Wow I came across this while looking for history of the area, such a good presentation, many of us forget to think of the trials that Christians went through and still go through in that part of world. Thankyou in Jesus name for a valuable reminder to remind ourselves we are all part of a bigger picture.
I’m convince an American Christian that no the covid vaccine IS NOT the mark of the beast. Are all Americans this insane? Maybe religious fundamentalism is making people mentally sick? Voltaire was right. And people keep taking scripture out of its context to the time and place it was written. John was writing a letter using common Jewish ways of communicating but which the Roman Empire couldn’t undo or understand. This presentation by Rob Bell makes sense. Thank goodness for sensible people like Rob. I’m glad I live in the U.K.
The second person with the historical approach to revelation. We cannot just approach revelation with a future mindset. Also present and past. That puts the puzzle pieces together.
@@joesteele3159 yes but inelegant people will look for consistencies and evidences of other Civilisations predating Christ, and the new world. And see what the religions were in depth and and explained, rather than short summaries. For example tablets from the stone age, etc. These saurces are reliable, some evidence cannot be messed with. If there is no evidence that is a worry, we found People of Khemit from over 4000 years ago. Human remains from 200000 years ago, forgive me for prefering to have knowledge than faith
Anybody who has a problem with Augustus, may read his speech to the soldiers before the Battle of Actium against Cleopatra and Antony in the history book by Senator Cassius Dio. Augustus was a man of honor, we have a whole month named after him
Very interesting video, but I would like to know what Rob Bell's sources were. Also, I think most critical scholars agree that the "beast" in Revelation is Nero, not Domitian. Did I misunderstand?
The beast is Rome. The beast has seven horns, and each horn represents a king. Revelation 17 says that 5 have fallen, 1 is, and 1 is not yet. The 1 who is,was Emperor Nero because he was the Emperor in power while John was writing Revelation. In Revelation 13, one of the heads receives a f*tal headwo*nd, which is healed, and everyone marvels after the beast (Rome) and worships the beast. Emperor Nero received the headw*und by su*cide in 68 ad. That year, Rome went into ch*os and almost destr*yed itself. Vaspasian came to power and promised peace. That was the wo*nd being healed. The 7th head that would last for a short time was known as the year of the 4 kings. Vaspasian was the last of the 4 kings. The 8th head that was like the 7th was Domitian because he proclaimed that he was lord and god. He forced people to light incense to him and say, "Ceasar is lord" in order to buy and sell. He gave them marks on their hands as an indication that they were compliant to the Roman government. If they were not, then they were persecuted. Now, there are still things that I do not understand. Revelation 13 says that the beast was given power to rule for 42 months. When you break that down, that is 1,260 years. The Roman government was only in power for 1,000 years. I also do not know who the false prophet is. Some say that it is Israel, but if a lot of these events take place after 70 ad, then Israel was already destroyed, plus they had no power to cause people to worship Rome.
Earthquakes a symbol of a change of order possibly? 5 earthquakes noted in Revelation. Five changes of order. The first three referring to fulfilled prophecy. The last two associated with the judgment and the destruction of the earth.
And millions of Christian people voted for Emperor Trump! Go figure? And that includes Stryper and many Christian rock bands and pastors, shame on you all!
I love how amill's forget about Nero and how to decode prophecy from Daniel 7. Gotta love the quote from Ethelbert Stauffer (May 8, 1902 in Friedelsheim - August 1, 1979), sounds like a good trusted source! What about the 3.5 years of persecution of christians under Nero? ! So Domitian is the beast now? how dare he root out corruption and end Neptunism ! sounds like a real bad guy to me ! there are worst places in the world today for Christians than what happened generally speaking across the empire in this guys reign. Domitian took the power away form the senate, you trust his political appointments to give you an honest and unbiased account? Sounds like Domitian borrowed from a certian letter that was released prior to keep hold of people if you ask me !
@@HellomuSic1296 I called him a goof because he presented ahistorical, decontextualized, mostly fictional story, through a corrupt lens. His presentation is childish, ignorant, and biased. So yeah. He’s a goof. And the best response you can come up with is a supernatural threat? My feelings are very hurt. I might even cry on my pillow later.
Bell demonstrates that context is crucial in understanding this confusing and decisive book. Wish Bell's books are footnoted and quotes sources!
Wow I came across this while looking for history of the area, such a good presentation, many of us forget to think of the trials that Christians went through and still go through in that part of world. Thankyou in Jesus name for a valuable reminder to remind ourselves we are all part of a bigger picture.
I’m convince an American Christian that no the covid vaccine IS NOT the mark of the beast. Are all Americans this insane? Maybe religious fundamentalism is making people mentally sick? Voltaire was right. And people keep taking scripture out of its context to the time and place it was written. John was writing a letter using common Jewish ways of communicating but which the Roman Empire couldn’t undo or understand. This presentation by Rob Bell makes sense. Thank goodness for sensible people like Rob. I’m glad I live in the U.K.
finally someone who reads
I would love to see the original sources for this.
Every one should see this.
2024 revelation is being set up .
The second person with the historical approach to revelation. We cannot just approach revelation with a future mindset. Also present and past. That puts the puzzle pieces together.
55:00 John never uses the name Domitian, but he uses the name Nero.
What are his sources for all of this Roman history and Roman customs/religion?
its called research and not Faith
Ceasar Messiah is a good source
@@fivegoalseason A person can research and still have faith. In fact, you still have to have faith in your sources that you research.
@@joesteele3159 yes but inelegant people will look for consistencies and evidences of other Civilisations predating Christ, and the new world.
And see what the religions were in depth and and explained, rather than short summaries.
For example tablets from the stone age, etc. These saurces are reliable, some evidence cannot be messed with.
If there is no evidence that is a worry, we found People of Khemit from over 4000 years ago.
Human remains from 200000 years ago, forgive me for prefering to have knowledge than faith
@@fivegoalseason So you think knowledge contradicts faith?
Ephesus was famous for its magnificent temple to the goddess Artemis (Diana), who was worshiped in Ephesus as a fertility goddess.
Anybody who has a problem with Augustus, may read his speech to the soldiers before the Battle of Actium against Cleopatra and Antony in the history book by Senator Cassius Dio. Augustus was a man of honor, we have a whole month named after him
Very interesting video, but I would like to know what Rob Bell's sources were. Also, I think most critical scholars agree that the "beast" in Revelation is Nero, not Domitian. Did I misunderstand?
The beast is Rome. The beast has seven horns, and each horn represents a king. Revelation 17 says that 5 have fallen, 1 is, and 1 is not yet. The 1 who is,was Emperor Nero because he was the Emperor in power while John was writing Revelation. In Revelation 13, one of the heads receives a f*tal headwo*nd, which is healed, and everyone marvels after the beast (Rome) and worships the beast. Emperor Nero received the headw*und by su*cide in 68 ad. That year, Rome went into ch*os and almost destr*yed itself. Vaspasian came to power and promised peace. That was the wo*nd being healed. The 7th head that would last for a short time was known as the year of the 4 kings. Vaspasian was the last of the 4 kings. The 8th head that was like the 7th was Domitian because he proclaimed that he was lord and god. He forced people to light incense to him and say, "Ceasar is lord" in order to buy and sell. He gave them marks on their hands as an indication that they were compliant to the Roman government. If they were not, then they were persecuted.
Now, there are still things that I do not understand. Revelation 13 says that the beast was given power to rule for 42 months. When you break that down, that is 1,260 years. The Roman government was only in power for 1,000 years.
I also do not know who the false prophet is. Some say that it is Israel, but if a lot of these events take place after 70 ad, then Israel was already destroyed, plus they had no power to cause people to worship Rome.
@saltandlight316 Thank you
Rev 17. 6th ruler is Nero. Hes current. Sorry we aren't in AD96. Irenaeus was wrong on AD96 and he was also wrong on the antichrist.
Earthquakes a symbol of a change of order possibly? 5 earthquakes noted in Revelation. Five changes of order. The first three referring to fulfilled prophecy. The last two associated with the judgment and the destruction of the earth.
I bet Trump would love Domitian ?
At least Trump is for good and not evil and perversion like Harris who is for baby killing and men in women's bathrooms .
There will be a final antichrist coming soon . the UN is setting the stage for it
And millions of Christian people voted for Emperor Trump! Go figure? And that includes Stryper and many Christian rock bands and pastors, shame on you all!
I love how amill's forget about Nero and how to decode prophecy from Daniel 7. Gotta love the quote from Ethelbert Stauffer (May 8, 1902 in Friedelsheim - August 1, 1979), sounds like a good trusted source! What about the 3.5 years of persecution of christians under Nero? ! So Domitian is the beast now? how dare he root out corruption and end Neptunism ! sounds like a real bad guy to me ! there are worst places in the world today for Christians than what happened generally speaking across the empire in this guys reign. Domitian took the power away form the senate, you trust his political appointments to give you an honest and unbiased account? Sounds like Domitian borrowed from a certian letter that was released prior to keep hold of people if you ask me !
Avoid this wolf.
what a goof.
You are rebuked in the name of Jesus christ.
@@HellomuSic1296 I called him a goof because he presented ahistorical, decontextualized, mostly fictional story, through a corrupt lens. His presentation is childish, ignorant, and biased.
So yeah. He’s a goof. And the best response you can come up with is a supernatural threat? My feelings are very hurt. I might even cry on my pillow later.