The hardware was very advanced for its time, and it specialised in graphics and sound. If you consider how big a BMP or WAV file can be, and then consider that computers of the time didn't have the processing power for anything much more complex than such a thing (AKA no compression at all), 320x200 is actually quite impressive for the RAM. With something like a Commodore 64 (which was a few years older, but still a contemporary), you had to choose between that many colours or that much resolution - you couldn't do both. And the IIGS can do 640x200 as well, though this SHR file format didn't support it.
@@xXbudred123Xx I was already laughing at 720p being called "HDTV" when you made that comment 3 years ago. :) 720p as HD seemed to last no time at all.
People should be more like you. Can't find a converter to a special file format from several decades ago? Reverse-engineer the file format and create your own converter!
AI is adobe illustrator, right? Yeah, I wouldn't want to get the creative cloud suite/programs unless I needed it for like a business or something. DOCX I'm pretty sure you can upload to Gdrive and press open with google docs and it will make a copy in the google docs format. I don't know what CDR is, but I'll go look it up.
Quick check online tells me cdr is another vector format. Like AI, if I wouldn't want to pay for the special program unless I would use it all the time for a business. I know my mom is going to get Adobe CC for hers, and I'm probably going to use premier do edit my videos when I start making more videos for my channel.
sbcontt YT docx is just zipped XML. Change the file extension to .zip, extract, edit the thing with your favorite text editor. It does suck, but it is possible.
Just one thing you forgot to take into account: the Apple IIGS's use of rectangular pixels. A normal 4:3 aspect ratio display with square pixels would be 320x240 resolution, but the IIGS uses 320x200, so each pixel is slightly taller than it is wide. That's why your cat photo looked stretched out vertically when displayed on the IIGS.
On the Amiga, Super Hi-Res was 1280x256 up to 256 colours but that was only available to AGA Amigas such as the A1200 and A4000, Super Hi-Res laced was 1280x512. I still think those modes aren't emulated in UAE yet... But yeah, 320x200 was Low Res NTSC on the Amiga.
To be fair, Super-Hi-Res consists of two modes: 640x200 and 320x200. The latter of which was sometimes referred to as "Medium Super-Hi-Res" for its lower resolution. Also worth noting, it was only limited to 16 colors per *SCANLINE* (not screen), with each assigned its own unique palette, thereby allowing it to support up to 256 colors per screen with no software trickery or speed penalties. On that level, it even gave it an edge over the OCS Amiga. It's also relative speaking of course, considering the original Apple II in 1977 was 280x192 for "High-Res", so in 1986 "Super" aptly described 640x200.
Kryoflux is almost this, but it's more for archival stuff, not messing around. I wish someone would just make a PCI Express floppy controller so we could get around the bullshit of USB floppy drives being terrible.
well, it's a proprietary floppy controller, which apparently has some low-level control that normal floppy controllers don't have..? (i heard these floppy cables are very low level, but i assumed they were digital..? i dunno, it's clearly not my expertise..) also i don't see what benefits you expect from PCIe floppy controllers, to be honest.. does it have to do with booting or something?
I'd love to see a USB floppy that could read (and maybe write) any disk format, just download the driver (or filetype) and there you go. See also... 5.25" inch drives 3" drives (and yes, I mean 3" drives and *NOT* 3.5" inch drives, the ones used by Amstrad) And MiniDisc drives that can read and write to any MiniDisc format as either a Music MD (including converting to the relevant ATRAC codec) or a Data MD.
To compare, the PC-8801 from 1981 had a massive 640x200 resolution, but only 8 colors! (There was also a rarely-used 640x400 mode, but it was monochrome.) The vertical pixels were both taller, and interleaved, in order to fill the entire display.
Wow, the amount of work you put into these videos is amazing, I really admire your channel. If you don’t mind my asking, what software do you use to make these videos?
Will you make another video when you post the program you are writing for SHR conversion or do you have a GitHub we can watch to see when its posted? Thanks!
May I ask you to do a "rise and fall of ROBLOX"? It's technically not dead yet, with a projected amount of search results expected to be the highest in a while, but almost every old user that hasn't grown out of ROBLOX yet thinks that ROBLOX has technically died and it's slowly experiencing death.
You could have a floppy emulator in any old apple system and copy files to a sd card and put it on a gs for example, and even dont need tons of floppys to copy many things.
Have I been using the wrong program to send System 7 ShrinkIt packages to Basilisk II (a Macintosh emulator)? Must try CiderPress. EDIT: NOPE! MacTerminal still refuses to unpack from the .sit file. Also I like HFVExplorer more.
Oh the Newton does have a serial port? I think the closest on my Palm was IRDA, though... no, I do have an RS-232 dock for it. LOL! This computer we all knew was great for artists and typesetting can't even open BMP? Ah... I know what it is: The tendency of operating system authors in those days to delegate the provision of anything useful to third-party providers, and to hate standardization wherever they could get away with it. I'm saying this as someone who lived through the era; Windows was just as bad. One of the greatest things about Linux for me was the file format support in all the free programs. As crude and confusing as MPlayer was, it was a thing of wonder when every video codec on Windows required software from a different provider. Gimp was very good in file type support too, although it wasn't scriptable in those days. All I had for scripting image modifications was the the netpbm utilities with their confusingly irregular naming and options, or Image Magick which I didn't like for some reason. With netpbm, the image was processed through pipes and it could be tricky to find the right commands to display the finished result. Not Fun! It wasn't too long before Python got the GD image library, but I was going through a weird phase where I wanted to do everything with Unix pipes. I got hold of Plan 9 From Bell Labs before too long which solved the problem by having a nice, regular and useful set of command-line image tools. Another nice thing about Plan 9 is that you can read images straight from the window system. I once scaled and cropped an image using the window system and an image viewer, then removed the border (4 pixels all round) and converted it to PNG with 2 little command-line tools.
For those of you that have files from retro computer (Apple II, C64, Atari, Amiga) there's a nice, free online photo viewer/converter: tomseditor.com/editor
Honestly the content here is very good but I’m sure you’d be doing far better with an adult narrating your vids. Don’t take this the wrong way. I’m sure one day you’ll agree/understand
You could've done almost all of this with glitchlab or chromalab by ilixia on Play. Literally everything except the final conversion and transfer, and with only two clicks.
Curiosity converted the cat.
Awake thy is
Underrated comment.
The irony of calling 320 × 200 with an index of 16 colors a "Super Hi-Res" format...
The hardware was very advanced for its time, and it specialised in graphics and sound.
If you consider how big a BMP or WAV file can be, and then consider that computers of the time didn't have the processing power for anything much more complex than such a thing (AKA no compression at all), 320x200 is actually quite impressive for the RAM.
With something like a Commodore 64 (which was a few years older, but still a contemporary), you had to choose between that many colours or that much resolution - you couldn't do both. And the IIGS can do 640x200 as well, though this SHR file format didn't support it.
That sounds like the cga of PCs
Once 8k displays become the norm, people will be saying the same thing about 1080p being referred to as "Full HD"
That is very ironic. Computers were very different back then.
@@xXbudred123Xx I was already laughing at 720p being called "HDTV" when you made that comment 3 years ago. :) 720p as HD seemed to last no time at all.
People should be more like you. Can't find a converter to a special file format from several decades ago? Reverse-engineer the file format and create your own converter!
AI is adobe illustrator, right? Yeah, I wouldn't want to get the creative cloud suite/programs unless I needed it for like a business or something. DOCX I'm pretty sure you can upload to Gdrive and press open with google docs and it will make a copy in the google docs format. I don't know what CDR is, but I'll go look it up.
Quick check online tells me cdr is another vector format. Like AI, if I wouldn't want to pay for the special program unless I would use it all the time for a business. I know my mom is going to get Adobe CC for hers, and I'm probably going to use premier do edit my videos when I start making more videos for my channel.
sbcontt YT docx is just zipped XML. Change the file extension to .zip, extract, edit the thing with your favorite text editor.
It does suck, but it is possible.
Not many people have that expertise, time or interest to do that.
sbcontt YT Just go ahead and only use latex like a true professional
Just one thing you forgot to take into account: the Apple IIGS's use of rectangular pixels. A normal 4:3 aspect ratio display with square pixels would be 320x240 resolution, but the IIGS uses 320x200, so each pixel is slightly taller than it is wide. That's why your cat photo looked stretched out vertically when displayed on the IIGS.
I am always pleased to find your comments; your comments have never appeared as though they lack useful information.
A gooey interface? That sounds like a mess!
GUI...
*G*raphical *U*ser *I*nterface...
"GUI interface"
I understand your comment was a joke so don't attack me pls...
*G*
*U*
*E*
Y
"super hi-res"
320x200
16 colors
Yeah, that's Super High Resolution™
Also nice background
On the Amiga, Super Hi-Res was 1280x256 up to 256 colours but that was only available to AGA Amigas such as the A1200 and A4000, Super Hi-Res laced was 1280x512.
I still think those modes aren't emulated in UAE yet...
But yeah, 320x200 was Low Res NTSC on the Amiga.
"Retina resolution"
To be fair, Super-Hi-Res consists of two modes: 640x200 and 320x200. The latter of which was sometimes referred to as "Medium Super-Hi-Res" for its lower resolution. Also worth noting, it was only limited to 16 colors per *SCANLINE* (not screen), with each assigned its own unique palette, thereby allowing it to support up to 256 colors per screen with no software trickery or speed penalties. On that level, it even gave it an edge over the OCS Amiga. It's also relative speaking of course, considering the original Apple II in 1977 was 280x192 for "High-Res", so in 1986 "Super" aptly described 640x200.
This is what I love about Science Elf: “no software is available for what I need? No worries, I’ll just write my own!”
I didn't understand 90% of this but it was still fascinating...you're one of the first people i check for new visa, i love your videos!!!
3:42 gui interface or graphical user interface interface
Albert Cazares that the same thing 😂
Aaron Pearson
the joke
your head
Do you even know about graphical GUI interfaces for the user?
@@ThatsPety graphical GUI interfaces for the user? or graphical graphical user interface interfaces for the user?
I think that when google tries to read a webpage for you, you are looking at a GUII
Nothing more enjoyable than watching someone make old tech work with new tech.
Cat on the thumbnail: I don’t feel so good
btw: a multi-format floppy drive would be a pretty good open hardware project, i think.
Kryoflux is almost this, but it's more for archival stuff, not messing around. I wish someone would just make a PCI Express floppy controller so we could get around the bullshit of USB floppy drives being terrible.
well, it's a proprietary floppy controller, which apparently has some low-level control that normal floppy controllers don't have..? (i heard these floppy cables are very low level, but i assumed they were digital..? i dunno, it's clearly not my expertise..)
also i don't see what benefits you expect from PCIe floppy controllers, to be honest.. does it have to do with booting or something?
I'd love to see a USB floppy that could read (and maybe write) any disk format, just download the driver (or filetype) and there you go.
See also...
5.25" inch drives
3" drives (and yes, I mean 3" drives and *NOT* 3.5" inch drives, the ones used by Amstrad)
And MiniDisc drives that can read and write to any MiniDisc format as either a Music MD (including converting to the relevant ATRAC codec) or a Data MD.
There's a floppy driver emulator that accepts a USB thumb drive.
It looks like I'm not the only one who uses Bliss as background image even if i have Windows 10.
Why not link the first video in the description though? Yes, I can go ahead and find it myself, but still, why not?
Why didn't you post the link for me, now i need to search it.
Why didn't you post the link? Now I have to search it.
/s
@@noob3132 ua-cam.com/video/IhgbBfToELs/v-deo.html
Can you also release the source code of the converter? I would really like to know how one goes about writing such a program.
Ay, thanks for the new upload!
How I I like a video more than once? 1 like isn't enough to express how impressed I am with all your hard work!
I'm here for the jazz music.
Graphical user interface interface
To compare, the PC-8801 from 1981 had a massive 640x200 resolution, but only 8 colors!
(There was also a rarely-used 640x400 mode, but it was monochrome.)
The vertical pixels were both taller, and interleaved, in order to fill the entire display.
Wow, the amount of work you put into these videos is amazing, I really admire your channel. If you don’t mind my asking, what software do you use to make these videos?
It reminds me that I had the first digital camera back then, very cool video !
THE CAT APPROVES
i really love your channel just thought i'd throw that out there
Love ur vids! Keep it up man😆
Gotta love the Breadbin here. Just get an SD2IEC or IECATA and call it a day. The C64 even has software to open a JPG, just try out GoDot.
try getting something onto a commodore vic 20
its hard
i have a vic20 and ummmm two atari disk drives and a bunch of cartridge games. and an atari 800xl with a video output problem
i love the kitty thumbnail
And I though solving the issues I have on my Mac for having an NTFS disk was hard already. Haha
My kinda nerdy vid. Subscribed!
Will you make another video when you post the program you are writing for SHR conversion or do you have a GitHub we can watch to see when its posted? Thanks!
May I ask you to do a "rise and fall of ROBLOX"? It's technically not dead yet, with a projected amount of search results expected to be the highest in a while, but almost every old user that hasn't grown out of ROBLOX yet thinks that ROBLOX has technically died and it's slowly experiencing death.
I'd love it if we could just have a PCI Express floppy controller, so we could use old fashioned drives and cables.
Is that your cat? He/She is really cute!!!
Anyone else notice Maelstrom on the Mac’s screen starting at 0:42? Ambrosia games were amazing on Mac back then.
You're like the vsauce of computers
You could have a floppy emulator in any old apple system and copy files to a sd card and put it on a gs for example, and even dont need tons of floppys to copy many things.
Newton in Newton.... SUPER ACCEPTABLE
> No SHR Converters
Nice, a new project for me t-
> The Science Elf writes his own
:(
Do it anyway. He'll never release the damn thing.
@@WA_Stokins huh. Just saw this. Will do if not done already.
Can I get the download of that converter please.
I thought the vid was about file converter fails.. Still, this is informative
High is a relative term, so can't call anything high-resolution and expect it to hold up with time.
3:42 Ouch! RAS syndrome!
nice cat you have there
Neat
Whololo...
Ayohohoo whololo wholo lo.
Make sure you release the source with the GPL v3 :D
Could you do a threequel
Have I been using the wrong program to send System 7 ShrinkIt packages to Basilisk II (a Macintosh emulator)? Must try CiderPress.
EDIT: NOPE! MacTerminal still refuses to unpack from the .sit file. Also I like HFVExplorer more.
FIRST VIDEO: ua-cam.com/video/IhgbBfToELs/v-deo.html
Why isn't there a link for part one?
you can transfer a PNG of a cat to a mac directly
but transfering a PNG of a cat to a iiGs is more than a USB away
Where is the Link on the github?
Do a video on all the computers you have
I saw that portal mouse pad
Java? Good boy!
superblaubeere27 Java? Oh boy!
Nik Golinar Java is one of the best computer languages.
Yeah, but still it's quite weird 😂
Nik Golinar Oh, I know what you want. It is Assembler
Ari nobody hurt me. C++: Computer A: Ok, Computer B: Crashes. Java: Computet A: Ok Computer B: Ok
What I've learned from this video and part 1 is, Apple devices suck for compatibility.
0:34 Nice mousepad.
Did he ever release the code?
Why would you need a GUI? I'm guessing 90% of your viewers (including me) are programmers, so I don't think it's necessary.
Even programmers don’t wanna look at java
I have to been looking for an image to CSV converter not from a shady site
Oh the Newton does have a serial port? I think the closest on my Palm was IRDA, though... no, I do have an RS-232 dock for it.
LOL! This computer we all knew was great for artists and typesetting can't even open BMP? Ah... I know what it is: The tendency of operating system authors in those days to delegate the provision of anything useful to third-party providers, and to hate standardization wherever they could get away with it. I'm saying this as someone who lived through the era; Windows was just as bad. One of the greatest things about Linux for me was the file format support in all the free programs. As crude and confusing as MPlayer was, it was a thing of wonder when every video codec on Windows required software from a different provider.
Gimp was very good in file type support too, although it wasn't scriptable in those days. All I had for scripting image modifications was the the netpbm utilities with their confusingly irregular naming and options, or Image Magick which I didn't like for some reason. With netpbm, the image was processed through pipes and it could be tricky to find the right commands to display the finished result. Not Fun!
It wasn't too long before Python got the GD image library, but I was going through a weird phase where I wanted to do everything with Unix pipes. I got hold of Plan 9 From Bell Labs before too long which solved the problem by having a nice, regular and useful set of command-line image tools. Another nice thing about Plan 9 is that you can read images straight from the window system. I once scaled and cropped an image using the window system and an image viewer, then removed the border (4 pixels all round) and converted it to PNG with 2 little command-line tools.
And he never released that file.
Over a year later, still no dice.
For those of you that have files from retro computer (Apple II, C64, Atari, Amiga) there's a nice, free online photo viewer/converter: tomseditor.com/editor
At least it’s easy in dos
Call it GNUSHR
So not Software Development Kit...
Isnt saying gui interface redunfant
Nice video
yes
file converters be like
*CONVERT ANDROID APK TO IPHONE IOS IPA FILE FREE 2021*
hi
super hi-res"
320x200
16 colors
nes do better
(im 80% sure)
Haha ur nuts for doing all this but you deserve some cudos
First
Adam Mzaour actually it's the 2nd
why do you torture yourself like this?
Honestly the content here is very good but I’m sure you’d be doing far better with an adult narrating your vids. Don’t take this the wrong way. I’m sure one day you’ll agree/understand
You could've done almost all of this with glitchlab or chromalab by ilixia on Play. Literally everything except the final conversion and transfer, and with only two clicks.