Amazing! I couldn't go to the event by myself and yet you were there and have just shared everything I wonder about the cargo bikes and trikes. Thanks a lot, dear friend.
I once was driving a Bakfiets with three wood burning stoves in the bed, during the Amsterdam marathon, I by mistake, managed to get onto the course of the marathon, it was funny all the spectators clapping and waving me on...
Sounds like a super fun story! All sorts of things happen in the Tour de France, but I bet they never had a cargo bike with three stoves on it;) Cheers!
1 - overcomplicated 2 and 3 - primitive system really good to crash in a situation you might ne to swerve suddenly 4 - love the idea. Great to take your kids to school and slalom around obstacles, honestly seems to be the best tricycle option 5- the best
What i especially am wondering, is whether the tilting trike suffers from the same issue while riding on a road that's canted to one side - the seat post not being straight up. I used a large early 20th century cargo bike for moving large stuff within my city once, but it was terrible when the road surface was not perfectly horizontal - you had to put in effort to keep your upper body upright, while your legs were pedaling at an angle. It also had the most terrifying handling and brakes i ever experienced - only a rear brake, with a hand lever between your legs, and it locked up at the slightest touch of it while at the same time barely retarding you because that single rear wheel doesn't do much, traction wise. Even at the blistering pace of 15km/h it felt dangerous. How far we've come. I was happy to be able to rent that thing, though - renting a car would be multiple times the price and still not load the stuff i needed to move as easily.
Not sure on this cargo bike with the wheels out front but I'd like a regular trike with tilting rear wheels. I think it will stabilize the trike on slanted roads, which makes up much of Florida.
IDK what you're looking for in the trike, but the first thing that comes to mind there were no "rickshaw" configuration trikes here, where it would have been the reverse of the trike 4 - cargo over two wheel axle at the back - which separates the cargo load from steering at the cost of drivetrain having a differential, which probably is in trike 4. Also the trike 4 steering rate should be easy to alter with a longer side bar and/or perhaps multi-hole set, or one could even make side-cam system for adjustment on the fly if feeling adventurous 😆. For delivering boxes in city area I'd go for trike 4, for cross-country touring - neither. I'd chose the trike you're working on with "two steering wheels at front - then coffin - then rider" configuration. Good comparo, data tables rule! 😀👍
Thank you! What I prefer in trikes with two wheel in the front in comparison to rickshaw with two wheels in the bike is that they are better to turn because the centrifugal force pushes outward and front in turns. When you turn in a trike with two wheels in the back it tends to turn over. Cheers!
I see what you mean, and it makes sense. I was told by the gentleman from Nicolai that it is now how it's supposed to be ridden, and it's just meant for parking, so I didn't try it.
Thank you! I'm certainly more interested in the tilting trike because I want to make a vehicle that is agile at speed. The tilting trike that I tested here is very well-built. There is no play anywhere. This is what I'm trying to achieve with mine - a very good build. But I don't think I'm close to having a good geometry;)
Thank you for the demos! We don't have many bakfiets (or variants) in the US, and it's good to see a range somewhere. What was the expo you tried these out at?
the last one lacks a con: if the cargo load is heavy and not balanced, becomes undrivable. it the only one that depends on your capability of act as an active counter balancer. I guess that could be a lot more tiring than the additional weights of the trikes. the best for unloaded demos tho.
Great point! It does have a differential. You can see a picture of it here: cargocycles.com.au/socialpost/i-test-rode-the-rear-steer-black-iron-horse-trikes/
I think the biggest downside with any bike with more than 2 wheels is that it becomes really difficult to avoid bumps and potholes. You will always hit everything and have an uncomfortable ride, while with 2 wheels you can pick very narrow flat sections like a regular bike. Unfortunately, our 'fietspaden' are not always perfectly smooth like the concrete in this test location.
There are advantages for two wheels of course. In my opinion, if you hit a pothole, it's better on a trike. But I agree that it's easier to avoid potholes on a bike.
@@pedro-neves In my experience it's actually worse, as you also get thrown sideways. The bike with tilting mechanism will do better I think, but I don't have experience with those.
Hey Mark! It's cool that we see each other again via UA-cam channels;) I've been watching your videos for years since Florian told me about it;) I'm doing well. Hope you're doing well too!
@@pedro-neves I like the portal longtail because its very long & has useful bike power output for agriculture use, besides that surly also have nice one.
@@pedro-neves it has a solid stand & from the rear wheel an extra chain with power output that can be used for many purposes, like pump water, grind grains, generate electricity etc etc
Thank you;) Just want to note that the vehicles that I'm comparing on this video are commercial vehicles by other companies. The one that I'm making myself is this one: ua-cam.com/video/quPFFIaY86c/v-deo.htmlsi=3K6hDdHzSL_ijNSJ. I'm an electrical engineer and mechanical hobbyist;) Cheers!
I really like Pfautec's tricycles but I wish they made a tilting tricycle. Wouldn't a tilting mechanism allow for better handling with a single wheel in the front like conventional tricycles? I'm not an engineer but my son is currently in engineering school and I have some ideas for making a velomobile on a tricycle frame.
Hello, most trikes nowadays have two wheels in the front because it's more stable when turning. When you turn, there is a force directing the vehicle to the front and outward. If you have two wheels in the front, this force will be supported by the outer wheel. In trikes with two wheels in the back, when turning, the force tends to make the vehicle tip over. I hope this answers your question. Cheers!
@@pedro-neves Everyone growing up in the Netherlands usually dreaded the words "You're not made of sugar" as said by the parents when it's raining cats and dogs outside 😅
@@nonegone7170, this is one of my favorite things about living in The Netherlands. If it's raining, life still goes on. Amsterdam is my favorite place to be in the Winter. Everything is very gezellig inside and when commuting, well, just take some rain. "Not made of sugar" is a great expression;)
Amazing! I couldn't go to the event by myself and yet you were there and have just shared everything I wonder about the cargo bikes and trikes. Thanks a lot, dear friend.
I'm glad it was useful! Cheers!
I once was driving a Bakfiets with three wood burning stoves in the bed, during the Amsterdam marathon, I by mistake, managed to get onto the course of the marathon, it was funny all the spectators clapping and waving me on...
Sounds like a super fun story! All sorts of things happen in the Tour de France, but I bet they never had a cargo bike with three stoves on it;)
Cheers!
1 - overcomplicated
2 and 3 - primitive system really good to crash in a situation you might ne to swerve suddenly
4 - love the idea. Great to take your kids to school and slalom around obstacles, honestly seems to be the best tricycle option
5- the best
The trike maneuvers like a forklift with the rear steering wheel, however, at high speeds that can become an issue of stability😅😊
The rear steering is definitely better for low speed maneuvering. But, it felt surprisingly good at going straight with some speed.
What i especially am wondering, is whether the tilting trike suffers from the same issue while riding on a road that's canted to one side - the seat post not being straight up.
I used a large early 20th century cargo bike for moving large stuff within my city once, but it was terrible when the road surface was not perfectly horizontal - you had to put in effort to keep your upper body upright, while your legs were pedaling at an angle. It also had the most terrifying handling and brakes i ever experienced - only a rear brake, with a hand lever between your legs, and it locked up at the slightest touch of it while at the same time barely retarding you because that single rear wheel doesn't do much, traction wise.
Even at the blistering pace of 15km/h it felt dangerous. How far we've come.
I was happy to be able to rent that thing, though - renting a car would be multiple times the price and still not load the stuff i needed to move as easily.
Not sure on this cargo bike with the wheels out front but I'd like a regular trike with tilting rear wheels. I think it will stabilize the trike on slanted roads, which makes up much of Florida.
Thanks for nice exhibit of various types of cargo bikes. Now I have thoughts about how I want to make my own.
Nice!! I'm glad it helped! And good luck with your build;) Cheers!
@@pedro-neves Thanks! I will do my best!
IDK what you're looking for in the trike, but the first thing that comes to mind there were no "rickshaw" configuration trikes here, where it would have been the reverse of the trike 4 - cargo over two wheel axle at the back - which separates the cargo load from steering at the cost of drivetrain having a differential, which probably is in trike 4. Also the trike 4 steering rate should be easy to alter with a longer side bar and/or perhaps multi-hole set, or one could even make side-cam system for adjustment on the fly if feeling adventurous 😆. For delivering boxes in city area I'd go for trike 4, for cross-country touring - neither. I'd chose the trike you're working on with "two steering wheels at front - then coffin - then rider" configuration. Good comparo, data tables rule! 😀👍
Thank you! What I prefer in trikes with two wheel in the front in comparison to rickshaw with two wheels in the bike is that they are better to turn because the centrifugal force pushes outward and front in turns. When you turn in a trike with two wheels in the back it tends to turn over. Cheers!
The lock-out on the tilting trike should make low speed maneuvers easier.
I see what you mean, and it makes sense. I was told by the gentleman from Nicolai that it is now how it's supposed to be ridden, and it's just meant for parking, so I didn't try it.
Thanks for the interesting video! I'd be interested in hearing how you'd compare these bikes/trikes to the ones you've built. :)
Thank you! I'm certainly more interested in the tilting trike because I want to make a vehicle that is agile at speed. The tilting trike that I tested here is very well-built. There is no play anywhere. This is what I'm trying to achieve with mine - a very good build. But I don't think I'm close to having a good geometry;)
Thank you for the demos! We don't have many bakfiets (or variants) in the US, and it's good to see a range somewhere. What was the expo you tried these out at?
Hello, I'm glad you liked it! This expo was in Amsterdam. Here is a link to the yearly event: cargobikefestival.com/. Cheers!
the last one lacks a con: if the cargo load is heavy and not balanced, becomes undrivable. it the only one that depends on your capability of act as an active counter balancer. I guess that could be a lot more tiring than the additional weights of the trikes.
the best for unloaded demos tho.
Hello, very good point! I wonder how the bike rides with a lot of weight on one side.
Does the rear steering version have a differential? Because it seems like it needed one.
Great point! It does have a differential. You can see a picture of it here: cargocycles.com.au/socialpost/i-test-rode-the-rear-steer-black-iron-horse-trikes/
I would love to build a tilting cargo trike with solar roof for sun and light rain protection
I agree! I think of rain protection all the time, but somehow it's just not used in The Netherlands;)
I think the biggest downside with any bike with more than 2 wheels is that it becomes really difficult to avoid bumps and potholes. You will always hit everything and have an uncomfortable ride, while with 2 wheels you can pick very narrow flat sections like a regular bike. Unfortunately, our 'fietspaden' are not always perfectly smooth like the concrete in this test location.
There are advantages for two wheels of course. In my opinion, if you hit a pothole, it's better on a trike. But I agree that it's easier to avoid potholes on a bike.
@@pedro-neves In my experience it's actually worse, as you also get thrown sideways. The bike with tilting mechanism will do better I think, but I don't have experience with those.
Hey Pedro! Great to see your channel! Hope you’re well?
Hey Mark! It's cool that we see each other again via UA-cam channels;) I've been watching your videos for years since Florian told me about it;) I'm doing well. Hope you're doing well too!
Another one to review later & compare would be longtail cargo bike
Hello, indeed! Those are becoming more popular, and I'm also curious about them.
Cheers!
@@pedro-neves I like the portal longtail because its very long & has useful bike power output for agriculture use, besides that surly also have nice one.
@@jezohare3013 , that's interesting. What do you mean by agricultural use?
@@pedro-neves it has a solid stand & from the rear wheel an extra chain with power output that can be used for many purposes, like pump water, grind grains, generate electricity etc etc
@@jezohare3013 that sounds very cool! Would love to see something like that.
You do a wonderful job! What did you study to create those bikes, I want to learn!!
Thank you;) Just want to note that the vehicles that I'm comparing on this video are commercial vehicles by other companies. The one that I'm making myself is this one: ua-cam.com/video/quPFFIaY86c/v-deo.htmlsi=3K6hDdHzSL_ijNSJ. I'm an electrical engineer and mechanical hobbyist;) Cheers!
I really like Pfautec's tricycles but I wish they made a tilting tricycle. Wouldn't a tilting mechanism allow for better handling with a single wheel in the front like conventional tricycles? I'm not an engineer but my son is currently in engineering school and I have some ideas for making a velomobile on a tricycle frame.
Hello, this is the only conventional trike with tilting mechanism that I know: www.carverelectric.co.uk/.
Great, you went to the Rai. Did you also make video about the fully charged section of the hall? Did you try that Brekr moped you swirled by?
Hello, unfortunately I did not film the fully charged section or try the Brekr moped.
我想知道在重物情况下，转弯效果，是否有转向助力
Hello, I was not able to do tests with heavy loads, unfortunately. And, none of these vehicles had power steering.
@@pedro-neves 哦
Why none with 2 wheels in back and 1 in front
Hello, most trikes nowadays have two wheels in the front because it's more stable when turning. When you turn, there is a force directing the vehicle to the front and outward. If you have two wheels in the front, this force will be supported by the outer wheel. In trikes with two wheels in the back, when turning, the force tends to make the vehicle tip over. I hope this answers your question. Cheers!
None of these trikes protect you from the weather, or the elements, that one of the benefits of having a trike versus a conventional bicycle😅😊
Hehe, that's true;) It's interesting that in The Netherlands, where it rains so much, it is not common to see a trike with cover.
@@pedro-neves Everyone growing up in the Netherlands usually dreaded the words "You're not made of sugar" as said by the parents when it's raining cats and dogs outside 😅
@@nonegone7170, this is one of my favorite things about living in The Netherlands. If it's raining, life still goes on. Amsterdam is my favorite place to be in the Winter. Everything is very gezellig inside and when commuting, well, just take some rain. "Not made of sugar" is a great expression;)