yah at least there some stuff you see along the way in the fetch quests its like they did the fetch shit on purpose and added stuff to make it bearable
I took the extrovert trait and I regretted it within the hour. They really need to make the traits reset for NG+. It makes no sense that they don’t, even if you only look at it from a story standpoint. 😑
@@AretaicGames every npc in fallout 4 was as annoying as well lol I have no idea how Bethesda lost so much writing talent in a relatively short amount of time
The first 3 encounters I had with "The Hunter" I shot him until he went into the classic essential npc crawl. The villian, I beat. Unkillable. Just crawling around. The bad guy. I wasn't allowed to kill him.
That was a bad moment for me. Andrea had just been killed, the story finally had a moment with some feeling. Then it looked like it was giving me a chance at revenge. I used up a cocktail of chems and rushed in for a boss fight before noticing my quest objective was 'run away'. Super disappointing when I realized the bad guy was immortal.
A similar moment for me is the UC SysDef/Crimson Fleet mission. I guess I pissed off Ikande at some point, he became hostile and tried to arrest me. I was like "fine, I'll side with the Crimson Fleet and kill all these mofos". But not only Ikande, but most of the NPCs on the UC Vigilance was unkillable. WTF? None of these NPCs relates to the main quest, there's no reason to make them unkillable.
Bethesda's trend of railroading the player started during Oblivion. Now they only care about having big set pieces and will railroad the player into making sure they see the story Emil chose for them.
That would have been far too predictable and cliché. There’s plenty of alien life forms anyway they’re just not intelligent. It’s also only set in one galaxy. I imagine the next one in like 15 years will be about first contact in Andromeda.
@@purgatorialuk "That would have been far too predictable and cliche" Yeah, because if there's two things that Bethesda is known for, it's originality and subversion of expectations.
@@BoleDaPolestop huffing copium, she looks like slightly melted plastic The npcs overall scare me because of how rooted they are at the bottom rim of the uncanny valley
@@BoleDaPolelike for real Skyrim and Fallout 4/76 have okay looking npcs, why did they make them look so god awful I blame you KrolKaz, simply because you defended one npc I blame you for all of them Kick rocks KrolKaz
Absolutely incredible that Bethesda somehow decided that the best way to end their game was to do the exact same ending no man’s sky was ridiculed for a decade earlier
At least NMS has evolved and the ending and the lore behind it as expanded and it’s much more interesting once you get into the meatier parts, like Telamon and Atlantid… Unfortunately Bethesda copied the fat that NMS trimmed out lmao
@@dorkydragon5055it’d be more correct, and more relevant, to point out its just the directors who don’t. Programming and Modeling are some of the most prolific industries in the world right now, and you don’t pick game design, notorious for its difficulty for how much you’re paid, by accident. Most of the dudes responsible for making these games really like games, they just aren’t actually in charge of their design. They carry out orders from above, and the game ends up as it does because someone who really doesn’t care is calling the shots for someone who doesn’t even really understand games in the first place. In that context, it’s kind of a miracle the games like these ever come out at all.
@@Fresch_K What fantastic RPG's? The last fantastic RPG I remember playing was Baldur's Gate 3, Kingdom Come Deliverance before that, Yakuza 0 before that, The Witcher 3 before that, Fallout New Vegas before that, Dragon Age Origins before that, Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines before that, Deus Ex before that, Chrono Trigger before that, didn't game much before that. Kingdom Come Deliverance was particularly awesome as it felt like the events in that could have actually happened, New Vegas had the best freedom of personal agency and excellent writing, Witcher 3 aged like a fine wine, Bloodlines had an amazing setting and writing, Dragon Age had a very fleshed-out world, etc. I haven't kept up with modern games much but Spider-Man 2 was AWFUL and the new God of War wasn't much better. To be frank, other than Baldur's Gate 3 giving me some hope for the future of gaming nothing else really has as that game has as much attention to detail as you can possibly fit into one title and was clearly a labor of love. But for as good as Baldur's Gate 3 was Spider-Man 2 was so fucking terrible that it even made the first game on the PS4 look decent and the amount of padding and cutscenes in it made it feel like TLOU with superhero's and God of War Ragnarok was even worse, they both were so bad that I couldn't even bring myself to finish them and this is coming from a person who thinks that God of War 1 and 2 are masterpieces that were way ahead of their time on release.
You got to be careful though. It could turn your kid into one of those single celled organisms that unironically enjoy games like Anthem, Conan Exiles, FO76 etc.
Not only this: Starfield is one of the worst game ever. I mean, it took eight years to renam Death Claws into Terror Morphs and Dragonborn into Starborn? It's all so boring, even the "villains" of the Crimson Fleet. An organization whose sole motivation - for decades - has been to steal a bag of gold? Who wrote that? A twelve year old boy? When I watch Cyberpunk, every single dialogue with Johnny Silverhand is more badass and deeper than anything Starfield has to offer. And then the logic holes, for example the Hearts of Mars "quest": Adventurers have been disappearing in search of the item for decades. Turns out it's three hundred meters away, in an absolutely empty cave. Bethesda clearly didn't want to make any effort.
Another problem is the lack of staging. Saw a video yesterday where someone showed the scene on Neon where I'm traveling with Stroud to buy the artifact from a gangster. This was compared to the scene from Cyberpunk where I go to Maelstrom with Jacky to get the Flathead. It seems like a Christian Bale film versus puppet theater. The worst thing is that it makes no difference which dialogue option I choose. Bethesda's so-called quest always ends the same. What did they do for eight years? Coffee cups and trash scattered around rooms?
"Holy crap, you touched the macguffin rock and had generic space hallucinations? That means you're the hero. Take my ship, take my robot, take my wallet, fuck my wife, just take anything you need. You're the hero and I 100% trust you without hesitation. Go have fun saving the galaxy!" Possibly the least compelling opening action I have ever seen in a story.
Yeah the cancerous spoiler content creators for BG3 and cyberpunk are entirely absent. You are right, there is basically no market for the stor of this game and its the truest way of telling that its terrible.
Huh. you know that is a pretty smart way to gauge how interested the audience really was about the story: people would only post spoilers on YT if they would get any views. This game doesn't even interest its fans
@@Kintabl Are you sure about that? Every planet in the solar system is very interesting and it's pride to assume it's not that way in other places. The Pluto flyby (yeah I know NDT declared it's not a planet) revealed a lot of new information and it's a much more complex/interesting place then astronomers had thought. The James Webb telescope just moved back the age of the universe x3. Maybe you're just boring?
I just can't believe the utter unmitigated laziness and gall of just using the exact same Magic powers as Skyrim but calling you _Starborn_ this time. Like, wow guys. Such effort. Must have taken years of meticulous world building to come up with that... I mean, Dragonborn wasn't even their idea to begin with. Writers who've long since left coined the term. And all Bethesda did was go "just use that line of code again and call it starborn this time." Some of the powers are literally the same. The exact same. Maybe even the same Spell IDs. I am just, utterly bewildered. The laziness. It's astonishing.
Sorry you had to find out this way but, all hes ever done is take other peoples ideas and hammer all the fun out of them. Everytime he releases a main title, its less game and more experience. He takes out anything inconvenient for him and replaces it. With a generic mechanic from whatever is currently popular. And everytime the new batch of morons heralds it as the best game ever. And the guys who played the last one don't like it as much. There has only been two Elderscrolls and two Fallouts. Todd Howard pooped on them, called it art, and the public worships him for it!
Emil Pagliarulo is a talentless hack who only has his job thanks to nepotism. As their head writer, he is the reason why Bethesda's stories and quest design are so terrible.
How does a person's friendship have anything to do with the quality of a story. Especially if the head writer didn't actually write the story, but had to oversee all the writers under them to make sure the story fits together... Of course nepotism COULD be a negative indicator of talent
@@RaifSeverence in on itself it doesn't. however, if it is your only qualification, instead of let's say being good at creating interesting narratives and designing quests, it becomes a problems. also let's be real, titles are hollow. he may only be credited as head writer, but if you actually think that's all he did, you aren't really familiar with the industry.
It hurts even more playing the new 2.0 for Cyberpunk. Which is amazing btw, all the skill trees were overhauled and are completely unique. There are like 30 different builds you can do its crazy. And then you have star field.... The newer game being outclassed by an expansion.
There was a point when I had done about half the temples and went : "Why is there no long rang communication in this universe? Why cant Vlad just call me and give me the fucking coordinates and why to I have to go through 4 loading screens to go to the lodge?". I finished Starfield and went back to play Cyberpunk 2.0 and holy shit the game is way smaller but the devs understand how useful a cellphone is.
They actually do explain this, even if it’s a bit annoying. Basically, Grav Drives are the only way to bend space, allowing “faster than light travel,” but that only works on matter, not energy, as the Grav Drive has to be attached to a physical object.
@@MrBorisio Well, they do make a big announcements about courier and hauling services in the game even though they failed to put up a single postal office in there. There are countless of references of hauling those notes en masse.
After Barrett just handed me, a stranger his ship and it was cutscene after cutscene for everything from getting in the ship, taking off, flying to a planet...I returned the game for a refund with only 98minutes played.
I looked at my girlfriend and said, 'I would be pissed off if I paid full price for this game.' No way I ever buy it for more than $20. I played it on Gamepass for $10 and still won't bother to finish it.
I actually purchased NMS right after this moment. It was in my wishlist for a long time, but I wasn't sure if it's worth it. Turns out it's definitely much better than Starfield.
So first 4 of the constellation members are available to be companions so since its a game, they have to be in a set spot for you to be able to recruit them. Second off, two other non compsnion memebers of constellations make direct refrence to going after artifactd, andreha and matteo, and to add onto that eklund shroud, you and him both go after one of the srtfiactd on neon. To add upon my mutliple reasons, barret goes to vectera to collect the artifat that he went out searching for. To further add upon reasson, in dialouge, sarah makes refrence to her being a member of uc navigator corp, a exploree group, she explains how she disliked tge group as they only liked discoverys that woyld make good news for ssnn. Since she did exploreing in the yc navigotr corp one may besble to infer that she did some exploring in constellation
Because they are the most self-aware Bethesda NPCs ever created. They know they are NPCs, they know that they have no actual agency or ability to affect change in their world. Their lot in life is wait for the player to show up and do everything for them.
@@LANDR3ZZY I like how this comment made you so upset, you typed out a paragraph, riddled with misspellings, just to suck off Bethesda, and make excuses for their bad storytelling and gameplay
@alberquiky1 why do you like it? Because you like seeing people with different opinions frustrated? Good for you, man. My guess is that if you sided with Hamas, you'd be hating anyone who gave Israel support. Or vice-versa.
because bethesda knows that a large majority of their casual player base cant even think on their own terms and they will consume what ever garbage is put in front of them so they make a terrible game that means nothing and still make millions off it
Bethesda keeps inching closer and closer to just making their games AI generated. Elder scrolls 6 is gonna be procedurally generated with quests being written by AI. Watch
@@buschinpolen because the ai will steal from actually good writers Imagine that half the game is just boot leg "lord of the rings" and "game of thrones/song of ice and fire" Because thoes are 2 of the most popular fantasy stories and the ai just steals from it It would be funny
I just love how during the main quest you got to a SCIENCE facility that is researching an artifact and it's causing pockets of universal divergence into two separate realities, and everyone is concerned that you stop the experiment before it gets out of hand............ and then once they do that they go "opp guess that's over. Here absolute stranger take the thing that can warp space and time, we'd have absolutely no interest in this now and wouldn't be worried about turning it over to anyone".
Well yeah you're the main character. The story couldn't happen without you. If you don't go help Preston Garvey is going to be trapped in that building FOREVER. If you just stayed in your cell like you should have everyone in Kvatch would have lived.
@@Drak976doylist answer to watsoniant complaint. It doesn't matter that you're the main character, the fact that others act so brain dead ruins the immersion.
I never expected great main story from Bethesda.... but side quests are also mostly dull, lame, uncreative (a few exceptions). Companions, NPCs in general, enemies, factions, locations... all generic, boring, uncreative, empty... space cowboys ffs. Like it was written by AI... for AI...
In the very beginning, when you are still in mines and get your first vision, I purposely chose to never tell anyone about the vision - I don't remember the exact lines I chose, but the bottom lines is nobody knows about your vision, they only know you lost consciousness. 5 minutes later Barrett lands on the mine and immediately tells me that he KNOWS I had visions, and people around don't even try to act surprised about his statement. Not only your actions don't matter, but also your replies don't matter. That's a whole new level of lack of roleplaying.
@@WiegrafFollesin this sense. If you distinguish "stuff that happens" From STORY, with story having character and plot arcs, then we can evaluate that starfield actually lacks a story because nothing has changed from the beginning to the end of the main story (versus say the pirate faction quest, which ends with the pirates either empowered or wiped out, which presumably alters the setting). Your character doesn't have an arc specifically because we have no idea what becoming starborn does to you. None of the other main characters have arcs either, or so weak as to be negligible
@@WiegrafFolles The story in souls games is more about the world itself, the main character (you) come in second. It's why when people talk about it's story, they talk about the lore of the world/locations/items/bosses/npcs. Then the second topic people talk about is the endings, what they mean for the world and what they mean to you as the player.
I hate it because its basically auto failure. Its the same as playing a TTRPG and the DM asking you to roll something when even a max roll fails. Its pointless and often pisses off the player for wasting their time and energy on hoping for alternative outcomes
The starborn story should've ended with an epic space battle with all the allies youve made. So if you joined all factions theyd be there with you. All the settled systems against the starborn. Wait thats mass effect 😂
Mass Effect 1 did everything better: better factions, better locations, better companions, better story, better exploration (they even had a planetary vehicle!).
What I love is how small these groups are. How do all these people know about a group of 6 people? Like your local bridge club being know across the universe.
Aaaaaand another one... For years no one was even thinking about exploring and now there is some group od explorers. Whats again their name? Constellation? Hey Johny you have to hear this one... Yeah if something so unusual and stupid happens usualy words can spread far and since it's been there for decades and Barret was traveling a lot it's most likely that lot of people heard about them. But just like Heller most of them though they are just a joke which is kid of realistic. People like stories
And the foken freestar rangers too. You're telling us they won a 16 year long conflict with the UC, which has security, navy, marine corps, etc. And then their whole entire security force consists of LITERALLY like 6 people? What?
@@iexist.imnotjoking5700 ehhh no... Freestar collective have literaly army. 1st Cavallery was their best unit and Freestar Rangers quest line have a lot of mentions about it. They were the ones using mechs. Rangers are more like cops with more authority.
Todd Howard is not only creatively and narratively bankrupt, he’s delusional. He failed upward and it got to his head. You only end up with Starfield if you either have an entirely incompetent writing staff, or everything cool your writers come up with is struck down by management.
They haven't made a single good game in the entire time he's been there. Skyrim is the really the same thing with a different theme. The combat in elder scrolls games is so embarrassingly horrible and honestly so is the actual role playing too.
@derpderpin1568 Skyrim is a masterpiece in my opinion, I've completed the game multiple times, and I still think it's amazing, it's true that it's full of bugs and shit, but bugs exist in every game, some are known by many some are not, but it's expected with a massive game like Skyrim, even though it came out in 2011
that is the procedural generation fucking up the lore, the story and the immersion.. worse I found was a Deserted UC Listening post 450 meters away from a temple, the listening posts front door was facing the temple directly.. massive UC military compund half a kilometer away from the temple and not one personnel who was stationed there ever investigated the temple or while the compound was been constructed 😂🤦🤷🏻♂️
They call it the "settled systems" so it seems like humans have at least landed on all the planets and moons around, but those floating rocks 500m from an outpost? Why explore that? Total mystery!
It’s so weird that there are outposts everywhere, since there are seemingly no logical reasons for people to settle on more than a handful of planets assuming planets are sized the same as IRL
The lore is almost not there. It's what draws you into the gaming world In fallout I get lots of theories about how the war happened, here the earth has disappeared and you don't or don't care (they could have had their Bethesda mass effect)
Lol with how terrible starfield was i wouldn't be surprised if they straight up forget some of the races they had in TES or something ridiculous like this.
No need to worry. It'll be awful. "We won't be beholden to something someone wrote 20 years ago," said the lead writer at Bethesda. All I need to know.
@@nathanmiller9918 oh god... I can already see it coming, the game takes place a year before the events in skyrim with playable dwemers and snow elves while dragons fly through the skies of hammerfell during a akaviri invasion, you are forced into the fixed role as one of the soldiers of Uriel septim XII.
In Skyrim, you are the literal chosen one of prophecy, destined to defeat a world-ending threat called Alduin THE WORLD EATER. Like, a time-bending dragon who EATS WORLDS. In Starfield, you are a random miner that stumbles onto a space rock and continues to collect them in order to... ? Do what? Trap themselves in a constant loop of collecting more space rocks (but in a different universe each time)??? Even in Fallout 4 (for all its flaws), there are at least personal stakes to the story - you gotta find your son. Todd gave us a 1,000 planets to explore but forgot to put a reason for it in the game.
Skyrim felt like there was something to work towards, like there were real goals, like there was real political strife, and it all made it feel like Tamriel really needed to be saved.
Skyrim was completely bare bones in pretty much every way but it did great at one thing, and that was vibe. The cool weapons you can find, the pretty places to explore, all the armor and jewelry you can collect, and especially the general setting. People hoard in skyrim because there's cool items that make you feel super cool and chosen. They explore in spite of the repetitive gameplay loop because places are interesting and have shiny loot. The story and characters are barely a framework but when you've got a shiny sword and those auroras floating overhead it's easy to lose yourself in the roleplay and make the characters and gameplay better than bethesda ever could. Starfield doesn't have any of that style Skyrim does nearly everything wrong but it manages to be fun anyway because of good visual design and making it feel like a place people lived in and cared about. Starfield just seems like a vast emptiness
@@molluscumlore Personally, I love Skyrim's combat in particular. It feels visceral and immersive, without any of that Witcher-esque, rolling-around nonsense. Learning to slash and block is simple, and the game doesn't demand that you learn a lot of complicated mechanics. For many, that's a flaw -- but it was perfect for me.
I liked how the game was trying to make it seem like the starborn are aliens with advanced technology like the ships and spacesuits yet they use weapons i can grab off any spacer
It's exactly these kinds of details which differentiate a bad or mediocre game from a great game. Competent and passionate developers care about such details to make their game world feel genuine, grounded and make sense, which creates true immersion. Starfield is utterly shallow and generic in these regards, all uninspired, carelessly cobbled together veneer with no deeper thought or substance behind it. It's so obviously a vast but ultimately pointless generic sandbox with all story and RPG elements clearly being just a tacked on afterthought to give the entire thing the illusion of having an actual point.
Imagine if the meth in breaking bad was normal clear white color meth.... but everyone talked about it as if it was some how distinctive among all the other meth.... that's why it be blue
When it was revealed that the starborn were humans from alternate dimensions my first thought was "I wonder how they're going to explain them having all this cool alien tech". And they just...don't.
I saw footage of a dialogue option, I think with Barrett, asking about the technology. What answers do they give if you ask about where the technology came from?
@@trisbane4086 "it was provided by the unity and is beyond your understanding! Don't pay any mind to the fact you can blow 3 of our super special multiversal magic ships up in a single fight with your conventional ship."
They tell you about the creators and that maybe you'll meet them if you reach unity enough times. But as of right now NG+10 was highest tier reward and no one has met a creator yet.
I just don't understand how Bethesda hasn't learned to structure quests in a better way. Some of them are really good like the brotherhood in Oblivion, but it doesn't happen enough. Bioware and CD Project Red have been doing quests amazing for years and they should have taken some inspiration from them.
Is not that is a hard concept, they basic idea is, make the side-quest part of the story, like the Witcher jobs or V mercenary contracts, also, not make your character the centre of the universe.
@@blulikefriendlyhit1213At least the Fallout and Elder Scrolls games are unique enough and have decent stories at best, they're all above average, even 76. Starfield... They just QUIT on all effort. They stopped caring. Or they still care, just not about Starfield, it is just a test bed for the engine and ES6 and Fallout 5. THAT makes sense.
@@karlthorsten9118 Wholeheartedly agree. TES and Fallout both are held by their worldbuilding, while Starfield is just "let's see how many clichés can we put in this game". If this is a test for the engine, I have NO HOPE for TES6, as Starfield was pooy optimized for the incredibly outdated graphics it had
If they did that, the game would literally be Skyrim in space. Come on, UC vs FSC? Imperials Vs Stormcloaks? "Powers" that half are literally copy pasted from Skyrim's shouts?
@@Calbeck not sure, been playing it for a couple weeks now, discovered 1 quest that was memorable and fun and the ship builder is fun to screw around with but the rest is kind of meh
I haven’t played the game but at least Star Wars has lost civilizations and planets. From what I’ve learned the civilizations in this game aren’t even old enough to have things like that.
Playing through 2077 right now, and damn if that game doesn't do EVERYTHING to present good reasons for things, interweave group interests in missions, give characters their own body language, utilize gestures and micro-expressions, produce pressure during confrontations etc., etc. Like, when talking to Dex at the Afterlife, T-Bug sits in a super peculiar, deliberate way. She stretches and moves like someone who doesn't get to move in her job and never has IRL customer contact. Judy and Evelyn talking are so blatantly concerned about each other and speak in a manner that strongly suggests their history, but never states it when you meet them. The game has you move, crawl, stand, sit etc. in ways specific to the situation all the time. Everything about the world, the story, the people makes so much sense. I have a fight with Johnny Silverhand while crawling over my apartment floor, noticeably barely conscious. I have discussions with several people who get carefully framed to stand and walk naturally in my field of view. People touch me, get in my face, punch and jostle me, stand up mid-conversation because they get distracted... And then Starfield does the Oblivion snap-to-dialogue chamera zoom. To deliver a story where only the player actually acts.
@@daniellittle3249 depends if you mean recently or all time and what kind of RPGs you enjoy? There’s very few modern games I actually enjoy. If we are talking recently then Baldur’s Gate 3 is probably your best bet if you haven’t already played it.
If you talk to Sarah enough she'll admit that it's frustrating not to have experienced what you and Barrett did when touching the Artifacts for the first time in the rocks. And yet she can be with you when you grab more and have more visions. "Oh no, you take this one too. Experience this life altering mind bending unexplained reaction again."
@@Big.steppa.reese0i think their point is how weird it is for sarah to be like "dang, i kinda wish i saw those visions" but when u find a new artifact, that no one has touched yet, there's no option to let sarah touch it first
You think that's bad? Half way through Andreja's companion questline she spontaneously forgets that you're also a worshipper of the great serpent or can be in general even if you didn't take the trait. You get like 3 dialogue trees from your possible wife about how your soul is doomed because you're a heathen. The entire faction got done dirty to be fair this is barely scratching the surface of what must be cut content.
@mrhorizongamingchannel1719 There's lots of stuff that we have now that's more advanced, like those guns that let you shoot around corners. No one ever uses drones in starfield? Not even for security? Most weapons would probably have safety features so only the owner can use it, unless you hack it or something. I'm surprised they don't have a dart gun or syringer. Just more futuristic stuff
@@mrhorizongamingchannel1719 300 years ago we had front loader guns and bows were still in use because the guns were not that good. 300 years later I want to see guns with some kind of energy-matter conversion like it was in the starship troopers game, no reloading, just shooting. Reloading is for today not for the future. Also I want to see small weapons with variable shooting capabilities like handguns what can shoot single or rapid, can shoot weak (like 9mm) or strong (like 45cal) and can shoot one or several bullet like a shotgun, I want an universal handgun like anno it was in the wild west, except it is 400 years after wild west and the guns are like multitools.
Whats really weird is that the UC Vanguard makes for an infinitely better main questline than the actual main questline. You got all the right pieces: A galaxy-wide threat that can wipe out humanity. Compelling characters with backstories that are relevant to established lore and history. A few twists and surprises in the narrative. Its truly baffling that they went with this collectathon nothing story instead.
I was doing UC questline as my second faction and was really enjoying it and I thought "wow, the main quest line will probably be even better!". Well...
I thought the Vanguard was going to be almost all space combat, since it kind of sets it up like that. I was beyond disappointed when my first mission was going bug hunting.
I find it more likely that the shareholders didn't want anyone taking risks, especially in the story and gameplay and visual departments, which never goes wrong when it comes to creativity.
No need to get worked up about it, friend. But I agree, it's supremely disappointing and feels like it was entirely written during the writer's strike.
After the canvas bags, the Nuka-cola rum, the failed state of Fo76 on launch, things like the nuke codes not even being randomized (and multiple crashes the entire server, for everyone) then before that, Fo4 having a paper-thin main story... they have been using the same formula since Skyrim. so why did we buy it over and over and over? It's not okay for the company to behave like that, but if we show them they'll make money regardless, I feel like that's partly on the consumer. they're not interested in being famed and acclaimed artists for years from now, they aim to turn a profit and it succeeds.
@AdamOwenBrowning you forgot about the awful launch of every single game they have ever made including skyrim and the fact that the same bugs still exist in their games after 2 decades. The other stuff is minor in comparison
250 hours in. Starfield is what I was set up to expect it to be. I have enjoyed it a lot. Simple as. I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the game. You're entitled to your opinion.
I disagree that there was a morality choice. The game was utterly nihilistic. There was no point to any of it, no values or morality, just one guy making baseless claims, and the other guy making obviously nihilistic claims. But the "good guy" was no more moral than the "bad guy".
Moral choices in games generally aren't very good though. You can't make morality a binary choice it has to be nebulous and confusing or its obvious. That said, Thats not the lesson Todd gets from history. No, he learned, there is no morality! Almost certainly because that's easier and he thinks its deep.
Skyrim just felt real. The choices you made felt like they mattered. The world felt so alive. Starfield just looks dull and boring. Why would I escape into a world, that’s just more dull and boring than the real one?
What's hilarious is that there's literally a planet (where vlad lives) with like tons of lovecraft like giant alien looking fossils with tentacles and all. There's even posters of creatures around the world with the message "who are they" and "they are coming". They had a good plot right there, AND the ancient temples right there to make it all work, but decided to go with the most random non-explanation non satisfactory shit ever. Even the NG+ is lazy as hell. What could have been great? going through NG+ a couple times noticing things getting stranger, bleaker and weirder only to reach a true ending to which at some point the protagonist ends somewhere they weren't supposed to be in a bleak desolute lovecraftian like world filled with monstrosities and cultist. ANYTHING would have been better than what we got. Bethesda is completely bankrupt on ideas and it's time they clean house of their boomer writers. Because the one they got has zero imagination whatsoever
Also hilarious how none of the factions care about your powers at all lmao. One guy/girl running around with magic powers in a universe where governments try to use different species in xenowarfare, and absolutely none of them care about this special human who can magically bring stuff back to life. Don't even mention it, the only time you hear about your powers is companions reacting to them. Bethesda thought like nothing out at all.
The NG + idea sounds cool but it wouldn't be a good mechanic for something that is supposed to be a massive open world game. Would fit a shorter more story focused game.
Its Todd's fanfic of our favorite spacey-shooty games but- todd isn't very thinky-painty hes more- a thingy wanty- a takey breaky. so he's too inept to realize he's ripping off an already devoid creative idea. By picking the stuff we liked the most leastish because it was easy.
@@GnohmPolaeon.B.OniShartzalso the whole "starborn" thing is so stupid. Ripped that shit straight out of Skyrim. Todd can’t resist the urge to sell us Skyrim again
I was initially underwhelmed when it was revealed that the Death Claws were now called Terror Morphs. In eight years of development, they haven't come up with anything else? But it's not just the Death Claws, they've also adopted the dragon screams. And the dragonborn are now called starborn.
the terrormorphs arent even a threat, not once have they charged me and been a threat beyond making my character hear some random voices and being bullet sponges
@@fawkyou2001 The terror morph voice sequence was one of the few things I actually quite liked tbh. Something about a giant, gross, monster softly speaking to you telepathically with a threatening message was kind of cool.
@@codyvandal2860 I do agree that as a concept its cool, its part of the reason I like the annihilation bear mimicking its victims but in practice it just ends up being a telepathic alien that stands still and tries to speak to you
Never seen a 'game of the year' fall off as fast as Starfield. Literally everywhere on launch, two weeks later there are more people playing and watching Roblox.
its actually funny how in week 1 of the game, every nonsense twitch streamer was playing this game and the next week its completely forgotten in the abyss of games that were hyped and never played again.
wrong, this game was gassed up and lied about more than most other games in history. Many of the streamers were putting on fake faces to keep the gravy train flowing. All of that is being promptly memory holed now since everyone knows the game is terrible now @@blulikefriendlyhit1213
The single most annoying thing is the amount of dialogue options which starts a fight with essential NPCs which you can't kill. It's literally just bricking your save in certain areas.
Yes, the amount of those dialogue options makes me think that the choice to make absolutely every named NPC essential was done after all dialogue was written, and the dialogue was never adjusted. I think the reason they decided on it was because the NPCs are glitchy and braindead and would all probably die off-screen if they could.
Got into an early fight on the UC vigilance. Despite the battle being an absolute push over, there wasn’t anything to be done, as you can’t kill Ikande early, or take over the ship, or *do anything* that would divert Todd’s ordained plot.
I think the new game plus falls off too cause they introduce the fact that you have knowledge already on the world and the things that are going to happen but then you go along in some quests having the same dialouge options as before “not knowing” crucial stuff you have already learned. Like the United Colonies quest with the terramorphs and what they are
RIGHT?! That would’ve be a huge and awesome trait that I think would’ve been a giant plus to the score I give to the game. Completely different endings to quests, or at least skipping parts completely thanks to prior knowledge. But no, half baked and scuffed, the magic Bethesda touch.
You know, the setting is not even bad. Very good backdrop for space opera. What makes this awful is that we can look at games that came 10-15 years prior like Mass Effect trilogy that has that character recruitment, daddy problems, mysterious stuff, visions from artifact, different style places and cities... and basically most of the intelligent aliens are just humans that look different. And more daddy problems. Why take any direction from this approach. Then there are franchises like Star Wars and Star Trek that have fleshed out worlds and plenty of fan fiction around them. Bethesda could have gone to some forums and mix and mash these fanfic things and use it in creative ways. But no, Bethesda decided to do something new, but apparently was out of ideas because the end result is bland, characters are colourless and tasteless, the plot has no internal logic whatsoever. What I suspect is that once again Bethesda relies on modders to overhaul this trainwreck. Basically fan fiction will be the way for this game anyway, just that Bethesda couldn't be bothered to even copy the fan fiction themselves.
The terrormorph quest was stupidly easy to guess. She literally says it must hitch a ride on ships as a seed or egg and go undetected. There is only one alien in the entire universe that does that and is everywhere AND it has the same face. That quest is filled with the trappings of a really bad writer who genuinely thinks they are smarter than you and everyone else that will play it. They think that little of you. Who could have done the terrorist attack? Lets ask the war criminal, it couldnt be him after all!
It's just half assed like the rest of the game, not surprising at all. Making you a character in a new protagonist's story would have been an interesting way to do it.
The part that broke me in the story (after "we just met, take my starship") was when you were trying to figure out where the traveler was. When you had to put the clues together to find his planet. I seriously had to put the controller down and rub my temples and say things like, "You were so close Bethesda. You almost did something clever. But no. You had to shit yourself at the finish line.". Rather that using the scripture about two people fighting for something like 4 solar years and 140 days to pinpoint a planet based on it's solar year and rotation, they decided to say it was its GPS coordinates. For context our latitude and longitude was decided by the man who invented it. That is why 0 longitude goes through Greenwich England. They really, REALLY needed to include some scientific advisors into more of the game. The writing is such ass.
The issue is scientific advisors, and good writing costs monnnneyyyyy. They already dumped most of their budget on the graphics, they need to make a turn over somehow.
@@Electronica27 Actually looked this up later. The planets are given longitude and latitudes based on their poles. The point still stands though. They have made games in the past that had good writing. They are probably too big now too take chances on writing interesting plot not. Gotta make the safe money. Still. The first time I met Adjana I was like “Your definitely Va’Ruun.” Then later she says she is a Va’Ruun spy. Alright… then why are they attacking you? No. No dialogue option for that? Alright. As for graphics. They are using the same engine as Fallout 4 brother. Lol
@@OmegaUberDeathbotthe "too big to innovate" sentiment is like a death siren for game studios and I don't know why they like to ignore it so much. I really hope bethesda get some new talent and shake things up for es6 or they'll be going down the same way as ubisoft
@@смрш what could they even do about it? It’s not like they can fire everyone, that’s a lawsuit. They can’t fire their board, they are stock holders. Eventually entertainment companies all stop innovating and start producing bland, paint by numbers, vanilla ice cream.
@@OmegaUberDeathbotI mean... The Andreja question is easy. Cause they're zealots and she isn't. She's not the right kind of Va'Ruun to them. This doesn't make the Pilgrim thing good writing but when you realize that Aquilis IS the Pilgrim it kinda makes it seem like he was just proud of his silly little puzzle he made.
Every time I see a game like this, the entire marketing of starfield, the grandeur, the epic scale of the universe, I think to myself "how will they be able to tell that story?" I feel like you'd have to create a story that is enthralling philosophically even outside of the game, create something fantastic asking questions about the universe, life, meaning and our place in the world. And I always think that to archieve this must be really difficult, I wonder how they'll do it. Turns out these games never do, they never archieve that goal. Destiny looked like it could for a while, but then after forsaken its philosophic themes also started to decline.
I just want a space game where humanity realizes that there is no peace with the aliens and that they should be wiped out for more real estate. Considering what humans do to each other I don't see us shaking hands with the aliens.
Destiny’s story is still great, and still has tons of themes like that. Their 2022 release showed that the silent, seemingly benevolent god the entire game is based around is not quite as straightforward as we thought, and that its does not have humanity’s best interest in mind, only its own. It just so happened that until then, humanity was its best choice to further its own survival.
@@thewerepyrekingFinally some love for Sunless Skies. The game is truly a hidden gem. How’s Planescape though? It’s been on my radars for a while, especially after BG3. Should I check it out?
@@bencatzilla Skyrim, Fallout 3 and Fallout 4. His biggest crime was when he literally just flipped Fallout 3’s story around for Fallout 4. Instead of a son looking for his dad, you’re now a dad looking for his son. We don’t deserve his creative genius.
I feel part of the problem is. This is a Bethesda original. They had to create all the lore themselves. With fallout, they had pre existing lore (written by someone else) to base their game off of. RIP Bethesda.
For me Fallout has the best lore of the current BGS titles and that’s entirely thanks to the original creators. I do enjoy BGSs take on Fallout but it’s objectively gotten worse since they started with 3 (NV not included). 76 is bad, 4 is okay, and 3 is good. The lore is fantastic but BGS is squandering the potential. I do enjoy TES titles from time to time but BGS still has hits and misses there. Star field is definitely their worst attempt at building lore for an original story. It’s very bad.
Yes, the first Fallout is bleak, the second one is bleak but funny at same time Fallout 3 is serious with some wacky moments, NV is back to the roots, but the difference bis that you have a lot of choices that would make the game goes from hopeful to bleak. Like you can enlist BoS to fight alongside NCR, or you can literally join Cesar and enslave everyone surprisingly helping Mr. House may be the better option of all considering that his plans were rebuild civilization back to the point where was left before the war, he was the only one with a vision for the future of mankind in Fallout world. Fallout 3 is a good game but nothing remarkable aside the fact that was the first time we saw a looter shoter rpg. Fallout 4 was way more hype than game and Fallout 76 was a disaster.
It's like they added another dimension to the "Why is there fresh fruit and lit torches in this dungeon that no one has been in in hundreds of years?" problem the previous games had.
@zeikers You play that dumb anime game where the woman has a blindfold on with white hair. It's so irrelevant I forgot the name of it 😂 no offense sorry 😅
the best bit is that since the entire game is finding out the mystery of the "Artefacts" and then becoming a Star Child and reincarnating in another universe.. your only option once reincarnated is to.. hunt down the Artefacts so you can Reincarnate again, its so absent of anything else that since the whole motive is this plot, why would you want to reincarnate?
Skyrim's story was generic and played it safe in a lot of ways, but at least the side quests were a lot of fun, and the world was ripe for exploring even when you weren't doing a quest. You could just walk around from city to city have interesting stuff happen. In Starfield I just felt like I was fast traveling to different map markers and running through cities to markers. I never felt that sense of wondering what's around the next corner. I was just checking things off my quest list. I lost interest after about 8 hours. Ironically someone told me that it doesn't start getting good until 30-40 hours in like what? It's a BGS game, they would have never intended to make a game that doesn't grip you from the beginning and take you on a ride, so I'm left to assume they tried to do that and failed with me.
Skyrim is the last of what was already written down for the Elderlores. Its about 30% elderscrolls and 100% other peoples ideas. Todd's pretty much out of Elderscrolls and Fallout to steal off of and they're both becoming generic RPGs as a result. And I'm pretty sure thats why we got Stansfield. He saw a big empty whole in the market so he picked up His Dragonborn. And His fallen-out. And tried to make the spacers choice of no mans sky by way of elite dangerous and the idiot took all the boring stuff from all of them and just slapped the druggyburn up as his protagonist again but also lamer.
Definitely. And if you go NG+, it wipes out all of your scanning data. I spent so many hours scanning things. Same with building my various ships. Then I get to NG+ and it's all gone. Worst incentive to do NG+ of all time.
gonna be honest here, the twist was disappointing to me. i was really hoping the starborn were actually aliens when i first encountered them but nope, they are just humans from another universe.
@@grigoris.7732After ten NG+ you will blast anything you see if it annoys you a little bit, NG+ is interesting, but i find boring as fuck, now i am a traumatized Starborn
It may be getting over done but no where near as bad as the zombie trend that went on for a decade. I personally liked the way they worked the new game plus into the story.@@grigoris.7732
I think its incredible that you are supposed to be an explorer, a scientist, and are not able to ask questions. "Hey starborn, how many universes have you been through? Have you found any info on who made the artifacts? Hey, higher being in the unity, who are you? Do you know whats up? Do the starborn appear where the artifact they first touched is located in the new universe? Why do i always spawn at the same point in time?"
The Starborn could've been way cooler in concept. Imagine having to race against these near-omnipotent people to gather the artifacts, before they potentially erase your universe and move on. It would also give narrative weight to choosing New Game plus and allow you to interact differently with the Starborn on the future run. Sadly it's impossible because that requires effort.
My biggest gripe as well. From the get go, you immediately have everything you need. Here, have a ship. Here have a crew, here have an entire discovery team. Who have been searching for these rocks for God knows how's long. And you find several all within a few hours of game time.
@@NoPhilosopher Ah okay. But I think it's Besthesda themselves that literally can't do better. Low attention players need engaging mechanics not dumbed down mechanics. So can't blame this on the players.
My favorite thing lately has been videos deconstructing Starfield and there is just no end to how much of a failure this game is. Storyline, world building, npc interaction, dialogue, menu screens, loading screens the list goes on and on.
Yeah, just like Cyberpunk in 2020. But look at it now. You are just a typical hater, you probably don't even play it, you're just cheering for game to fail.
@@Kintabl Cyberpunk is still pretty shit, and it had great aspects on release. This game has none of that, you've just spent too much time in it to accept the sunk cost. Isn't it projecting to comment on people actually criticizing a game while you brainlessly defend a company that doesn't care at all about you (or making a good game)?
@@Kintabl No amount of bugfixes can ever fix a bad story or an empty open world experience, it did not work for Cyberpunk 2077. If i were to pick between actual good games being released and having fun playing them instead of getting my entertainment from videos deconstructing just how bad games are getting, i of course would pick the first one. Howeever deconstruction videos are the byproduct of a industry that does not cater to it's audience anymore. Fans of gaming for years are being left behind only to be replaced with more impressionable youths that have no way of telling what games are good or bad since they have a limited frame of reference. Basically what i am saying you might not know how good games used to be and if you don't know that then you can't tell how much garbage Cyberpunk or Starfield really is you are lacking a frame of reference. Furthermore the hype is greater than before and it is easy to be swept away with it. Gone are the days of game being released and then reading a review on it later on which you may or may not agree with. Now however it's all about youtube personalities if some random youtuber says a game is good you are likely to accept it blindly. Which is what the hype is meant to do. It makes you turn of all critical aspects of your mind and accept whatever current trending sponsored sold out dickhead youtuber says about a game. Like your act mans or gmanlives, both of which applauded and defended Starfield despite the fact that the game looks ugly, has a boring story, uninspired dialogue and in all honesty is not a worthwhile mention at all when it comes to gaming. If there were no hype around that game and it did not come from a popular developer it would have been mocked right from the start by practically everyone for this half assed amateurish attempt at a space sim without the depth of an actual space sim and an rpg without the depth of an actual rpg where player choices matter and the whole point of an rpg is to let the player decide what he does and have an impact on the events surrounding the player, that is the whole freaking point of an rpg which stands for ROLE PLAYING GAME you play a role and it is you who should be able to decide what you do in your role. Neither games mentioned let you play a role you just follow waypoints and either kill or talk to someone at the end of the waypoint and then return to the quest giver. You think anyone really just wants games to fail? No everyone wants games to be good but the games just fail and fail and fail again only to be defended by shills and deluded people swept up by the hype.
@@Kintabl I would literally rather cyberpunk on a ps4 then play an hour or snorefield thst game fails in every sense of the matter and should be recalled and refunded lol and cyberpunk is better now because the devs actually care about it… stinkfield will be the same game in 5 years from now soulless empty 2010 level game
Even a majority of the side quest turned out awful. There were several that were super interesting concepts like the lost colony ship and the famous people clones. But both quest are wrapped up super quick with no real satisfying outcome
I adore the “Bethesda” rpg experience here, but you perfectly put into words why I was kinda miffed approaching the end of the main quest. There’s no agency or sense that anyone even gives a shit.
My lack of agency in this game is my biggest disappointment. Like when I first entered the key I just went around and killing every pirate only to realise that you can't kill off a faction and have to follow whatever questline Bethesda has provided.
Tons and tons of time spend procrastinating being undecided, changing design choices then realizing it didn't work and then reverting back again, realizing the engine was outdated and trying to fix the graphics. Basically, this is what happens when there is no core leadership with a solid vision about what the game could be.
@@eddyk564it really isn’t outdated but if that’s what you choose to believe then go ahead. Starfield uses creation engine 2 which fallout 4 does not use
@@johnb.8977 That's not what I meant. I was referring to the development time being so long because they likely had to fix the graphics at some point due to the development going on so long (and graphical standards improving in that time)
@@johnb.8977 If they can't make an open-world game without a dozen loading screens between hub areas and small interiors in 2023 while the game still runs like shit, then it is outdated. It still has the same limitations as Oblivion 17 years ago.
It would be awesome if the Starborn referenced your ability to save and reload the game as an ability that all Starborn have. A meta explanation for that would be very interesting.
Yes! Given that Starfield is a thin veneer of space ideas over Skyrim and CHIM was already in Morrowind you would think they would come to that conclusion as well. That's a great idea unfortunately Bethesda has become allergic to good ideas.
I attempted to play it, after the 4 hour mark I stopped and have no inclination to boot it back up again. Compared to RPGs like BG3 or even indie games like Disco Elysium, Starfield feels immensely boring to me. Really great video breaking everything down, I'm glad I didn't put more time into it.
First mistake was expecting Bugthesda to actually have a good writing staff.... A number of their writing talent left after morrowind when Todd took over replacing Weaver who was forced out by zenimax, then the rest jumped ship after Oblivion.
This game is very much affraid that player will shut off the game because they aren't given a ship to control in the first few minutes. However I think, it would've been more impactful to have Barrett fly WITH you and test you if you could control the ship, instead of giving it to you, still preserving the tutorial bit. This ship should've been a reward for completing the quest and joining the Constellation itself, as perhaps all recruits could have their own ships, and you'd have to work for it a little. I don't understand why Starfield is so affraid to, at first, constrain the player to New Atlantis and let them uncover layers of the constellation itself and how it operates. It would've been so rewarding having Sarah say "So Barrett tested you? You can control the ship well then? Alright. It's time for you to earn the right to fly it without our guidance!". I agree with everything in this video though.
@@Kintabl FO4: You watch your spouse get shot in front of you and your son get kidnapped, then wake up in a post-apocalyptic wasteland with all the motivation you could ever need. Skyrim: You watch a mythical dragon the size of a barn raze a town as you are about to be executed, then are let loose into an actually open world divided over civil war, magic, and world-ending prophecy. Starfield: You are a miner who gets handed the keys to a rich person's car after hallucinating, and get tasked with fast travelling to empty waypoints in order to collect MacGuffins. Yeah, pretty much all the same.
@@Kintabl what if I said yes does that change how stupid and anticlimactic or pointless Starfield is? It doesn't does it? I know I hurt your feelings, mostly because you agree with me because I'm right, but stay on topic, yea?
@@SaturninePlaces You see I don't like this kind of openings speacialy in Bethesda games, because like you say wife is killed and son is taken and you wake up and you do million other things before you go looking for the son. Same with Skyrim world is about to end and you are doing millions other things before you go what's going on with world ending. In Starfield there is no rush in main story. But you are right if something Bethesda could do better, definitely a better stories.
Just checked out your written review. I really enjoy Bethesda fanboys because you're not allowed to leave a negative review if you've only played 10-20 hours, because you've clearly not experienced everything. But you're also not allowed to leave a negative review after 90+ hours either.
It's the Xbox fanboys crying over bad reviews because they're coping they bought a shitty games console. I am a Bethesda fanboy and I'm confident saying that this doesn't feel like a Bethesda game at all. This game feels like it was made "consciously" instead of being made for fun. Like breathing, once you think about it is difficult, or when you're shooting hoops and then you snap out of the zone and are missing afterwards. Exploration in starfield really is non existent since you can fast travel everywhere, and every side quest is given by eavesdropping chatty guards who can't keep their mouths shut. Sure Skyrim did it but a lot of side quests are given by the world interacting with you, starfield is nothing like Skyrim or fallout in terms of storytelling or environmental storytelling. It's like Bethesda doesn't even know what makes their games and their worse games, good.
@@mtk1808 What? This game feels EXACTLY like a Bethesda game. It might be the most Bethesda game that Bethesda has ever made. This has been the trajectory of their development studio since Oblivion. Every game has the RPG elements shaved down while the action/adventure elements get turned up. Starfield is just the natural evolution of that design philosophy. People have this weird idea that Bethesda is interested in making immersive RPGs. They aren't, and haven't been for decades. They want to make arcade action/adventure games and Starfield is right in that wheelhouse.
@@chriswhinery925 This game feels nothing like a Bethesda game. Hell, one thing that every Bethesda game had in common was how good the open worlds were. Except in starfield instead of having an open world, you have a few 100 islands of content and dozens of loading screens in-between. I'm saying this as someone who's first game was fallout 4, starfield ain't it. Hell I'd go so far to say that starfield is flat out worse than fallout 4 in most aspects.
@@chriswhinery925 I'd argue that Bethesda games always had meaningful and important choices that the player would need to make, which determined the path they would follow. Starfield was the first 'modern' Bethesda game that didn't have that
I really like how Starfield boosted the hype for space RPGs so everyone started playing No Man Sky. Btw just for comparison: Good things in Starfield: - Ship building Good things in No Man Sky: - Cool costumes - Base building is not endgame - You can tame animals - Its multiplayer and you can coop - Cool space battles - Seamless transitions from planetside to space - FUN
This is a really subjective post. Everything except for the multiplayer and seamless transition is also true of Starfield. Obviously cool costumes, space battles, and fun just depend on what you like. You can tame animals in a sense, by making animal husbandry facilities, but they're just a resource generator at that point to be fair. And base building is not endgame, it's available and useful basically right away.
@@AdmiralKarelia btw when exploring planets in NMS you only need to scan every animal/plant/etc once. even though it's a game about infinite grind in space, as opposed to supposed-to-be-RPG Starfield
I'm honestly surprised they didn't have you recruit an entire time after having your vision quest with the ancient artifact. I mean they already lifted so much from Mass Effect 1 that it feels almost incomplete without the 'build your team' portions.
I enjoyed the main story until they threw the Multiverse nonsense in that made everything you do inconsequential and meaningless all for the sake of "NG plus is so cool" why would I want to re do everything & everything over & over again with the same character...
@@GnohmPolaeon.B.OniShartz To be fair to him, we did, and we validate the idea that this sort of shitty template design can still be sold since we bought Skyrim multiple times, sometimes on the same platform. People somehow forgot that Fo76 was a joke from the top-down and still has a pretty hardcore base of players, Skyrim was simply not objectively good as an RPG and neither was Oblivion. It started after Morrowind. My love for most of these games is nostalgia, if we strip it down they're not stellar role-playing stories.
@@AdamOwenBrowning This is true, but at the same time, there were still cool stuff in Skyrim, Oblivion, and the Bethesda Fallout games. They weren't masterpieces, but they were interesting. Starfield feels like Fallout 4 but without any of the interesting things. It feels like a game still in beta, barely in early access at best. It's so empty.
Oh, okay. So Todd steals mechanics and this emil looser steals story! No wonder, no wonder. Sorry, I haven't payed attention to Bethesda in a very long time so I don't know who's stealing what anymore!
The first 10 minutes of the game was pretty interesting. We seemed to be a miner of sorts, digging our way to our next paycheck. Until we find this strange object. Then suddenly, out of nowhere, we fight off pirates, given a new ship and off to destroy the first pirate outpost. We went from zero to murdering psycho in a span of an hour. At least in Fallout 4 we were either some kind of soldier or psychiatrist. In Skyrim, we were a prisoner, and then slowly become the dragonborn. But this? It's like the writing team gave up and said, 'Eh... let's just wing it'.
It would make sense that constellation, funded by a rich megacorp CEO, would be a group of misfits from different paths of life who would come together for a shared interest in exploration and archaeology. Instead, Starfield makes a hobby centered meetup group into something more than it needs to be.
After beating the game and going into new game+ and realizing that all I cared about was the ship building, I went back to an earlier save where I still had my money and resources for building things. It's like playing with legos but you have to unlock it by doing missions that are boring. New game+ just makes it so that you have to do it again.
@@johnwotek3816as the building in fallout 4 was enjoyable in its own right as well, especially with mods. At this point bethesda should just make a minecraft type game and go with that talent
I felt similarly. Building the ships was more fun than actually playing the game... Then again that was how I felt about Fallout 4 and its settlement system.
@@aquariuskudo I thought so as well. But you may sooner or later find out she's surprisingly morally stiff, and have more or less identical opinion as the rest of the constellation team. There's no variation in player choices with these mates.
What do u mean? U learn the game and how to mine and build the unity. Heck Sam changes and the whole game changes. But it seems most players are inbred
yes its true but no one plays a Bethesda game for its main story. Having the main plot being about finding things to start a new game plus was a mistake.
TES: Lore in every nook and cranny of the world. Every book you pick up contains a piece of history. You are a stranger in a strange land that have existed long before you. Starfield: Oh shit, the MC landed into planet Xebooba Alpha 16. Quick. Generate a place and science dungeon that will expand his powers somewhat
Basically, it sounds like kind of like Mensa. It doesn't really do anything outside of a little self-service and you get to join because you passed their entrance test.
Mod can't save this game, No amount of Mod could save this game from bad story, Bad world building, Bad pacing. Every time i played, The game did make me feel like i'm playing fallout 76. Nothing memorable. No interesting npc, enemies. No interesting place to visit. The whole game is just a sandbox with radiant quests. Even the most scary enemy is pathetic. Also in this game "You are the chosen one" again, They don't even know you but give you everything from spaceship, robot, place to stay. I would say that's just lazy writing, How about make me fight for my own spaceship instead? my first spaceship which i got by myself instead of throwing it in my face for free. I try to refuse to join them many time but the game just force me to go to them. what a joke of a role play game. In Fallout 4 the story was bad and the modding community can't fix that but what make it fun is that they mod out all the npc and turn them into a survival game.
It's weird too because Bethesda's Fallout 3 had a believable macguffin: The G.E.C.K, which was hidden deep within a mutant-infested vault. Why couldn't they make the Artifact sites in Starfield more believably perilous and hidden?
There are a few planets and moons where you won't find any human structures (e.g.: Tidacha system). I think their intention was to make you believe you are the first human there. However I went into a cave on one such planet and have found a single storage crate in it suggesting someone had already visited the planet before me which was very disappointing.
@@daeron5705 no, that would be Elite Dangerous. Not only it hides its loading screens much better, but also you never find aggressive alien animals or containers with human loot on empty planets - hence they are truly empty rather than pretend to be. Moreover, you even can get lost in its vast space - something that is absolutely impossible in Starfield
If they put aliens in NOW then they won't be able to put aliens in later as a paid DLC. Also the special constellation watch exists solely as a tie-in for the ubercollectable paid package. Barrett gives it to you, then you never see it or hear about it again.
He has the DLC already planned for the next 20 years I'm sure. Now that he knows he can release Skyrim 12 times over 10 years and it'll sell well every time. He probably thinks he can trench in and stretch space out over the rest of his life. And he's right, because the average person enjoys grey paste. Its the most disgusting phenomenon, frankly. They call him divine! What a crock. What a cult.
@@nolgroth But that's not the watch, it's just a HUD element. Not like the pipboy which you constantly use. You never see the watch again, the op is right.
Finally someone who makes sense ! I was becoming crazy feeling like I'm the only one who sees how the unity concept and new game plus severely clashes with the point of building the character you want to be a damn BGS rpg. Buying a hause ? No point. Finding a partner ? No point. Making an outpost ? Why waste hours for it own sake. Completing any quests for annyone in the universe ? Who cares ? You're not coming back anyway. If only you could keep the compagnions who cannonicaly jump with you and become starborns, that would make something to care about, but no. They just go somewhere you're not. Great ! The worst part is that I could be petty and point out the paradoxes in the infinite non linear time multiverse concept but what's the point, BGS didn't really care to make something with it outside of a dozen easter eggs or even to explain it porperly. All for dlcs I suppose.
@@demonic_myst4503 Agreed, they would be nitpicks but I think they would matter still. I guess what I was trying to say is just that unless a story is about a paradox or enriched by it, it's fair to say that a good story without paradoxes is better than a good story with paradoxes, which is itself better than a bad story without paradoxes and the worst would be a bad story with paradoxes. And sadly I think starfield ends up being in the last and worst category.
This is such a stupid criticism. You don’t have new game + in any other Bethesda game. I’ve made so many different characters in every other Bethesda game and guess what? Nothing Carries over. If you want to stay in the original universe do that. If you want you can stop and make any of them your permanent universe. Its a unique way of having new game + . Also I love the game. Don’t know if you guys are aware of people really loving the game so I’m throwing that out there
@@solidsnake3962 Well I don’t think it is stupid but maybe I am or just sound more harsh than I truly am. In any case, I realize that people love the game. I myself clocked 115 hours. If I did, it’s because I care. If I commented, it was because talking about it is interesting, either for criticizing, sharing experiences, discussing the game or just finding someone that can make my view shift and appreciate the game better. Still, loving something doesn't make it good. I am guilty of loving some mid or down right bad stuff. Your love for something can’t serve as an argument for anything except to justify your own enjoyment and certainly not deter anyone from talking about what they think is failure. Especially because talking about it might make more known an issue that if corrected might improve the experience of a future BGS game for everyone. In short, just pointing out mistakes so that they’re not made again. As for the new game plus in Starfield, I think either you misunderstood or I didn’t made myself clear. The problem is not its existence in itself but the way it presents itself. Then again, as a function, it doesn’t provide a way to do over your traits or your background which limits its own utility over a new file. As for experiencing different choices, it is not obvious from a first playthrough that early decisions have far reaching consequences so it isn't as good as an alternative it could be to just making a choice and reloading to see both sides. To my first point about the clashing narrative and your response, refusing the unity is not something the game considers as an end. You can, but it just puts the quest on hold. So refusing to engage with it just makes you refuse to engage a part of the game that seems integral. It is the end goal of the main quest. All you did was to arrive before the unity and jump. Everything seems to point that way and even your companions go for the unity. The game has a world that wants you to invest time in while the main quest wants you to ditch it all not for a do over but for a continuation as a starborn while the rest stays behind, unreachable. Mechanically, it’s an in universe new game plus but narratively, it’s the certainty for your character to become a bored immortal space traveler just like the hunter and emissary. And while this is an interesting idea, the game doesn’t explore it in the new game. Unless you count yourself becoming more bored with the game with each new game plus which to be fair, would be an interesting commentary if it was the intention. Sorry I know, it's too long but hey, as said before, talking about this game is interesting !
@@eclarxios5145 well that was very well worded and sorry about saying that was a stupid criticism. I still go with you don’t have to start new game + tho. When I play fallout and build up all my settlements and do everything in the game and at the end of it I make a new character and loose all of the stuff I made I don’t say what was the point. I do it all over. There’s going to be people that play the game for 100’s of hours and for years who will have never started new game +. Now all that being said I’ve played for 50 hours and haven’t gotten near the end. I’m not really going to make any outposts but I want to do as much of the game as I can before beating it. I want to make universe 8 my final universe because I think that armor is the best looking armor. At that point I’m going all in on outpost building and so fourth and stay in that universe as long as possible. That’s my plan at least.
I understand the artifacts getting lost to time (most of them, anyway), but I don't get how the temples haven't been found and documented by now. Why aren't the settled systems filled with conspiracy theorists and researchers desperate to crack one open? It would have been a great opportunity to introduce Aquilus as someone interested in the mystery of them earlier, the 'twist' of him being the Hunter had literally no impact because I only had reason to talk to him once. Not to mention the interesting interactions we could have with the UC/Collective/House Va'runn if they discovered we can get into one. Just no idea why I can use these unearthly powers in front of a bunch of UC soldiers and not end up in a lab.
The beginning forces you to go to New Atlantis. Traveling anywhere else is disabled until you visit the lodge for the first time. Some of the Teraformable planets in the settled systems as well as a handful of systems were discovered by Constellation, but that's barely touched on by anyone and Sarah only briefly talks about it. The temple thing could be sortof fixed by having it appear once you got close enough because you and Barrett are the "Chosen Ones" or whatever.
I restarted a new playthrough after completing the main story, with the intention of never going into the lodge once and basically fuck off constellation. Nope. Cant fucking do it. You are force locked into being a goody two shoes science explorer in a game where "you can go anywhere and be anyone"
Yeah, like if the temples are hidden in pocket dimensions that only are accessable to those who have attuned to an artifact, it wouldn't be that hard to pull off but they were just too lazy
While I was playing the main quest I had the theory that the starborn were actually humans from the future who travelled back in time to stop me from finding the artifacts due to the butterfly effect, then it turned out to be multiverses, and then i unistalled the game
@@claudiovasquez2099 Accept they don't because your always the one who dies and now that you didn't there like yeah lets see what happens. They encourage you to collect the remaining artifacts and don't forget to go power up at the temples.
bad story, bad characters, bad gameplay, bad game. Bethesda aren't the same studio they used to be 10-15 years ago. Seems like a bad investment by Microsoft tbh.
The way described gathering a team and they're missions on different planets and they're own quest is litterally what Mass Effect do and that's why it's so awesome
Bethesda fans: stop giving us fetch quests
Bethesda: *makes the entire main campaign a fetch quest*
underrated comment
not only that, but they are fetching some macguffin that is by definition nobody gives a shit about.
yah at least there some stuff you see along the way in the fetch quests its like they did the fetch shit on purpose and added stuff to make it bearable
You still bought it
@@colt-_-jonson1743 not necessarily it's on the game pass so like me you could try the game see how complete garbage it is and uninstall it.
I don't think I've ever played a game where I care so little for every NPC I meet, absolutely soulless.
Yup, had them hang about for a while so I could do their side quests and then ditched them immediately. They’re an absolute nuisance aboard your ship.
The npcs look like they’re from the early ps3 era
I took the extrovert trait and I regretted it within the hour. They really need to make the traits reset for NG+. It makes no sense that they don’t, even if you only look at it from a story standpoint. 😑
I've never before played a game in which every main NPC actively annoys the hell out of me. ("I have something for you . . .")
@@AretaicGames every npc in fallout 4 was as annoying as well lol I have no idea how Bethesda lost so much writing talent in a relatively short amount of time
The fact that you are actually the Spaceborn and have space shouts is the funniest possible punchline to over a decade of ‘Skyrim with guns’ jokes.
I never even used those in combat, guns already melted people seemed strange they added powers too
*Starborn
Fallout 4 looks like a masterpiece when compared to this game... Which is honestly pretty sad
@@CropperTVand the powers start off soooooooooo weak
Still playing Skyrim until Bethesda woke up to the music. 👍👍
The first 3 encounters I had with "The Hunter" I shot him until he went into the classic essential npc crawl. The villian, I beat. Unkillable. Just crawling around. The bad guy. I wasn't allowed to kill him.
It’s absurd 😭
That was a bad moment for me. Andrea had just been killed, the story finally had a moment with some feeling. Then it looked like it was giving me a chance at revenge. I used up a cocktail of chems and rushed in for a boss fight before noticing my quest objective was 'run away'. Super disappointing when I realized the bad guy was immortal.
Can't kill the gurl power meta. 😂
A similar moment for me is the UC SysDef/Crimson Fleet mission. I guess I pissed off Ikande at some point, he became hostile and tried to arrest me. I was like "fine, I'll side with the Crimson Fleet and kill all these mofos". But not only Ikande, but most of the NPCs on the UC Vigilance was unkillable. WTF? None of these NPCs relates to the main quest, there's no reason to make them unkillable.
Bethesda's trend of railroading the player started during Oblivion. Now they only care about having big set pieces and will railroad the player into making sure they see the story Emil chose for them.
It amuses me that Bethesda built a literal space game and didn't include to put aliens in it, but they did put aliens in Fallout 4.
dlc
That would have been far too predictable and cliché. There’s plenty of alien life forms anyway they’re just not intelligent. It’s also only set in one galaxy. I imagine the next one in like 15 years will be about first contact in Andromeda.
@@kane357lynch naw they're in maingame too.
@@purgatorialuk There is 200-400 billion stars in Milky Way. And no alien civilizations in Starfield? Seriously? What a small scope this game has.
@@purgatorialuk "That would have been far too predictable and cliche"
Yeah, because if there's two things that Bethesda is known for, it's originality and subversion of expectations.
How does Sarah somehow simultaneously look 30 years old, 60 years old, and like an undead zombie? 😳
Idk what ur talkkng about, sarah is a very handsome lady
@@BoleDaPolestop huffing copium, she looks like slightly melted plastic
The npcs overall scare me because of how rooted they are at the bottom rim of the uncanny valley
@@BoleDaPolelike for real Skyrim and Fallout 4/76 have okay looking npcs, why did they make them look so god awful
I blame you KrolKaz, simply because you defended one npc I blame you for all of them
Kick rocks KrolKaz
Maybe it's from when she emotes, she gets deeper forehead wrinkles than my granddad.
@@masterofmetaphorsit was only the human NPCs that looked off, the Khajiits, Argonians, and Orcs looked pretty cool
Absolutely incredible that Bethesda somehow decided that the best way to end their game was to do the exact same ending no man’s sky was ridiculed for a decade earlier
Thank you. They didn't only copy paste all the content in their game, they copy pasted the worst lore possible. Like...what?
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it, right?
When Hello Games learned, Bethesda wasn't paying attention, apparently.
Game developers don't play games so much anymore. Well actually they might start now considering most are getting laid off.
At least NMS has evolved and the ending and the lore behind it as expanded and it’s much more interesting once you get into the meatier parts, like Telamon and Atlantid… Unfortunately Bethesda copied the fat that NMS trimmed out lmao
@@dorkydragon5055it’d be more correct, and more relevant, to point out its just the directors who don’t. Programming and Modeling are some of the most prolific industries in the world right now, and you don’t pick game design, notorious for its difficulty for how much you’re paid, by accident. Most of the dudes responsible for making these games really like games, they just aren’t actually in charge of their design. They carry out orders from above, and the game ends up as it does because someone who really doesn’t care is calling the shots for someone who doesn’t even really understand games in the first place.
In that context, it’s kind of a miracle the games like these ever come out at all.
Message to all parents: GET Starfield for your kids!!! They will come back to you and say they'd rather do the dishes
This would work better if we didn't have a buttload of fantastic RPGs to play this year.
@@Fresch_K What fantastic RPG's? The last fantastic RPG I remember playing was Baldur's Gate 3, Kingdom Come Deliverance before that, Yakuza 0 before that, The Witcher 3 before that, Fallout New Vegas before that, Dragon Age Origins before that, Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines before that, Deus Ex before that, Chrono Trigger before that, didn't game much before that.
Kingdom Come Deliverance was particularly awesome as it felt like the events in that could have actually happened, New Vegas had the best freedom of personal agency and excellent writing, Witcher 3 aged like a fine wine, Bloodlines had an amazing setting and writing, Dragon Age had a very fleshed-out world, etc.
I haven't kept up with modern games much but Spider-Man 2 was AWFUL and the new God of War wasn't much better. To be frank, other than Baldur's Gate 3 giving me some hope for the future of gaming nothing else really has as that game has as much attention to detail as you can possibly fit into one title and was clearly a labor of love.
But for as good as Baldur's Gate 3 was Spider-Man 2 was so fucking terrible that it even made the first game on the PS4 look decent and the amount of padding and cutscenes in it made it feel like TLOU with superhero's and God of War Ragnarok was even worse, they both were so bad that I couldn't even bring myself to finish them and this is coming from a person who thinks that God of War 1 and 2 are masterpieces that were way ahead of their time on release.
You got to be careful though. It could turn your kid into one of those single celled organisms that unironically enjoy games like Anthem, Conan Exiles, FO76 etc.
@@fenrir6200 Oh lord lol! Or one of those Fortnite drones, god forbid people actually enjoy playing that crap.
Giga brained
I would add Starfield has the worst beginning of the story ever. It is basically, "Here are the keys to my spaceship miner, have fun!"
And then your boss tells you that you're too cool to work for her now. Lol
Yeah that’s … pretty fucking stupid, kinda how I was.. like hey you really just gonna give me your ship and your robot too? Like damn.
Not only this: Starfield is one of the worst game ever.
I mean, it took eight years to renam Death Claws into Terror Morphs and Dragonborn into Starborn?
It's all so boring, even the "villains" of the Crimson Fleet. An organization whose sole motivation - for decades - has been to steal a bag of gold? Who wrote that? A twelve year old boy? When I watch Cyberpunk, every single dialogue with Johnny Silverhand is more badass and deeper than anything Starfield has to offer.
And then the logic holes, for example the Hearts of Mars "quest":
Adventurers have been disappearing in search of the item for decades. Turns out it's three hundred meters away, in an absolutely empty cave. Bethesda clearly didn't want to make any effort.
Another problem is the lack of staging.
Saw a video yesterday where someone showed the scene on Neon where I'm traveling with Stroud to buy the artifact from a gangster. This was compared to the scene from Cyberpunk where I go to Maelstrom with Jacky to get the Flathead.
It seems like a Christian Bale film versus puppet theater.
The worst thing is that it makes no difference which dialogue option I choose. Bethesda's so-called quest always ends the same.
What did they do for eight years? Coffee cups and trash scattered around rooms?
@@Standgedicht the saddest part is the fact that many people will still defend that effortless sorry excuses for the game
Honestly it says a lot that nobody has talked about Starfield's story at all in the community
GrAPhiCs GoOD!
But I can glitch under the map and steal loot! SOOOOOOO FUn!!!!! 🤦♂️🤦♂️
But I can put a pot on someone's head and steal their lame loot!!!!!!!!
@@tylersingleton9284 graphics arent even good. they are ok and it runs like poop
Community of troglodytes. This game was terrible. So bad, I'm not even interested in mods for it.
I facepalmed when I found out you get powers that are basically Shouts and you become the Starborn
I initially thought the story was about aliens, that would have been better.
if it wasn't real i would have thought this was a joke post
I love skyfield
I saw that and thought it was a shitpost
I can't wait to play as the Hero of Starvatch
"Holy crap, you touched the macguffin rock and had generic space hallucinations? That means you're the hero. Take my ship, take my robot, take my wallet, fuck my wife, just take anything you need. You're the hero and I 100% trust you without hesitation. Go have fun saving the galaxy!"
Possibly the least compelling opening action I have ever seen in a story.
You know a story is terrible when you don't automatically come across spoilers on UA-cam on the day the game comes out.
the whole constellation could burn up in flames and i couldnt give 2 shits, matter of fact i wished they all would die except vasco
So true
Yeah the cancerous spoiler content creators for BG3 and cyberpunk are entirely absent. You are right, there is basically no market for the stor of this game and its the truest way of telling that its terrible.
RIGHT??
Huh. you know that is a pretty smart way to gauge how interested the audience really was about the story: people would only post spoilers on YT if they would get any views. This game doesn't even interest its fans
“There are a thousand planets to explore.”
It doesn’t matter how many there are if they’re all boring.
Starfield took the realistic approach in this regard.
@@Kintabl fair enough, but I’d honestly rather have five or six really interesting sandboxes than a million pre-generated infinite dust bowls.
@@youngarchaeotech189 Go play The Outher Worlds.
@@youngarchaeotech189 Well tbh Starfield is basically space Daggerfall, but somehow worse
@@Kintabl Are you sure about that? Every planet in the solar system is very interesting and it's pride to assume it's not that way in other places. The Pluto flyby (yeah I know NDT declared it's not a planet) revealed a lot of new information and it's a much more complex/interesting place then astronomers had thought. The James Webb telescope just moved back the age of the universe x3. Maybe you're just boring?
I just can't believe the utter unmitigated laziness and gall of just using the exact same Magic powers as Skyrim but calling you _Starborn_ this time.
Like, wow guys. Such effort. Must have taken years of meticulous world building to come up with that...
I mean, Dragonborn wasn't even their idea to begin with. Writers who've long since left coined the term. And all Bethesda did was go "just use that line of code again and call it starborn this time."
Some of the powers are literally the same. The exact same. Maybe even the same Spell IDs. I am just, utterly bewildered. The laziness. It's astonishing.
Sorry you had to find out this way but, all hes ever done is take other peoples ideas and hammer all the fun out of them.
Everytime he releases a main title, its less game and more experience. He takes out anything inconvenient for him and replaces it. With a generic mechanic from whatever is currently popular.
And everytime the new batch of morons heralds it as the best game ever. And the guys who played the last one don't like it as much.
There has only been two Elderscrolls and two Fallouts. Todd Howard pooped on them, called it art, and the public worships him for it!
Now I dread the possibility of Fallout 5 our character is the "Nukeborn"
@@aresdi90Didn't they already clone a Skyrim dragon in Fallout 76? A playable human with radiation breath doesn't sound so far-fetched anymore.
@@aresdi90 You're the chosen one of atom, of course
The hilarious thing about all these review videos is every single one has better story ideas than what we got in this game.
Emil Pagliarulo is a talentless hack who only has his job thanks to nepotism. As their head writer, he is the reason why Bethesda's stories and quest design are so terrible.
everytime i wipe my ass i get a better story idea than this
Starting to think the all team should be replaced with modder for all the visuals, gameplay, UI and stuff, and hardcore fans for the story ligne
When I see skyrim with nemesis engine for allowing more modern combat and animation system, and pfusher and other modders textures
+ all the quests mods in skyrim and fallout 4
To this day I still have no idea why it took so long to make this game.
I dont think it did put as much time into it than they say. Just another Bethesda lie.
Looks like they threw a year and a half into the game. This has got to be the bleakest game I’ve ever seen.
I think it was the engine updates that took up a significant chunk of the development time.
Try picking up a job as developer and you might
@@KebunH ok ivan
Well, this is what happens when your head writer only has his job because he's an old buddy of Todd's.
Oof really?
How does a person's friendship have anything to do with the quality of a story. Especially if the head writer didn't actually write the story, but had to oversee all the writers under them to make sure the story fits together...
Of course nepotism COULD be a negative indicator of talent
@@RaifSeverence in on itself it doesn't. however, if it is your only qualification, instead of let's say being good at creating interesting narratives and designing quests, it becomes a problems.
also let's be real, titles are hollow. he may only be credited as head writer, but if you actually think that's all he did, you aren't really familiar with the industry.
This game does everything it possibly can, at every possible level, to pull you out of the immersion.
So many brilliant female scientist underdog hackers who also have lesbian lovers
And in that, it succeeds admirably.
@@OrangeNashhow
Bethesda style of dialogue always does this imo
It hurts even more playing the new 2.0 for Cyberpunk. Which is amazing btw, all the skill trees were overhauled and are completely unique. There are like 30 different builds you can do its crazy. And then you have star field.... The newer game being outclassed by an expansion.
There was a point when I had done about half the temples and went : "Why is there no long rang communication in this universe? Why cant Vlad just call me and give me the fucking coordinates and why to I have to go through 4 loading screens to go to the lodge?". I finished Starfield and went back to play Cyberpunk 2.0 and holy shit the game is way smaller but the devs understand how useful a cellphone is.
They actually do explain this, even if it’s a bit annoying. Basically, Grav Drives are the only way to bend space, allowing “faster than light travel,” but that only works on matter, not energy, as the Grav Drive has to be attached to a physical object.
Tie a note around a pigeon and throw it in a probe.
@@MrBorisio Well, they do make a big announcements about courier and hauling services in the game even though they failed to put up a single postal office in there. There are countless of references of hauling those notes en masse.
@@kasm7870 that doesnt explain how you still need to go back and forth when the quest NPCs are in the same planet
I think I might buy that too.
After Barrett just handed me, a stranger his ship and it was cutscene after cutscene for everything from getting in the ship, taking off, flying to a planet...I returned the game for a refund with only 98minutes played.
Wise choice
You didn't miss anything.
I looked at my girlfriend and said, 'I would be pissed off if I paid full price for this game.'
No way I ever buy it for more than $20. I played it on Gamepass for $10 and still won't bother to finish it.
I actually purchased NMS right after this moment. It was in my wishlist for a long time, but I wasn't sure if it's worth it. Turns out it's definitely much better than Starfield.
I p*rated it... and still demanded a refund 😃
I like how the group of explorers are always just hanging out in their clubhouse and not out exploring.
So first 4 of the constellation members are available to be companions so since its a game, they have to be in a set spot for you to be able to recruit them. Second off, two other non compsnion memebers of constellations make direct refrence to going after artifactd, andreha and matteo, and to add onto that eklund shroud, you and him both go after one of the srtfiactd on neon. To add upon my mutliple reasons, barret goes to vectera to collect the artifat that he went out searching for. To further add upon reasson, in dialouge, sarah makes refrence to her being a member of uc navigator corp, a exploree group, she explains how she disliked tge group as they only liked discoverys that woyld make good news for ssnn. Since she did exploreing in the yc navigotr corp one may besble to infer that she did some exploring in constellation
Because they are the most self-aware Bethesda NPCs ever created. They know they are NPCs, they know that they have no actual agency or ability to affect change in their world. Their lot in life is wait for the player to show up and do everything for them.
@@LANDR3ZZY "Um well ackshually they have reasons the writers wrote for them to always be out not exploring"
@@LANDR3ZZY I like how this comment made you so upset, you typed out a paragraph, riddled with misspellings, just to suck off Bethesda, and make excuses for their bad storytelling and gameplay
@alberquiky1 why do you like it? Because you like seeing people with different opinions frustrated? Good for you, man. My guess is that if you sided with Hamas, you'd be hating anyone who gave Israel support. Or vice-versa.
I have no idea why they made this game the way they did. It feels like a lot of ideas with no physical representation in the actual world
because bethesda knows that a large majority of their casual player base cant even think on their own terms and they will consume what ever garbage is put in front of them so they make a terrible game that means nothing and still make millions off it
Bethesda keeps inching closer and closer to just making their games AI generated. Elder scrolls 6 is gonna be procedurally generated with quests being written by AI. Watch
Because it’s a Bethesda game
@@borginburkes1819 At this point the AI might come up with more creative content than Bethesda.
@@buschinpolen because the ai will steal from actually good writers
Imagine that half the game is just boot leg "lord of the rings" and "game of thrones/song of ice and fire"
Because thoes are 2 of the most popular fantasy stories and the ai just steals from it
It would be funny
I just love how during the main quest you got to a SCIENCE facility that is researching an artifact and it's causing pockets of universal divergence into two separate realities, and everyone is concerned that you stop the experiment before it gets out of hand............ and then once they do that they go "opp guess that's over. Here absolute stranger take the thing that can warp space and time, we'd have absolutely no interest in this now and wouldn't be worried about turning it over to anyone".
Well yeah you're the main character. The story couldn't happen without you. If you don't go help Preston Garvey is going to be trapped in that building FOREVER. If you just stayed in your cell like you should have everyone in Kvatch would have lived.
@@Drak976That's bad storytelling. No excuse
@@Drak976doylist answer to watsoniant complaint. It doesn't matter that you're the main character, the fact that others act so brain dead ruins the immersion.
I never expected great main story from Bethesda.... but side quests are also mostly dull, lame, uncreative (a few exceptions). Companions, NPCs in general, enemies, factions, locations... all generic, boring, uncreative, empty... space cowboys ffs. Like it was written by AI... for AI...
In the very beginning, when you are still in mines and get your first vision, I purposely chose to never tell anyone about the vision - I don't remember the exact lines I chose, but the bottom lines is nobody knows about your vision, they only know you lost consciousness.
5 minutes later Barrett lands on the mine and immediately tells me that he KNOWS I had visions, and people around don't even try to act surprised about his statement.
Not only your actions don't matter, but also your replies don't matter. That's a whole new level of lack of roleplaying.
I was worried that there'd be spoilers in this video, but as it turns out Starfield has no story, so it's impossible to spoil. GENIUS!
@@WiegrafFollesin this sense. If you distinguish "stuff that happens" From STORY, with story having character and plot arcs, then we can evaluate that starfield actually lacks a story because nothing has changed from the beginning to the end of the main story (versus say the pirate faction quest, which ends with the pirates either empowered or wiped out, which presumably alters the setting). Your character doesn't have an arc specifically because we have no idea what becoming starborn does to you. None of the other main characters have arcs either, or so weak as to be negligible
@@WiegrafFolles if you're willing to understand, this is easy to show
@@WiegrafFollesBecause Elden Ring has great lore,great side characters with an amazing setting.
It could be considered a spoiler, that there really isnt anything to spoil.
@@WiegrafFolles The story in souls games is more about the world itself, the main character (you) come in second.
It's why when people talk about it's story, they talk about the lore of the world/locations/items/bosses/npcs.
Then the second topic people talk about is the endings, what they mean for the world and what they mean to you as the player.
My least favorite line in the game is when you say you dont want to go to constellation and Lin, your boss, says “You don’t have a choice”
How about when the crimson fleet tells you "No one retires from the crimson fleet"...10 minutes later you meet like 4 retirees.
you mean boss lady lin*😂😂😂
You mean you don't like when your role playing game doesn't let you role play?
@@Swagtildawn Starfield is game with only perceived choice
I hate it because its basically auto failure. Its the same as playing a TTRPG and the DM asking you to roll something when even a max roll fails. Its pointless and often pisses off the player for wasting their time and energy on hoping for alternative outcomes
The starborn story should've ended with an epic space battle with all the allies youve made. So if you joined all factions theyd be there with you. All the settled systems against the starborn.
Wait thats mass effect 😂
Mass Effect 1 did everything better: better factions, better locations, better companions, better story, better exploration (they even had a planetary vehicle!).
That's New Vegas
Even though it's a copy still would've been more fun than what we got. I'd rather kill all the "Starborn" than help them.
I am convinced the main story was created by the board of directors.
Like people or ancient aliens or what? I don't even know anymore.
Or ai made it
That's exactly how this game was made.
*the bored Directors
What I love is how small these groups are. How do all these people know about a group of 6 people? Like your local bridge club being know across the universe.
Hahaha
Aaaaaand another one... For years no one was even thinking about exploring and now there is some group od explorers. Whats again their name? Constellation? Hey Johny you have to hear this one... Yeah if something so unusual and stupid happens usualy words can spread far and since it's been there for decades and Barret was traveling a lot it's most likely that lot of people heard about them. But just like Heller most of them though they are just a joke which is kid of realistic. People like stories
They play some mean bridge though
And the foken freestar rangers too. You're telling us they won a 16 year long conflict with the UC, which has security, navy, marine corps, etc. And then their whole entire security force consists of LITERALLY like 6 people? What?
@@iexist.imnotjoking5700 ehhh no... Freestar collective have literaly army. 1st Cavallery was their best unit and Freestar Rangers quest line have a lot of mentions about it. They were the ones using mechs. Rangers are more like cops with more authority.
I think the most depressing part is that this was supposed to be Todd's magnum opus.
thats why half the characters look like him?
Todd Howard is not only creatively and narratively bankrupt, he’s delusional. He failed upward and it got to his head. You only end up with Starfield if you either have an entirely incompetent writing staff, or everything cool your writers come up with is struck down by management.
They haven't made a single good game in the entire time he's been there. Skyrim is the really the same thing with a different theme. The combat in elder scrolls games is so embarrassingly horrible and honestly so is the actual role playing too.
@derpderpin1568 Skyrim is a masterpiece in my opinion, I've completed the game multiple times, and I still think it's amazing, it's true that it's full of bugs and shit, but bugs exist in every game, some are known by many some are not, but it's expected with a massive game like Skyrim, even though it came out in 2011
Todd's magnum opus is Morrowind. Last good game by him.
I'm really glad I am not the only person that thought it was weird that there were outposts and shit right next to some of those temples.
that is the procedural generation fucking up the lore, the story and the immersion.. worse I found was a Deserted UC Listening post 450 meters away from a temple, the listening posts front door was facing the temple directly.. massive UC military compund half a kilometer away from the temple and not one personnel who was stationed there ever investigated the temple or while the compound was been constructed 😂🤦🤷🏻♂️
They call it the "settled systems" so it seems like humans have at least landed on all the planets and moons around, but those floating rocks 500m from an outpost? Why explore that? Total mystery!
It’s so weird that there are outposts everywhere, since there are seemingly no logical reasons for people to settle on more than a handful of planets assuming planets are sized the same as IRL
The lore is almost not there. It's what draws you into the gaming world In fallout I get lots of theories about how the war happened, here the earth has disappeared and you don't or don't care (they could have had their Bethesda mass effect)
It's just laziness if you ask me Bethesda just rushed it😢
Knowing this, now I'm even more worried with Elder Scrolls 6's story
Lol with how terrible starfield was i wouldn't be surprised if they straight up forget some of the races they had in TES or something ridiculous like this.
No need to worry. It'll be awful. "We won't be beholden to something someone wrote 20 years ago," said the lead writer at Bethesda. All I need to know.
@@nathanmiller9918 oh god... I can already see it coming, the game takes place a year before the events in skyrim with playable dwemers and snow elves while dragons fly through the skies of hammerfell during a akaviri invasion, you are forced into the fixed role as one of the soldiers of Uriel septim XII.
The fact that you’re looking forward to ES6 means you have a serious m-en-ta l i||n3$$
@@brotbrotsen1100I just want a Summerset Isles game where we settle things with the Nazis (Thalmor).
In Skyrim, you are the literal chosen one of prophecy, destined to defeat a world-ending threat called Alduin THE WORLD EATER. Like, a time-bending dragon who EATS WORLDS. In Starfield, you are a random miner that stumbles onto a space rock and continues to collect them in order to... ? Do what? Trap themselves in a constant loop of collecting more space rocks (but in a different universe each time)???
Even in Fallout 4 (for all its flaws), there are at least personal stakes to the story - you gotta find your son. Todd gave us a 1,000 planets to explore but forgot to put a reason for it in the game.
Skyrim felt like there was something to work towards, like there were real goals, like there was real political strife, and it all made it feel like Tamriel really needed to be saved.
Skyrim was completely bare bones in pretty much every way but it did great at one thing, and that was vibe. The cool weapons you can find, the pretty places to explore, all the armor and jewelry you can collect, and especially the general setting. People hoard in skyrim because there's cool items that make you feel super cool and chosen. They explore in spite of the repetitive gameplay loop because places are interesting and have shiny loot. The story and characters are barely a framework but when you've got a shiny sword and those auroras floating overhead it's easy to lose yourself in the roleplay and make the characters and gameplay better than bethesda ever could. Starfield doesn't have any of that style
Skyrim does nearly everything wrong but it manages to be fun anyway because of good visual design and making it feel like a place people lived in and cared about. Starfield just seems like a vast emptiness
@@molluscumloreexactly, that's what I think of the game too. The world was believable and detailed
@@molluscumlore Personally, I love Skyrim's combat in particular. It feels visceral and immersive, without any of that Witcher-esque, rolling-around nonsense. Learning to slash and block is simple, and the game doesn't demand that you learn a lot of complicated mechanics. For many, that's a flaw -- but it was perfect for me.
And even Skyrim was a insult to rpg gamers lol
I liked how the game was trying to make it seem like the starborn are aliens with advanced technology like the ships and spacesuits yet they use weapons i can grab off any spacer
It's exactly these kinds of details which differentiate a bad or mediocre game from a great game. Competent and passionate developers care about such details to make their game world feel genuine, grounded and make sense, which creates true immersion. Starfield is utterly shallow and generic in these regards, all uninspired, carelessly cobbled together veneer with no deeper thought or substance behind it.
It's so obviously a vast but ultimately pointless generic sandbox with all story and RPG elements clearly being just a tacked on afterthought to give the entire thing the illusion of having an actual point.
Imagine if the meth in breaking bad was normal clear white color meth.... but everyone talked about it as if it was some how distinctive among all the other meth.... that's why it be blue
bro really had to make a breaking bad reference@@reapthewhirlwind6915
when the hunter gave me a rifle I was expecting it to be this alien looking thing but it was just a normal laser rifle, really took me out of it
A ship and suit can materialise out of no where but you can't bring anything with you to the new universe.
When it was revealed that the starborn were humans from alternate dimensions my first thought was "I wonder how they're going to explain them having all this cool alien tech". And they just...don't.
Same when you meet the Unity and expect some answers about who built all this and it just says "yeah cool go do new game plus"
I saw footage of a dialogue option, I think with Barrett, asking about the technology. What answers do they give if you ask about where the technology came from?
@@trisbane4086 "it was provided by the unity and is beyond your understanding! Don't pay any mind to the fact you can blow 3 of our super special multiversal magic ships up in a single fight with your conventional ship."
@@MFenix206the star born ship you get on NG+ is the worst ship in the game
They tell you about the creators and that maybe you'll meet them if you reach unity enough times. But as of right now NG+10 was highest tier reward and no one has met a creator yet.
I just don't understand how Bethesda hasn't learned to structure quests in a better way. Some of them are really good like the brotherhood in Oblivion, but it doesn't happen enough. Bioware and CD Project Red have been doing quests amazing for years and they should have taken some inspiration from them.
Is not that is a hard concept, they basic idea is, make the side-quest part of the story, like the Witcher jobs or V mercenary contracts, also, not make your character the centre of the universe.
Hubris. They've spent the last decade releasing the same game and getting praised for it.
I feel like it has something to do with the fact Starfield has 1 credited writer. I can't seem to find any others.
@@blulikefriendlyhit1213At least the Fallout and Elder Scrolls games are unique enough and have decent stories at best, they're all above average, even 76. Starfield... They just QUIT on all effort. They stopped caring. Or they still care, just not about Starfield, it is just a test bed for the engine and ES6 and Fallout 5. THAT makes sense.
@@karlthorsten9118 Wholeheartedly agree. TES and Fallout both are held by their worldbuilding, while Starfield is just "let's see how many clichés can we put in this game".
If this is a test for the engine, I have NO HOPE for TES6, as Starfield was pooy optimized for the incredibly outdated graphics it had
I think the story could've been more interesting if it were set during the colony war.
Vastly more interesting - but it would have been a lot more work! lol
Bethesda can't make that. Hate to deffend Ubisoft but they could.
@@Zodroo_Tint modern day ubisoft’s idea of a story is constant base raiding
@@tylergodfrey312And making new Ass ass sin's cringe games🤢
If they did that, the game would literally be Skyrim in space. Come on, UC vs FSC? Imperials Vs Stormcloaks? "Powers" that half are literally copy pasted from Skyrim's shouts?
Starfield is trying to have a story that screams "Go out and explore" while having star wars levels of lived in.
but what do you ever explore tho
@@Calbeck not sure, been playing it for a couple weeks now, discovered 1 quest that was memorable and fun and the ship builder is fun to screw around with but the rest is kind of meh
@@CalbeckRocks.
I haven’t played the game but at least Star Wars has lost civilizations and planets. From what I’ve learned the civilizations in this game aren’t even old enough to have things like that.
Maybe Disney Star Wars levels.
Playing through 2077 right now, and damn if that game doesn't do EVERYTHING to present good reasons for things, interweave group interests in missions, give characters their own body language, utilize gestures and micro-expressions, produce pressure during confrontations etc., etc.
Like, when talking to Dex at the Afterlife, T-Bug sits in a super peculiar, deliberate way. She stretches and moves like someone who doesn't get to move in her job and never has IRL customer contact. Judy and Evelyn talking are so blatantly concerned about each other and speak in a manner that strongly suggests their history, but never states it when you meet them.
The game has you move, crawl, stand, sit etc. in ways specific to the situation all the time.
Everything about the world, the story, the people makes so much sense. I have a fight with Johnny Silverhand while crawling over my apartment floor, noticeably barely conscious. I have discussions with several people who get carefully framed to stand and walk naturally in my field of view. People touch me, get in my face, punch and jostle me, stand up mid-conversation because they get distracted... And then Starfield does the Oblivion snap-to-dialogue chamera zoom. To deliver a story where only the player actually acts.
It's happened 😭 my fave game of all time is getting the recognition it deserves after the much heralded 2.0
Yeah, if only DCPR actually released the game in the state it is now it would be fine. Expect the next Witcher to also release in a broken ass state.
Cyberpunk is trash too. Absolute slop.
what RPG makes cyberpunk like trash, cause I would totally play that game. Is there one out there with an even more immersive story?@@BBeowulf
@@daniellittle3249 depends if you mean recently or all time and what kind of RPGs you enjoy? There’s very few modern games I actually enjoy.
If we are talking recently then Baldur’s Gate 3 is probably your best bet if you haven’t already played it.
If you talk to Sarah enough she'll admit that it's frustrating not to have experienced what you and Barrett did when touching the Artifacts for the first time in the rocks. And yet she can be with you when you grab more and have more visions.
"Oh no, you take this one too. Experience this life altering mind bending unexplained reaction again."
It’s only the first to have pulled it out of the ground
@@Big.steppa.reese0i think their point is how weird it is for sarah to be like "dang, i kinda wish i saw those visions" but when u find a new artifact, that no one has touched yet, there's no option to let sarah touch it first
@DIGITALGH0ST dont give explanatory assistance to the bots that are trolling people with dumb questions
@@SobeCrunkMonster
You think that's bad? Half way through Andreja's companion questline she spontaneously forgets that you're also a worshipper of the great serpent or can be in general even if you didn't take the trait. You get like 3 dialogue trees from your possible wife about how your soul is doomed because you're a heathen.
The entire faction got done dirty to be fair this is barely scratching the surface of what must be cut content.
200 years in the future and they basically have fallout 4 technology lmao
@mrhorizongamingchannel1719
There's lots of stuff that we have now that's more advanced, like those guns that let you shoot around corners.
No one ever uses drones in starfield? Not even for security?
Most weapons would probably have safety features so only the owner can use it, unless you hack it or something.
I'm surprised they don't have a dart gun or syringer.
Just more futuristic stuff
@@TheFreshTaker not even mentioning the lack of vehicular transportation on terrestrial planets... Something we literally have today in our world.
Akila City looks like worse RDR2 💀
Cyberpunk is an alternative universe 50 years into the future and its way more futuristic than Starfield.
@@mrhorizongamingchannel1719 300 years ago we had front loader guns and bows were still in use because the guns were not that good. 300 years later I want to see guns with some kind of energy-matter conversion like it was in the starship troopers game, no reloading, just shooting. Reloading is for today not for the future.
Also I want to see small weapons with variable shooting capabilities like handguns what can shoot single or rapid, can shoot weak (like 9mm) or strong (like 45cal) and can shoot one or several bullet like a shotgun, I want an universal handgun like anno it was in the wild west, except it is 400 years after wild west and the guns are like multitools.
Whats really weird is that the UC Vanguard makes for an infinitely better main questline than the actual main questline. You got all the right pieces: A galaxy-wide threat that can wipe out humanity. Compelling characters with backstories that are relevant to established lore and history. A few twists and surprises in the narrative.
Its truly baffling that they went with this collectathon nothing story instead.
nooo but then you'd be forced to join the starship troopers faction, the scouts club in bed with the rich is clearly way better!
I was doing UC questline as my second faction and was really enjoying it and I thought "wow, the main quest line will probably be even better!". Well...
I thought the Vanguard was going to be almost all space combat, since it kind of sets it up like that. I was beyond disappointed when my first mission was going bug hunting.
@@Eleglas honestly I was hoping that the terrormorph would actually be scary but it's just a bullet sponge
Was really hoping that they would have gone all out on that it would be sick if you could rebuild londinion.
It's actually impressive that given a blank canvas, they come up with the blandest story yet
It was so terrible it made the Fallout 4 main quest look like a masterpiece.
@@PeakDennisReynolds At least fallout 4 had vaguely compelling reasons for conflict. You know the ABCs of storytelling.
You nailed it. It's truly terrible to the point I am angry. Feels like a project where everyone creative was scared to speak thier mind
Or were overruled but thought whatever, i need the paycheck
I find it more likely that the shareholders didn't want anyone taking risks, especially in the story and gameplay and visual departments, which never goes wrong when it comes to creativity.
@@SaturninePlacesshareholders don’t even think about creative decisions and story, their minds are not capable of grasping actual human concepts.
@@SaturninePlacesBethesda is owned by Microsoft… there is no shareholders. Do you even know what that means lol?
No need to get worked up about it, friend. But I agree, it's supremely disappointing and feels like it was entirely written during the writer's strike.
I don't understand why people still believed Todd.
It just works!
After the canvas bags, the Nuka-cola rum, the failed state of Fo76 on launch, things like the nuke codes not even being randomized (and multiple crashes the entire server, for everyone) then before that, Fo4 having a paper-thin main story... they have been using the same formula since Skyrim.
so why did we buy it over and over and over? It's not okay for the company to behave like that, but if we show them they'll make money regardless, I feel like that's partly on the consumer. they're not interested in being famed and acclaimed artists for years from now, they aim to turn a profit and it succeeds.
@AdamOwenBrowning you forgot about the awful launch of every single game they have ever made including skyrim and the fact that the same bugs still exist in their games after 2 decades. The other stuff is minor in comparison
Well he's good at talking.☺
250 hours in. Starfield is what I was set up to expect it to be. I have enjoyed it a lot. Simple as. I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the game. You're entitled to your opinion.
I disagree that there was a morality choice. The game was utterly nihilistic. There was no point to any of it, no values or morality, just one guy making baseless claims, and the other guy making obviously nihilistic claims. But the "good guy" was no more moral than the "bad guy".
Moral choices in games generally aren't very good though. You can't make morality a binary choice it has to be nebulous and confusing or its obvious.
That said, Thats not the lesson Todd gets from history. No, he learned, there is no morality! Almost certainly because that's easier and he thinks its deep.
@@GnohmPolaeon.B.OniShartz to be fair though I highly doubt Todd contributed anything to the narrative.
This is why you have the Fuck both of your factions faction.
not sure if we saw the same video, but that was his sentiment exactly lmao
Skyrim just felt real. The choices you made felt like they mattered. The world felt so alive. Starfield just looks dull and boring. Why would I escape into a world, that’s just more dull and boring than the real one?
What's hilarious is that there's literally a planet (where vlad lives) with like tons of lovecraft like giant alien looking fossils with tentacles and all. There's even posters of creatures around the world with the message "who are they" and "they are coming". They had a good plot right there, AND the ancient temples right there to make it all work, but decided to go with the most random non-explanation non satisfactory shit ever. Even the NG+ is lazy as hell. What could have been great? going through NG+ a couple times noticing things getting stranger, bleaker and weirder only to reach a true ending to which at some point the protagonist ends somewhere they weren't supposed to be in a bleak desolute lovecraftian like world filled with monstrosities and cultist. ANYTHING would have been better than what we got. Bethesda is completely bankrupt on ideas and it's time they clean house of their boomer writers. Because the one they got has zero imagination whatsoever
Also hilarious how none of the factions care about your powers at all lmao. One guy/girl running around with magic powers in a universe where governments try to use different species in xenowarfare, and absolutely none of them care about this special human who can magically bring stuff back to life. Don't even mention it, the only time you hear about your powers is companions reacting to them. Bethesda thought like nothing out at all.
The NG + idea sounds cool but it wouldn't be a good mechanic for something that is supposed to be a massive open world game. Would fit a shorter more story focused game.
"Story" is generous.
Its Todd's fanfic of our favorite spacey-shooty games but- todd isn't very thinky-painty hes more- a thingy wanty- a takey breaky. so he's too inept to realize he's ripping off an already devoid creative idea. By picking the stuff we liked the most leastish because it was easy.
More like a pale imitation of a story. A pseudo-story.
@@axelhopfinger533like a rumor
@@GnohmPolaeon.B.OniShartzalso the whole "starborn" thing is so stupid. Ripped that shit straight out of Skyrim. Todd can’t resist the urge to sell us Skyrim again
@changedmyname5228 it could’ve been implemented well, I mean multiversal godlike brings from alternate timelines sounds cool but it’s poorly written
I was initially underwhelmed when it was revealed that the Death Claws were now called Terror Morphs. In eight years of development, they haven't come up with anything else? But it's not just the Death Claws, they've also adopted the dragon screams. And the dragonborn are now called starborn.
the terrormorphs arent even a threat, not once have they charged me and been a threat beyond making my character hear some random voices and being bullet sponges
@@fawkyou2001 The terror morph voice sequence was one of the few things I actually quite liked tbh. Something about a giant, gross, monster softly speaking to you telepathically with a threatening message was kind of cool.
@@codyvandal2860 I do agree that as a concept its cool, its part of the reason I like the annihilation bear mimicking its victims but in practice it just ends up being a telepathic alien that stands still and tries to speak to you
@@fawkyou2001 Yeah and just like most things in the game feels like a wasted opportunity.
& The planet system is a new kind of dungeon system - but above the ground
Never seen a 'game of the year' fall off as fast as Starfield. Literally everywhere on launch, two weeks later there are more people playing and watching Roblox.
To be fair Roblox will never die, you have tools to make any game in Roblox if you have the time and knowledge. You can play Starfield in Roblox.
@@Unchainedful yeah probably a bad example to be honest, roblox is GOATED. My son absolutely loves it.
Wait fr?
Thats because bethesda isnt capable of making games of the year anymore, its just microsoft marketing ploy
@@itzJuztThomas Also roblox is the most/one of the most popular games in history. Playerbase is in the hundreds of millions.
its actually funny how in week 1 of the game, every nonsense twitch streamer was playing this game and the next week its completely forgotten in the abyss of games that were hyped and never played again.
This! Nobody on earth talks about or mentions Starfield in any discussion anymore 😂💀. The game might as well not exist at all.
I mean, that's how it works for all bad games. First week is people trying it out, and then they realise it's trash and drop it
wrong, this game was gassed up and lied about more than most other games in history. Many of the streamers were putting on fake faces to keep the gravy train flowing. All of that is being promptly memory holed now since everyone knows the game is terrible now @@blulikefriendlyhit1213
they are still playing it
The single most annoying thing is the amount of dialogue options which starts a fight with essential NPCs which you can't kill.
It's literally just bricking your save in certain areas.
Yes, the amount of those dialogue options makes me think that the choice to make absolutely every named NPC essential was done after all dialogue was written, and the dialogue was never adjusted. I think the reason they decided on it was because the NPCs are glitchy and braindead and would all probably die off-screen if they could.
Got into an early fight on the UC vigilance. Despite the battle being an absolute push over, there wasn’t anything to be done, as you can’t kill Ikande early, or take over the ship, or *do anything* that would divert Todd’s ordained plot.
@@trisbane4086Yeah, but they could have used the 'protect' flag, so that only the player could kill them.
@@trisbane4086 even then it would be pretty easy to make essential characters die ONLY to player damage
I think the new game plus falls off too cause they introduce the fact that you have knowledge already on the world and the things that are going to happen but then you go along in some quests having the same dialouge options as before “not knowing” crucial stuff you have already learned. Like the United Colonies quest with the terramorphs and what they are
RIGHT?! That would’ve be a huge and awesome trait that I think would’ve been a giant plus to the score I give to the game. Completely different endings to quests, or at least skipping parts completely thanks to prior knowledge. But no, half baked and scuffed, the magic Bethesda touch.
You know, the setting is not even bad. Very good backdrop for space opera. What makes this awful is that we can look at games that came 10-15 years prior like Mass Effect trilogy that has that character recruitment, daddy problems, mysterious stuff, visions from artifact, different style places and cities... and basically most of the intelligent aliens are just humans that look different. And more daddy problems. Why take any direction from this approach.
Then there are franchises like Star Wars and Star Trek that have fleshed out worlds and plenty of fan fiction around them. Bethesda could have gone to some forums and mix and mash these fanfic things and use it in creative ways.
But no, Bethesda decided to do something new, but apparently was out of ideas because the end result is bland, characters are colourless and tasteless, the plot has no internal logic whatsoever.
What I suspect is that once again Bethesda relies on modders to overhaul this trainwreck. Basically fan fiction will be the way for this game anyway, just that Bethesda couldn't be bothered to even copy the fan fiction themselves.
The terrormorph quest was stupidly easy to guess. She literally says it must hitch a ride on ships as a seed or egg and go undetected. There is only one alien in the entire universe that does that and is everywhere AND it has the same face. That quest is filled with the trappings of a really bad writer who genuinely thinks they are smarter than you and everyone else that will play it. They think that little of you. Who could have done the terrorist attack? Lets ask the war criminal, it couldnt be him after all!
It's just half assed like the rest of the game, not surprising at all. Making you a character in a new protagonist's story would have been an interesting way to do it.
The part that broke me in the story (after "we just met, take my starship") was when you were trying to figure out where the traveler was. When you had to put the clues together to find his planet.
I seriously had to put the controller down and rub my temples and say things like, "You were so close Bethesda. You almost did something clever. But no. You had to shit yourself at the finish line.".
Rather that using the scripture about two people fighting for something like 4 solar years and 140 days to pinpoint a planet based on it's solar year and rotation, they decided to say it was its GPS coordinates.
For context our latitude and longitude was decided by the man who invented it. That is why 0 longitude goes through Greenwich England.
They really, REALLY needed to include some scientific advisors into more of the game.
The writing is such ass.
The issue is scientific advisors, and good writing costs monnnneyyyyy. They already dumped most of their budget on the graphics, they need to make a turn over somehow.
@@Electronica27 Actually looked this up later. The planets are given longitude and latitudes based on their poles. The point still stands though.
They have made games in the past that had good writing. They are probably too big now too take chances on writing interesting plot not. Gotta make the safe money.
Still. The first time I met Adjana I was like “Your definitely Va’Ruun.”
Then later she says she is a Va’Ruun spy.
Alright… then why are they attacking you? No. No dialogue option for that? Alright.
As for graphics. They are using the same engine as Fallout 4 brother. Lol
@@OmegaUberDeathbotthe "too big to innovate" sentiment is like a death siren for game studios and I don't know why they like to ignore it so much. I really hope bethesda get some new talent and shake things up for es6 or they'll be going down the same way as ubisoft
@@смрш what could they even do about it? It’s not like they can fire everyone, that’s a lawsuit. They can’t fire their board, they are stock holders.
Eventually entertainment companies all stop innovating and start producing bland, paint by numbers, vanilla ice cream.
@@OmegaUberDeathbotI mean... The Andreja question is easy. Cause they're zealots and she isn't. She's not the right kind of Va'Ruun to them.
This doesn't make the Pilgrim thing good writing but when you realize that Aquilis IS the Pilgrim it kinda makes it seem like he was just proud of his silly little puzzle he made.
Every time I see a game like this, the entire marketing of starfield, the grandeur, the epic scale of the universe, I think to myself "how will they be able to tell that story?" I feel like you'd have to create a story that is enthralling philosophically even outside of the game, create something fantastic asking questions about the universe, life, meaning and our place in the world. And I always think that to archieve this must be really difficult, I wonder how they'll do it.
Turns out these games never do, they never archieve that goal. Destiny looked like it could for a while, but then after forsaken its philosophic themes also started to decline.
I just want a space game where humanity realizes that there is no peace with the aliens and that they should be wiped out for more real estate. Considering what humans do to each other I don't see us shaking hands with the aliens.
Some games do it, but not "these". I'm loving Sunless Skies and Planescape torment recently for deep lore and philosophy
Destiny’s story is still great, and still has tons of themes like that. Their 2022 release showed that the silent, seemingly benevolent god the entire game is based around is not quite as straightforward as we thought, and that its does not have humanity’s best interest in mind, only its own. It just so happened that until then, humanity was its best choice to further its own survival.
@@thewerepyrekingFinally some love for Sunless Skies. The game is truly a hidden gem.
How’s Planescape though? It’s been on my radars for a while, especially after BG3. Should I check it out?
@@MK_ULTRA420 how about a game where we're the aliens and the enemy revealed at the end were humans
They have Emil as the lead writer still, so this wasn't really a surprise as much as it was an expected disappointment.
what else did he write
@@bencatzilla Skyrim, Fallout 3 and Fallout 4. His biggest crime was when he literally just flipped Fallout 3’s story around for Fallout 4. Instead of a son looking for his dad, you’re now a dad looking for his son. We don’t deserve his creative genius.
@@Jack10016skyrims main story was also its weakest. Somehow made an apocalyptic dragon boring.
I thought Emil resigned as the writer or even from Bethesda entirely a while ago?
@courier6960 you're right he isnt the lead writer, hes the goddamn lead Designer now
I feel part of the problem is. This is a Bethesda original. They had to create all the lore themselves. With fallout, they had pre existing lore (written by someone else) to base their game off of. RIP Bethesda.
Yeah, BGS is done. Hopefully someone with some talent buys the Fallout and TES franchises.
For me Fallout has the best lore of the current BGS titles and that’s entirely thanks to the original creators. I do enjoy BGSs take on Fallout but it’s objectively gotten worse since they started with 3 (NV not included). 76 is bad, 4 is okay, and 3 is good. The lore is fantastic but BGS is squandering the potential.
I do enjoy TES titles from time to time but BGS still has hits and misses there.
Star field is definitely their worst attempt at building lore for an original story. It’s very bad.
Yes, the first Fallout is bleak, the second one is bleak but funny at same time Fallout 3 is serious with some wacky moments, NV is back to the roots, but the difference bis that you have a lot of choices that would make the game goes from hopeful to bleak.
Like you can enlist BoS to fight alongside NCR, or you can literally join Cesar and enslave everyone surprisingly helping Mr. House may be the better option of all considering that his plans were rebuild civilization back to the point where was left before the war, he was the only one with a vision for the future of mankind in Fallout world.
Fallout 3 is a good game but nothing remarkable aside the fact that was the first time we saw a looter shoter rpg.
Fallout 4 was way more hype than game and Fallout 76 was a disaster.
The reason why TES Lore is good is that Micheal Kirkbirde won’t most of it and had wild ass ideas.
@@efxnews4776 idk why people hate on FO4 so much. It was just as good as NV and 3.
It's like they added another dimension to the "Why is there fresh fruit and lit torches in this dungeon that no one has been in in hundreds of years?" problem the previous games had.
Got that exact same reaction seeing a carton of milk in the prison that have been abandonned for decade... "pasteurised for maximum freshness" lol.
World building has never been Bethesda's strong point.
@@bchin4005 Absolutely untrue; it was the main strong point of TES. It had flaws, yes, but was the main focus and the main reason people loved them.
@@BWMagusno it wasn’t, speak for yourself
@zeikers You play that dumb anime game where the woman has a blindfold on with white hair. It's so irrelevant I forgot the name of it 😂 no offense sorry 😅
the best bit is that since the entire game is finding out the mystery of the "Artefacts" and then becoming a Star Child and reincarnating in another universe.. your only option once reincarnated is to.. hunt down the Artefacts so you can Reincarnate again, its so absent of anything else that since the whole motive is this plot, why would you want to reincarnate?
Skyrim's story was generic and played it safe in a lot of ways, but at least the side quests were a lot of fun, and the world was ripe for exploring even when you weren't doing a quest. You could just walk around from city to city have interesting stuff happen. In Starfield I just felt like I was fast traveling to different map markers and running through cities to markers. I never felt that sense of wondering what's around the next corner. I was just checking things off my quest list.
I lost interest after about 8 hours. Ironically someone told me that it doesn't start getting good until 30-40 hours in like what? It's a BGS game, they would have never intended to make a game that doesn't grip you from the beginning and take you on a ride, so I'm left to assume they tried to do that and failed with me.
Skyrim is the last of what was already written down for the Elderlores. Its about 30% elderscrolls and 100% other peoples ideas. Todd's pretty much out of Elderscrolls and Fallout to steal off of and they're both becoming generic RPGs as a result.
And I'm pretty sure thats why we got Stansfield. He saw a big empty whole in the market so he picked up His Dragonborn. And His fallen-out. And tried to make the spacers choice of no mans sky by way of elite dangerous and the idiot took all the boring stuff from all of them and just slapped the druggyburn up as his protagonist again but also lamer.
The side quests in Skyrim were NOT fun. Other than like 2-3 quest lines, most were incredibly dull and meaningless. At least imo.
Scanning is the best gameplay mechanic since shimmying across ledges and repeatedly clicking the X or A button to open a door
Definitely. And if you go NG+, it wipes out all of your scanning data. I spent so many hours scanning things. Same with building my various ships. Then I get to NG+ and it's all gone. Worst incentive to do NG+ of all time.
@@TheGavrael Wtf. that sounds like a punishment to NG+
NG+ screams “we have no more ideas. Please play the game again to continue having fun.”
Lol modern gaming
gonna be honest here, the twist was disappointing to me. i was really hoping the starborn were actually aliens when i first encountered them but nope, they are just humans from another universe.
I got to the multiverse part and then just checked out. I'm so tired of multiverse stories.
@@grigoris.7732After ten NG+ you will blast anything you see if it annoys you a little bit, NG+ is interesting, but i find boring as fuck, now i am a traumatized Starborn
It may be getting over done but no where near as bad as the zombie trend that went on for a decade. I personally liked the way they worked the new game plus into the story.@@grigoris.7732
Agreed! I thought it was incredibly lame. I mean is that the best a huge company like Bethesda can come up with?!
@@eddyk564 and whats more is that they had 2 extra years when microsoft bought them
I think its incredible that you are supposed to be an explorer, a scientist, and are not able to ask questions. "Hey starborn, how many universes have you been through? Have you found any info on who made the artifacts? Hey, higher being in the unity, who are you? Do you know whats up? Do the starborn appear where the artifact they first touched is located in the new universe? Why do i always spawn at the same point in time?"
The Starborn could've been way cooler in concept. Imagine having to race against these near-omnipotent people to gather the artifacts, before they potentially erase your universe and move on. It would also give narrative weight to choosing New Game plus and allow you to interact differently with the Starborn on the future run. Sadly it's impossible because that requires effort.
What do you mean give narrative weight to choosing new game plus?
@@alphamineron You'd be just as bad as the other Starborn, destroying your universe to selfishly gain power.
Like the idea
@@-Meatlorf SHIT that would of been so good. damn that dissapoints me on a whole new level
The starborn are less intimidating and interesting than team rocket from pokemon
My biggest gripe as well. From the get go, you immediately have everything you need. Here, have a ship. Here have a crew, here have an entire discovery team. Who have been searching for these rocks for God knows how's long. And you find several all within a few hours of game time.
Right? They probably re-worked it because zoomers can't be bothered to work for anything.
@@NoPhilosopherhow tf did you end up blaming this on zoomers?
I think they dumbed down the mechanics for low-attention players
@@NoPhilosopher Ah okay. But I think it's Besthesda themselves that literally can't do better. Low attention players need engaging mechanics not dumbed down mechanics. So can't blame this on the players.
My favorite thing lately has been videos deconstructing Starfield and there is just no end to how much of a failure this game is. Storyline, world building, npc interaction, dialogue, menu screens, loading screens the list goes on and on.
Yeah, just like Cyberpunk in 2020. But look at it now.
You are just a typical hater, you probably don't even play it, you're just cheering for game to fail.
@@Kintabl Cyberpunk is still pretty shit, and it had great aspects on release. This game has none of that, you've just spent too much time in it to accept the sunk cost. Isn't it projecting to comment on people actually criticizing a game while you brainlessly defend a company that doesn't care at all about you (or making a good game)?
@@Kintabl No amount of bugfixes can ever fix a bad story or an empty open world experience, it did not work for Cyberpunk 2077.
If i were to pick between actual good games being released and having fun playing them instead of getting my entertainment from videos deconstructing just how bad games are getting, i of course would pick the first one. Howeever deconstruction videos are the byproduct of a industry that does not cater to it's audience anymore.
Fans of gaming for years are being left behind only to be replaced with more impressionable youths that have no way of telling what games are good or bad since they have a limited frame of reference. Basically what i am saying you might not know how good games used to be and if you don't know that then you can't tell how much garbage Cyberpunk or Starfield really is you are lacking a frame of reference.
Furthermore the hype is greater than before and it is easy to be swept away with it. Gone are the days of game being released and then reading a review on it later on which you may or may not agree with. Now however it's all about youtube personalities if some random youtuber says a game is good you are likely to accept it blindly. Which is what the hype is meant to do. It makes you turn of all critical aspects of your mind and accept whatever current trending sponsored sold out dickhead youtuber says about a game. Like your act mans or gmanlives, both of which applauded and defended Starfield despite the fact that the game looks ugly, has a boring story, uninspired dialogue and in all honesty is not a worthwhile mention at all when it comes to gaming.
If there were no hype around that game and it did not come from a popular developer it would have been mocked right from the start by practically everyone for this half assed amateurish attempt at a space sim without the depth of an actual space sim and an rpg without the depth of an actual rpg where player choices matter and the whole point of an rpg is to let the player decide what he does and have an impact on the events surrounding the player, that is the whole freaking point of an rpg which stands for ROLE PLAYING GAME you play a role and it is you who should be able to decide what you do in your role.
Neither games mentioned let you play a role you just follow waypoints and either kill or talk to someone at the end of the waypoint and then return to the quest giver. You think anyone really just wants games to fail? No everyone wants games to be good but the games just fail and fail and fail again only to be defended by shills and deluded people swept up by the hype.
@@SaturninePlaces Lol you play baldurs gate, sit down soy chugger.
@@Kintabl I would literally rather cyberpunk on a ps4 then play an hour or snorefield thst game fails in every sense of the matter and should be recalled and refunded lol and cyberpunk is better now because the devs actually care about it… stinkfield will be the same game in 5 years from now soulless empty 2010 level game
Even a majority of the side quest turned out awful. There were several that were super interesting concepts like the lost colony ship and the famous people clones. But both quest are wrapped up super quick with no real satisfying outcome
from what i've seen the companion quests just kind of wrap up offscreen as well.
The AI ship one was the most interesting. It was also super short.
I adore the “Bethesda” rpg experience here, but you perfectly put into words why I was kinda miffed approaching the end of the main quest. There’s no agency or sense that anyone even gives a shit.
My lack of agency in this game is my biggest disappointment. Like when I first entered the key I just went around and killing every pirate only to realise that you can't kill off a faction and have to follow whatever questline Bethesda has provided.
"RPG" is what Should be in quotes when describing Bethesda games lol
you collect rocks ! what's there to give a shit about ? Even Bethesda themselves don't give a shit about it.
@@ktk44man"fuck around sim"
My god when the creation kit comes out for this game the smoke and mirrors are going to be massively evident
For me the illusion fell apart when i realized that space travel is just fast-travel and space is just a skybox with planet.jpg
This is what took them 8 years to create?
Tons and tons of time spend procrastinating being undecided, changing design choices then realizing it didn't work and then reverting back again, realizing the engine was outdated and trying to fix the graphics. Basically, this is what happens when there is no core leadership with a solid vision about what the game could be.
No, they also created the next three DLC drops.
@@eddyk564it really isn’t outdated but if that’s what you choose to believe then go ahead. Starfield uses creation engine 2 which fallout 4 does not use
@@johnb.8977 That's not what I meant. I was referring to the development time being so long because they likely had to fix the graphics at some point due to the development going on so long (and graphical standards improving in that time)
@@johnb.8977 If they can't make an open-world game without a dozen loading screens between hub areas and small interiors in 2023 while the game still runs like shit, then it is outdated. It still has the same limitations as Oblivion 17 years ago.
I gained the power to control gravity and nobody in constellation seemed to care.
It would be awesome if the Starborn referenced your ability to save and reload the game as an ability that all Starborn have. A meta explanation for that would be very interesting.
Like in Morrowind lol. their own game
you're just using the power of Akatosh
Yes! Given that Starfield is a thin veneer of space ideas over Skyrim and CHIM was already in Morrowind you would think they would come to that conclusion as well. That's a great idea unfortunately Bethesda has become allergic to good ideas.
Yes, Starfield would be much better if it was Undertale.
I attempted to play it, after the 4 hour mark I stopped and have no inclination to boot it back up again. Compared to RPGs like BG3 or even indie games like Disco Elysium, Starfield feels immensely boring to me.
Really great video breaking everything down, I'm glad I didn't put more time into it.
First mistake was expecting Bugthesda to actually have a good writing staff.... A number of their writing talent left after morrowind when Todd took over replacing Weaver who was forced out by zenimax, then the rest jumped ship after Oblivion.
This game is very much affraid that player will shut off the game because they aren't given a ship to control in the first few minutes. However I think, it would've been more impactful to have Barrett fly WITH you and test you if you could control the ship, instead of giving it to you, still preserving the tutorial bit. This ship should've been a reward for completing the quest and joining the Constellation itself, as perhaps all recruits could have their own ships, and you'd have to work for it a little.
I don't understand why Starfield is so affraid to, at first, constrain the player to New Atlantis and let them uncover layers of the constellation itself and how it operates.
It would've been so rewarding having Sarah say "So Barrett tested you? You can control the ship well then? Alright. It's time for you to earn the right to fly it without our guidance!".
I agree with everything in this video though.
"Remember how all people looooved getting a taste of power armor five minutes into Fallout 4? We should do the same here!"
Oh boy, Emil is what, near 50 at this point? Yet he still writes like those stories we imagined in high school
Story: heres an artifact now find the rest.
Player: oooh okay, why?
Story: so you can do it again.
The End
Are you new to Bethesda games?
@@Kintabl
FO4: You watch your spouse get shot in front of you and your son get kidnapped, then wake up in a post-apocalyptic wasteland with all the motivation you could ever need.
Skyrim: You watch a mythical dragon the size of a barn raze a town as you are about to be executed, then are let loose into an actually open world divided over civil war, magic, and world-ending prophecy.
Starfield: You are a miner who gets handed the keys to a rich person's car after hallucinating, and get tasked with fast travelling to empty waypoints in order to collect MacGuffins.
Yeah, pretty much all the same.
@@Kintabl what if I said yes does that change how stupid and anticlimactic or pointless Starfield is? It doesn't does it? I know I hurt your feelings, mostly because you agree with me because I'm right, but stay on topic, yea?
@@SaturninePlaces You see I don't like this kind of openings speacialy in Bethesda games, because like you say wife is killed and son is taken and you wake up and you do million other things before you go looking for the son. Same with Skyrim world is about to end and you are doing millions other things before you go what's going on with world ending.
In Starfield there is no rush in main story.
But you are right if something Bethesda could do better, definitely a better stories.
@@RussianBot-k9p I love Starfield, it's fun to play for me. It's typical Bethesda game.
Just checked out your written review. I really enjoy Bethesda fanboys because you're not allowed to leave a negative review if you've only played 10-20 hours, because you've clearly not experienced everything. But you're also not allowed to leave a negative review after 90+ hours either.
It's the Xbox fanboys crying over bad reviews because they're coping they bought a shitty games console.
I am a Bethesda fanboy and I'm confident saying that this doesn't feel like a Bethesda game at all. This game feels like it was made "consciously" instead of being made for fun.
Like breathing, once you think about it is difficult, or when you're shooting hoops and then you snap out of the zone and are missing afterwards.
Exploration in starfield really is non existent since you can fast travel everywhere, and every side quest is given by eavesdropping chatty guards who can't keep their mouths shut. Sure Skyrim did it but a lot of side quests are given by the world interacting with you, starfield is nothing like Skyrim or fallout in terms of storytelling or environmental storytelling.
It's like Bethesda doesn't even know what makes their games and their worse games, good.
@@mtk1808 What? This game feels EXACTLY like a Bethesda game. It might be the most Bethesda game that Bethesda has ever made. This has been the trajectory of their development studio since Oblivion. Every game has the RPG elements shaved down while the action/adventure elements get turned up. Starfield is just the natural evolution of that design philosophy. People have this weird idea that Bethesda is interested in making immersive RPGs. They aren't, and haven't been for decades. They want to make arcade action/adventure games and Starfield is right in that wheelhouse.
That's not how Bethesda fans works, Bethesda fans will agree with everything you said and more, but will continue to play anyway
@@chriswhinery925 This game feels nothing like a Bethesda game. Hell, one thing that every Bethesda game had in common was how good the open worlds were. Except in starfield instead of having an open world, you have a few 100 islands of content and dozens of loading screens in-between. I'm saying this as someone who's first game was fallout 4, starfield ain't it. Hell I'd go so far to say that starfield is flat out worse than fallout 4 in most aspects.
@@chriswhinery925 I'd argue that Bethesda games always had meaningful and important choices that the player would need to make, which determined the path they would follow. Starfield was the first 'modern' Bethesda game that didn't have that
I really like how Starfield boosted the hype for space RPGs so everyone started playing No Man Sky.
Btw just for comparison:
Good things in Starfield:
- Ship building
Good things in No Man Sky:
- Cool costumes
- Base building is not endgame
- You can tame animals
- Its multiplayer and you can coop
- Cool space battles
- Seamless transitions from planetside to space
- FUN
This is a really subjective post. Everything except for the multiplayer and seamless transition is also true of Starfield. Obviously cool costumes, space battles, and fun just depend on what you like. You can tame animals in a sense, by making animal husbandry facilities, but they're just a resource generator at that point to be fair. And base building is not endgame, it's available and useful basically right away.
@@AdmiralKarelia btw when exploring planets in NMS you only need to scan every animal/plant/etc once. even though it's a game about infinite grind in space, as opposed to supposed-to-be-RPG Starfield
the game is dogshit dude lmao @@AdmiralKarelia
I'm honestly surprised they didn't have you recruit an entire time after having your vision quest with the ancient artifact. I mean they already lifted so much from Mass Effect 1 that it feels almost incomplete without the 'build your team' portions.
I agree
Flamengo não é time, time é Vasco da gama
Wait is this game actually just worse mass effect?
@@Faminetheblack I honestly prefer Mass Effect
Nah if they did someone will constantly nag about Settlement is under attack
I enjoyed the main story until they threw the Multiverse nonsense in that made everything you do inconsequential and meaningless all for the sake of "NG plus is so cool" why would I want to re do everything & everything over & over again with the same character...
Todd: "Wull, yous played the same Skyrim for 12 years!"
@@GnohmPolaeon.B.OniShartz To be fair to him, we did, and we validate the idea that this sort of shitty template design can still be sold since we bought Skyrim multiple times, sometimes on the same platform.
People somehow forgot that Fo76 was a joke from the top-down and still has a pretty hardcore base of players, Skyrim was simply not objectively good as an RPG and neither was Oblivion. It started after Morrowind. My love for most of these games is nostalgia, if we strip it down they're not stellar role-playing stories.
@@AdamOwenBrowning This is true, but at the same time, there were still cool stuff in Skyrim, Oblivion, and the Bethesda Fallout games. They weren't masterpieces, but they were interesting. Starfield feels like Fallout 4 but without any of the interesting things. It feels like a game still in beta, barely in early access at best. It's so empty.
I turned back at the end and rejected the offer, F that whole shit.
I love how nobody mentions Rage, because that was so bad. Pretty sure that was Bethesda
Marvel writers must've had a hand in making this game... Oh wait nevermind it's just Emil being a hack, as usual.
Oh, okay. So Todd steals mechanics and this emil looser steals story!
No wonder, no wonder. Sorry, I haven't payed attention to Bethesda in a very long time so I don't know who's stealing what anymore!
The first 10 minutes of the game was pretty interesting.
We seemed to be a miner of sorts, digging our way to our next paycheck. Until we find this strange object.
Then suddenly, out of nowhere, we fight off pirates, given a new ship and off to destroy the first pirate outpost.
We went from zero to murdering psycho in a span of an hour. At least in Fallout 4 we were either some kind of soldier or psychiatrist.
In Skyrim, we were a prisoner, and then slowly become the dragonborn.
But this? It's like the writing team gave up and said, 'Eh... let's just wing it'.
It would make sense that constellation, funded by a rich megacorp CEO, would be a group of misfits from different paths of life who would come together for a shared interest in exploration and archaeology.
Instead, Starfield makes a hobby centered meetup group into something more than it needs to be.
After beating the game and going into new game+ and realizing that all I cared about was the ship building, I went back to an earlier save where I still had my money and resources for building things.
It's like playing with legos but you have to unlock it by doing missions that are boring. New game+ just makes it so that you have to do it again.
The ship building is unironically the best part of Starfield.
If only there was something to do with the ship once you've built it.@@johnwotek3816
@@johnwotek3816as the building in fallout 4 was enjoyable in its own right as well, especially with mods.
At this point bethesda should just make a minecraft type game and go with that talent
I felt similarly. Building the ships was more fun than actually playing the game... Then again that was how I felt about Fallout 4 and its settlement system.
I can't agree more. The main story was so disappointing. They miserably failed to make Constellation and its members interesting.
It's cause they had to make them inclusive and all equal.
I thought Andreja was pretty interesting.
@@aquariuskudo I thought so as well. But you may sooner or later find out she's surprisingly morally stiff, and have more or less identical opinion as the rest of the constellation team.
There's no variation in player choices with these mates.
What do u mean? U learn the game and how to mine and build the unity. Heck Sam changes and the whole game changes.
But it seems most players are inbred
yes its true but no one plays a Bethesda game for its main story. Having the main plot being about finding things to start a new game plus was a mistake.
TES: Lore in every nook and cranny of the world. Every book you pick up contains a piece of history. You are a stranger in a strange land that have existed long before you.
Starfield: Oh shit, the MC landed into planet Xebooba Alpha 16. Quick. Generate a place and science dungeon that will expand his powers somewhat
Basically, it sounds like kind of like Mensa. It doesn't really do anything outside of a little self-service and you get to join because you passed their entrance test.
Mod can't save this game, No amount of Mod could save this game from bad story, Bad world building, Bad pacing.
Every time i played, The game did make me feel like i'm playing fallout 76. Nothing memorable. No interesting npc, enemies. No interesting place to visit.
The whole game is just a sandbox with radiant quests. Even the most scary enemy is pathetic. Also in this game "You are the chosen one" again, They don't even know you but give you everything from spaceship, robot, place to stay. I would say that's just lazy writing, How about make me fight for my own spaceship instead? my first spaceship which i got by myself instead of throwing it in my face for free. I try to refuse to join them many time but the game just force me to go to them. what a joke of a role play game.
In Fallout 4 the story was bad and the modding community can't fix that but what make it fun is that they mod out all the npc and turn them into a survival game.
I thought they first mentioned Constellation was a secret group but everyone has heard of it and the parents even know where the hq is
It's like mi6
they said it's a private group, it's a very famous group, like a boy band everyone wished they were a part of
It's like the "A-Team"...
It's weird too because Bethesda's Fallout 3 had a believable macguffin: The G.E.C.K, which was hidden deep within a mutant-infested vault. Why couldn't they make the Artifact sites in Starfield more believably perilous and hidden?
That's just copying the first two Fallout games though, which had nothing to do with Bethesda
Miners just dig a hole to it, see some strange rocks sitting there, and think “yeah I’m just gonna leave that there.”
@@abcpeaFallout 4 story also copied Fallout 3, all they did was switch roles between parent and child. Trash writing
There are a few planets and moons where you won't find any human structures (e.g.: Tidacha system). I think their intention was to make you believe you are the first human there. However I went into a cave on one such planet and have found a single storage crate in it suggesting someone had already visited the planet before me which was very disappointing.
Planets in the universe are empty. There is no life. No atmosphere. Starfield has the most authentic universe than other Space Games.
@@daeron5705 no, that would be Elite Dangerous. Not only it hides its loading screens much better, but also you never find aggressive alien animals or containers with human loot on empty planets - hence they are truly empty rather than pretend to be. Moreover, you even can get lost in its vast space - something that is absolutely impossible in Starfield
If they put aliens in NOW then they won't be able to put aliens in later as a paid DLC. Also the special constellation watch exists solely as a tie-in for the ubercollectable paid package. Barrett gives it to you, then you never see it or hear about it again.
He has the DLC already planned for the next 20 years I'm sure. Now that he knows he can release Skyrim 12 times over 10 years and it'll sell well every time. He probably thinks he can trench in and stretch space out over the rest of his life.
And he's right, because the average person enjoys grey paste. Its the most disgusting phenomenon, frankly. They call him divine! What a crock. What a cult.
"You never see it or hear about it again...."
Except when you look at the lower left portion of your HUD. ;)
It's your ui and menu you baboon
@@nolgroth But that's not the watch, it's just a HUD element. Not like the pipboy which you constantly use. You never see the watch again, the op is right.
Finally someone who makes sense ! I was becoming crazy feeling like I'm the only one who sees how the unity concept and new game plus severely clashes with the point of building the character you want to be a damn BGS rpg. Buying a hause ? No point. Finding a partner ? No point. Making an outpost ? Why waste hours for it own sake. Completing any quests for annyone in the universe ? Who cares ? You're not coming back anyway.
If only you could keep the compagnions who cannonicaly jump with you and become starborns, that would make something to care about, but no. They just go somewhere you're not. Great !
The worst part is that I could be petty and point out the paradoxes in the infinite non linear time multiverse concept but what's the point, BGS didn't really care to make something with it outside of a dozen easter eggs or even to explain it porperly. All for dlcs I suppose.
“Paradoxes” wouldnt natter terminator two is the bigest paraxos in all terminator films but its the most loved so it really be a nit pick and a half
@@demonic_myst4503 Agreed, they would be nitpicks but I think they would matter still. I guess what I was trying to say is just that unless a story is about a paradox or enriched by it, it's fair to say that a good story without paradoxes is better than a good story with paradoxes, which is itself better than a bad story without paradoxes and the worst would be a bad story with paradoxes. And sadly I think starfield ends up being in the last and worst category.
This is such a stupid criticism. You don’t have new game + in any other Bethesda game. I’ve made so many different characters in every other Bethesda game and guess what? Nothing Carries over. If you want to stay in the original universe do that. If you want you can stop and make any of them your permanent universe. Its a unique way of having new game + . Also I love the game. Don’t know if you guys are aware of people really loving the game so I’m throwing that out there
@@solidsnake3962 Well I don’t think it is stupid but maybe I am or just sound more harsh than I truly am.
In any case, I realize that people love the game. I myself clocked 115 hours. If I did, it’s because I care. If I commented, it was because talking about it is interesting, either for criticizing, sharing experiences, discussing the game or just finding someone that can make my view shift and appreciate the game better.
Still, loving something doesn't make it good. I am guilty of loving some mid or down right bad stuff. Your love for something can’t serve as an argument for anything except to justify your own enjoyment and certainly not deter anyone from talking about what they think is failure. Especially because talking about it might make more known an issue that if corrected might improve the experience of a future BGS game for everyone. In short, just pointing out mistakes so that they’re not made again.
As for the new game plus in Starfield, I think either you misunderstood or I didn’t made myself clear. The problem is not its existence in itself but the way it presents itself. Then again, as a function, it doesn’t provide a way to do over your traits or your background which limits its own utility over a new file. As for experiencing different choices, it is not obvious from a first playthrough that early decisions have far reaching consequences so it isn't as good as an alternative it could be to just making a choice and reloading to see both sides.
To my first point about the clashing narrative and your response, refusing the unity is not something the game considers as an end. You can, but it just puts the quest on hold. So refusing to engage with it just makes you refuse to engage a part of the game that seems integral. It is the end goal of the main quest. All you did was to arrive before the unity and jump. Everything seems to point that way and even your companions go for the unity. The game has a world that wants you to invest time in while the main quest wants you to ditch it all not for a do over but for a continuation as a starborn while the rest stays behind, unreachable. Mechanically, it’s an in universe new game plus but narratively, it’s the certainty for your character to become a bored immortal space traveler just like the hunter and emissary. And while this is an interesting idea, the game doesn’t explore it in the new game. Unless you count yourself becoming more bored with the game with each new game plus which to be fair, would be an interesting commentary if it was the intention.
Sorry I know, it's too long but hey, as said before, talking about this game is interesting !
@@eclarxios5145 well that was very well worded and sorry about saying that was a stupid criticism. I still go with you don’t have to start new game + tho. When I play fallout and build up all my settlements and do everything in the game and at the end of it I make a new character and loose all of the stuff I made I don’t say what was the point. I do it all over. There’s going to be people that play the game for 100’s of hours and for years who will have never started new game +. Now all that being said I’ve played for 50 hours and haven’t gotten near the end. I’m not really going to make any outposts but I want to do as much of the game as I can before beating it. I want to make universe 8 my final universe because I think that armor is the best looking armor. At that point I’m going all in on outpost building and so fourth and stay in that universe as long as possible. That’s my plan at least.
I understand the artifacts getting lost to time (most of them, anyway), but I don't get how the temples haven't been found and documented by now. Why aren't the settled systems filled with conspiracy theorists and researchers desperate to crack one open? It would have been a great opportunity to introduce Aquilus as someone interested in the mystery of them earlier, the 'twist' of him being the Hunter had literally no impact because I only had reason to talk to him once. Not to mention the interesting interactions we could have with the UC/Collective/House Va'runn if they discovered we can get into one. Just no idea why I can use these unearthly powers in front of a bunch of UC soldiers and not end up in a lab.
The beginning forces you to go to New Atlantis. Traveling anywhere else is disabled until you visit the lodge for the first time.
Some of the Teraformable planets in the settled systems as well as a handful of systems were discovered by Constellation, but that's barely touched on by anyone and Sarah only briefly talks about it.
The temple thing could be sortof fixed by having it appear once you got close enough because you and Barrett are the "Chosen Ones" or whatever.
I restarted a new playthrough after completing the main story, with the intention of never going into the lodge once and basically fuck off constellation.
Nope. Cant fucking do it. You are force locked into being a goody two shoes science explorer in a game where "you can go anywhere and be anyone"
Yeah, like if the temples are hidden in pocket dimensions that only are accessable to those who have attuned to an artifact, it wouldn't be that hard to pull off but they were just too lazy
While I was playing the main quest I had the theory that the starborn were actually humans from the future who travelled back in time to stop me from finding the artifacts due to the butterfly effect, then it turned out to be multiverses, and then i unistalled the game
If you think about it its kinda like that, they come from another point of space and time and want to stop you.
@@claudiovasquez2099 Accept they don't because your always the one who dies and now that you didn't there like yeah lets see what happens. They encourage you to collect the remaining artifacts and don't forget to go power up at the temples.
Good for you man good for you
Hope you didn't buy the game, otherwise you've contributed to perpetuating shit games.
Starfield is just so bad it's hard to believe.
bad story, bad characters, bad gameplay, bad game. Bethesda aren't the same studio they used to be 10-15 years ago. Seems like a bad investment by Microsoft tbh.
The way described gathering a team and they're missions on different planets and they're own quest is litterally what Mass Effect do and that's why it's so awesome