I think I’d still take wastelander every time since that’s already kind of the perfect 1 2 punch shotty. Ammo on melee is nice tho excited to try these
It’s all I care about in life atm. I love ballsy bungie we are getting now like incan on a rocket sidearm and a wave frame is kinda absurd. That’s what we need
The perfect paradox roll to keep an eye out for is dual loader/trench because enhanced dual loader lets you reload three shells for one, which is the duration of trench. It's gonna pour on the damage.
Rapid Fire Frames haven't been able to roll Assault Mag for quite a while. I'm not sure if they ever could tbh. It can roll on all other shotgun Frames though.
As far as i know, Rapid frame can't roll assault mag. I have a Assault Mag roll on each of the shotties but not on Rapid fire frame. Every other frame, yes, they can. Agressive, Lightweight and Precision Frame can roll Assult Mag.
I don’t know how I didn’t know my favorite seasons weapons were coming back this season, very pleasant surprise. Can’t wait to grind Breachlight and patron
First thing I did in this expansion was run to my vault and bring out my feeding frenzy/multi kill clip steelfeather and my god rolled trophy hunter, dust them off and start the legend campaign. Those paired with my rampage/killing tally hammerhead are just *chefs kiss*
if you combine the artifact perk to boost the origin trait you can overflow the mag of line in the sand to around 15 or 16 along with deconstruct b&s can definitely cook on an arc singe
Update: As of the Vidoc today (6-10-24) Bungie has confirmed they will be adding weapons with each act of the episode so there's still hope for steelfeather
Honestly lore accurate Perfect Paradox should be able to run Rewind + Kinetic Tremors cause it’s a gun from a paradoxical timeline and the explosions from kinetic tremors can be excused as something to do with timelines exploding on the target or something, I just want that role on this gun I just love the gun sm
These were some of my best weapons to use from way back, glad to see they are back...Sadly I am not buying Final Shape until a significant price drop many months or even a year from now.
Deconstruct in the left column is passable as a perk. It might be more consistent than clown cartridge, but im not sure. Either way, rewind/bait/veist stinger scintillation will vastly outclass it.
You can overflow the mags on these weapons this season with the specific artifact perk for it. Maybe that makes Reservoir burst better if it lets you overflow to double or more
I'd like to get that scout just for how it looks, with Rapid Hit & Kinetic Tremors - sadly not as good as the Brace Hung Jury with EP & KT together, but it's a Lightweight so I slightly prefer it just for that. I wouldn't mind if it had Stats For All, but Rapid Hit is definitely preferred. I think TT is fine on primaries but only alongside FTTC for how silly the effective mag size gets. I also want a Breachlight with Demo & Hatchling together. Edit; just to add after actually using one, I got a Breachlight with Pugilist & Swashbuckler when doing the content on Titan, and the origin trait is perfect for it - brings the mag of 30 with Backup Mag up to 60 at 6 per punch.
I’m interested in a Clown/Resevoir Line in the Sand. Clown means that you get extra resevoir burst rounds for no effort at all, curious to see what the dps output would be. My Caty is still probably the better dps option but I’m interested to see if Line in the Sand can compete
i think it wouldve been sick if we got a brave perfect paradox with trench/1 2 punch. idk how it would really work but in theory you shoot to proc 1/2 punch then get the melee off which would proc trench barrel and u just rinse repeat
Depending on how much ammo it gives back, and if its a cool down or not for the origin trait, you might not even need to have a reload perk aside from Field Prep simply for the increased reserves Definitely gonna go Field Prep/Trench Barrel As for Patron? I might just stick with my Season of Dawn Rapid Hit/Explosive payload
Martyrs was the first ever wave frame if I’m remembering right. Loved it still have my old one. But this new one is gonna be sooo dope I pretty much only care about that. I’ll take a 12 punch pp.. but ya wtf is up with no Steelfeather? I’m gonna be coping here but maybe it’s hidden for later in the episode?
These should be enhanceable, so dual loader reload 3 rounds for each shell, so tbh, that’s pretty good, especially now that they removed the reload penalty
Steelfeather Repeater is coming back in a different form. Different name now. They didn't forget about it. I can't tell ya much more because I don't want to ruin the surprise, but trust me. If you look for it you'll find it, but don't ruin the surprise for yourself.
I am also extremely upset that they didn’t bring back Steelfeather. However, there are two other new 720RPM autos that they added this time around. One from the Echoes Activities(Veiled Threat), and one from Crucible(The Riposte) I would’ve much rather gotten Steelfeather back tho.
Surely steelfeather is just simply missing for now, and not a direct choice not to add it,,, right,,, RIGHT?! My absolute favorite seasonal weapons, andnthat one in particular, i have sadly cleaned them out, along with all other sunset weapons,,,,,
Was excited to hear them bringing Breachlight back, but it being Strand kinda trashed the dream. Overall Kinetic Siphon is cheaper mod, and especially now with Kinetic damage being so much more valuable for Prismatic sub-class.
I got trolled by breachlight so hard. First i got a pugilist/adrenaline junkie one, then i got a demolitionist/swashbuckler one. Love the gun though I used to run my demo/multikill clip all the time
Voltshot on a linear fusion is gross. Jolt is a damage scalar that varies dependent on the damage output of the source of damage. Jolt from a linear fusion source will be massive. Also, you are going off the assumption that these are the only weapons that we will be getting back. Bungie already confirmed in the Gamesradar interview that that selection of seasonal weapons and additions will increase as the episode expands.
I kept my auto loading / demo Marty. Still in the vault. Happy to have it but I think I will go with demo / Incan maybe? Heal clip / Incan? Not too sure
Steelfeather repeater won't drop until the second act of Eches. Bungie have been experimenting with hiding things in the API, you just can't see it yet.
Does anyone know if you can craft these? I don't think we have a wave frame with incandescent and would love one for my Dawn Chorus build. Explosive personality is nice but demo/incandescent would be cracked.
Steelfeather repeater was the first thing I hoped for hearing about these weapons coming back
They replaced it with the Veil Threat AR pretty much
steelfeather repeater not being back is CRIMINAL
ForFUCKINGreal
Bungie’s got a thing against bringing back ARs, I’m still salty about Atheon’s Epilogue
@@bachpacharyagreed man that and shadow price were my first legendaries. A second degree felony for missing those @bungie FUCK YOU
I'm still pissed off I deleted mine after being told the sunset weapons aren't coming back and then Bungie unsunsets them ffs 😒
@@bachpachary Big same
Paradox is about to become the best one two punch shotgun with that origin trait
Yeah that’s what I was thinking
I think I’d still take wastelander every time since that’s already kind of the perfect 1 2 punch shotty. Ammo on melee is nice tho excited to try these
@@seffers4788 paradox got some girthy reserves being a rapid fire
@@seffers4788140rpms have way more reserves than 90s so i really see no reason to use 90rpms after this
Threat remover and OTP seems to be an amazing combo, it all depends on how big the buff is from threat remover but they work in complete tandem!
Heal clip + Incan on Marty is wild
What!
That roll is god tier on the new Lunas! This things gonna slap!
It’s all I care about in life atm. I love ballsy bungie we are getting now like incan on a rocket sidearm and a wave frame is kinda absurd. That’s what we need
Forb still way better
@@Shoegaze- Post nerf? uglier and worse for adclear, unless you mean to use the BRAVE version for ability regen.
The perfect paradox roll to keep an eye out for is dual loader/trench because enhanced dual loader lets you reload three shells for one, which is the duration of trench. It's gonna pour on the damage.
Rapid Fire Frames haven't been able to roll Assault Mag for quite a while. I'm not sure if they ever could tbh. It can roll on all other shotgun Frames though.
I don't remember seeing assault on any rapidfire and I play since coo.
We just had trench barrel with ikels shenanigans
As far as i know, Rapid frame can't roll assault mag. I have a Assault Mag roll on each of the shotties but not on Rapid fire frame. Every other frame, yes, they can. Agressive, Lightweight and Precision Frame can roll Assult Mag.
never he is mistaken, its a rapid fire shotty
I don’t know how I didn’t know my favorite seasons weapons were coming back this season, very pleasant surprise. Can’t wait to grind Breachlight and patron
Glad to know my sunset steelfeather repeater can be used again
They really left out steelfeather bruh
They could bring it back, say, as a new dungeon weapon, like Duality did
It's in act 2 or 3 most likely
Actually wild
It's not coming back. @insanexynn9956
First thing I did in this expansion was run to my vault and bring out my feeding frenzy/multi kill clip steelfeather and my god rolled trophy hunter, dust them off and start the legend campaign. Those paired with my rampage/killing tally hammerhead are just *chefs kiss*
Hahahahahaha I literally did the same thing!!! And now Trophy and Steel are truley unique bc of them not coming back so I can flex haha
;)
my first reprisal engram dropped a patron of lost causes with Accurized, Rapid Hit, and Explosive Payload, enhanced that bad boy immediately
I really want one with rapid hit/KT
Legendary scouts hit for no damage, you’d be better off with a paper towel launcher
@@mini_6-50wrong. They just got a 30% buff. They are litterally better than they have ever been since d2 came out lol
@@MichaelArdo6why use a scout when hand cannons exist
I whipped out my old patron of lost causes for the legend campaign, feels like I never put her down. (Explosive payload/rapid hit)
You can get these from the helm with echo engrams
perfect paradox being a rapid fire with field prep/one two, and an origin trait that reloads it with melees, ill absolutely be going for one.
I wish it had discord :( that was literally the one thing I wanted on it hahaha
I'm so excited for Crimil's dagger next IB.
if you combine the artifact perk to boost the origin trait you can overflow the mag of line in the sand to around 15 or 16 along with deconstruct b&s can definitely cook on an arc singe
Perfect Paradox was my go to in early D2. Carried me through Forsaken campaign!! 🥰
Breachlight now being strand is awesome!
Update: As of the Vidoc today (6-10-24) Bungie has confirmed they will be adding weapons with each act of the episode so there's still hope for steelfeather
I think they meant adding these dawn weapons slowly in each act
@wyl8468 that's what I meant lol
Honestly lore accurate Perfect Paradox should be able to run Rewind + Kinetic Tremors cause it’s a gun from a paradoxical timeline and the explosions from kinetic tremors can be excused as something to do with timelines exploding on the target or something, I just want that role on this gun I just love the gun sm
How you get the shotty, and GL?? I can only acquire the other 3 rn
These were some of my best weapons to use from way back, glad to see they are back...Sadly I am not buying Final Shape until a significant price drop many months or even a year from now.
Deconstruct in the left column is passable as a perk. It might be more consistent than clown cartridge, but im not sure.
Either way, rewind/bait/veist stinger scintillation will vastly outclass it.
Patron, paradox and breachlight were my go tos before sunset.
You can overflow the mags on these weapons this season with the specific artifact perk for it. Maybe that makes Reservoir burst better if it lets you overflow to double or more
I'd like to get that scout just for how it looks, with Rapid Hit & Kinetic Tremors - sadly not as good as the Brace Hung Jury with EP & KT together, but it's a Lightweight so I slightly prefer it just for that.
I wouldn't mind if it had Stats For All, but Rapid Hit is definitely preferred.
I think TT is fine on primaries but only alongside FTTC for how silly the effective mag size gets.
I also want a Breachlight with Demo & Hatchling together.
Edit; just to add after actually using one, I got a Breachlight with Pugilist & Swashbuckler when doing the content on Titan, and the origin trait is perfect for it - brings the mag of 30 with Backup Mag up to 60 at 6 per punch.
slight correction about perfect paradox, assault mag has never rolled on a rapid fire frame shotgun
i'm so glad breachlight is back i used to run a nez helm devour build with osmosis and demo (i think) my fav pve sidearm
Damn how do we get these, I gotta get my favorite sidearm every, the Breachlight.
this week, turning in echo engrams at the helm, there will be more methods coming soon
@@dankerbell Thank you
I’m interested in a Clown/Resevoir Line in the Sand.
Clown means that you get extra resevoir burst rounds for no effort at all, curious to see what the dps output would be.
My Caty is still probably the better dps option but I’m interested to see if Line in the Sand can compete
So happy to finally get my hands on Martyrs, do we know when these are dropping?
Steel feather and trophy hunter will probably come during one of the additional acts I would think if not available from the start
i think it wouldve been sick if we got a brave perfect paradox with trench/1 2 punch. idk how it would really work but in theory you shoot to proc 1/2 punch then get the melee off which would proc trench barrel and u just rinse repeat
So I’ve only had sidearm and scout rifle drop so far is it bad rng or the others timegated
How do they bring back line in the sand but not steelfeather?? It was a much better gun
I got a patron of lost causes with kinetic tremors and when they proc they really seem to stagger more than normal , you should try to test it out
9:54 niche roll is Deconstruct + Bait and Switch. That’s double damage perks on things like Brigs
Brigs don’t count as vehicles
How can we get these weapons and are they craftable?
I know you can get them from the war table in the helm
Depending on how much ammo it gives back, and if its a cool down or not for the origin trait, you might not even need to have a reload perk aside from Field Prep simply for the increased reserves
Definitely gonna go Field Prep/Trench Barrel
As for Patron? I might just stick with my Season of Dawn Rapid Hit/Explosive payload
My old breachlight was demo+vorepal that was presunset I used to love that but I needed to move on so I dismantled it
Kinda wish breachlight would of change to a void kinectic and you could of paired it with the new strand rocket side arm...
I think Slice Breachlight on a prismatic hunter which infinite dodge is probably cooking.
Barrel constrictor as an optional perk esp after the special ammo changes in PvP is disrespectful.
I still have my Demo Trench Perfect Paradox... I will not be replacing it with the new one. The loss of Demo is rough and I'm glad I kept mine
Martyrs was the first ever wave frame if I’m remembering right. Loved it still have my old one. But this new one is gonna be sooo dope I pretty much only care about that. I’ll take a 12 punch pp.. but ya wtf is up with no Steelfeather? I’m gonna be coping here but maybe it’s hidden for later in the episode?
The shotgun and grenade launcher aren’t showing up. Are they not in game yet?
These should be enhanceable, so dual loader reload 3 rounds for each shell, so tbh, that’s pretty good, especially now that they removed the reload penalty
I haven't had perfect paradox drop for me in any seasonal activity. Where does it drop?
Steelfeather Repeater is coming back in a different form. Different name now. They didn't forget about it. I can't tell ya much more because I don't want to ruin the surprise, but trust me. If you look for it you'll find it, but don't ruin the surprise for yourself.
Good to know that keeping my subsist, swash steelfeather after all this time was a good idea
I am also extremely upset that they didn’t bring back Steelfeather.
However, there are two other new 720RPM autos that they added this time around. One from the Echoes Activities(Veiled Threat), and one from Crucible(The Riposte)
I would’ve much rather gotten Steelfeather back tho.
It would be dope if steelfeather was a quest reward or added to onslaught
When does Martyr's Retribution come out?
I think I heard they were holding weapons until part 2 and 3 of echos
Surely steelfeather is just simply missing for now, and not a direct choice not to add it,,, right,,, RIGHT?! My absolute favorite seasonal weapons, andnthat one in particular, i have sadly cleaned them out, along with all other sunset weapons,,,,,
Managed to get a slice and hatchling breach light it absolutely shreds on strand
They probably passed on Steelfeather because of the new 720 auto Riposte. Riposte is actually a beast, too.
Was excited to hear them bringing Breachlight back, but it being Strand kinda trashed the dream.
Overall Kinetic Siphon is cheaper mod, and especially now with Kinetic damage being so much more valuable for Prismatic sub-class.
I’ve opened close to 50 to 70 echo engrams and I’ve yet to get a perfect paradox or martyrs. Is there anything special I gotta do?
When are these back and how do you get them ?
When do these weapons come out?
I got a breachlight to drop with demo/slice 3rd column and desperate measures/hatchling 4th column. I'm set
nice!!
Still have my Steel Feather Repeater... But man would a re-issue hurt?
I got trolled by breachlight so hard. First i got a pugilist/adrenaline junkie one, then i got a demolitionist/swashbuckler one. Love the gun though I used to run my demo/multikill clip all the time
rip osmosis on breachlight, used it for all my ability builds like veritys and nezarecs, thank god i kept my sunset one!
ngl the new martyr's seems epic, any solar weapon with heal clip + incan is hot and this is no exception
So does this mean steelfeather won’t be coming back at all?
Did reservoir burst always give passive +30 to mag tho?
Voltshot on a linear fusion is gross. Jolt is a damage scalar that varies dependent on the damage output of the source of damage. Jolt from a linear fusion source will be massive. Also, you are going off the assumption that these are the only weapons that we will be getting back. Bungie already confirmed in the Gamesradar interview that that selection of seasonal weapons and additions will increase as the episode expands.
voltshot does not work this way anymore. Got patched like a year ago
Why they keep bringing back only a portion of these weapons
My very first drop of steel feather repeater was with feeding frenzy and multi killclip
How to get perfect paradox?
Where and how do we get these weapons??
Is d2foundry not letting anyone else filter in the search bar?
How u get that gl is that next act drops ?
I still have my Auto Loading/Demo god roll Martyr's Retribution from original season.
There never was assault mag as an option for 140 rpm Shotguns
I kept my auto loading / demo Marty. Still in the vault. Happy to have it but I think I will go with demo / Incan maybe? Heal clip / Incan? Not too sure
I was TRULY looking forward to steelfeather. Hurts my Hunter soul that one was omitted.
As much as I liked patron back in the day thise perks are pretty mah, guess they though a 720 auto with kinetic tremors was a bad idea
Steelfeather repeater won't drop until the second act of Eches. Bungie have been experimenting with hiding things in the API, you just can't see it yet.
God I hope so, pretty much everything is visible so I hope steelfeather comes back
yh there is a hidden auto rifle. and it isnt the raid one because we have seen the raid weapons
@@ZhaloSupercell1 its a legendary khvostov
Are these available without the season?
I was hoping Marty was gonna have heal clip and wellspring or incandescent so im happy.
how do you get them? where do you farm/ focus them ?
Fail safe at the helm you can focus farm
Rapid fires don’t carry assault mag
Would've loved Swash + 1-2-punch on Perfect Paradox
I used to really like Patron back in the day. Now it's impossible to get excited about any scout not named Hung Jury.
Are these all craftable?
None are cratble but you can enhance them now anyways, just gotta find the good roll
Does anyone know if you can craft these? I don't think we have a wave frame with incandescent and would love one for my Dawn Chorus build. Explosive personality is nice but demo/incandescent would be cracked.
You cannot craft them, but you can focus them.
u can enhance them, not craft tho
Are these associated with the current season pass/act 1 or with tfs expansion
I think they are tied to the season. kinda like when the season of opulence weapons returned with season of the haunted did.
can you craft this weapons ?
Marty’s retribution with ALH and Incandescent is pretty much a replacement for forbearance
Pretty much! Going to get one with ALH and one with heal clip for sure
I thought kinetic gets 20 or 25 percent from vorpal. Energy gets 15 I thought
Quick question y'all since my friend is in kinda tough situation with Moneh is this available with season pass only
ye
I wanted steelfeather repeater back so badly least I've got breachlight
Why not 6? Don’t wanna overdeliver right?
how do we get them?
Assault mag has never appeared on perfect paradox and rapid fires in general.
I really feel like theyd need to buff steele stats as nowadays it just wouldnt compete.
Clown, burst, the build in perk puts rounds in the mag to right?
you'd have to melee, and if you're in meleeing distance while using a linear...
@dankerbell so reprocing banner of war before boss dps isn't on the table, I mean golgi seems like a legit place for it 😉 the thralls come to you