people calling themselves enlightened 21st century folk as it’s a way of saying they’re ahead of the curve I guess.
If they were going to keep the dinosaur around then I wish they would’ve explained why Kryton didn’t just fix it immediately with the time wand, he just held it then got rid of it. They had plenty of time. They wouldn’t have had a budget issue if they did that.
Also why not speed up time for everyone else to end their sentence then destroy the wand?
Anytime the characters do something that doesn’t seem to make sense, remember that they’re not very bright.
Yeah immediately throwing the Time Wand to Bob(who's slow) wasn't the best idea.
I LOVE your reviews, but I must say that I find season 8 to be a bit low-ball in the humor. The "Do you know what happens..." speech went on a bit too long, especially considering it involved juvenile poop and burp references. The dinosaur scenes were RIDICULOUS--not because of the CGI but because of the content.
Overall, this is the WORST season of Dwarf. The only reason I watch this is to see Rimmer and Lister de-clothed! :D
Apologises for being late because he's getting it on with the science officer's wife and took him a long to get out of his batman costume 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well it is true that t Rex's get all the lady's expect when they are the lady's. Then they get all the blokes. Also fun fact trex females were bigger and likely more aggressive than the male. So yay for girl power
I forgot this was a two-parter O_O
Wait a minute..has anybody within the show itself had ever EVEN told off captain hollister,or at the least-reported ANY of holliser's misconduct/breach of code/flipping antics all against the crew (including poor lister and the boys from the dwarf) itself to the Jupiter mining corporation even years prior to the radiation leak/this season in general before..? Like seriously,if I was in that situation I would cuss out the numpty and would've had reported him before I died/got put in status to the employer/other superiors on-ship/via a videocom-message AND THEN be put away first..right,eh..?
He's was a lot more captain-like in series one and two. I guess the stress of finding your ship is millions of years from home has sent him a bit space crazy.
I buy that.
Obviously not, or else they would have found out that he's really Dennis the Donut Boy.
11:41 - 11:46
That is one big pile of shit.
Also the tagline for Season 8.
Olson from Star Trek 2009 is just a rip-off of Kill Crazy with an engineering degree.
I haven't seen that, but now I want to XD
Kill Crazy was able to re-program Kryten, so you may be on to something there . . .
These is the only two good episodes of the series... and I love birdman, even though he is welsh! hehe
What a disgusting episode. It just leaves you feeling greesely, sweaty, and in dire need of a shower. I think this was the exact point I abandoned the series until RD IX was announced. This episode also reminds me of the times I got into trouble in Kindergarten and Elementary School and got sent to the Principal's Office in an endless cycle of punishment that made this episode extra unpleasant. I couldn't bring myself to find humor in this situation.
Pretty much the entire CGI budget went into this two-parter considering almost everything else looks bad, even by the standards of when this season came out
My favourite joke though was Hollister describing the horrors of having...that in his shorts lol
im a geordie lol
Man, this episode sucked so much, that I can’t even stand you talking about it!
I remember the first time around, i stopped watching RD after part one of this ... it was dead to me
funny, you seem to have an issue with sexual humour relating to women, but say nothing about humour relating to men.
Gee, it's almost as if women are the targets of sexual humor a lot more than men are.