The Basic 911: The Jewel of Porsche’s Line up?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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One thing you’re never short of with 911, is variants. And in 992 we already have quite a few, with the Carrera S, 4S, Turbo, Turbo S, Cabriolet, Targa, Targa heritage… and now the new GT3… Well, you get the idea! And it’s a similar story in the configurator too: with sports Chrono, PASM, Rear Steer, ceramics and a whole host of options that you can’t do without or the car wouldn’t be good enough, right?
Enter the one that inevitably gets overlooked among these tempting choices, the base Carrera with low options. It’s the least powerful, interesting looking, it hurts our egos which make us want to jump to S at least… And on VS mode today it’s going up against a high specification Carrera 4S to show you the other end of the spectrum! So let the battle begin, to decide how good in reality is the entry level Carrera 911!
For some general 992 background, it was headed by former head of GT product Frank Walliser, it was the Same basic size as the 991, with a wider front track, staggered wheels for the first time, almost all of the body is aluminium, active aero on the front, the turbocharged flat-six engine has been reworked - position is the same, but it’s mounted further along the the middle of the car closer to the centre of gravity, while reducing vibrations, VTG mirrored turbochargers, there is a completely new 8-speed dual-clutch PDK!
I’ll also show you some of my favourite highlights like the flush door handles, the bonnet cuts from G model and 993, the light bar with the Porsche type inside it, and the secret 911 code on the rear grille!
Then when it comes to models, you’re inundated with options.
Carrera S gives us 444BHP, 530nm, and a 0-60 of 3.7 seconds. Get our 4S and that becomes 3.6 or faster.
Then you can have a cabriolet of either, same power but slightly slower. Same with the gorgeous Targa, best looking of the bunch perhaps. Can go totally wild with the Heritage edition!
Then the Turbo family. Standard turbo at 580PS, 2.7 seconds, Turbo S a maddening 650PS and 2.5 seconds. And finally, GT3. 510BHP, 4.0 natural engine, PDK or manual, no rear seats: and all the know how Weissach has!
With all that, it’s easy to forget our friend the Base Carrera: with only 380BHP.
So with a difference of 2k options vs 20k options, plus the power difference, how well with the basic 992 Carrera do?! Today we explore:
- Full 992 911 Line up, Carrera, C2S, C4S, Cabriolet, Targa, Turbos, and New GT3 /Touring
- The 992 platform
- Engine and gearbox
- 991 Easter eggs and technology
- Base Carrera VS S and 4S
- Low spec vs High spec 911
- Basic 911 interior vs High spec
- Full driving review Carrera 4S
- Full driving review 992 Carrera
- Conclusion
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GT3 up next on the channel. This damn video went live hours after it should have, damn UA-cam app bug. 🙈 Anyway, enjoy what could be the hidden jewel in the Porsche line up! 😈
carerra s is the best sports car for the money period
Waiting for the gt3 😊
I heard from a Porsche salesman there is always several customers he gets every year that gets a base model 911 with maybe only 1 or 2 options at most. He also admitted that no one who got that bare minimum 911 was ever disappointed with their purchase.
We purchased a bare bones Cayenne in 2011....total price $55k. Still have it today...148k miles.
I heard the same from a salesman and a service tech. The base is all you need.
Any Porsche is special in my view... If you are realistically having the debate of which Porsche to get, you're already fortunate. Great video, mate, thank you!
Lotus Emira over base 911 anyday
Except today because you can’t buy one.
Porsche Macan S. Last car. A 2019 .Porsche 356 first car 67. Was used 5 yrs old. Would still luv to have 356.
@@drdoomgoat38 Except it doesn’t exist just yet.
These are all junk compared to true works of ITALIAN art. The name is FERRARI and Porsche shits in its pants when it hears that name.
Guess that easter egg on the back also equals to 992 if you count the 9 on both sides.
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I’ve been saving my nickels and dimes for my retirement car, the basic rear wheel drive 911. I thought i was alone in appreciating the simplicity of it. Very glad to find your vid, well done.
Billy...me too. I can't decide on the 991.1 (NA) or the 991.2 or 992.
I have a 991.1 basic Carrera with no performance options. No pasm -20 mm , no sport Chrono, no PTV plus, small steel brakes, and standard exhaust. It's a car that a few years ago I would have immeditley written off. My m3 and Camaro 1LE had all kinds of similar equipment so they must be better. All the tech from those cars cannot overcome the fundemental better architecture of the 911. Even with no options it's so much more fun and rewarding to drive than basically any car I've ever driven. Even with an passive dampers and an open diff it gets better traction out of uneven tight hairpins than the m3 and Camaro 1le with their electronically locking diffs and magnetic ride control suspension.
Make a fundamentally good chassis and you don't need a lot of electronic wizardry. However, the wizardry is even better on such a chassis.
GT500, C8 Corvette, 911 S or Nissan GTR?
I'm thinking of getting a base model. Does it have heated seats & steering heating as standard?
@@Spartan69117 GT500 - High horsepower monster that handles well, heavy! Good Price.
C8 Corvette - Balanced, Good handling and second best acceleration also reasonably priced, not a looker.
911S - Perfectly balanced handling, good acceleration, best looking, MANUAL available! Expensive.
GTR - Capable all round performer, best acceleration, outdated, expensive.
I'd buy the Porsche if that much money was available...
@@drnamomar None of that stuff is standard. Nothing is standard on a 991.1. A new Hyundai has 3x the equipment of a base 991.1.
I’m just here to say the production quality of this video is amazing
0:42 -- I said out loud, "Wow, that's clean... it's pretty, I like it." All the faster models look more impressive, but this base spec looks great to me.
I got a base 2022 Carrera in aventurine green just a couple of weeks ago. I shopped around for quite a while, and I've been updating my configuration on the Porsche site for years now, so I knew what I was looking for. There simply weren't that many 2022 Carreras in the color and with the options I wanted anywhere in the entire U.S. - which is to say, none. I had wanted an S, but after watching multiple reviews of the S I decided to allow for a base 911. As it turned out I found one which matched very closely the specs I had in mind, so rather than wait upwards of two years for an allotment I pulled the trigger, and I'm very happy I did. This car is sublime! I think the biggest issue for anyone trying to decide between a base model and an S should be the transmission choice. Fortunately I wanted a PDK, so it worked out great for me.
I'm looking for a similar setup. In this video, he mentions 88k, but on the website, it looks like they start at 106k. Have they really jumped that much in 1 year?
@@seekuncertainty He said 80 pounds. The car price did go up from about 102k to 106k for the "standard" Carerra.
@@seekuncertainty Yes, and you'd be lucky to pay just $106K right now. Even in the best of times Porsche is known for their many options, some quite expensive. If you aren't willing to wait for a zero-option Porsche on order, you'd be very hard pressed to find one on a dealer lot with no options.
I think the closest one I ran across in my search was Hennessy in Georgia which had a base 911 with only two options: the smoking package which is around $120, and the PDLS (dynamic lighting) which is about $2K.
@@seekuncertainty Im in the market for one soon and now they're 114k :(
I'm really happy with my base 992 C2. I never felt the need to buy to a higher model after test driving the 4S before I ordered mine.
@J1420 0545 don’t be a hater, it’s a Porsche at the end of the day dummy
@@realtalk7571 exactly. A base 992 is better than 95% of the similar price garbage out there,
I would get the 20 inch wheel and glass roof, that is. None of these other fancy options.
I have a base Carrera 991.1 and absolutely love it .. the sensation of that naturally aspirated roar, it just never gets old!
I love the plate, "A 911" and not much else.
They're pretty bland for a sports car.
@@splint3048 how lol
@@splint3048 Bland. One of the great sports cars of all time … bland?
Why did I click on this video before bed, now I am all pumped up and can't sleep.
Patrick please go to bed you have reservations at Dorsia tomorrow
I'm not usually a fan of white but it looks so tidy and shows off the classic 911 lines so well.
I like its timeless looks, simplicity of style and function
Your editing skills mate
You must've done a PHD in that stuff
Looks like Hollywood CGI level stuff
it's utterly annoying
@@slaykay47 how lol
I really can't wait to cash in my AMC shares and get the Targa. It's the one frivolous purchase I intend to make. I've driven classic VW beetles for 20 years, and I wanna treat myself to being able to drive faster than 60mph
@M0 BlackH2O movie theaters
AMC to the moon!
I mean if you just wanna go above 60 mph you could get a 15 year old Corolla for 4 grand.
@@CockatooDude ah yes, the Corolla.. also known as every middle-aged man's way of telling the world he gave up on life.
@@shawnm3839 But... it does go faster than 60.
I always wondered how a base 911 w/o any performance option performs Interesting content
When someone says "Surprisingly affordable starting at about 120k". I almost spit my coffee up.
They won't be paying that amount for a car tho anyway. Most of these are on lease options and they probably have a good relationship with the lender so it isn't too much out of pocket for them
So I just got a 981 Boxster S for the difference in price between the base 992 and 4S! And it’s as fast as the base 992 as it weighs considerably less. I’ve owned a Miata, MR2 and learned to drive in a base 911 looong ago. I’ll take a mid-engined car any day, all day, especially when it’s a Porsche!
@@williammorris3334 those are nice looking
Really nice videos Raz! I usually tend to spec my cars with all options available because I fear to miss out on anything. But a Carrera with all boxes ticked would exceed my budget. You now planted this idea in my head that a base Carrera with no options could be puristic alternative. I’m actually considering it. 😊
I remember when the 930 Turbo was around 4.2 sec.......that base Carrera with hounds tooth is incredible.
I would love one even over the S or 4S......with a manual.
Raz - Thank you so much for posting such genuine content. I hate when car reviewers on UA-cam - such as carwow and Throttle House - show a bias towards one brand and illogical prejudice over others. Video like this one debunks the ever-present dilemma that people have when they are about to buy a sports car, and more often than not, get talked into buying expensive variants by dealerships. You have clearly put it out that one can really stick with a base 911 Carrera without going the route of unintentionally shelling out extra 36k pounds and getting the Carrera 4S. Thank you for the community service through this video.
This actually seems like a great theme for future videos as well wherein you pick a good sports car and share your thoughts on exactly which variant(s) and options are good value. Because, really, there is no other way for many people (including myself) to know it otherwise. Let me give you an example, I live in America and was in the market for my first ever sports car about 3 year ago. I shortlisted Mustang, after eliminating Dodge Challenger and Chevy Camaro. I ended up buying the eco-boost variant (4 cyl turbo) and not the V8. This is because it felt like a clever way of owning a popular sports car without having to pay premium price that the V8 variant demanded. Furthermore, the horsepower eco-boost motor delivers seemed enough already that even thinking about the need for a V8 seemed like going over the board. I was extremely joyful for about 1-1.5 years until I realized the eco-boost motor has no emotion, character, or soul; and that's when I realized I made a big mistake. Although I was happy with the power and the ride quality, the lack of sound, emotion, rev-matching, etc. made me regret my decision almost every day. Knowing the V8 variant had all the goods I was actually looking for made me just want to go back in time and alter my decision, and hence, I started looking for time machine rentals :D. This kind of video prevents the need to look for a time machine by providing much-needed reliable information about variants and options upfront to potential buyers.
I bought the base 2022 911 versus the S and don’t regret it at all. A truly awesome car that I enjoy as much or more than my Macan Turbo or Cayenne Turbo. I invested my savings versus the S and made 200K trading Options. Thanks RBR !!!
this kind of reminds me of a conversation I had with a guy one time and he said by the best bass model car you can afford because the inherent goodness of the car it’s not necessarily when it’s completely optioned out but in the platform itself.
I'm a huge fan of these more "pure" trimmed cars. Not everything about a car should be measured by HP or 0-60!
Certainly the best daily driver. Love mine. My buddy with his “S” felt like he couldn’t leave his driveway without a ticket. Had plenty of options inside, PDK, GPS etc.
Thank you for doing up the video of the 992 Base model. A lot of videos are done on the higher variants and only a handful talks about the base model. IMO, your is the best I have seen so far explaining why the 992 Base is so worth looking at.
I think the base Carrera looks awesome. Probably fun to drive because you can let it all hang out. I've had a black on black turbo s new since 2018.
Absolutely perfect video. No reason for most people who want a 911 to buy more than the base model, spec'd the way they want it!
That contrasting stitching in the base model is classy.
15:40 yeah the base 911 without the sports exhaust sounds very good IMO. I would probably not get the sports exhaust and save my money for some after-market options if I really felt the need
Nice review, possible to do a 992 TURBO non s vs TURBO s?
Yeah they are like 30k base difference, I wonder why
Would call this the Simple version rather than a base version
Looks stunning, head turning and neck cracking
Standard version sounds better.
Great review! And yeah, since it is the base model, you bet every square cm of the car was absolutely agonized over, and likely much more so than the variants. And I added the 992nd like! :)
About 12 minutes in before you get to the base model......I guess the setup is valuable but @ $40k price diff, I really wasn't gonna get an S, so I wanted to hear about the base. Having been mildly critical in that regard, I love your perspective, opinions and review. I am now a new subscriber.
I believe any porsche straight 6 will give you that Porsche experience. A lot of people look at this base model like Porsche didn’t do anything to it. In fact it’s the opposite, it’s perfectly engineered for a daily driver.
porsche doesn't make a straight 6 - never has
Porsche just like any brand have milked their cars to an unrivalled variant catalogue. The standard Carrera is all you need with room for some really nice options. The S is maybe nicer for the bigger brakes and the manual stick but I don't get the GTS at all when its mostly a typical sporty cosmetic setup for people to feel as though it's a GT3 lite lol.
The similarity of titles from all my favourite UA-camrs about this vehicle (“best value in the lineup”, “jewel in the crown” etc) makes me wonder if the Porsche press briefings have come with some very clear themes and instructions for those getting first access.
Front axle lift is not necessary in the base version right? Ground clearance is more on a base version right?
Base 911 after Litchfield visit is the hidden gem of the 911 line up. The daily GT3 for the street.
Outstanding comparison review. Truly epic, thankyou for all the effort you put in making it.
Great Review Raz, very educational & helpful, for people who might be new to the brand & are considering the 911 as first time buyers - perhaps you could do a review for these folks & cover stuff like options that would enhance the 911 experience? Such as the lift kit, sport chrono & sports exhaust, also since this is the most popular model & very unlikely to depreciate after a year depending where you (South Africa) I would assume that after 2 years these cars would be a lot more affordable & in greater demand? Just some of the things i guess prospective & future 911 owners who like to know? Thanks 👍🏼
Prek…..Maybe I can help.
I spent almost 3 years waiting for an allocation for a 911.
When it finally came through, I had my choice between a C4S or a C2.
I chose to get a C2 and option it with a few thousand difference…..mainly for about 60 more hp and a few tenth’s of a second to 60…..not exactly a live or death situation.
And if it’s an ego thing to have an “s” behind Carrera, I already feel sorry for you.
I had plenty of time to go over the configurator……many, many time.
I probably fine tuned the build a minimum of 30 times…..but the 911 I took delivery of last month was more than worth it !
Here are a few options for a base 911 that I believe you should consider.
( first of all, there is no lift option…and it’s not needed )
Color and interior are very personal…..so I won’t spend time here…only to say I got an Agate Grey with Beige interior….and it’s stunning.
Ok….options : Sports Chrono…..from your steering wheel you can choose 5 different drive settings, including an “Individual” mode that you can customize different settings just for you.
Before I forget….it may sound insignificant, but there are many owners that missed a relatively inexpensive option they really regret……the extended range fuel tank ! You go from about 16 gallons to 23…..really nice on any road trip.
Prek continued : Sport Exhaust…..the option to give it a bit more glorious sound….even if you don’t have “580 hp”.
Adaptive Cruise Control. If you get in traffic, you’ll be thankful you got it.
The seats are another area you’ll get a lot of different opinions. If you can go to the dealer and check out the multitude of options.
I have 18 way in my Macan…..very nice…..but really wrap around you with the bolsters. Probably not for a generous size……Butt !
I got the 14 way in the 911. They’re VERY comfortable….and so are some of the less expensive options….but here’s the deal….only the 14 and 18 ways have an extended thigh support….and THAT is really a nice comfort option.
I did get the GT Sport steering wheel in leather….it’s nice, but not as critical as some of the above.
I also got the light-weight, noise insulated glass. Not sure this is necessary.
I’d driven an older 2016 or so “S” model that was absolutely obnoxiously loud….road noise. I was concerned. But as it turned out, I think it was a freak and this option was probably not necessary.
I did do custom yellow seat belts and a yellow tach ring….looks great !
I did a partial clear wrap that was a dealer condition upon delivery.
It’s a very wise choice even without it being a condition…..and a bit expensive.
But it’s protecting a very valuable investment.
There may be a few more….but these are some you should really consider.
And make the car “yours” with a few options you just might like “just because.”
You’re going to pay for it…..but you won’t regret it for a moment.
This BASE 911 absolutely blew me away……there is nothing else like it in the world.
Period !
The fact is that you are doing pretty damn good if you can afford any Porsche 911. Great video!!
Having one of those porsche, is already very satisfying 😎
Actualy if you count twin lines there are also 9 pairs, i observed this after you pointed out the grill lol,thanks for the great reviews keep up the good work mate!
I still preferred the 991, until I saw the 992 GT3 touring. That is the pick of Porsches for mine.
Yea, and it’s the price of a 458.
Well done 👍
You’re reviewing is at another level👏👏
Thank you!
Great review Raz. Been watching your videos for a while now. Now I understand how cool the basic 911is. You have a unique style. I also appreciated the 2021 Mercedes 53 amg review.
Jeff
I agree Raz it's all about the base
No treble...😎
Nice review.👍In most cases, the Base 911 model is more than one can chew unless you are going on the race track. Most people who generally criticize everything about the Base 911 Carrera can't even afford one.
Moral of the video: Just pick any 911 on any day of the week and you are guaranteed to have fun.
Man the basic looks so clean, especially from the back...
12:36 those were my EXACT thoughts (in relation to singer) when i first saw it !
How is this channel not over 2ml subs? It will be!
Love the new GT3
Up next on the channel! 😈
@@RemoveBeforeRace I prefer GT3 Touring
I have a Turbo. I understand when people say less power is better sometimes. The turbos and above are sooooo fast that it's almost unusable anywhere but the track. Push the pedal down and you're immediately breaking the law whatever road you're on. Porsche Turbos feel like rockets when they spool.
*Almost too much power 😂😂😂
I'm German/American. I owned several 911s when I lived in Germany, they were everywhere, and a dime a dozen. Until you needed repairs or parts! I now own a Lexus LC 500 touring, naturally aspirated V8 coupe. Better design, better built, better materials, and cheaper to maintain and repair!
my config for the S model came to 142k and the base came to 125k both with Aero Kit. Not sure which way to go.
Depreciation on a base probably the key factor in not choosing a base
The base C2 is so fast now you almost don't need the S unless you really need the bigger brakes
Just visited the Porsche configurator and managed to keep it as simple as a 911 T with a few options. $120k US
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The basic 911 is more car than what most people need. Fabulous car, especially if you want to drive all day and do nothing but drive.
Raz I see how you get all the vehicles in the exact same position.. those pavers on the side you line the front wheels up with them dontcha..😏
I have a 911S and am a demanding driver and racer on and weekends but would have to say the very big diff between the 911S and the regular 911 is worth the considerable money to get it especially on resale the 911S commands strong resale values. But the something like 75 hp. diff. between them seems a lot more in real life driving. The 911S is extraordinary fast with really effortless acceleration and low speed torque excellent.
a steady wing at back enhances the look enormous..
Love the review! The lack of a limited slip diff is noticeable on the base? I have been debating between a 4S, S in pdk for ages now. One note is that pdk programming on the base seem quite different than on the S or 4S...
It is a very much present difference.
The lines on the back can also say 992 (2x9 smaller and 1x2 breaking light)
Couldn't agree more. I have a 2016 991.1 base model Carrera that is more optioned than this one, but still a "base" Carrera. It has plenty of power. Can't really see how you need more. Never had a moment's trouble with it. Would recommend to anyone.
Got my 911 C2 on order £97,052
Dolomite Silver Metallic
Black Leather
Aerokit
Folding Mirrors
‘PORSCHE’ side logo in black
Model designation delete
Sport Chrono Package
Sport Exhaust System (black)
Power Steering Plus
20 / 21-inch Carrera Classic wheels
Exclusive Design Taillights
Privacy Glass
4-way electric Sports Plus seats
GT sports steering wheel in leather
you "had" a 911 992 Turbo S....when did you get rid of it and why?? another great vid. just makes me want a 992 more
Props to your camera team.
Having in mine all the restriction on the road we have, as daily I'll save my 40 k for the S and take the Base one. Don't even need the chrono - I'll tick only the sport exhaust (more a matter of look then the sound) and upgrade the sound to Bose... S worth only because the manual...
Great vid. Most of those extras not needed are they. Everything that makes the car fun to drive is in the basic car.
Your voice hard to hear in car. Do you have a lapel mic?
There’s a lot of jewels in their lineup. Nice video!
The 911 is such a beautiful car. I'd sign for a "basic" Carrera.
I saw one in a used car dealer today and come here to see what’s wrong with one apart from having one child sit on the roof
Well put and well said sir! I'm still ordering my GTS however, but will trade in my 2021 992 c2s for it.
I remember touring Burbank Studios in 1975. Johnny Carson's Ferrari was in the parking lot. The license plate read................."Tangle".
It's a NO brainier why would spend another 40k unless you have money to burn !!! As a daily driver it has everything that you need ; comfort,it's quick, enjoyable, & puts a smile on your face. What's not to like !!!!!!
The analogue speedo looks great unlike the new cartoonish cars.
Basic 911 would still be my dream car.
I'd love to see you do the T vs the GTS in manual.
Can't get a base 911 in the USA for $84k. And then add in dealer markups right now you are probably looking at $120k- $130k for a base car.
I think if u add manual option, exhaust and some cosmetic cheaper options , its a decent deal for the price
I had a 997 years ago and then went to a 981 S. What a car the S is but I’m now hankering after a 992. Which one though! 🤔. Great video 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Perfect timing :) It's practically impossible to walk in to your local Porsche dealer and drive these cars back to back due to lack of inventory.
Only downside is that you can't get the base Carrera with a manual transmission :( But i guess thats where the Carrera T will step in ?
Probably so. I think that’s actually what Porsche is planning. Will be really cool if they release a Carrera T with this power plant but a manual and all the ‘T’ treatment!
Likely bet!
@@307skylake7 Im hoping for Porsche to put the 4.0 naturally aspirated engine from the 718 in the Carrera T, would make perfect sense in terms of power output, in a sense an actual baby GT3 touring.
@@AOTanoos22 Completely agree, that would be awesome. Makes sense in the lineup power wise and fits the T ethos of a drivers car.
Agreed base model is the one for road use, shame a manual isn't available, cant understand that decision by Porsche
Your editing is really good. Great video. 🎉
Front plate is diabolical
Thank you! I was looking for exactly the same comparizon !!!
This is a great way to review Porsches.
Great review, my first Porsche was the 1966 911, it was awesome. Not compared today's car. Thanks.
I wish that there was still narrow body on the Carrera and Carrera S
I'd have the base, with glass sunroof and sport exhaust. Probably 10k extra.
For me GT silver Base, glass roof and 20 incher. That’s it.
More interesting test would've been base 718 Cayman vs up-spec'd 992 S. Both rear drive, even bigger gap between price.
What would u consider a better investment? A base 992 or a 991.1 GTS- being one of the last (non gt3) NA 911s…thinking for the better price perhaps the 991.1 would hold value and be more fun to drive- however the 992 looks tempting indeed.
I think the tickets would be to find a CPO Carrera 4 PDK and put a 450-hp tune on it the minute it’s out of warranty.
Sports Chrono for sure along with the better seats and glass sunroof. I would skip the sports exhaust (doesn’t add hp) and have the tune delete the snap/crackle and auto stop. Tuners offer a PDK tweak as well.
Basic is pure and most nice
a base 911 with sport chrono does o-60 in 3.6 alot faster than previous CARRERA S