Endgame Meta Update: S23 Mid-Season Patch (HGL reserves, hoverboards, BnS nerf)
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- A lot of changes are out with the mid-season patch! Here are my thoughts on how they shake (or don't) up the PvE sandbox.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:24 New Weapons
15:21 Sparrows & Skimmers
17:13 Heavy Weapon Changes
20:52 Exotic Weapon Changes
22:31 Perk Changes
25:39 Spec Mod Changes
26:14 Ability Changes
29:33 Outro - Ігри
You could theoretically use the prophecy shotgun like a final round shotgun from d1 where you load and fire the last shot over and over because the origin trait boosts damage.
OG Found Verdict is back baby!
Two to the morgue for the win!
@@thatrikuguy true, never had the god roll so I stuck with verdict
@@carlosjosephgomez1495 did you play on box??
Letting everyone here know. Dragons Breath now holds 12 reserves. It got the reserve buff too
I was wondering why I was holding 9 rockets with no reserve mods. That's more ammo than I know what to do with
I heard it also got the damage buff. However I haven't been able to test this and second hand information.
For Judgement, one thing I am really interested about is how Headstone and Timed Payload will interact.
if Whisper of Fissure is equipped, my assumption is that if you get the kill with the headshot portion the following explosion might actually shatter the crystal straight away, and if that's the case it might actually be worth considering in some instances, as it'd just be a crazy beefed up dragonfly.
Interesting thought
I like the rocket changes. Having more ammo on certain archetypes is great.
Good way to buff without going back and forth with rocket damage values again. Having more ammo is a good side-grade.
Shout out to semiotician. I crafted one with field prep and bipod, and have now been vindicated by history
wild style was a huge letdown 😢
Yall sleeping on surrounded. it proccs in way more content than you think
@@hughjas7287 while true, looking at overall use throughout the game, which is more consistent? Frenzy or surrounded? Wilderflight has auto load frenzy allowing for easy use for a bait and switch setup against most bosses you'd use a double-fire gl on. meanwhile what bosses can you proc surrounded on? grasp of avarice bosses, prophecy bosses, ghosts of the deep (ecthar maybe), duality (the melee boss who gets melted with the lament), pit of heresy, shattered throne, planets encounter on ron, maybe templar in vault of glass, warlord's ruin is a surrounded meta until final stand on last boss, DSC doesn't really have a good encounter for surrounded and neither does taken king, maybe some of last wish. Surrounded would be amazing on wildstyle for those encounters, however...no reload perks, just envious assassin, which means if you do have to reload during dmg, that's immediately dmg loss. compared to wilderflight with its consistent auto/frenzy roll and its consistency across the entire game, safer than surrounded (which requires three enemies to be within melee range of you), and it's easier to get wilderflight, as you can try for it once a week, while waiting for the pinnacle farm week for it. meanwhile with wild style you have to wait for it to come back into rotation. the overall better ease of use choice for your average player who doesn't have custom loadouts for every encounter is wilderflight.
@@hughjas7287Plus, no auto-loading doesn't matter to Dawnblade cause Rain of Fire.
yeah no hood damage perks no auto loading it’s completely dog shit
We have been expecting you 😌
they did wild style dirty
Envious + incandescent sounds okay at least from the perk pool but no autoloading/slideshot is a miss
Still curious how SFA/OFA plays out on a double fire frame
Can't wait for the hoverboard dps meta
Really expecting someone to find a new sparrow/skimmer flying tech. So far though I am loving them though. We just need a tech for gaining height like sparrow flying and sparrows are completely dead which is crazy to say. I saw people saying that when the skimmers were announced and I thought "no way that happens, sparrows will still be the dominate choice after a few weeks" but they might have been right. Like I am just impressed.
I fully expected them to be kinda bad. I was thinking they would be cool but I was hoping it would be another vehicle to summon like you could summon either your skimmer or your sparrow without having to swap in a menu, and/or you could use the skimmer in places a sparrow cant be used, or being able to fire from them. But they are good enough movement wise I am not disappointed we cant do those other things.
Also Tusk of the Boar... I am so stoked but it will only be meta for like 3 months since they are nerfing chain reaction on special weapons.
Oh and Anarchy being back to where it was during beyond light is cool. I dont think it will be meta though just because exotic primary weapons are now so good its hard to justify but I am happy its back.
First impressions are skimmers are nowhere near replacing sparrows. The lack of destabilizers means that stuff like box breaks are much harder on them (pretty much have to syncbox or upbox, the latter is skimmer only. Skimmers cannot bbox unfortunately). The only things skimmers have over sparrows imo is being faster with the boost/dodge spam and upbox.
Also like you pointed out, they can't gain infinite height (without a wall or a quantum skimmer) and they can't infinitely travel horizontally, both of which sparrows can do via slipstreaming. If tech gets discovered, then sure, maybe they're worth considering, but imo they just feel awful compared to sparrows.
Maybe they're better for speedruning, but from the perspective of someone who has spent years learning sparrow tech, they basically took what makes sparrows fun, made it worse, then they ruined them by eliminating the skill ceiling. This is made worse by the fact that Bungie made a HUGE buff to slipstreaming by letting you double boost into a 6 set, where in the past you would have to spend a dodge per boost, meaning that you only get a 5 set with 1 boost, or a 4 set with two.
Pretty much all of my issues with them would just be fixed if they gave them destabilizers, but trait swapping (summon vehicle, switch equipped vehicle to make the summoned one inherit the traits) destabilizers on a skimmer literally does nothing, so I have little hope that that will change. Maybe tech gets discovered that fixes my issues with them (it IS only the first day, after all), but I don't have high hopes.
I'm glad that they're in the game for people who can't be bothered to learn sparrow tech, but I can't help but be upset that their first impression was godawful for the majority of the sparrow community, despite the fact that I 100% expected this to happen
@@SenrabMJam ah sorry I meant for most players they will be replacing sparrows. People who know sparrow tech of course aren't swapping, unless more tech is discovered. I play the game at a more intermediate level. I know some basic sparrow tech (like flying and can sometimes slipstream) but rarely use it.
@@x9x9x9x9x9 for most players that get it*, the skiimers seem cool but i bet there are a lot of players that are feeling very iffy on giving Bungie any money atm
got the PvE breakdown now im just waiting for Aztecross's pvp values breakdown lmao
waiting for cammycake
Don’t you mean Aztecross’ totally reliable PvE damage testing on Templar?!?! YAHHHHHHHHH!
I'm waiting for maven lmao.
lmao imagine thinking azetecross has any clue💀
Appreciate the video dude 👍 easy catch up for all of the changes
As far as the solar restoration fix goes, it at least messed with strongholds. Instead of strongholds giving restorationx2, now it only gives x1. They replied to someone confirming it is a bug.
Classic
stronghold has been bugged all season only giving 1x instead of 2x
Thanks for this video and the constant update on meta damage options and their shifts with changes
Just tried my cloudstrike/Cascade+ALH GL and its far better.
The GL used to run out of ammo on the 3rd rotation, now it runs out in the 5th which is enough for most content.
the heal clip buff feels GOOD
Could be wrong, but with such a small damage boost from spike, it is probably worth running mini frags or augmented drum, especially if running cascade pt.
Loadout swap Mini frags + Backup mag to Spike grenades + boss spec when it’s damage and get the best of both worlds if you can get Spike and Mini/augmented on the same roll.
@@warv6552 I forgot you could do that, that's a good idea
@@roundraccoon6141 Yea. And If you have an adept cataphract you don’t even need mini frags, adept mag alone gets you to 8 then when you proc envious you can get up to 24.
@@warv6552why wouldnt you just use koraxis though
Looking forward for the exciting builds 😌
Legit got a sudden death with barrel shroud/assault mag/envious/cascade/handling masterwork. That is my new tractor cannon friend
That's a good roll, but I think a trench barrel you can keep at the bottom 50% of the mag for bonus damage might be what I go for.
@@sylokthedefiled7650 Yeah trench barrel real solid. Only reason I didn’t hunt for it is because I’m sticking with imperial decree as my trench barrel shotgun
Skimmer's probably won't change speedrun tech, but they've certainly made similar options available to players that don't know techs. Best example of this I've found so far, Hypernet Current GM, you can use the skimmer to grind across the gap from the start of the sparrow section to the end, my group found this out because we hate that sparrow section, now we take that skip, push up to the third champion then send one person back to do the sparrow section. The taken blights despawn by the third champ but you need to do the sparrow section to trigger the game to realise we're far ahead so it's easier than potentially wiping at that section.
People already slipstream to do Hypernet skip but the skimmer certainly feels nice to use
I’ve been waiting for this video, finally aegis tell me what I think!
Can't wait to see the GL EL damage testing!
Heal clip is a sleeper perk. Yes, cure x2 is nice but it gives your allies cure x1 which lets you constantly proc benevolence off of them in higher tier content or content where you are playing stacked with your team.
It already gave x1 to your team no? The x2 was the change
HULLABALOO AND HOWDY DO, MUSTY PRAWNS AND TIMBUKTU.
im glad you are using d2foundry
Foundry is ballin
@@TheAegisRelic indeed it is!
I love your content, great stuff
The solar affinity on the new double fire does technically give it more damage than wilderflight if you use 3 surges, stack to 3 with envious and you technically get like 6% more damage, if you really want to optimize your damage it should be better but just so annoying to use
Yeah it's just that you have to pre stack and can't use something like Forb ahead of time
People who like using the solar titan ground/wave slam can get a wild style with surrounded for cleanup on majors/Champs. That seems like the only application I'd use it for over void alternative
Literally all wild style needed was auto loading because even then you would still edge out a damage perk like vorpal or frenzy on wilderflight through surge matching. Idk how they fumbled the bag with that weapon this bad.
I like that they're shaking up the meta a tad bit. I love my apex but I've been trying to push toward finding alternative optimal changes and additions are very much so welcome
Shoutout lightweight scouts fr
what’s your take on heavy gls atm? ive been using cata, wendigo, and koraxis and they all feel really good after the reserves buff, ironically the wave frame gl from neomuna was also chunking champions in master lost sectors. im trying to find out which would be best to use since im wanting to change up my general loadouts, kinda bored of using rockets lol.
Very good in non-raid content
Relentless not being able to get unrelenting is such a missed opportunity
Tusk of the boar with envious and chain reaction together with forbearance sounds nice! Shoot tusk, swap to forbearance, shoot twice swap back to tusk
nice video as normal bro keep it up ❤ do you think that izi, gl, apex rotation will still be the best one? just got it down with strand warlock so it being being the best any more would suck 😂
Yeah for fireteam damage probably
great update! time to finally get that god roll trials GL
Dbreath also got the ammo buff and can currently get 12 rockets.
I was wondering why I suddenly had 10 in reserves instead of 9, may need to run double Solar reserves to hold those two extra rockets
Don't the changes to major/boss specs basically make the adept big ones spec obsolete and give us even less reason to try obtaining adept weapons for pve?
Yeah kinda LOL
Heal clip is giga underrated imo best perk next to incandesant you can not die with this perk if u stay in the fight no matter which subclass you are on. Crota ar with incandescant and heal clip aswell as the sidearm from lost sector with those perks are giga strong and makes solo content or even harder content trivial
Before the change I usually got 3.7mil on Kell Echo with strand warlock, Witherhoard, necrotics and Cataphract with B&S. After the update I did the same damage with ammo left when kell echo died, so overall I think gl's are gonna be fine with these changes.
I forgot to say also Envious can still go past 15 with the cataphract so the bug is still there with envious just is inconstistant. I think highest Ive gotten the magazine was 17.
for low-health dps checks, Hullabaloo is actually really fun.
It flinches like MAD.
Phoenix dive gives 5s instead of 3s or resto, and red bars give 2s instead of 3s
This was so instant lmao
Danger zone and surrounded could be a play in certain situations on wildstyle
Was thinking the same about the Caster frame buff, more damage is nice i guess but the disc it shoots is so punishingly small for next to no upside. Been trying to make the new strand caster sword work even post-buff, and it just feels like a waste of a heavy slot (which sucks, because I REALLY love the idea behind Caster frames)
I look forward to the updated damage tests. Kinda hope rockets get dethroned in some instances to shake up what to bring. Seems to me a lot of people have been waiting for gl buff since wendigo came back
3 aegis vids within 2 days i mustve won the lottery or something
heavy ammo bricks also seem to be buffed now for HGL
Hi rushgarroth
@@masterzecke1263 Hi masterzecke1263
Yeah they're % based
Gonna have to take a look at spike nades on special GLs. Looking at my testing they got the same nerf as heavy GLs aka they got demolished
Ayaya
was genuinely pissed when i saw the wild style perks, wilderflight is annoying enough to farm and this was supposed to be the successor
Nice changes. Good to see Bungie putting some care into this game.
Cure feels incredible tbh
Wildstyle matching surges still makes it a better wilderflight replacement for damage with solar apex even without an activated damage perk
Yeah it's usable with Envious if you get 3 in the mag early on in a short rotation but it's still such a disappointment
@@TheAegisRelic Facts. I think Bungie knew how best in slot it would be and eased up on it
huge dub for the lost sector farming community
If they ever bring martyrs back then it's probably gonna get heal clip and incandescent.
wildstyle is the most frustrating thing ive experienced in destiny in a very very VERY long time
BEAST!
Havent played destiny in a bit, but any news on when theyre going to do the stasis changes ? I thought it would be in the mid season update
Next season I think?
Potentially another update in april from what folks are saying.
thoughts on the fact that surrounded now works on on the explosive damage of indebeted kindess?
Meh doesn't change much
@@TheAegisRelic fair enough, does still feel somewhat important as it's the only generic damage buff the weapon has access to
When you're testing HGLs, please try a cascade point rotation. You can reproc it instantly with two rapid sniper shots.
He knows :3
Wild Style is such a disappointment. I've been raving about farming it since the day they announced it.
Where 1 falls, 2 more rise; Tusk of the Boar and The Slammer will be insane.
2 Iron Banners left this season; Apr 2 and Apr 30
common bungie L
nice vid man! Thanks for the meta update
For anyone wondering with enhanced field prep bipod and 1 strand reserves you can now have 19 rockets on semiotician
Sheeshers
The real discussion is sparrow power creep
If u match surges with Wild style and apex, doesnt it do 22% more damage? Wilderflight with vorpal or frenzy is 15% so doesnt wild style do more damage? Also surrounded if procs is very good no?
Envious being the only multi use perk without manual reload is really bad in the energy slot
Thoughts on the vortex frame with bns?
Good for movement bad for damage
so you can skate with slammer, I wonder how far it goes compared to normal eager?
hoping it’s drastic for skating since you use a heavy swing
@@ListenToAJyou use a heavy swing with regular eager too though lol
It's heavy attack should go slightly further than one from an adaptive frame sword if I remember correctly, meaning wellskates should go slightly further
Adaptive gls still better than rapid fires for total dmg ?
Yep
Tusk of the Boar and The Slammer are both banger weapons. Sure they aren't going to be as good as their counterparts but I am stoked to have them and will be grinding both of them out. Unfortunately Tusk will probably only be "meta" for 3 months but still I am so stoked to have not just a strand wave frame but one with chain reaction.
get Tusk with Deconstruct, borderline infinite ammo
@@life-destiny1196 I will try and get one for sure. As a strand titan main (God I'm not looking forward to the nerf in final shape) a strand wave frame in general is going to be sick no matter the roll.
Do Incandescent ticks count towards Attrition Orbs? Darkest Before rolls that combo. Hmmmmmm
Not sure, try it out :P
I'm pretty sure it doesn't, I tried it with the seasonal pulse earlier in the season and couldn't get it to work
@@hugepog1726 bummer
Keep away on a special ammo GL? wtf were Bungie thinking with that
Help, my skimmer does not fly with control key even tho the skimmer's specifications says that
It should be whatever crouch is
Doesn't work with hold crouch for some reason
Wouldnt wild ride be better for rotations than wilderflight since it matches surges with apex? Also i believe collective action is 20% dmg buff if you can get like a firesprite?
Technically yes, but Wilderflight is so much more free it's hard to compare. Only get 3 shots with envious Wild Style and Collective Action lasts only 7 seconds on a pickup which you probably are out of position to grab. Maybe up to 12s with add'l pickups, still, Wilderflight gets 15% for completely free and ALH makes it go infinite w/ no setup kills required. If you have stuff to autoreload (Rain of Fire etc) then your dps will just be higher spamming rockets without rotating a GL at all, so that doesn't even help Wild Style.
@@EdenPorterMusic yeah good points ✌🏻 But i also think wild ride is easier to farm since GMs are easy and you get 1 every run and iv got 1 wilderflight from 30 spire runs. Rng but still pretty much easier to farm GMs imo.
Was thinking about it more, and to be fair to WS it fits into a Strand rotation decently i think. Say an envious roll in a rotation of Izanagi-Gl-Rocket-Ascent reload, it could look like RRARGI RGI RGI (gl empty now, but grapple recharged) RARGI R, which is about 20 seconds of damage I think. And matching solar does essentially give it a 22% dmg buff for free, which you could sprinkle Collective Action or whatever on for another bit of bonus. But 20 seconds is pretty lackluster, I would assume Wilderflight (or Empty Vessel, oft forgotten but its surge match makes up the difference between its frame and Wilderflight’s) will bring up the dps after that 20 seconds easily to surpass Wild Style.
If you're ever in a scenario where you can pre stack Envious without switching from something like Forb sure, but it's just such a disappointment compared to what it could've been
Heavy GL going hard this balance patch
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So all I want to know is if Cold Comfort is gutted with the Envious change and can only get 3 in the mag now rather than 4?
Yep! Only 3 + 1 for RR
yessssss hell yeah aegis
8:56 it does WHAT now???? 👀🤨
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I got so hyped for the new double fire but it was so ass😢
shouldn't wild style still be better than wilderflight to some extent as wilderflight only has access to a 15% damage buff but no affinity match whereas wild style being solar can benefit from 3 surges matched to the apex predator landing at 22% damage buff...? or am i missing something, aside from the fact of no auto loading
Yeah but it has no reload perk besides pre-procing Envious, but you can't run Forb to prime it then so it's annoying
20:55 dome of doom.
DOOM.
no good smg? do you dislike showrunner with overflow and kinetic tremors from season of the wish?
It's worse than Multi, we've talked about it on this channel before
Where can I view the weapon and perk tier lists?
Description drive folder
Wait…weapon swapping off four horsemen/slug (or pellet) kinetic shotty for the b&s sword isn’t hype? Is it the nerf?
Vortex frames suck for damage lol
@@TheAegisRelic vortex isn’t even worth exploring damage rotations with b&s, though? Just dismissing it altogether is crazy.
Yeah they're really bad, check the Surrounded values in the single tab on the sheet, that's a better perk than BnS and it still sucks
showrunner is a 900 rpm kinetic smg with overflow tremors...
We've already talked about it before on this channel, and I think Multi is just better
@@TheAegisRelicis it cus of the origin trait?
@@yyeoreumoverflow is trash and tremors isn’t optimal
New pacific epitaph is also a kinetic wave frame 🤨
Worse than this one :P
8:51 RARE AMERICANS MENTIONED WHAT THE FUCK IS A BAD SONG
I do find it slightly amusing that they nerfed the Impact damage on High-Impact Rocket Launchers.
Opinion on BnS vs Explosive Light on rockets?
BnS for sure
BaS will still be the go to choice
what was bungie cooking with wild style
Didn't get a Showrunner with overflow and kinetic tremors?
We've talked about it before on this channel and I think Multi is better
You cant even get more than double the mag with envious anymore, so you can even get 3 in the mag
Oh nvm that was only on hgl i think
Huh? You can get triple with reproc
@@TheAegisRelic oh yeah i forgot you could do that lol
Remember chain reaction is getting nerfed in final shape
Still going to be good unless it's completely gutted
At 6:30 you say it’s hitting 3 enemies that will trigger deconstruct, but you said the math is 50% of the mag rounded down + 2 enemies. 50% of 1 rounded down is 0, so it should only be 2 hits you need.
It's even better then! Hahaha
can skimmers slip?
Not yet!
Re: Multimach
You said there's no good comparison, but what about Showrunner? Drops overflow + KT
We've talked about it before on this channel, I think it's worse
@@TheAegisRelic that was forever ago. I barely remember what I had for breakfast today 😅
I wonder if anarchy is any better with this update?
Not really sadly
Well it has a lot more ammo
Bring back anarchy meta :((
Parasite can get 17 shots now 💀
Keep away on a GL is heinous 🙏😭