It’s actually quite amazing that God has laid a plan for my life (and He promises that it’s good), and then He gifts me His Spirit to actually walk through and accomplish that plan. I can move in peace and rest in the fact that it’s not on my shoulders. Amazing ❤
I came here after seeing a video which called your movement a danger to Adventist. I just wanted to see what you actually teach. So far I haven’t found any real heresy. I appreciate the much-needed focus on righteousness by faith! At the same time you seem to almost studiously avoid any real discussion of the reality of temptation and sin. The best I can understand from what I’ve watched so far is that once we accept Christ’s righteousness and instant sanctification, our desires for sin cease. But that’s just not reality, and I find nothing in what I’ve seen to help struggling souls. In fact, there’s really very little content here to sink one’s teeth into, despite the abundance of words. It’s almost like you work so hard to present something pleasing, you just end up with endless repetition of the same point. Sometimes I think I’m clear on what you’re saying, and in the next phrase, you seem to say the opposite. I kind of want you to get to the point and be clear. I find the coffee illustration weak and obviously a snub to traditional Adventist (I’m sure you’ve been just waiting for someone to point t that out). I have no hard fast rules about coffee, but to promote it from an online “Adventist church” platform is unfortunate, considering it is an addictive substance that really is a stumbling block to many. Beyond that I know God uses all kinds of things to reach people, so may He be glorified!
You gave a lovely description of true Biblical perfection - perfect at every stage. This is very refreshing. This is freedom from all performance-based sanctification. Excellent. BUT - your correct explanation does not change coffee into a good thing. So I am FULLY ON BOARD with the good gospel. AND it is better to drink coffee and be in the good gospel, than to abstain from coffee and be a legalist, for sure....BUT....isn't there a place to heed the counsel of God against coffee (SOP) AND be free from sin (aka in the good gospel)?? I mean, we are, IN CHRIST, free from sin, right now, and therefore our lives WILL reflect that by not harming ourselves knowingly (by drinking coffee, or using narcotics, alcohol, etc)..........I Love what LR is doing. And yes, better to have no outward reforms in the life and be in the good gospel, than have the reforms WITHOUT the gospel, but wait, if I AM in the good gospel, won't those outward reforms surely come in my life as I grow? Like, dropping off all the harmful practices because I am freed from abusing myself. Does anyone out there see my point? I feel it's unfortunate that you chose to use the coffee shop when we, SDAs, have clear knowledge about coffee,....but I love you people and I love the gospel.
The reason we confess is to restore the relationship with God. He already forgave us, just like we forgive our children long before they even realize that they hurt us, let alone recognize the need to say sorry.
This should go over well with all those who consider coffee as the ultimate sin, being unclean, an abomination, and a sure sign that anyone who drinks coffee is lost. 🤣🤣🤣 Thank you for that illustration of the tree being perfect at every stage as it grows.
Hi , while I myself have not drunk coffee for over 30 years , and have been around sdas who don't drink coffee for that time, I have never met anyone who sees coffee drinking as the ultimate sin, unclean, an abomination or a sign of being lost. Must we make extreme points when it comes to some sda finer understandings of the law? Not all coffee-abstainers are legalists!!!!! love the points in this video. There ARE people who LIVE healthy living who are not doing it to merit anything and are totally also good gospelers!!!
@@amywellard4077 here's an experiment. If you went around to all the sda churches and suggested serving coffee for their congregation before and/or after worship, i wonder what kind of reactions you would get. I'm sure you'll find plenty of extremes.
I think it also comes down to what law lens do you look through when you hear perfection? There are two lenses in which people read the Bible through-imposed law and design law. Imposed law-God's laws are a systems of rules without inherent consequence that requires the rule-giver to adjudicate and police breeches in the law. Design law-God is Creator and He created space, time, energy, and matter. His laws are the constants that reality is immutably fixed upon. Transgression of these laws result in fear, shame, and guilt which bring you out of harmony with how God has made His creation to function. Again, it comes down to this-is it the behavior itself or the motive behind the behavior that matters? Rahab herself, immature in her understanding of God, had lied not to protect herself but to protect Caleb and Joshua who had come to spy on Jericho.
It’s actually quite amazing that God has laid a plan for my life (and He promises that it’s good), and then He gifts me His Spirit to actually walk through and accomplish that plan. I can move in peace and rest in the fact that it’s not on my shoulders. Amazing ❤
I came here after seeing a video which called your movement a danger to Adventist. I just wanted to see what you actually teach. So far I haven’t found any real heresy. I appreciate the much-needed focus on righteousness by faith! At the same time you seem to almost studiously avoid any real discussion of the reality of temptation and sin. The best I can understand from what I’ve watched so far is that once we accept Christ’s righteousness and instant sanctification, our desires for sin cease. But that’s just not reality, and I find nothing in what I’ve seen to help struggling souls. In fact, there’s really very little content here to sink one’s teeth into, despite the abundance of words. It’s almost like you work so hard to present something pleasing, you just end up with endless repetition of the same point. Sometimes I think I’m clear on what you’re saying, and in the next phrase, you seem to say the opposite. I kind of want you to get to the point and be clear. I find the coffee illustration weak and obviously a snub to traditional Adventist (I’m sure you’ve been just waiting for someone to point t that out). I have no hard fast rules about coffee, but to promote it from an online “Adventist church” platform is unfortunate, considering it is an addictive substance that really is a stumbling block to many. Beyond that I know God uses all kinds of things to reach people, so may He be glorified!
You gave a lovely description of true Biblical perfection - perfect at every stage. This is very refreshing. This is freedom from all performance-based sanctification. Excellent. BUT - your correct explanation does not change coffee into a good thing. So I am FULLY ON BOARD with the good gospel. AND it is better to drink coffee and be in the good gospel, than to abstain from coffee and be a legalist, for sure....BUT....isn't there a place to heed the counsel of God against coffee (SOP) AND be free from sin (aka in the good gospel)?? I mean, we are, IN CHRIST, free from sin, right now, and therefore our lives WILL reflect that by not harming ourselves knowingly (by drinking coffee, or using narcotics, alcohol, etc)..........I Love what LR is doing. And yes, better to have no outward reforms in the life and be in the good gospel, than have the reforms WITHOUT the gospel, but wait, if I AM in the good gospel, won't those outward reforms surely come in my life as I grow? Like, dropping off all the harmful practices because I am freed from abusing myself. Does anyone out there see my point? I feel it's unfortunate that you chose to use the coffee shop when we, SDAs, have clear knowledge about coffee,....but I love you people and I love the gospel.
A little distracted from the fact that I thought drinking coffee was unhealthy,but the overall message is good
Nonsense. If I am already perfect then why do I need growth?
So, are you teaching that we do not have to ask for forgiveness because God already forgave us? There is no need to confess sins?
The reason we confess is to restore the relationship with God. He already forgave us, just like we forgive our children long before they even realize that they hurt us, let alone recognize the need to say sorry.
No, but that is what they preach in Hawaii, Kailua Church as well as the Hawaii conference president.
This should go over well with all those who consider coffee as the ultimate sin, being unclean, an abomination, and a sure sign that anyone who drinks coffee is lost. 🤣🤣🤣 Thank you for that illustration of the tree being perfect at every stage as it grows.
Hi , while I myself have not drunk coffee for over 30 years , and have been around sdas who don't drink coffee for that time, I have never met anyone who sees coffee drinking as the ultimate sin, unclean, an abomination or a sign of being lost. Must we make extreme points when it comes to some sda finer understandings of the law? Not all coffee-abstainers are legalists!!!!! love the points in this video. There ARE people who LIVE healthy living who are not doing it to merit anything and are totally also good gospelers!!!
@@amywellard4077 here's an experiment. If you went around to all the sda churches and suggested serving coffee for their congregation before and/or after worship, i wonder what kind of reactions you would get. I'm sure you'll find plenty of extremes.
I think it also comes down to what law lens do you look through when you hear perfection?
There are two lenses in which people read the Bible through-imposed law and design law.
Imposed law-God's laws are a systems of rules without inherent consequence that requires the rule-giver to adjudicate and police breeches in the law.
Design law-God is Creator and He created space, time, energy, and matter. His laws are the constants that reality is immutably fixed upon.
Transgression of these laws result in fear, shame, and guilt which bring you out of harmony with how God has made His creation to function.
Again, it comes down to this-is it the behavior itself or the motive behind the behavior that matters?
Rahab herself, immature in her understanding of God, had lied not to protect herself but to protect Caleb and Joshua who had come to spy on Jericho.