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Breakdown and Analysis of chapter four in book 1 of the A Song of Ice and Fire Series, A Game of Thrones: AGOT Eddard I.
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I'm glad you got to it... that Robert wasn't really in love with Lyanna... he was in love with his idea... his fantasy of Lyanna. Like Gatsby, yes.
I swear Robert's grandma told him no too many times and made him hate all Targaryens forever. Rhaegar was just the catalyst that allowed Robert to exterminate them.
Really enjoying these chapter break downs. I like the love streams, but can never catch the live. These shorter videos are a great change up. You guys have become the only game of thrones creators i still watch on UA-cam
I posted this in a comment but I wanted to get others opinion on it.. but..
It's an interesting parallel between Robert and Ned if the Ashara theory is right.. Ned lost the woman he loved as well and was also given another woman and the title as Lord of Winterfell, neither of which he wanted.. to see how both have coped with the cards that were dealt to them is interesting and rarely gets mentioned..
wow! very interesting !!!
They were also both brought down eventually by the woman thrust on them
@@looverse2023 great point!
"The Realisation" feat. Mary-Ellen and Dave:
It's 03:47 a.m. Dave is drinking his fourth cup of coffee, before getting back to studying the books. Mary-Ellen is reading one more chapter before going to sleep. She's already half asleep in her chair. Suddenly, she says: "Wait.". "What is it, m'lady?" asked Dave intrigued. Mary-Ellen looks at him. "Why doesn't Catelyn say "a" knock, but instead says "the" knock?" Both start screaming. And thus a great video series was born.
that’s very similar to what happened !!! 😁
You guys sound so much happier this past year, especially in these podcast episodes! Looking forward to what you have planned for 2022
Lyanna: Robert will never keep to one bed.
Rheagar: oh her? She's just my wife... so do ya wannna??!??
Haven't checked if anyone has said this yet. Only Kings of the north and later Lord's of Winterfell were buried in the crypts. Ned had his brother and sister buried in the crypts.
i thought it was that they were the only ones to get statues?
I should have kept listening.
Still after so long I miss Ned. He could have fixed the mess cat made if he wasn't put in a bad spot by her and mini cat.
But yeah how most of the community think Ned is simple or illogical really don't know how many plots were in play around him and his wife basically kicking him into little finger.
Who is mini cat
@@alexrockas3704 Sansa
If your favorite GoT character is Ned Stark, and your favorite Ninja Turtle is Raphael: I consider you to be a blood family member whether you like it or not.
Amen. Lol
I was the biggest Raphael fan as a kid. And I was the outcast for it 😆 no one ever gave Raph the love he earned lol
Raph is the best ninja turtle no doubt. Why all my mates loved Michelangelo I’ll never know.
When I first read the books I loved Ned too. Then I read them 5 times. Each time I came back I saw more signs that Ned wasn’t the smartest and had a fair bit arrogance at times.
He was constantly rude to little finger, massively judgemental towards almost everyone. It was his way or the highway and it ended up costing him. Jamie Lannister is painted as the arrogant one in A Game of Thrones but the most arrogant is Ned. All the clues are there, but our judgement is clouded because Ned is a point of view character we don’t really get to see others actual opinions of him, rather we get how his family see him and how others are willing to present to him how they see him. We are just as shocked as Ned when he loses because George carefully puts us in Neds mindset.
The more times I read the story, the more I realised that Ned is a bit of an arrogant idiot who thinks he’s better than everyone else.
So sorry dude, we used to be brothers, but I can’t agree with you on the Ned thing any more.
I always liked Michaelangelo best as a kid, but realistically Raph is my TMNT equivalent. I relate to him so much more now as an adult, and know I would find Mikey exhausting in real life.
Ned is absolutely my favorite from the first book, but we get to know other characters really well as the series goes on. I think Dany, Tyrion, Jaime, and Ned are pretty tied for favorite for me.
@@jasonjohnson9072 Ned is "human".. so to say lol since he's a fake character lol but you know what I mean.
He does come across as a bit judging at times.. but I think that had more to do with the position he found himself in and what that brought with it..
Ned has carried the weight of his sister's actions for all these years by the time we get in his head. His entire life changed.
In fact. It's an interesting parallel between Robert and Ned if the Ashara theory is right.. Ned lost the woman he loved as well and was also given another woman and the title as Lord of Winterfell, neither of which he wanted.. I think Ned is just a sad soul trying to cope with extreme trauma that is unfathomable..
I always thought that only kings of winter and lords of winter fell were buried in the crypts and not other family members. Not sure where I got that idea. I think I remember reading that Ned made an exception for Lyanna though.
Great discussion! Thanks!
Lyanna was a princess, that's my head canon. Brandon was Lord for a few seconds before he died.
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Haha, my grandpa was still breast feeding when he was 5! They said once when company was over he stood behind a door and motioned for my great grandma to come over and breast feed him. My grandma said women did that because it usually kept them from getting pregnant again (remember there was no birth control back then). Evidently it worked pretty well. When Mammy finally weaned my grandpa around age 6, she got pregnant…again.
Ned and his kids were screwed by the people they were supposed to trust the most, and Littlefinger. Who needs enemies when you have a Catelyn.😬
Just made me think of Jon's dream of being in the crypts and the stone Kings claiming "you don't belong here" but the whole other part is the feast of the dead it's all listening and Jon is almost projecting that rejection on himself but Ned burying Lyanna by the Lord's and Kings with a statue is almost like a desecration of the Crypts by both Ned and Lyanna. Wondering if Jon's hearing the stone Kings "you don't belong here " but it's actually being directed at Lyanna who doesn't belong there to rest where she is?
The reason John is being called to crypts has is because of who John is, he’s being called by the great sword dawn, which Ned had hidden in lyannas statue, for the wars to come, as Arthur dayne put it.
In either case he is the stark but what’s calling him to the crypts is not from the stark family.
@@shaunrogers8811 Dawn's at Starfall. And if Jon is the rightful Lord of Winterfell, it would make sense as to why the Stark ancestry is calling to him.
@@bAmMoD216 dawn being at starfall currently is never visually confirmed by any character. Also there hasn’t be a sword of the morning since Arthur dayne which would further support the idea that it’s not present in starfall
How ever if at the tower of joy Ned allowing Arthur dayne to take the black would make sense. However if Arthur took the black he couldn’t have dawn with him as the sword is a give away to his identity, with Ned being the lord of winterfell it would make sense to leave the sword with Ned for safe keeping, while Arthur dayne joined the nights watch under a new name mance rayder.
Ned had planned to settle the gift, the land south of the wall, how ever it’s never clear where these settlers would come from.
How ever Ned also says that mance rayder is not a threat and when the time comes he will ride north to deal with him.
Hence to do exactly what Jon did let them thru the wall and settle them in the gift. Mance rayders/ Arthur daynes job was to unite the wildling under a single leader and resettle them south of the wall to help prevent slash diminish the effects of the coming long night.
Further more since the sword has chosen Jon as the new owner, it would explain Jon being called to crypts but also getting a sense of not belonging, because the call is not from the stark family, but from the sword dawn.
Also the sword being at starfall is far to distant from Jon who at this point is the only logical choice for sword of the morning.
@@bAmMoD216 further more Jon is alive and doesn’t spiritually belong in the crypts at that point but his spirit is being called there by the sword dawn.
@@shaunrogers8811 GRRM confirmed Dawn is at Starfall. And I can't see house Dayne further "honoring "Ned Stark if he added another desecration to the crypts by having Dawn just sitting down there in the crypts.
Ned and Robert were basically the two friends who are polar opposites but are as close as brothers and only understand each other while others can't especially seeing how everyone acts when Ned and Robert have little arguments.
If I could see any era it would be thier younger days
Meanwhile rhegar and Arthur are basically a celebrity sportsman who is great at everything and his emo friend rhegar who is only popular because he was born royalty but just a creep If he wasn't pretty looking.
Exactly when I needed this, at the beginning of a shift doing deliveries. Thanks guys! Love the podcast
Ned talking to Robert about Lyanna always made me chuckle, since I don't think Ned knew all that much about her until the war was over. He'd spent the vast majority of the previous eight years in the Vale. I think that's part of why Benjen doesn't seem to be all that close to Ned. It's Cat who brings up inviting Benjen to Winterfell for Robert's visit.
Love these chapter by chapter breakdowns. Can’t wait for the next one!
Great podcast guys. Happy New Year❤️🎉🥂
You guys really knocked it out of the park with this one. I cannot believe I’ve never made the connection with Lyana’s promise me and the actual context. Thanks for another great video!
AGOT|Eddard I: "The king touched her cheek, his fingers brushing across the rough stone gently as if it were living flesh."
This, and how it communicates Robert's feelings, reminds me so much of Barbrey Dustin when she touches Brandon's statue w/her bare hand in ADWD. I've always considered it a major "tell" as to whose side she's actually on. Because she still deeply loves Brandon, I don't think she could betray his house; no matter how much she allegedly despises Ned. But I digress. The connection between she and Robert's behavior in the crypts is pretty cool and I just wanted to highlight it. Awesome episode as always💚🤚.
I think Barb might hate Ned every bit as much as she loved Brandon. But doesn’t everyone hate the Boltons? I’m still not certain where she lands
Given that Ramsay murdered Barbrey's nephew Domeric (Ramsay's older brother), was never punished and was actually seemingly rewarded, I don't believe she's on the Bolton's side. Not for a single second. She worshipped Domeric like he was her own child because she never got to have kids. No way her anger towards Ned eclipses her fury/pain over Domeric's killing.
It's also worth noting that Barbrey took custody of "Arya" during the trip from Barrowron to Winterfell. This was a covert way of protecting the girl from Ramsay because Barbrey knew Ramsay hated her and thus wouldn't come around just to see his betrothed. If Barbrey truly hated the Starks like she lets on, and is in the Bolton's corner, why is she putting her neck out to protect who she thinks is Ned's daughter?
@@ashleyofnaath I actually don’t think she hates the Starks. But I do think her hatred of Ned is real. And I believe her when she says his bones will never rest in the crypts and that she means to feed them to her 🐕 🐩. When that goal is complete I think she’ll turn on the Boltons, but I also don’t think she’ll be first to betray them. That’ll be the Manderlys.
@@looverse2023 Agree to disagree I suppose, insofar as I don't think she's ever been on the Bolton's side to begin with. I have suspicions that she's already in league with Lord Wyman too; though I agree she won't be the first to OPENLY defy the Boltons. In fact she may never openly defy them and her involvement in their downfall will be revealed later (think Professor Snape in Harry Potter). It didn't escape my notice that Barbrey took care not to eat the Frey pie during the wedding feast, after all.
And while I do think she feels some type of way about Ned, I think it's greatly embellished to give her cover. Also, I question her "hatred" because Barbrey had the resources to have her husband's bones exhumed but chose not to. That strikes me as odd and makes me think there's more to the story.
What I think we both agree on, though, is that we're excited to learn more of Barbrey in Winds, yes?
@@ashleyofnaath I pray to old gods and the new that we get it!
Making Ned promise to busy her in the crypts so that she couldn’t be scryed on is like telling someone today to delete your browsing history and hard drives if you die lol
Is it that all Stark family members are buried in the crypts and only the kings and Lords are given statues? Or is it that only the kings and lords are buried in the crypts? Cause I seem to recall it being the latter, but I could be wrong. And wouldn't Lyanna be excluded from that by being married to Rhaegar? Surely, even if it was the former, not all the Stark women would be buried in the crypts? Not the ones who went off and married into other families, right?
But I got to say, that dialogue between Ned and Robert in the crypts and the idea that Ned only promised Lyanna that she would be buried in the crypts, the way that part of the story is worded is very convincing. I had never thought of that before, but it really does make it seem like that is exactly what Ned actually promised her.
I hope GRRM finishes this story. I got my doubts at this point but I really hope he does.
You are right Ned hid something very important inside lyannas statue. It was never intended to be a permanent feature.
It has nothing to do with the promise he made to Lyanna which had to do with the baby aegon, aka young griff.
@@shaunrogers8811 where is her sword to guard against the vengeful spirits? 🤔
Regarding the first part, the book says all Starks are buried in the crypts but the Kings and Lords get a statue. Also, it is never mentioned in the text (and not the show) that Lyanna actually married Raegar so she was always a Stark and should have been buried in the crypts. She should not have a statue though but the fact that she has shows that regardless of what she has done Ned loved her dearly.
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Loving this series so far
Loving these.
Keep’em coming!
These are fantastic!
Ned- "your princesses look to be in good health, your Grace."
Did Robert really care about Lyana though, or was she just the one that got away? It was an arranged marriage, and he barely knew her. He was already a well-known womanizer. I really don't think he'd have stayed any more faithful to her than he did to Cersei.
Had he even met Lyana before the Harrenhal tournament? He lived in the Eyrie for most of his life before that.
Ned probably filled his head with a bunch of 💩 on how great it would be when they would be brothers in law because he was secretly gay for him. Yeah, I'm that blunt. The subtext is all in there.
Great as always Mi Lady & Mi Lord! ^_^
And thank you for an incredible fun and awesome New Years celebration
The promise was definitely not about the baby. What brother would need convincing to take care of his late sister's child? Surely not Ned Stark.
These early chapters are really great. But I think Lyanna was one of the few Starks that were buried in the catacombs outside the kings and wardens of the north. Maybe Ned having her buried there and having the statue there, was just so that he could one day show Jon what his mother looked like.
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Love these, but waiting for the day you guys finish some of the theory series.
Great episode.
On Promise Me Ned:
I'm intrigued by the idea that Ned's promise to Lyanna was not about Jon, or alternatively not _only_ about Jon. The second one seems more likely, considering how much text seems to prop up the idea that the promise was about Jon. The promise being about Lyanna wanting to be buried in the Winterfell crypt doesn't make complete sense to me, but I do think it's noteworthy that that's suggested so straightforwardly in the chapter. And it's always possible that new information could make it make sense.
One thing I think everybody might agree upon is that the subject of the promise is intended by Martin to be a mystery. While the-story-told-us-the-answer-from-the-very-beginning can be a cool structure for a mystery, the promise comes up in at least four of Ned's chapters, each time with context that suggests a different subject or array of subjects for the promise, and no single subject resolving all of the questions about any situation to our satisfaction.
So the straightforwardness with which the subject of Ned's promise to Lyanna is provided in this chapter seems to me to serve two functions. (1) Misdirection. Readers will tend to stop investigating the issue when they believe they've already found the whole answer. (2) To covertly be one of four organs on a jigsaw puzzle piece.
Whatever the subject or subjects of the promise, perhaps it should make complete sense in not one but all four (or more) contexts in which Ned thinks about it.
Spot on. The promise has to do with being buried in Winterfell! Thank you!
I cant remember where I read it, but ill see if I can track down the source if anyone is interested, but in the middle ages (the rough time period that coincides with ASOIAF) breast feeding went on longer, until 3 or 4. Granted Sweet Robin is a lot older than that, just a piece of trivia.
Let's be real would anyone need Ned to promise to do the right thing? No Ned would just do the right thing and everyone knows that about Ned.
Layana wouldn't need to ask ed to promise her to take care of her jon he would so the crypt seem more realistic
Why do the gods make kings and queens, if not to protect the ones who can't protect themselves?
Only the Lords of Winterfell are buried in the crypt tho.... right? Like it’s really weird that Ned would bury his sister there even if she betrayed the family and ran off with Rhaegar.
It’s weird that he built statues of them. Not that they’re there
Good stuff with Ned’s promise to his sister. It’s no wonder you all have a different interpretation than others about it.
29:30 told myself i wasnt going to do this but here we go. "Robert" doesnt care about joining the two houses. Brandon(Robert) just wants to be able to publicly call Ned his brother again. Brandon is in Roberts body now and he is starting to make Ned and every other Stark lord very uncomfortable with his bold/WILD behavior.
Enjoyed the discussion on the promise but would like to know more on why lyanna was so intent on being buried in the crypts
Interesting ... "Promise me, Ned"?
Not sure why but I thought the crypts were for the lords only, not all the family, and that it was unusual for Lyanna to be buried there. Not sure where that idea came from.
So when Ned thinks about broken promises later on, do you think maybe Lyanna is not buried in the crypts of Winterfell?
Customarily only the male side of house stark were buried in the crypts.
"...but when he gave his word, the fear had gone out of his sister's eyes." Why would she be scared of not being buried in the crypts (until Ned's promise) if that has been the tradition of the Starks for thousands of years? Also, since (if I remember correctly - forgive me if I'm mistaken here) you two think she was already in Winterfell, there would be no reason to have to promise to do something like "bring her home". Though, in that same dialog, Ned says, "She wanted to come home..." Admittedly, I'm having trouble following your reasoning here.
Because Ned was probably very angry with her
I definitely agree with that. I’m just not sure that he is the type to tell her - or imply - that he is angry enough not to bury her with her family. Thanks for responding! Keep the videos coming!
Interesting take about “the promise”… I think you’re on to something with it and i had never made this connection either. i hope we get the full promise one day, however I wanted to mention something about the baby/promise common association: as I understand it, per the R+L theory the promise is not about raising the baby per se, but about hiding his parentage because if it got out that he is the last living son of Rhaegar he would be a massive threat to Robert’s throne and he/the people around him would look to kill Jon (assumed baby) so that he does not grow up and reignite a rebellion (former royalists etc could still rally around him).
After all Robert openly hates Targaryens by that point and he turned a blind eye on Rhaegar’s other two children being killed even though he did not want a direct hand in the incident, so it is not completely unreal that Lyanna would be afraid for the baby’s life.
Now wether any of this is correct is up to George to resolve, but anyway this is how I understand that people tie in the promise and the baby.
This is a show thing. In the books, there is a connection between Ned's conversation with Lyanna and the incident with Sansa and her direwolf. Ned compares Sansa's pleas to Lyanna's. We know exactly what Sansa said, so we can figure out what Lyanna's pleas were about based on that context. Lyanna was trying to save her own skin from the Lannisters after hearing about what the Mountain did to Elia Martell. The only way to do that was to have Ned give her The Gift and take her body to the crypts in Winterfell.
Thanks for another great listen. Is it worth exploring the idea that Jon Arryn did not act in the best interests of the realm? And that he just used Robert/Ned to gain influence at court and enrich house Arryn. Something does not feel right with him, and he neglected his son. What do you think?
How can Robert’s counsel be all flatterers and fools with Stannis and Renly on it? The two guys who aren’t afraid to piss him off.
Because the ones who aren’t fool are flatterers, and the ones that aren’t flatterers are fools. Ie Renly an Stannins are fools. Of course Robert sees them that way.
@@jasonjohnson9072 you may have it right there. I hadn’t seen it that way before.
Isn’t it weird how going into the crypts it’s starts getting colder even though winter fell is built on hot springs? Shouldn’t the geothermal activity there keep anywhere underground nearby pretty warm?
14:26 its not customary and every stark is not buried in the crypts only the kings in the north and the lords of winterfell got buried in the crypts...ned made the exception n buried his brother and sister there
That’s 100% incorrect. Ned broke custom by building them statues
@@TheOrderoftheGreenhand oh so all the starks get buried there but only the kings and lords got statues...? i guess i misremembered and thought ned broke the custom with brandon n lyanna and from then on all the starks would get buried in the crypts
I’m guessing that someone with a decent following made what you thought a common belief by posting it years ago because what you said seems to be the most common comment on this video. It’s the reason we don’t pay attention to what everyone else says. There’s so much misinformation online that it’s easy to get off track if you don’t do all of your own research
Weird that Robert didn't ask Ned about Robb, who is named after Robert.
OOTGH !!!!!
Promise me Ned.
Jon and the crypts.
Ned and Bran talking about Jon in Bran’s dream. (Jon was magically warded, because of the wall)
The crypts are warded…
Idk maybe Liana had to be in the crypts so her baby can come back as a ghost even though he/she/they wouldn’t be a Stark?
Ghost.
Maybe she begged because of her marriage to Rheagar, or that maybe she knew Robert would want to take her somewhere else?
I can clearly tell that Dave is from NYC just by the way he says "what the fOck"! 😄😆
24:07 💀
My guys, the statue starks are alive.
taking out Lyana, do we know if there are other women in the crypts of winterfell?
"mary ellen" is a unit of weight now?
I read a samwell chapter yesterday, he and his father went to the arbor when he was 10 in order to make him the page of paxter redwyne and the redwyne lord and his twins, those oafs that are kinda useless during all the series, hated Sam so he had to come back and his father hated him forever. Pretty much that what happens when your friends don't like your kids 😔
They were sparring, and Sam embarrassed himself. It caused Randyll to break things off. Sam had no business leading a noble house, and I would have done nearly the same thing as Randyll. His family's future was at stake. I also don't believe ever single word Sam said (the bit about Randyll hiring warlocks doesn't fit with his character at all)
@jacobenke7936 Sam is a little B for sure. I think readers are meant to like him so it clouds the fact that Sam and Jon are bending rules left and right to accomplish their own personal goals. Not cool when you took an oath to uphold an institution and support the greater cause.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought only Stark men were buried in the crypts and Lyanna was a massive exception
All Starks are there. Only the Kings and Lords get statues. Lyanna and Brandon are exceptions
If Lyanna was really a Targaryen, having married Rhaegar, then custom dictates she would be cremated as all Targaryens were, right? (It's been a few months since I've read these.) So this whole "promise me" thing.... could that have included Ned's promising to keep that marriage a secret from the world? Why would he bury her with the Starks if she had become a Targaryen. I think your thinking on this needs to include this aspect.
If she married rhaegar , she would be a targaryan, not a stark. Maybe that's why she had to beg ned to be laid in the crypts
not every stark is buried in the crypts. only the Lord. As far as I remember (from Bran's recitations) Lyana is the only woman buried there.
"One floor contains a long line of granite pillars, two by two, between which are entombed the dead of House Stark".
had to see this at wiki, i thought the same as you.
@@carolinab.2642 Ah, thank you!
Getting more in more confident you guys will analyze GOT chapter by chapter before George finishes Winds.
It's really sad that Steven Erikson wrote all ten books of Malazan Book of the Fallen - which is arguably more complex than ASOIAF (it's certainly much more complex in terms of understanding what you're reading) in not much less time than George has been writing Winds.
Not all the starks!! Only the lords and kings, Bran tell us that Brandon and Lianna were an exception. Also Ned later speaks of broken promises, so he promises something more. You guys, I like your video but this time you need a wider view!!
Only lords and kings get statues. I really want to know who started this idea that not all Starks are in the crypts and spread it all over the internet. It is explained in multiple chapters, including Ned’s very first chapter that all the Starks are down there. Ned even makes reference to the empty chambers where he and his children will end up. Bran explains it in one of his chapters too. And so does Arya. This isn’t opinion. Every Stark has a place in the crypts
watching and listening to y'all video..cuz ManU is losing to Wolves at home.
How do you get a fever during childbirth? To me the fact that she had a fever suggests she died of an illness
You guys have let time get to you and your analysis. GRRM always gives the reader a few subtle clues on what he wants you to think, then totally blows your mind with a big reveal later. The reader is meant to initially believe Lyanna's Promise was to be buried in the crypts, just as we're meant to believe Jon's parents are Ashara and Ned. These things are only brought up a few times in AGOT; Catelyn brings up Ashara and Cersei brings her up; and then Ned thinks about 'the promise' a few times. None of its ever brought up again with the exception of Arya and Edric Dayne. This is what GRRM wants...Then we are suppose to see the hidden clues throughout all books to piece together R+L=J. You guys are waited so long for the reveal in a new book, that you've circled back to believing what GRRM wanted his novice readers to believe.
Except we’ve never changed our opinions on this topic. They get further reinforced with every reread of the series
@@TheOrderoftheGreenhand The secrets GRRM tells the reader and the things characters think, are often wrong in the story. This is purposely done so there can be a shocking big reveal later, or left for the reader to discover on their own.
Example is the Pink Letter: GRRM tells the reader (through the letter) that its Ramseys letter. Case closed right? The Lannisters killed Jon Arryn right? Case closed. Aegon's the real Targaryen prince! Case closed. Jon is Ashara's son. Case closed. And many other things...
Some people may catch things right away, but many of us don't until the rereads. Then you notice small details like: Ramsey's handwriting is spikey! etc. Then you piece it together (hopefully) before the big reveal.
(on a phone writing this so its kind of hard to put a lot down)
My thought when I first read this chapter, "Ned, what precisely do you know about maiden's fantasies?" Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think straight guys usually think about how hot women should find their male bestie. Just sayin'.
Every stark is not buried in the crypts. Ned broke tradition by burying her there. Only lords and kings of winter were waa allowed to be buried there.
Every Stark is down there. Only the kings and lords have statues
Are you guys going to do the whole series...even tho it's hasn't been u guys but we have heard these chapter breaks downs for these 1st 2 books a 1000 times......as much as I enjoy your perspective I think we can move on to other books
we wanted to do them in order
@@TheOrderoftheGreenhand trust me, I like order aswell,, I just know it's a massive endeavor to take on this series of books in this fashion of chapter by chapter, and I wish you luck on the completion, I will Still be tuning in and enjoying your breakdowns, so dont get that twisted..lol..good job u 2 do and thanks
I for one love the detailed dive in each of the chapters, even more so than the live Q&A sessions. Order of the Green Hand, please, continue!
@@bp9762 I don't disagree..it just I haven't seen one channel make it through all the books...we've seen book one and 2 done over and over again..we never get the other books,is all I'm saying....if order of the green hand can pull it off that will be some legendary stuff
What are the chances that Robert Arryn is Littlefinger’s son?
I always felt like this was so obvious that it is not a hot take so no one ever mentions it.
Very high
The boy is not the father is the most interesting line in that chapter and you Skip over it (
What puzzles me is why Ned didn't smash the Lannister Army in KL for sacking the city and not joining the battle at the Trident he had the Vale/North/Riverland Army and should have crushed them and send Jamie to the Wall marry Cersi off to Blackfish end of story!
The Blackfish and Cersei....😂😂😂
Now THAT is a match made in hell!!!!!!!
That, and why Hoster did nothing to the Freys. Hoster was so focused on the realm that he didn't realize how little actual power his own house had. The riverlords started calling Robb King before Edmure did. Now, that could be because they had no other choice really, but doing it before their Lord Paramount says a lot about their lack of respect for their liege lord.
ooof ned..
Lol? You think the promise was about the burial? When there's never been a word about her wanting to be buried in the Starks burial.
You guys are reaching way too hard trying to be "different". The promise was about taking care of her baby!
They are 100% right.
Sorry but if she's 112 lbs i would eat my own shoes
If she was wed to Reagar she was a Tagaryan not a Stark
Woman weren't buried in the cripts. That's the ONE thing i can't support about your review.
women*
crypts*
Ned put Lyanna down there
@@Richard_Nickerson I'm not English pardon me -.-' She is the only womAn statue down there.
I believe one promise was "bury me with them" EXACTLY because He broke tradition and even gave her a statue.
All family members can be buried within the crypts But only the Kings in the North and the Lord's of Winterfell are given the statues, so for Ned to not only bury her in there already (which she was already due) but to be placed among the Lord's and have a statue ...