“Yeah, well you’re dead anyway so fuck off”. I laughed so hard at that! Also loved your little squee when Rimmer’s putting his plan into action. (As a Rimmer girl myself, I was squee-ing right along with you. :) )
"A cornered fox is more dangerous than a jackal!" - Grey Fox, Metal Gear Solid, 1995 This quote is to describe the scene when the dwarfers destroyed 4 simulant death ships.
Great vlog! I've always found Rimmer to be one of the most dynamic and nuanced characters in the history of television... who knew you could root so hard for a complete bastard? Lol
2:29 - This might be a call back to something that happens in the Red Dwarf novel "Backwards" during a version of the scene where Ace Rimmer first arrives. Except it's Kryten doing the butt-plugging. As it were. 7:48 - Yeah, as a master procrastinator myself that passage from IWCD hit waaaay too close to home :( PS - it's "eye-oh" not "ee-oh" ;)
I was surprised at how much I enjoyed season 10 and was genuinely disappointed that they didn't choose to end the series with The Beginning, which would have been the PERFECT bookend to the series as a whole. Like you, I don't actually hate seasons 11 and 12 (I especially liked that that dialed Cat's wardrobe back to something that felt more in character to me) and there's certainly a few good episodes in there, because I remember enjoying what I saw, but I also barely remember them which isn't a good sign for one Red Dwarf series, much less two.
Love Haugie the Rougey - you could have loads of throw away scenes with him popping up at the start and end of episodes as a recurring character - that history is all there in this episode.
I really love series 10 overall, especially this episode. I think the callbacks to season one meant this probably was written as an ending for the entire show, in case they didn't get another season, especially as Craig Charles was still working full time on Coronation Street at this point, and Danny was being called away each year to shoot Death in Paradise, so they didn't know if the actors would be available again for a while. They did the same thing at the end of season 12, what with Norman Lovett coming back, and Rimmer wearing his original costume, though we know they are still likely to continue the show!
Well seeing as Danny has now left Death In Paradise and has probably had his reputation irreversibly fucked over because of the Strictly incident he’s probably open to more series same for Craig as he left Corrie
Rimmer has always been my favourite character so I was probably always going to love this season in general and this episode in particular but I think everyone had good stuff to do - 'Fathers and Suns' is one of my top Lister stories. I like Kochanski more than most (though I agree she was badly treated by Season 8) so I was a little disappointed she never showed up but it was sweet to see she wasn't forgotten. I guess overall I'm in the same boat as you - I liked 11 and 12 but this would have been a great point to end the show on.
I maintain that at some point between Only the Good and Back to Earth, Rimmer died (again), and they brought him back as a hologram, and uploaded the memories of the old Rimmer that they had stored somewhere (doesn't really matter where), so he remembers everything up to when the old Rimmer became the new Ace, as well as his memories from Season 8.
@@Cyborcat pretty similar to my idea. Though I had the idea that Rimmer found a way back in time went into the mirror world and got the antidote and returned at the point of the original deleted ending but died after touching death in the broadcast ending and after that they did the whole bring back as hologram but keep the memories of both rimmers.
Season 10 was great, and this was my favourite episode of the whole season. I thought Rimmer overcoming his issues with his father due to his change of perception about who he is and where he is from was the perfect way to tie up his story. This show has also always made low level commentary on British class-ism, and I thought this played into that well. I cannot wait for your commentary on the next two seasons.
Y'know, the girl who has a crush on teen Rimmer reminds me of Professor E from Entangled. Idk, they just look really similar to me, which is kinda cool imo.
This was a brilliant review to wrap up this season with. Hearing you talk about "Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers" really makes me want to hear your opinion on the Red Dwarf novels. I know some of them copy individual episodes beat for beat, but things like "better than life" where there is no constraints on things like a budget and the creators were free to write down whatever fantasies they wanted for each of the characters was great (Cat easily has the best fantasy). Maybe you'll talk about those one day after the series wraps up. :)
I think the most poignant end for the crew was at the end of the book "The Last Human". It might not have fit with the comedy of the show, but it had me in tears when I read the book.
"I did it the Reicht way." As a german I was laughing my ass off at that. Especially considering it doesn't work here grammatically. Man, I so wish I could watch Red Dwarf on Netflix or Prime, but it isn't aviable for me. Thank you Dena for introducing me to this series. Hope you have a nice day or evening!
I loved series 11 and 12 but i think your right about this one being a great ending, it has a real movie feel to it triumphant ending great music and Rimmer closes his arc when he's finally freed of his father's disappointment .
My theory regarding Rimmer is that the original hologram Rimmer returned hence why he has memories of previous adventures, and passed the mantle of Ace Rimmer onto the resurrected Rimmer.
I think he's the nano Rimmer who died at some point and was resurrected with the original hologram Rimmer's memories up to Stoke Me a Clipper...but we're probably all wrong.
I adore this episode! Best Rimmer episode since Stoke Me A Clipper but also hilarious. Also has a great Cat moment when he's talking to Rimmer which I'm guessing you'll talk about more in the Cat video. While Series 11 and 12 do have good episodes, I agree that The Beginning would have been a fitting last episode for the reasons you mentioned. As is, if we don't get anymore Red Dwarf, I'm also quite happy with how Series 12 ended as well, but this one was still better.
God i love season 10 so much. in my own head cannon, this episode will always be the last one. it is the perfect end to the show. As much as I love S11 and 12 they don't reach the same level of quality as 10 did, in my opinion.
This whole ep was hyped up so much and I think it was worth it all if you ask me. Also, I do agree Red Dwarf kind of become I would say meh kind of after season 10 and well while it does not retrack to season 8 in terms of how it is I think it is still good. I can't wait to see your take on the next seasons and anything else in between then.
I am not a fan of the father reveal personally. i think the past series have given us enough on why Rimmer is the way he is and its simply down to his upbringing... while this episode at times gives off the impression his bloodline is a big part of why he is a failure, rather than the simple idea that Rimmer was sculpted by his upbringing. After over 8+ series of explaining Rimmers character, this episode tries to take all of that and throw a spanner into it that sounds more grander then what the 30 minute of episode is able to cover. Especially when about 5 episodes previous we also had another twist with Howard being exactly like Rimmer... its like what was once a simple set up for Rimmers family has become a game of twist. just without the screentime to cover how anything makes sense to the legacy and everything we had heard about in the series.
I disagree with your assessment regarding this. I feel that having Rimmer's brother be subject to the same neuroses and failures is consistent with what has been established before. Rimmer himself is also stated to have lied to his family about being an officer in an early episode where he gets the letter that confirms his father's death. Rimmer's father himself is a failure who wasn't able to join the space corp because of his height and actively abused his children, placing them on racks to stretch them and denying them food if they failed to answer quizzes about space travel causing Arnold to divorce his parents, essentially gaining emancipation so that he could get away from the toxicity of his home life. It's also no wonder that his mother had so many affairs outside of the marriage given the monstrous way her husband treated everyone around him. Learning that he wasn't part of some ancient noble bloodline and didn't have to live up to the absurd levels of expectation put upon him in concert with learning that the brothers he envied were just as broken as him would enable him to see his father for the pathetic little man he was. Rimmer still has issues with the way he treats the people around him and refuses to accept responsibility for many of his personal failings but a lot of that is tied to his wish to emulate and impress the man who routinely physically and emotionally abused him and his siblings, and possibly his mother as well. Tl,Dr: this arc of Rimmer moving beyond his abusive childhood is handled fairly well in my opinion, though the fact that future episodes don't reference this development much is a bit disapointing IMO.
My idea for an ending to red dwarf is that they would make it back but we wouldn't see them on earth and we would see them with the cat people from the promised land and lister and rimmer say together "The slimes have made it home"
I had the idea that Rimmer after kicking death at the end of season 8 found a way back in time went into the mirror world and got the antidote and returned at the point of the original deleted ending but died after touching death in the broadcast ending and after that they did the whole bring back as hologram but keep the memories of both rimmers.
Looking back series 10 is better than I felt at the time, I think letting time pass and then giving a rewatch can help sometimes, when you watch things as they come out it can be hard to process especially with complex plots like this show has. I agree this probably should've been the last series though and Doug deliberately trolling the audience about how series 8's finale is never resolved is just a big fingers up to the fandom in my opinion and yes you should do a video about that as his sloppy approach to plotline resolutions should be highlighted. Anyway Ive caught up to your latest video now so now I guess Ill have to wait a while for your next. Good analysis anyway though your viewpoints are interesting, cheers.
My theory on Rimmer's timeline was that his Season 8 self died at some point, and they made a new Rimmer that combined the Season 6 Rimmer just before he left to become Ace and Season 8 Rimmer. Or he's our Rimmer that became Ace Rimmer who decided that being Ace wasn't for him so he ditched being Ace and returned to the crew, and they incorporated dead Season 8 Rimmer into him (by design or by accident).
i love series 10, 11 is ok but 12 is up there with 1-6 and 12s finale much like this episode would work as an ending point but its (unofficially) confirmed that were getting more episodes thankfully
I remember not liking 11 too much, but liking 12 better. But that's why I wanna watch them again to make sure that my expectations weren't just too high or something.
The first ever red dwarf episode I saw & will always be my favourite episode. Funny, action packed & Rimmer is just great in this one. I also agree this would've ended the show on a high note & is in a way the perfect finale. While I like series 11 & 12, they’re nowhere near as good or memorable as the older series (despite following the format of 3-6)
I love red dwarf, but honestly….I find the later seasons a bit sad and depressing. Same with always sunny…my favourite comedy show EVER. But same thing…the later seasons just have older people acting young and it hits my brain wrong. I want red dwarf with older people acting older, being older, changed in some ways. But everyone acts like nothing has changed.
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This whole season can be summed up as "Rimmer becomes a better version of himself" and that is why I love this season
“Yeah, well you’re dead anyway so fuck off”. I laughed so hard at that! Also loved your little squee when Rimmer’s putting his plan into action. (As a Rimmer girl myself, I was squee-ing right along with you. :) )
This is another Rimmer episode that isn't about how much Rimmer sucks, so I liked it!
My favorite part is their reaction to Hoagie at the end -- the exasperation & resignation where one would typically expect fear.
"A cornered fox is more dangerous than a jackal!" - Grey Fox, Metal Gear Solid, 1995
This quote is to describe the scene when the dwarfers destroyed 4 simulant death ships.
Great vlog! I've always found Rimmer to be one of the most dynamic and nuanced characters in the history of television... who knew you could root so hard for a complete bastard? Lol
I love this episode. Was s nice to see Rimmer finally get a win!
2:29 - This might be a call back to something that happens in the Red Dwarf novel "Backwards" during a version of the scene where Ace Rimmer first arrives. Except it's Kryten doing the butt-plugging. As it were.
7:48 - Yeah, as a master procrastinator myself that passage from IWCD hit waaaay too close to home :(
PS - it's "eye-oh" not "ee-oh" ;)
I was surprised at how much I enjoyed season 10 and was genuinely disappointed that they didn't choose to end the series with The Beginning, which would have been the PERFECT bookend to the series as a whole.
Like you, I don't actually hate seasons 11 and 12 (I especially liked that that dialed Cat's wardrobe back to something that felt more in character to me) and there's certainly a few good episodes in there, because I remember enjoying what I saw, but I also barely remember them which isn't a good sign for one Red Dwarf series, much less two.
Rimmer's finest hour! *wipes proud tear* XD
Love Haugie the Rougey - you could have loads of throw away scenes with him popping up at the start and end of episodes as a recurring character - that history is all there in this episode.
I really love series 10 overall, especially this episode. I think the callbacks to season one meant this probably was written as an ending for the entire show, in case they didn't get another season, especially as Craig Charles was still working full time on Coronation Street at this point, and Danny was being called away each year to shoot Death in Paradise, so they didn't know if the actors would be available again for a while. They did the same thing at the end of season 12, what with Norman Lovett coming back, and Rimmer wearing his original costume, though we know they are still likely to continue the show!
Damn Red Dwarf is just the luckiest show in existence
Well seeing as Danny has now left Death In Paradise and has probably had his reputation irreversibly fucked over because of the Strictly incident he’s probably open to more series same for Craig as he left Corrie
@@mrcritical6751 Series 13 will be in production next year Danny and Robert confirmed it this year at an April fan convention.
Treating it like an exam? They are doomed!
Rimmer has always been my favourite character so I was probably always going to love this season in general and this episode in particular but I think everyone had good stuff to do - 'Fathers and Suns' is one of my top Lister stories. I like Kochanski more than most (though I agree she was badly treated by Season 8) so I was a little disappointed she never showed up but it was sweet to see she wasn't forgotten. I guess overall I'm in the same boat as you - I liked 11 and 12 but this would have been a great point to end the show on.
I maintain that at some point between Only the Good and Back to Earth, Rimmer died (again), and they brought him back as a hologram, and uploaded the memories of the old Rimmer that they had stored somewhere (doesn't really matter where), so he remembers everything up to when the old Rimmer became the new Ace, as well as his memories from Season 8.
Yeah, that's the one I prefer too.
@@Cyborcat pretty similar to my idea. Though I had the idea that Rimmer found a way back in time went into the mirror world and got the antidote and returned at the point of the original deleted ending but died after touching death in the broadcast ending and after that they did the whole bring back as hologram but keep the memories of both rimmers.
Set a cause for Red Dwarf The slime’s coming home
Course
#bringbackHogi
Season 10 was great, and this was my favourite episode of the whole season. I thought Rimmer overcoming his issues with his father due to his change of perception about who he is and where he is from was the perfect way to tie up his story.
This show has also always made low level commentary on British class-ism, and I thought this played into that well.
I cannot wait for your commentary on the next two seasons.
Y'know, the girl who has a crush on teen Rimmer reminds me of Professor E from Entangled. Idk, they just look really similar to me, which is kinda cool imo.
This was a brilliant review to wrap up this season with.
Hearing you talk about "Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers" really makes me want to hear your opinion on the Red Dwarf novels. I know some of them copy individual episodes beat for beat, but things like "better than life" where there is no constraints on things like a budget and the creators were free to write down whatever fantasies they wanted for each of the characters was great (Cat easily has the best fantasy). Maybe you'll talk about those one day after the series wraps up. :)
I thought that map was going to come back in future seasons and open up a season long arc, but it looks like they've forgotten about it.
I was so proud of Rimmer in this episode.
I think the most poignant end for the crew was at the end of the book "The Last Human". It might not have fit with the comedy of the show, but it had me in tears when I read the book.
Well Rimmer, congratulations. You earned that one
I absolutely love the audiences’ reaction to the ‘shush’ in this ep. makes the whole laugh track worth it.
"I did it the Reicht way." As a german I was laughing my ass off at that.
Especially considering it doesn't work here grammatically.
Man, I so wish I could watch Red Dwarf on Netflix or Prime, but it isn't aviable for me.
Thank you Dena for introducing me to this series.
Hope you have a nice day or evening!
this really brings some of the more sympathetic rimmer material into the series that was missing after the doug naylor split
I love this series of videos, I watched them all across my trip to America lately to catch up, just wanted to send some support and best wishes
Thanks, glad you like 'em ^.^
I loved series 11 and 12 but i think your right about this one being a great ending, it has a real movie feel to it triumphant ending great music and Rimmer closes his arc when he's finally freed of his father's disappointment .
My theory regarding Rimmer is that the original hologram Rimmer returned hence why he has memories of previous adventures, and passed the mantle of Ace Rimmer onto the resurrected Rimmer.
My theory is that the RD writers do not and never have cared about continuity. Except it's not a theory, this is actually the case.
That's everyone's theory except mine, apparently.
I think he's the nano Rimmer who died at some point and was resurrected with the original hologram Rimmer's memories up to Stoke Me a Clipper...but we're probably all wrong.
I agree. I think he came back to rescue nano Rimmer who became the next Ace.
In all honesty I could see this season, with a few tweeks being the red dwarf movie.
I heard that they adapted parts of the movie script for this episode
I adore this episode! Best Rimmer episode since Stoke Me A Clipper but also hilarious. Also has a great Cat moment when he's talking to Rimmer which I'm guessing you'll talk about more in the Cat video. While Series 11 and 12 do have good episodes, I agree that The Beginning would have been a fitting last episode for the reasons you mentioned. As is, if we don't get anymore Red Dwarf, I'm also quite happy with how Series 12 ended as well, but this one was still better.
God i love season 10 so much. in my own head cannon, this episode will always be the last one. it is the perfect end to the show. As much as I love S11 and 12 they don't reach the same level of quality as 10 did, in my opinion.
If only they ended it here. Or when they talked to the Universe itself. Or when they recreated the very first scene of the very first episode
This whole ep was hyped up so much and I think it was worth it all if you ask me. Also, I do agree Red Dwarf kind of become I would say meh kind of after season 10 and well while it does not retrack to season 8 in terms of how it is I think it is still good. I can't wait to see your take on the next seasons and anything else in between then.
6:20 Well, Lister did promise he'd never mention gazpacho soup again, so maybe that explains that little continuity error.
I am not a fan of the father reveal personally. i think the past series have given us enough on why Rimmer is the way he is and its simply down to his upbringing... while this episode at times gives off the impression his bloodline is a big part of why he is a failure, rather than the simple idea that Rimmer was sculpted by his upbringing.
After over 8+ series of explaining Rimmers character, this episode tries to take all of that and throw a spanner into it that sounds more grander then what the 30 minute of episode is able to cover.
Especially when about 5 episodes previous we also had another twist with Howard being exactly like Rimmer... its like what was once a simple set up for Rimmers family has become a game of twist. just without the screentime to cover how anything makes sense to the legacy and everything we had heard about in the series.
I disagree with your assessment regarding this.
I feel that having Rimmer's brother be subject to the same neuroses and failures is consistent with what has been established before.
Rimmer himself is also stated to have lied to his family about being an officer in an early episode where he gets the letter that confirms his father's death.
Rimmer's father himself is a failure who wasn't able to join the space corp because of his height and actively abused his children, placing them on racks to stretch them and denying them food if they failed to answer quizzes about space travel causing Arnold to divorce his parents, essentially gaining emancipation so that he could get away from the toxicity of his home life. It's also no wonder that his mother had so many affairs outside of the marriage given the monstrous way her husband treated everyone around him.
Learning that he wasn't part of some ancient noble bloodline and didn't have to live up to the absurd levels of expectation put upon him in concert with learning that the brothers he envied were just as broken as him would enable him to see his father for the pathetic little man he was.
Rimmer still has issues with the way he treats the people around him and refuses to accept responsibility for many of his personal failings but a lot of that is tied to his wish to emulate and impress the man who routinely physically and emotionally abused him and his siblings, and possibly his mother as well.
Tl,Dr: this arc of Rimmer moving beyond his abusive childhood is handled fairly well in my opinion, though the fact that future episodes don't reference this development much is a bit disapointing IMO.
This is the best episode of series 10
Kinda appropriate that a season ends with “The Beginning”. Y’know, considering how it began.
My idea for an ending to red dwarf is that they would make it back but we wouldn't see them on earth and we would see them with the cat people from the promised land and lister and rimmer say together "The slimes have made it home"
I had the idea that Rimmer after kicking death at the end of season 8 found a way back in time went into the mirror world and got the antidote and returned at the point of the original deleted ending but died after touching death in the broadcast ending and after that they did the whole bring back as hologram but keep the memories of both rimmers.
I don't think much of seasons 11 and 12. They're missing some spark that was in season 10 but is then gone
Crazy thing, I occasionally mishear the line "You killed my brother" as "Your keys my bladder".
I can see that.
Looking back series 10 is better than I felt at the time, I think letting time pass and then giving a rewatch can help sometimes, when you watch things as they come out it can be hard to process especially with complex plots like this show has. I agree this probably should've been the last series though and Doug deliberately trolling the audience about how series 8's finale is never resolved is just a big fingers up to the fandom in my opinion and yes you should do a video about that as his sloppy approach to plotline resolutions should be highlighted. Anyway Ive caught up to your latest video now so now I guess Ill have to wait a while for your next. Good analysis anyway though your viewpoints are interesting, cheers.
My theory on Rimmer's timeline was that his Season 8 self died at some point, and they made a new Rimmer that combined the Season 6 Rimmer just before he left to become Ace and Season 8 Rimmer. Or he's our Rimmer that became Ace Rimmer who decided that being Ace wasn't for him so he ditched being Ace and returned to the crew, and they incorporated dead Season 8 Rimmer into him (by design or by accident).
The head simulant.. isn't that the replacement Droid from, "the last day"?
this was an amazing episode lol
i love series 10, 11 is ok but 12 is up there with 1-6 and 12s finale much like this episode would work as an ending point but its (unofficially) confirmed that were getting more episodes thankfully
I remember not liking 11 too much, but liking 12 better. But that's why I wanna watch them again to make sure that my expectations weren't just too high or something.
@@Cyborcat 11 has it's highlights but most of it is just standard red dwarf
The first ever red dwarf episode I saw & will always be my favourite episode. Funny, action packed & Rimmer is just great in this one. I also agree this would've ended the show on a high note & is in a way the perfect finale. While I like series 11 & 12, they’re nowhere near as good or memorable as the older series (despite following the format of 3-6)
7:07 that wouldn't be a competitive, that would be cheating
"Well, you're dead anyway, so fuck off"
I'd like to think you say that after watching any historical recording of any, now dead person, Dena.
sometime you live you die and you live again.....so Rimer is Cthulhu...or a zombie?
or a time lord... that bit at the end is slightly doctor who ish 🤔 god i'm glad we know hes a hologram
just thanks.
I love red dwarf, but honestly….I find the later seasons a bit sad and depressing. Same with always sunny…my favourite comedy show EVER. But same thing…the later seasons just have older people acting young and it hits my brain wrong. I want red dwarf with older people acting older, being older, changed in some ways. But everyone acts like nothing has changed.
I know I'm late but YoU kIlLeD mY bRoThEr!
6:28-6:43 Nostalgia Critic: EXPLAAAAAAAAAAAIN!!!!!!!
But what does that mean for Ace?
@ 8:44 Ah the Little Doctor (MD). Have you read/seen Ender's Game?
I haven't.
Ever thought bout doin one on the movie muchies
Never heard of it, so probably not ^.^
Ok that's fine it's a movie from 1987 and the munchies are lizzard looking people
These Simulants dress like their from Warhammer 40k. Anyone else think so.
im not very familiar with that but dont they wear massive armour?
@@marleyboro the Space Marines do, but the Inquisitors and Navy Officers wear things like the Simulants here.
@@marleyboro See warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Inquisitor
warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Imperial_Navy_Hierarchy
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