I had the honor of speaking to Steve a few weeks ago when I called the techs for an answer on 1911 aftermarket parts...we had a very pleasant and informative conversation...
Re: HPBT match bullets, it is my understanding that the process of drawing a consistent jacket over the core is more consistent going base-to-tip vs tip-to-base with a FMJ. Better concentricity, more consistent BC, and better balance. In a future video feel free to touch on rifle hollow points. Some are designed for match (not expansion) while some are designed for expansion (usually not match) It is so important to know about the bullet you are shooting! Some HPBT perform quite well on game but some would be quite unethical. Some are made for varmint only and expand/fragment REAL fast. I've personally discovered folks using the WORST bullet for the job because of these misunderstandings.
I believe the main reason for the OTM projectiles is to create the air pocket on the tip of the projectile. Hence, the bullet will penetrate the air better resulting in flatter and longer distance.
The Brits initially used an aluminium...yes...aluminium tip in their. 303 ammo but substituted paper maiche when aluminium became a strategic material..they noted it gave the bullets better accuracy at the same time that it increased the wounding capability...B T W...the Brits being. Well. BRITS, autoclaved the paper maichevto prevent the attending disease and infections it would cause
My understanding is that some rifle caliber hollow point bullets (specifically open tip match bullets) are made by making a hollow copper shell very precisely and then pouring molten lead in through the tip. The hollow point is actually a side effect of the manufacturing process as opposed to being the primary goal. Higher accuracy is the primary goal and pouring lead through the tip of a copper shell apparently contributes better to that than more conventional manufacturing methods (i.e. pressing copper onto an already formed lead bullet or pouring lead in through the tail).
My understanding of OTM bullet design is that the hollow point helps create a low pressure zone in front of the bullet. Think if it like the dimples on a gulf ball.
Gentlemen - I greatly enjoy your videos, they are outstanding, and you’re both entirely expert professional, and understandable (without any arrogance). I’d like to add two matters, which might have some relevance to some viewers: 1. In some jurisdictions (New Jersey is a prominent example), the mere possession of a hollow point cartridge (this may not apply in your home?) is unlawful. Therefore, ammunition such as soft points or wadcutters may be a better legal defensive alehtrnarive than FMJs. I’n not an attorney, but such regulations are obviously important to understand fully, and three to ascertain permissible defensive alternatives that may outperform FMJs. 2. Tubular magazine rifles, of course, have the concern of a pointed/Spitzer projectile igniting the following round’s primer, if the weapon is severely “shocked” (perhaps dropped on its butt from a considerable height). LEVERevolution projectiles are a fine solution for this problem. I wonder, however, if this was ever an issue for pump/slide action rifles, such as the Remington 760 chambered in .30-06? If it was not, then why is it such a concern for lever action rifles?
@Caden Wikle THANKS, I’m not an expert but I “think” both pump/side and lever action rifles use tubular magazines that are spring powered to move rounds aft, to the point where the mechanical energy supplied by activating the lever or the slide/pump then chambers the round.
@@timhusk2913 I can verify that statement. My brother had a Rem 760 in 30-06 for years and it used the same detachable 4 round box magazine as the Rem 740 which was the semi-automatic counterpart. My Dad had a Rem 740 so I was able to confirm it directly.
The issue is tube fed magazines and the recoil setting off the primer. The LEVERevolution gave you soft tip and a higher ballistic bullet. In tube fed magazines you can use a Spitzer -1 in the chamber and 1 in the tube.
In my 30-30, I use hollow points because the most distance is 70 yards. If I hunt in areas over 100 yards, I go with soft points. This year, got a deer at 15 yards. Dropped it in its tracks. Plus, remember, the area your hunting in. The houses may be close by. Nearest house was three hundred yards away.
One "point' to remember is that expanding bullets are velocity based. If the round doesn't have the needed velocity, it will never expand. One should always check the performance of their ammunition in the particular firearm they use, especially short barreled handguns.
I don't like using hollow points for hunting as it tears up the meat too bad unless its a neck shot or placed in a vital away from the meat. During expansion they often separate jacket and core and fragment inside the meat and that is not what I want. A ballistic tip is essentially a hollow point with a plastic pointed plug for a tip. This is to aid in bullet flight and penetration over a hollow point while expanding slower. But its still a hollow point and will do what a hollow point does. Soft point partitions that hold together and mushroom are a better choice for me as a hunting round. For defense and contrary to belief a hollow point will zip right on through barriers. Hollow points are designed to expand in soft material that fills the cavity causing expansion. You don't get that expansion through a solid barrier as the cavity is not filled enough by hard material to force expansion like soft material does. So don't use a hollow point thinking that it will not penetrate solid barriers. All bullets over penetrate and there is no magic bullet but for less penetration on solid barriers while still stopping a threat try an FBI protocol frangible bullet such as Federal Syntech Defense loads. If its not FBI protocol then it may not penetrate a target enough and is less likely to stop a threat. Frangibles break up on impact but often do not penetrate enough so with FBI protocol met it will penetrate enough to stop a threat. Pistols are poor at stopping threats so I would prefer a shotgun with #4 turkey load that will stop a threat but be less likely to go through multiple solid barriers. If bystanders are not a problem, nor surrounding bystanders, then I don't have to be as concerned with barrier penetration.
Dry wall will plug a hollow point just about every time. A 9mm will go through 15 to 20 half inch sheets. That's 7 or more rooms. People need to rethink their home defense choices. Right now #3 and #4 is all I'm seeing on the selves. 2 bucks a piece, but what you gonna do.
I'd like to know more on the Hornady Leverevolution vs soft point. If the the Spitzer bullet design does better within the range of a rounded .30-30. It's pretty much the only ammo I've been using in my .30-30, just wondering if it's worth the extra cash.
Unless you shoot a LOT of your hunting bullets on the range, stick with a good bullet. Of course that's rifle dependant. I like leverlutions because they group well in my 94 and work on game. The ballistic advantage and extra speed is just a bonus.
The first deer I harvested with the lever evolution sold me. It was a long shot for a 3030 and I held high. Did not get the drop I expected but the deer dropped on impact. They work very well. I have hunted with that same Marlin for 30 years and was shocked by the difference the Hornady made.
My Marlin .30-30 is a 20" stainless steel model. Bought a Bushnell AK scope with a BDC reticle because I knew the trajectory between 7.62x39mm and .30-30 is really damn close to being the same. Sounds like I won't have to compensate much with the Hornady than with a rounded bullet.
@@Ratkill9000 Probably not too dissimilar with the 20." While the trajectory differences may not be huge, it really helps in the field. Especially when stalking (that's usually when I have my lever gun) it can be a... challenge... to pull an accurate range estimation out of your arse on the fly. Flatter gives one just a little more buffer room. My next step is to take the flex tip or the monoflex and find a "better" hand load with it. As of now, I trust them pretty well.
@@Ratkill9000 you're still going to be good. For practical 3030 I consider 150 yards a long shot. The Hornady just did it all at a better level than the soft points I was used to. It shot noticeably flatter and gave me a faster kill than I expected . They have consistantly performed better for me. Confidence in the ammo helps.
In my experience (watching UA-cam videos) ballistic tips seem to expand much more reliably and are less prone to clogging and velocity dependent for expansion.
There is another advantage to ballistic tips over soft points in rifles. Repeated chambering of a round in a rifle during hunting season can mark up the end of the lead. Not sure if this is super important but it does mark it up. With ballistic tips there is no obvious issues. Perhaps there is some impact on ballistic tip rounds as well that can't be seen with the naked eye.
An interesting bullet I’ve seen (not sure it’s still available for purchase) is the “varmint grenade” round, an am 180 loaded with those is my fantasy zombie gun
Hollow points are best for long range? I was not aware of that, and it seems like counter intuitive. But my intuition is not known to be 100% reliable anyways. And then, the punch line 😁 Thanks.
How about doing a show on ballistics in regards to over penatration like a orange tip 556 veres a fmj 556 or hollow points filling up with cloth and then becoming more like a fmj
@@DustinSilva well better feeding on feeding ramps like those in rifles pistols etc., less lead fouling in the rifling meaning your accuracy it's more consistent longer, some jackets help control expansion since lead is softer it tends to expand faster that the harder copper jacket meaning on faster rounds like magnums and rifles a jacket will help in penetration by delivering more controlled expansion, since leading isn't a big issue with jackets you can load up jacketed rounds hotter without the need to worry about lead melting from higher pressure (some lead rounds have something called a gas check that helps with leading) those are soñar of the main ones I can think of
I gather that a polymer tip would be better for hunting? I have one box of soft point for my AR for hunting, can't find anymore soft point. But can find polymer...thanks.
Penetration is far too shallow to be considered good for self defense, The Chopping Block and ARFdotCOM has a lot of .223/5.56 gelatin testing and talking about the subject.
I’ve seen 7.63x25 (.30 Mauser) with soft point bullets. What do you think those are probably meant for, rabbits? I’ve heard with pistols that hollow points are much better for expansion than soft point, in most cases.
Probably because of the velocity,size and weight of the small bottleneck cartridges like that and the Tokerev would make cheap expanding ammo available for self defense.
Is anybody with a high speed camera able to check and see if ballistic tips actually keep their shape down the barrel and through the air? I wonder sometimes about them
From what I read in a comment section, Hornaday figured out that the polymer tip was melting going downrange using a doppler chronograph and had to reformulate the polymer for the ballistic tip to prevent melting from air friction.
I'm a newbie who just recently bought my first and so far only gun. It's a S&W 686 Plus .357, 7-shot, 5-inch barrel beauty. I'm only interested in what would do the most amount of damage in a life-threatening situation. So, what is the best ammo I can use? Thanks.
What is the first cartdrige the hornday critical duty the bottle neck one the only thing that comes to mind is 357 sig but setting next to it is a 45 and the 357 sig is not that small compared to a 45 because the 357 sig has the same case as 40 s and w it just looks like a bottle necked 380
Can You Post information on Wholesale to retail pricing on Ammo? Question is during National Emergency price gouging is a Crime and retailers selling at exorbitant or excessive mark up is a crime.
I've always heard hollowpoint rifle bullets have an accuracy/consistency advantage. Does this include the 223/556 barnes tsx projectile? I ask since just about every other 223/556 hollowpoint was engineered differently to improve consistency and fragment vs the tsx
Other than for hunting applications and keeping at home, I understand that the use of hollow points is illegal in New Jersey. So what do you recommend the very few wealthy and/or politically connected who are the only ones able to get a carry permit (I'm guessing) use for self defense? Would that be soft points? I don't live there, but I do pass through on occasion so if one of my permits is ever honored there, I'd like to know. Thank you in advance.
My understanding for why "hollow point" rifle bullets have more predictable flight paths, and are therefore better for long range precision shooting, is that the open tip meplat (OTM) bullet creates a high pressure zone inside the tip of the bullet. This creates a zone of low turbulence around the bullet that effectively smoothes out the area interacting with the atmosphere by reducing drag via creating laminar flow of atmosphere around the bullet. Can anyone speak to that? It's one of those things that makes intuitive sense, but I'm not sure how confident I am in my ability to describe it accurately.
The reason hollow points are used for accuracy is that it creates a bubble of air in the tip and pretty much much the leading edge of the bullet to be made out of air instead of copper so you get less resistance on the tip
I recently picked up a partial box of Winchester 270 130gr. silvertip bullets which is like a blistington that you would get from porn today or nosler but instead of a polymer insert a silver soft lead cone at the top or point. Say what has any information and would get back to me I would be very interested to hear what you have to share
No, that why the technical term for them is “Open Tipped Match” not Hollow point...however depending on the exact bullet they can basically explode inside soft tissue (the sierra match king 77gr otm that the military uses will do that) ....they are made that way not to expand but because its easier to create a more consistent bullet jacket by “reverse drawing” the copper from the tail of the bullet forward, it also makes the bullet rear heavy helping in accuracy.
Some inaccurate information here. Regarding polymer tipped bullets, they are now the preferred choice for long range shooting because they allow for a more consistent BC and flight. Open tip match were the most affective until recently. Also, hollow point bullets often get clogged with material and act like a FMJ when going through barriers such as dry wall.
Missing some bullet history. Muskets and early rifles used spheres. Cheap, easy, reliable and effective for black powder. Round nose cylinders allowed more mass, conical tips allowed longer range. Then came smokeless powder and increased velocity (lead deposits in the rifling). Copper alloy jackets were the answer to lead fouling. Why cover the whole bullet? Thick jackets prevent expansion and bullet fragmentation. Getting pistol bullets to expand requires a balance of hardness and velocity. Not always reliable, even today. Lastly, long range shooters use hollow points because of balance and aerodynamics.
@@ed00001 I don't have the intention of speaking on behalf of Derek but this is a very complex topic to cover in 5 minutes. Also that part at minute 4:34, my God, brought down the purpose of the video.
I love the professionalism in these videos.
Please keep making this sort of content.
I had the honor of speaking to Steve a few weeks ago when I called the techs for an answer on 1911 aftermarket parts...we had a very pleasant and informative conversation...
No kidding, that's so cool that he's also active with customers.
Normally I would end a video when I hear the people saying goodbye, but here, I just HAVE to stay for the victory sip
Most meme ed Channel in gun world
Hey can we get a tour of your background
Great idea for episode.
I have to add a comment because I agree with this more than just a thumbs up
It's like a cardboard box with some fancy stuff that you can see
Ya know, that thought had also come across my mind more than once. 👍👍
Steve's reaction to Caleb's pun was priceless. 😆👍
Ha, you can tell Caleb enjoyed it.
Re: HPBT match bullets, it is my understanding that the process of drawing a consistent jacket over the core is more consistent going base-to-tip vs tip-to-base with a FMJ. Better concentricity, more consistent BC, and better balance.
In a future video feel free to touch on rifle hollow points. Some are designed for match (not expansion) while some are designed for expansion (usually not match) It is so important to know about the bullet you are shooting! Some HPBT perform quite well on game but some would be quite unethical. Some are made for varmint only and expand/fragment REAL fast. I've personally discovered folks using the WORST bullet for the job because of these misunderstandings.
Thanks for the additional info, I knew that I heard about the main reason behind OTM projectiles before, but I wasn’t sure.
I believe the main reason for the OTM projectiles is to create the air pocket on the tip of the projectile. Hence, the bullet will penetrate the air better resulting in flatter and longer distance.
The Brits initially used an aluminium...yes...aluminium tip in their. 303 ammo but substituted paper maiche when aluminium became a strategic material..they noted it gave the bullets better accuracy at the same time that it increased the wounding capability...B T W...the Brits being. Well. BRITS, autoclaved the paper maichevto prevent the attending disease and infections it would cause
The correct bullet for the intended purpose. Bullet shape is only part of the selection process.
@@cbroz7492 what a bunch of gentleman
Thanks for your videos, from Switzerland!
Love your guys videos don’t ever stop thank you for everything you do.
Thank you for watching!
Why do I want to drink coffee after every video?! Love you guys! Keep it up!
Subliminal Suggestion.
I love videos that teach me things I did not know or fully know before, Thank you!
Lmao that last part made my actually laugh out loud, great videos guys! Thanks for the content 🙏
Down there in the South, them are called Holler points.
In your 22's, do you shoot CCI "STAYNGERS" also?
Maybe in some parts lol
In this case, just the tip is what really matters.
My understanding is that some rifle caliber hollow point bullets (specifically open tip match bullets) are made by making a hollow copper shell very precisely and then pouring molten lead in through the tip. The hollow point is actually a side effect of the manufacturing process as opposed to being the primary goal. Higher accuracy is the primary goal and pouring lead through the tip of a copper shell apparently contributes better to that than more conventional manufacturing methods (i.e. pressing copper onto an already formed lead bullet or pouring lead in through the tail).
My understanding of OTM bullet design is that the hollow point helps create a low pressure zone in front of the bullet. Think if it like the dimples on a gulf ball.
Gentlemen - I greatly enjoy your videos, they are outstanding, and you’re both entirely expert professional, and understandable (without any arrogance).
I’d like to add two matters, which might have some relevance to some viewers:
1. In some jurisdictions (New Jersey is a prominent example), the mere possession of a hollow point cartridge (this may not apply in your home?) is unlawful. Therefore, ammunition such as soft points or wadcutters may be a better legal defensive alehtrnarive than FMJs. I’n not an attorney, but such regulations are obviously important to understand fully, and three to ascertain permissible defensive alternatives that may outperform FMJs.
2. Tubular magazine rifles, of course, have the concern of a pointed/Spitzer projectile igniting the following round’s primer, if the weapon is severely “shocked” (perhaps dropped on its butt from a considerable height). LEVERevolution projectiles are a fine solution for this problem. I wonder, however, if this was ever an issue for pump/slide action rifles, such as the Remington 760 chambered in .30-06? If it was not, then why is it such a concern for lever action rifles?
@Caden Wikle
THANKS, I’m not an expert but I “think” both pump/side and lever action rifles use tubular magazines that are spring powered to move rounds aft, to the point where the mechanical energy supplied by activating the lever or the slide/pump then chambers the round.
Every Remington 760 series uses a magazine, so there is no concern using spire pointed bullets
@@timhusk2913 I can verify that statement. My brother had a Rem 760 in 30-06 for years and it used the same detachable 4 round box magazine as the Rem 740 which was the semi-automatic counterpart. My Dad had a Rem 740 so I was able to confirm it directly.
The issue is tube fed magazines and the recoil setting off the primer. The LEVERevolution gave you soft tip and a higher ballistic bullet. In tube fed magazines you can use a Spitzer -1 in the chamber and 1 in the tube.
Excellent info. Thanks
I love your videos. Very instructive for a newbie like me 👍
Great video guys!
This ones for the algorithm.
In my 30-30, I use hollow points because the most distance is 70 yards. If I hunt in areas over 100 yards, I go with soft points. This year, got a deer at 15 yards. Dropped it in its tracks. Plus, remember, the area your hunting in. The houses may be close by. Nearest house was three hundred yards away.
Should have called this video “Just the Tip”. Oh well! It’s a lost opportunity.
Anyway, awesome video. I always learn something when watch these.
Love me some “holla” points
One "point' to remember is that expanding bullets are velocity based. If the round doesn't have the needed velocity, it will never expand. One should always check the performance of their ammunition in the particular firearm they use, especially short barreled handguns.
There's a big difference between Sierra Match King hollow points and handgun hollow points, two different birds altogether. - with different feathers
I got a proposal for another quick tip: How to distinguish a good muzzle brake from a bad one.
I would like to learn about that topic.
Sure! We talked a bit about it before. Ideally you want a break that closely matches the bullet diameter, ideally about .020" over bullet diameter.
The soft point is probably the better way to go in rifles that fire center fired pistol rounds.
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Love these videos! Thanks!
I don't like using hollow points for hunting as it tears up the meat too bad unless its a neck shot or placed in a vital away from the meat. During expansion they often separate jacket and core and fragment inside the meat and that is not what I want. A ballistic tip is essentially a hollow point with a plastic pointed plug for a tip. This is to aid in bullet flight and penetration over a hollow point while expanding slower. But its still a hollow point and will do what a hollow point does. Soft point partitions that hold together and mushroom are a better choice for me as a hunting round.
For defense and contrary to belief a hollow point will zip right on through barriers. Hollow points are designed to expand in soft material that fills the cavity causing expansion. You don't get that expansion through a solid barrier as the cavity is not filled enough by hard material to force expansion like soft material does. So don't use a hollow point thinking that it will not penetrate solid barriers. All bullets over penetrate and there is no magic bullet but for less penetration on solid barriers while still stopping a threat try an FBI protocol frangible bullet such as Federal Syntech Defense loads. If its not FBI protocol then it may not penetrate a target enough and is less likely to stop a threat. Frangibles break up on impact but often do not penetrate enough so with FBI protocol met it will penetrate enough to stop a threat. Pistols are poor at stopping threats so I would prefer a shotgun with #4 turkey load that will stop a threat but be less likely to go through multiple solid barriers. If bystanders are not a problem, nor surrounding bystanders, then I don't have to be as concerned with barrier penetration.
Dry wall will plug a hollow point just about every time. A 9mm will go through 15 to 20 half inch sheets. That's 7 or more rooms. People need to rethink their home defense choices. Right now #3 and #4 is all I'm seeing on the selves. 2 bucks a piece, but what you gonna do.
Solid barriers does not include drywall (sheetrock). There is very little "solid" about it!
Paul Harrell has some videos where he shoots through mock up walls with various calibers and gauges. Well worth the watch.
@@haroldhenderson2824 ?
@@haroldhenderson2824 Haha. Okay, just call it a barrier.
I'd like to know more on the Hornady Leverevolution vs soft point. If the the Spitzer bullet design does better within the range of a rounded .30-30. It's pretty much the only ammo I've been using in my .30-30, just wondering if it's worth the extra cash.
Unless you shoot a LOT of your hunting bullets on the range, stick with a good bullet. Of course that's rifle dependant. I like leverlutions because they group well in my 94 and work on game. The ballistic advantage and extra speed is just a bonus.
The first deer I harvested with the lever evolution sold me. It was a long shot for a 3030 and I held high. Did not get the drop I expected but the deer dropped on impact. They work very well. I have hunted with that same Marlin for 30 years and was shocked by the difference the Hornady made.
My Marlin .30-30 is a 20" stainless steel model. Bought a Bushnell AK scope with a BDC reticle because I knew the trajectory between 7.62x39mm and .30-30 is really damn close to being the same. Sounds like I won't have to compensate much with the Hornady than with a rounded bullet.
@@Ratkill9000 Probably not too dissimilar with the 20." While the trajectory differences may not be huge, it really helps in the field. Especially when stalking (that's usually when I have my lever gun) it can be a... challenge... to pull an accurate range estimation out of your arse on the fly. Flatter gives one just a little more buffer room. My next step is to take the flex tip or the monoflex and find a "better" hand load with it. As of now, I trust them pretty well.
@@Ratkill9000 you're still going to be good. For practical 3030 I consider 150 yards a long shot. The Hornady just did it all at a better level than the soft points I was used to. It shot noticeably flatter and gave me a faster kill than I expected . They have consistantly performed better for me.
Confidence in the ammo helps.
4:38
I don't know whether to laugh or cry in agony :D
He cant wait to bring this up...
Soft points promote expansion, but they also promote penetration without opening up 😂👍🏼
In my experience (watching UA-cam videos) ballistic tips seem to expand much more reliably and are less prone to clogging and velocity dependent for expansion.
THANKS
There is another advantage to ballistic tips over soft points in rifles. Repeated chambering of a round in a rifle during hunting season can mark up the end of the lead. Not sure if this is super important but it does mark it up. With ballistic tips there is no obvious issues. Perhaps there is some impact on ballistic tip rounds as well that can't be seen with the naked eye.
Why would you repeatedly chamber the same round???
An interesting bullet I’ve seen (not sure it’s still available for purchase) is the “varmint grenade” round, an am 180 loaded with those is my fantasy zombie gun
Steve looked grievously wounded by that pun 🤣
Why is the 40 S&W a flat point where the 9MM and 45 ACP are round nosed?
Hollow points are best for long range? I was not aware of that, and it seems like counter intuitive. But my intuition is not known to be 100% reliable anyways. And then, the punch line 😁
Thanks.
I think it has to do with the weight sitting farther back on the bullet
@@jorgesolis9468 It is the meplat in the front actually.
@@CalebSavant I did not know that I figured that would make it worse but you might be right
Now this is no bench rifle, but I found with a sks the hp tulammo was keyholing around 90 yards
quick and to the point! 10/10
How about doing a show on ballistics in regards to over penatration like a orange tip 556 veres a fmj 556 or hollow points filling up with cloth and then becoming more like a fmj
What about Jacketed Hollow Points?
Those are hollow points
They were made for different reasons though
@@jorgesolis9468 thats why I asked my question...what is their specific purpose
@@DustinSilva well better feeding on feeding ramps like those in rifles pistols etc., less lead fouling in the rifling meaning your accuracy it's more consistent longer, some jackets help control expansion since lead is softer it tends to expand faster that the harder copper jacket meaning on faster rounds like magnums and rifles a jacket will help in penetration by delivering more controlled expansion, since leading isn't a big issue with jackets you can load up jacketed rounds hotter without the need to worry about lead melting from higher pressure (some lead rounds have something called a gas check that helps with leading) those are soñar of the main ones I can think of
Damn so I’m looking for ammo more along the lines for self defense with a rifle, didn’t know if I should go with ballistic tip or hornady polymer tip
I gather that a polymer tip would be better for hunting? I have one box of soft point for my AR for hunting, can't find anymore soft point. But can find polymer...thanks.
Where does the Polymer tip go? does it go all into the meat of the animal or does it get pushed into the center of the bullet ?
Question: Would Varmint Grenades be a good choice for home defense? I'm talking 5.56 in a 16 inch carbine. Thanks.
Penetration is far too shallow to be considered good for self defense, The Chopping Block and ARFdotCOM has a lot of .223/5.56 gelatin testing and talking about the subject.
I’ve seen 7.63x25 (.30 Mauser) with soft point bullets. What do you think those are probably meant for, rabbits? I’ve heard with pistols that hollow points are much better for expansion than soft point, in most cases.
Probably because of the velocity,size and weight of the small bottleneck cartridges like that and the Tokerev would make cheap expanding ammo available for self defense.
Is anybody with a high speed camera able to check and see if ballistic tips actually keep their shape down the barrel and through the air? I wonder sometimes about them
From what I read in a comment section, Hornaday figured out that the polymer tip was melting going downrange using a doppler chronograph and had to reformulate the polymer for the ballistic tip to prevent melting from air friction.
Some exceptions here too fellas, how bout the .223 gold dot? It’s a soft point and really marketed to self defense, and highly effective.
Hollow points are also less likely to pass through a target
I've been watching your videos for some time now and I have a question, are Kaleb and Steve related?
I'm a newbie who just recently bought my first and so far only gun. It's a S&W 686 Plus .357, 7-shot, 5-inch barrel beauty. I'm only interested in what would do the most amount of damage in a life-threatening situation. So, what is the best ammo I can use? Thanks.
What is the first cartdrige the hornday critical duty the bottle neck one the only thing that comes to mind is 357 sig but setting next to it is a 45 and the 357 sig is not that small compared to a 45 because the 357 sig has the same case as 40 s and w it just looks like a bottle necked 380
Thanks for the video
Can You Post information on Wholesale to retail pricing on Ammo? Question is during National Emergency price gouging is a Crime and retailers selling at exorbitant or excessive mark up is a crime.
I've always heard hollowpoint rifle bullets have an accuracy/consistency advantage. Does this include the 223/556 barnes tsx projectile? I ask since just about every other 223/556 hollowpoint was engineered differently to improve consistency and fragment vs the tsx
What about swaged tips like federal fusion?
Other than for hunting applications and keeping at home, I understand that the use of hollow points is illegal in New Jersey. So what do you recommend the very few wealthy and/or politically connected who are the only ones able to get a carry permit (I'm guessing) use for self defense? Would that be soft points? I don't live there, but I do pass through on occasion so if one of my permits is ever honored there, I'd like to know. Thank you in advance.
Great "tip".
In AK I saw hunters using hollow point 223 with bad results I advised soft point ammo.
Great video. When do you think we'll see more ammo in stock?
Dont forget to add - for a reasonable price*
@@JosephHuver I got 2 boxes of .45 training for $80. That's too much.
If it's up to the government, Never!
Just the bullet tips ?
My understanding for why "hollow point" rifle bullets have more predictable flight paths, and are therefore better for long range precision shooting, is that the open tip meplat (OTM) bullet creates a high pressure zone inside the tip of the bullet. This creates a zone of low turbulence around the bullet that effectively smoothes out the area interacting with the atmosphere by reducing drag via creating laminar flow of atmosphere around the bullet.
Can anyone speak to that? It's one of those things that makes intuitive sense, but I'm not sure how confident I am in my ability to describe it accurately.
Yes, that is correct.
At the supersonic speeds of rifle bullets, you have two shockwaves. One at the tip, one at the rear. Both create drag.
The reason hollow points are used for accuracy is that it creates a bubble of air in the tip and pretty much much the leading edge of the bullet to be made out of air instead of copper so you get less resistance on the tip
I recently picked up a partial box of Winchester 270 130gr. silvertip bullets which is like a blistington that you would get from porn today or nosler but instead of a polymer insert a silver soft lead cone at the top or point. Say what has any information and would get back to me I would be very interested to hear what you have to share
They crack me up
Do match hp expand when they hit something?
No, that why the technical term for them is “Open Tipped Match” not Hollow point...however depending on the exact bullet they can basically explode inside soft tissue (the sierra match king 77gr otm that the military uses will do that) ....they are made that way not to expand but because its easier to create a more consistent bullet jacket by “reverse drawing” the copper from the tail of the bullet forward, it also makes the bullet rear heavy helping in accuracy.
Ryan Peck I use Hornady and federal 168g bthp 308 i don’t know much about the 5.56
Why did you not discuss the difference between Open Tip Match rifle bullets and regular hollow points?
All I have is range ammo,can't get anything else,,here in cali.so that would be my defense ammo also.any tips??
Bullet placement matters most. Bullet weight and type, not so much.
Hit your intended target.
Full length guide rod vs milspec in a 1911.
Just the tip....I promise!!!
*the Point*
Just the tip, I promise.
tips on points
Just the tip, thats what she said.
So, the Point of this video is.....the Point.
30-30?...who shoots that oldman cartridge anymore?! Get 300 UltraMurderDeth Magnum instead!!
Some inaccurate information here. Regarding polymer tipped bullets, they are now the preferred choice for long range shooting because they allow for a more consistent BC and flight. Open tip match were the most affective until recently. Also, hollow point bullets often get clogged with material and act like a FMJ when going through barriers such as dry wall.
Missing some bullet history. Muskets and early rifles used spheres. Cheap, easy, reliable and effective for black powder. Round nose cylinders allowed more mass, conical tips allowed longer range. Then came smokeless powder and increased velocity (lead deposits in the rifling). Copper alloy jackets were the answer to lead fouling. Why cover the whole bullet? Thick jackets prevent expansion and bullet fragmentation. Getting pistol bullets to expand requires a balance of hardness and velocity. Not always reliable, even today. Lastly, long range shooters use hollow points because of balance and aerodynamics.
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Side note: Caleb looks and sound like a 1950s country western star. That's pretty damn awesome if you ask me.
I also get that vibe. Could easily pass for Porter Wagoner's great grand nephew.
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Humor!
The summary of this video just the tip
Like you can even buy ammo ......hahahaha
Sorry guys you really didn't cover this very well. Your other videos are generally very good
Feel free to expand
@@ed00001 I don't have the intention of speaking on behalf of Derek but this is a very complex topic to cover in 5 minutes. Also that part at minute 4:34, my God, brought down the purpose of the video.
poor presentation no annimation whatsoever