And she might always be the matyr/victimn in her mind. It fits with BPD that is not managed. It's frustrating, but it's likely part of mental illness for her. She needs mental help to manage her personality disorder(s). Hope she gets it before she harms herself and others further.
Like, damn girl, fire your therapist and get a new one because the whole world just saw ALL of your personality disorders on display and how much havoc they create.
The thing is, she doesn't care what she has to do or say in her attempt to make people believe her. We saw that so clearly with this trial. So grateful to the jury for giving Johnny the justice he deserves. 🖤💚
$10.35 million - $2 million = $8.35 million she owes Johnny. If I were him, I'd donate $7 million to the charities she never paid, and give the rest to my lawyers.
Johnny's statement was a huge tell! He eloquently spoke and supported all of those involved at the court house, his lawyers, his team and that was amazing. He was gracious and didn't come across as arrogant. Whereas, the same could not be said as Ms Heard. I think those who watched this case from beginning to end could see through the pretense. THANK YOU Ms Emily D Baker for breaking it all down for the law nerds! "Veritas numquam perit. Truth never perishes."
@@lucylufrank3770 And she also didn't clap when the judge and others in the court room were thanked for their hard work. Her post trial statement she simply doubles down her narrative as if this trial never happened. In her twisted thinking validates her claims. And Elaine's interviews bare that out.
Amber: "I just want Johnny to leave me alone and let me move on with my life, but instead he keeps dragging me into court because he can't let me go." Also Amber: Filing an appeal with the court.
I think the one count the jury found for Amber is fair. That didn’t bother me. It shows, in my opinion, that the jury considered all things. Amber is in a true echo chamber if she seriously thinks she is still a spokeswoman for DV. DV survivors don’t like her and don’t want her “representing” them. This absolutely was a win for DV victims! Johnny was a victim. Amber will never see it that way bc she will never admit to her ugly actions and she will never consider a man to be a victim. She said as much when she dared him to bring his story to the public and say that him, “a man”, is also a victim. I am so happy I was able to watch you live as the verdict was read! It was the only time I wasn’t part of the replay crew due to work, but being able to watch the verdict live was a great way to wrap this up! Thank you for providing this space for us law nerds!
@ivah kennis Lots of abuse survivors in comments sections say as much, Ive been seeing it since the deposition videos and audio were release leaked. And one You Tuber that I've seen so far. That was a very interesting video, her name is Nicque Marina I think. The thousands of opinions are out there if you look, and they are NOT bots or part of a smear campaign either!
I so agree! As I listened to her taunt, to me it echoed the taunt of abusers regardless of gender of their victim. Think about how many Moms get taunted they aren’t “real mom”, others being taunted against being “a real woman”, etc. She knew his rep was important to him, just like other abusers. MeToo has to recognized men too are abused by partners & many are Women harming Women’s voices because lies, lies, lies of such chip away at accusations of abuse. Those women as just as much using our “culture’s wrath” against victims. I’m tired of Men hating women dictating what ALL women must be and what “counts” in Women’s Rights. For 60 yrs I’ve witnessed a war of MALES and trying to silence other women who don’t agree with their war. Sorry but abusers abuse & she’s shown she abuses and manipulates
@ivah kennis men and women when it comes to DV are equal entities. Abuse is abuse no matter where it comes from. Just bc a woman abused a man doesn’t make the man less of a victim. Mission NGO is an international organization for dv that has come out in support of JD.
@ivah kennis I have suffered from DV, and violence is violence, abuse is abuse. It should be viewed equally no matter who the perpetrator or victim is.
Johnny’s statement was a consideration of truth, his legal team, his supporters, and his family. Amber’s statement was a continuation of her victimization. The fact that the jury were so thorough in their verdict is incredible!
I agree. I think the jury was really thorough. It wasn't just, 'We don't believe Amber.' They really paid attention to the specific claims. To be flooded with all this information and to be able to make a sound judgment at the end of these draining 6 weeks shows what a good jury this group was.
@@smk9320 We should not ignore that the jury got to go home for 10 days in the middle of the trial, no matter what we think about AH and JD that is a a big problem, because does we really believe that everyone did not hear someone talk about the trial, they didnt read newspapers, never got online etc.. So no matter what we think about AH or JD that makes med want to do a Emily and say 'I have questions!'
@@HKotolos well I mean she completely destroyed his life and thought her puppy dog eyes and emotional language would garner support. All while trying to act like she just wanted to move on. It would totally further show that she doesn’t “just want to be left alone”
The contradiction of AH saying that she just wants JD to leave her alone but will most likely still file an appeal to continue going through this 🤦🏻♀️
She has to. She has more to lose financially. After all, he was the person who instigated this case first. Though I get what you are saying She should never have wrote the article. She should have just enjoyed her divorce money & moved on.
@@intuitivediane I do believe right before the 2018 op ed, Amber initiated or started to/tried to initiate an arbitration against Johnny. This was well after their dissolution. So it’s hard to say that he was the instigator especially if you believe his statements that she was the abuser because then she is truly the instigator by making false allegations to begin with.
Let’s be clear… Amber showed herself to be the personification of Dr. Currey’s diagnosis. I believe the jury saw this and did not believe the accusations of physical and sexual abuse. Her behaviour on the stand was histrionic and her stories of abuse lacked detail, evidence and her behaviour was not that of a victim. Rather, her picture evidence did not support what she said she suffered and the sound evidence showed her to be the abuser. ❤️ from Australia 🇦🇺.
Add to that the cackling on the tapes, crazy nastiness … who hadn’t met someone who pressed grit buttons then stood back and watched, or in her case filmed it.
True. I even saw a video of her making a dirty finger to Johnny while going up the stand. That side is exactly where the jury was seated but idk if the jury noticed it. That's why people believe in JD. Not only because of the lies she fabricated but because of her actions.
Question: Given that AH's counter claim was about Waldman's statement being defamatory. Wouldn't or couldn't Elaine's statements post verdict be seen as equally slanderous especially when she sits there and outright lies about the UK trial, and continues to misrepresent what took place in this trial. She's attempting to gaslight and rewrite history hoping interviewers and the general public didn't actually watch this trial.
Exactly, what I am thinking. Elaine told the Today Show's anchor, that Johnny, had been charged with 15 counts of abuse on Amber; but, the Va court, would'nt allow it in. LIES! The UK case, was against The Sun, not Amber! Burns me up!
"No matter what happens, I did get here and I did tell the truth. And I have spoken up for what I've been carrying on my back reluctantly for six years" Johnny Depp
Johnny freed himself by truthfully telling who he is. The understanding, wish for him to conquer his problems and sympathy for his abuse, show how people value fairness and truth.
I would believe AH’s abuse claims if she provided just 1 piece of evidence: (1) medical records that document treatment for a broken nose and busted lip, or (2) testimony from a doctor or plastic surgeon for treating / fixing a broken nose and busted lip. This is such basic evidence that anybody would be able to provide if they suffered these injuries. But asking anyone to believe that a person who makes a living based in good part on their appearance and doesn’t have any evidence supporting a claim of a broken nose and busted lip is an insult to the public’s intelligence. AH us a classic con artist and will say and do anything to get what she wants. Aside from JD, AH even conned the wealthiest man in the world into making donations on her behalf to help pay pledge obligations she made.
I just want to say thank you for keeping all of us entertained and educated these past 6 weeks! You have opened me up to a whole new world of UA-cam. You are amazing! ❤️
I totally agree. Found Emily because of this trial but I for sure will be watching her other stuff. Really enjoy her commentary. The badass lawyer who loves the cursey words and no fuckery!
I went into this trial believing that they were in a toxic relationship and likely abusive towards each other, however through the witnesses, expert testimony and the photo/audio evidence I believe whole heartedly that Amber abused Johnny.
Since the 2nd 911 call wasn't covered in the trial, the jury probably thought that Waldman DID make that info up to defame (lie to) AH. Waldman was telling the truth, he was just the only one that knew it.
I honestly think the jury didn't fully understand how damages worked so they tried to just split it up. I think if they had realized that the punitive were limited to $350k, they would have given him the full $15million for compensatory.
jury 1) didnt know that virgina has a limit of $380,000. thats why the $5 million was reduced... otherwise i bet the 10 million would have been higher. 2) they were not givin audio and or video recordings?...only transcripts and 3) jd's lawyer didnt have evidence to his claims in its exactness
Exactly my impression. Pity. But, in the end, I don't think she'll be giving him any money, and if she would, it would go to the lawyers, so who cares. Johnny is going to go back making real money through more, important, films, which is... oh so right!
Agreeing with this assessment. Imagine if JD gives another $100,000 to the CHLA, anonymously on a date of significance next year. They'd/We'd all know who it is.
@@DuhPunnyQuan I believe the jury awarded him exactly half of what his salary was for Pirates 5 AND AH's $2M is also half of the salary her contract stated she'd receive if hired for Aquaman 3.
@@MiMi-js5nw Actually, I think he finds the closing statements and the jury beginning deliberations coinciding with his daughter's birthday appalling and is not something he would not be lol-ing over. He was probably a bit horrified his daughter had to experience this on her b-day instead of fully enjoying herself -- but that's just my opinion, and I may see things differently.
@@B_Bodziak very right. Amber took this date on purpose. She is very jealous of Johnny and Lily Rose. They were close from her birth on and Lily Rose was not at their wedding. She spoke up to her dad to not marry Amber. So did his sister, Lily Rose's aunt Chrissy. It would be a typical Amber move to hurt Johnny's beloved daughter. She must be very jealous because Lily Rose is more successful than she ever will be. Lily Rose is a Chanel model and she played in more big movies than Amber.
There once was a man called Depp Who suffered a terrible rep When the jury came in, the verdict favored him Three cheers and three counts for Monsieur Depp!
I want to point this out, I used to work for a well known magazine and the titles are often taken from a quote in the article, which is EXACTLY what they did with “I spoke up against blah blah blah” so her saying she didn’t write is insane. She did! Those are 100% her words.
So true. Also it’s what she has been complaining about trough out the whole trial. And what she has been saying in other media, like the evidence clip of the Dutch tv show: How she has been getting so much hate everywhere. How he is protected coz he is so powerful. How she wants to speak up and help other women who can’t speak up and she will use her platform for them and awareness. So how could she even try to imply she didn’t fully stand behind that title. And if she wasn’t… she could’ve shown an email or something where she was discussing changing the title. But that’s nowhere to be found
Amber self sabotaged. She made a series of terrible choices that she has to now pay for. The only time I felt true emotion from her was when the verdict was read. Thank God justice was served 🙏 💚💙💜
I felt something when she was talking about her career. She was genuinely sad when her career was crashing in front of her. Sadly, she was the reason for the breakdown of everything and she must be held accountable
@@msings998 there are tapes she threatened JD and he didn’t wanted to bring this to court but she gave him no choice. He warned her a couple of time so i don’t feel sorry or sad for her. She brought this all up herself and need to seek help
Just up the road from me too. I'm so glad that he is starting to get his life back. Disgusting that Eve Barlow tried to portray it as anything else. She and AH are the ones who can't let things go, not JD.
I watched this all here with Emily earlier today. I don’t know if it’s because I am Now hooked on the case & Emily but I am not sleeping so I am rewatching this. I also watched a clip from tonight’s Jeff Beck concert. Johnny got 2 standing ovations- upon joining the stage then once his performance was over. It was very apparent that the ovation was mostly for his win in court today. Beck was all smiles (he doesn’t smile a lot from what I have seen all my life, while on stage. Talking about music & his cars I have seen him smile) & hugged Depp.
I’m from the UK and the UK trial was pretty shady. They didn’t have a jury in the UK trial, it was just the judges decision. There are all kind of weird connections between the Judge and the Sun newspaper. The company behind that newspaper have a lot of sway and are a powerful entity
The Sun literally exists on publishing borderline-defamatory articles based on unreliable, shady "sources" 🤣 But I don't think anyone with more than 6 braincells to rub together actually reads and believes that garbage...
It was never supposed to be a jury trial and it really wasn’t that shady. It was also a completely different trial, Depp vs The Sun, not Depp vs Heard like this case. The one in the UK was simply to determine if The Sun had reason to print a story saying Heard was accusing Depp of beating her, which they did have since Heard testified that is what she was saying and had enough evidence for that to be a reasonable assumption. If the UK case was, did Depp actually beat Heard, or, Is Heard telling the complete truth, then we would have most likely seen a similar verdict to this case. I’m also from the UK btw.
I agree. There was “evidence” allowed from Amber including hearsay just that her friends said. Lots wasn’t allowed from Johnny. There were also articles stating that the judge had connections with “The Sun” editor. You can read the judgement from that case online. The judge on that case retired a month later. I’m glad this was televised so we could hear for ourselves that Amber was the abuser. He isn’t perfect and he said that but I do not believe based on the evidence that we saw that he is a physical abuser. She lied multiple times on oath xx
Emily….you killed it tonight on television…..your legal expertise and analysis of trial law was brilliant. Good on you for not taking the gossip/ drama bait and keeping it on law….
I think the biggest gain JD has made is showing how some lie and yes men are also abused. His message was well said also once the verdict announced. Thankbyou Emily for straight forward non-biased talk and knowledge through these weeks. Looking forward to the next!
I like that Amber was a blatant case of Narcissism, she will be studied for years, I think many lawyers, judges, DV therapists and couple therapists, and many others will at least look more on the other side even when it doesn’t sound like common sense. many of us tried to divorce an Amber. Many have lost so much. This case will help so many people.
In the UK the judge based his verdict on Amber gave the 7million and Stating that JD had memory impairment so how could he know if he did it or not. Took Amber's word as the Gospel
I am a victim of DV and I have PTSD not just from him but from the courts allowing him to keep me in court for 8 1/2 years, bankrupting me and causing extreme and permanent damage to our kids. Because of this I couldn't watch a blow by blow (real time) of this case. I was upset by the fact that they found anything for her and I appreciate your explanation. Thanks!
Ironically, the same traits that make her so dangerous did her in: If her lies were just a bit more well thought out, and her delivery slightly less unhinged, this case might have been unwinnable for JD.
I just wrote that in another thread! If her stories were fewer and less spicy maybe we'd have a different verdict. Her over the top elaborate tales sank her.
No I think it was based on evidence -that Johnny had & witnesses ,While she had nothing!!even if she was not unhinged & intelligent. Though that would mean that she had a different personality.
or if she pretended to be in the hospital for the past 6 weeks and only recovered for the verdict she'd of prob won. the case was super stacked against Depp.
To be fair I don't think an injunction should be thought of as silencing, but more of a way of protecting Depp if she tries it again and not having to continue to go to court because she won't leave him alone. The victim should be protected.
She probably has a book in the pipeline. Will anyone want to publish it tho? AH has a child to look after and it would be wise to keep her head down for a few years and probs get off the Colombian marching powder.
@@moirared04 unfortunately what with her statement & with Eve Barlow's Twitter posts re: JD, I don't think that AH has taken that lesson from this case.
@@deecee7042 That cannot be the reason. The US supreme Court ruled that a deceased person doesn't have rights. Additionally, given that it's not possible for a deceased person to waive their rights AND since people cannot experience any type of damages or hardship after death, their consent to waive their rights is not needed. The supreme court ruling pertains to a case of releasing a deceased person medical records, as well as, waiving the deceased person's rights to attorney-client privilege. I'm not sure where it started that a tape was inadmissible because the person who passed away can't sign a waiver of release, but it is not accurate. As for questioning, like other tapes, parts of the recording with only those who can testify was not even played. The doc telling the nurse what AH said to him about the finger and saying she feels guilty could have been played and all 3 could have been questioned about what each said. It's possible Dr Kipper wouldn't sign a release. It's also possible that both sides compromised and agreed to only include the private audio recordings that have only JD and AH on them (at least I recall all the recordings had both JD and AH and no one else OR if the recording cannot be authenticated since AH testified she didn't make the recording and that JD must have done it on her phone, but JD has stated he did not make the recording. This would be very legally convenient for AH. I'm curious to know why it 2asnt used and what JD's team gained in exchange for not submitting even parts of the 5 Hour recording since it basically exonerates him and that she is fully responsible for the injury. There also isnt a pre-trial ruling about the tape when I looked at the filed court documents on the Fairfax Clerk's site.
Amber Heard's statement following the jury decision is pure "hate" and a testimony to Dr. Curry's description of her psychosis. In contrast, was Johnny's statement which was pure class - hope he is invited to host the Oscars next year.💥💥
I've been scouting Twitter the last few days for Amber supporters. Just to see what they're saying. My conclusion is that AH is living in an echo chamber - many feminists are tweeting that just by virtue of taking her to court (again) he's abusing her. They're also saying that Amber's abuse was reactive - JD was older, richer, more powerful, so "obviously" he was the one in control; she eventually couldn't stand his "coercive", "financial", etc abuse, and therefore started to lash out. If these are the people, and messaging, she's surrounding herself with, it's not shocking she believes she's a martyr.
I think the verdict was fair. The only part of her story that was pretty cohesive was that last apartment incident (and by her story I mean her witnesses’ version) the rest was a mess. It shows the jurors really looked at all the evidence and didn’t just decide on likeability.
Amber is the only person to blame for her own demise in this case. Her testimony was horrible. I didn't believe a single word that left her mouth. The crying and sobbing came across as completely fake to me. Her entire tone sounded like a rehearsed performance, staged, unnatural. Her allegations were completely over the top, outlandish, crazy. In none of the voice recordings did she appear to be scared of the man that allegedely beat her countless times. Nah, I don't buy any of it. She lied. I'm 100% convinced.
@@mtz6198 If someone is acting at all on the stand, then that's a huge problem. So it's not about who is the best actor, it's about who appeared to the jury to BE acting.
yeh then no medical care after being raped by a broken glass bottle? she was bleeding from the vagina yet took sleeping pills and went to bed. WTF?? i mean all the beatings...broken nose, black eyes, busted lips yet no medical attention ever.
@@mtz6198 Sure does. Amber was terrible. She made faces of a person crying, but there were no tears. Acting was terrible and her mountain of evidence didn't back up to the story she told.
OMG AH was so over the top - after hearing those recordings where she's admitting brutalizing him, humiliating him, manipulating him, and he just calmly takes it... who could believe he beat her and threw her around like a rag doll? For days on end? And if it were true, would she not have been hospitalized? Unreal.
What do you think Johnny had to go through when Amber spread those horrible lies about him. He got the same treatment she now has to endure. What makes her so special that she's exempt. She started it and now Johnny finished it with victory. Now she has to suffer the fate she put Johnny through.
If she were a man, I would bet money she would be facing perjury charges and jail time. She’ll never face any actual consequences and that pisses me off.
@@bburgess5003 they’re looking into it in Australia, England and here from what I understand. I understand your pessimism because unfortunately that’s usually the case but I’m trying to be optimistic and hope they make an example out of her. Even if it’s just fines and probation although jail time would be poetic.
@@midlifemom5829 it’s to bad I’m to old to go to law school, I think I would have loved it! However I watch a lot of medical shows, and think I would have also been a great doctor! Lol
@@KarenDriscoll-Scrapbyscrap , yes those shows make us want a do-over because they make it so exciting! I hope this trial creates a new generation of future professionals following the footsteps of Ben Chew, Camilla Vasquez, and Dr . Curry
@@KarenDriscoll-Scrapbyscrap I doubt you're too old I didn't even take the LSAT until my 50s. You owe it to yourself to at least check out what you might be missing by not even attempting it. It doesn't cost much to study for a take the LSAT.
Just watched your interview on FOX 11 Los Angeles and you did a fabulous job! You were eloquent, unflappable and the most professional person on the show. Here, we saw you as if you're our knowledgeable friend watching with us. But I just saw a whole other side to you, your professional mien and I was impressed! (While it's of little import compared to your work, I still want to say you looked great!)
😂...HOW convenient!....in Australia we call her a ....Dag....which is the shit that hangs off a sheeps bum!...She publishes her bs on Instagram and ONCE AGAIN she PROVES exactly who and what she is.....she'll be lucky if she works in movies again!
"No" on the latter claim. The jury doesn't care about her ability to appeal. Doesn't effect them, none of their business. It did seem like a bit of an olive branch. Maybe to nudge future defendants in defamation cases to also make counter-claims.
My first thought after the verdict was it may be possible the jury awarded JD $10M because that is half of his salary for Pirates 5, AND also awarded AH $2M because that is half of what her contract stated she would earn if the studio exercised her option for Aquaman 3. That was my first thought right after hearing the verdicts, my second thought was the jurors didn't want to award the full amount for these future roles because they didn't want to award the full amount of what they would have been paid given that they actually didn't have to do it/go to work and earn it.
You answered my question re: "how institutions protect powerful men". I definitely didn't think any institutions protected Depp when this happened, the opposite in fact. They dropped him like a hot potato and the press ran his name into the dirt for 4 years. I'm glad you explained this particular point because I just found it amazing that anyone would claim Depp was protected. He clearly lost roles, huge roles, fantastic beasts for example. Most of his sponsorships deals went away, except for Dior. Also if anyone can answer this, why exactly was there no evidence on the record of the second call? That would seem to be evidence that Depp's sidd would introduce, if it actually exists. I would think the LAPD would have 911 records of a second call if there was one.
I watched something on the internet regarding the two calls to the police. Amber was on the phone with someone in New York. Might have been the human being Eye - OH or somebody else. This telephone partner was supposed to inform the police about some dv taking place in the penthouse. When you call 911 in New York it will set up the new york police. So someone else did call from Los Angeles as well. There is actually a recording of the 911 call from Los Angeles. The caller is female and the call was strange. The officer asked some questions and the caller answered. Didn't make sense at all and the police had to make sure that everyone was okay there. So they sent a team of officers. Thank God they did send two teams. Proof for Johnny. Caller was not in the building now and when the assault happened. The victim of the assault was a woman and the attacker was a man. This were the q and a of the call. Maybe it is on 'Incredibly average' channel
I heard there was some legal issues regarding permitting the second call into the trial. I can't remember the specifics but there was an issue and theres probably a video about it out there.
I already thought Emily was pretty smart and reasonable, but that is ENTIRELY re-enforced every time she goes "this isn't my stance, but I can see the reasoning behind it and respect it is a sound conclusion" just really restores my faith in humanity every time. Hearing about the Heard-favored ruling makes me feel better. I don't agree with the jury there personally, but there's a thru line, and they're not stupid. We should all strive to be like that, life would get easier for a lot of us to live.
I didn't expect it. But I think I actually do agree with most parts of it. Seems to me very specific and wildly speculative to craft that narrative on what she and her friends intended and what that interaction with police looked like. I don't think I would have found Waldman an agent of Depp, though.
What I think happened with the whole “roughed the place up” incident is I think after the police left they “roughed up the place” to take pictures to use as evidence
Imagine you live with someone who's belittling you, physically assaulting you and being generally abusive. And at one point you lash back, are you really abusive at that point or just trying to defend yourself?
Having lived through that myself I think the answer is probably somewhere in the middle. It's a very grey place to reside, but I do think the nuance matters, as those of us who do end up in reactive abuse situations may struggle greatly with guilt and shame, and it's because we feel at our core that we've been "just as bad". The fulcrum here isn't whether the behavior is abusive, but what the motivation for that behavior is and whether it makes the person an Abuser. Anyone can be abusive. Abusers do it purposefully, systematically, and with intent to control and instill fear. Those motivations aren't present in reactive abuse, which is what I think distinguishes it from patterned abuse by a primary aggressor. That's just me though. There are a number of approaches to the subject and I don't think there's only one way to look at it productively.
@@mtz6198 That's not quite as simple as you make it out to be. You've very likely been with this person for awhile and wondering wtf actually happened and when things changed and what YOU did wrong.
@@mtz6198 Ambers type of personality will love bomb at the beginning of the relationship so you think you have met the person of your dreams. Once they know they have you hooked that’s when the abuse starts, if they think they are losing control the love bombing starts again or the threats of self harm they will commit if you leave them. Their victims are usually empaths and once reeled in it is very hard to extract themselves. Even once they have rid themselves of this person, the abuse does not stop, then comes the false accusations exactly the way AH turned on JD. The abuser cannot handle being rejected or discarded. JD told Amber he wanted out, he just gave her the opportunity to file for the divorce so she could save face.
Law nerds....im so happy to have found y'all. Trying to watch anyone else cover anything on this case just breaks my heart. The narrative people and media is trying to spin is gutting to the big picture of this case. So thank you all for being so....amazing!!
Love you, Emily!! Your commentary is both informative and fun! I've been addicted to your channel all throughout this trial. Thank you for the hours of diversion.
Amber's team keeps having to talk about the verdict being such a set back for women of the public. 1. This case was about Depp and Heard, not the public. 2. This was a civil case, not a criminal case. Not that I believe Johnny beat her anyway. 3. Making these setback statements is incredibly unaccountable and a disgusting attempt at distracting.
Hey Emily, thank you for your wonderful live streams and commentary. As a professor of ethnomusicology, research methods, and discourse analysis, I'm trained to pay close attention to the tone of voice as a cipher of meaning. I really appreciate your awesome commentary where you connect at such a heartfelt level of care in sharing and contextualizing with us information that relates to ethics and the law. I've learned tonnes from you during this case! Can we celebrate just a moment that the jury found for Johnny's team... on all three counts, and he can regroup and begin, as Issac Baruch said, to "start to heal"?
Oh, and another thing, Roddenborn’s argument of “if JD hit AH even once, even if AH is attacking him, he’s an abuser” is really disingenuous and I think reveals a sexist bias we have as a society. If a husband is beating on his wife all the time, and she hits him back to defend herself, we all say “good for you girl, protect yourself from that abuser!” If a wife is beating on her husband all the time, and according to Roddenborn, “if he hits her back even once, even to defend himself, then he’s the abuser, case closed!” Could there be a bigger double standard that Roddenborn and the media, who seem to agree with that, could have? Personally, I don’t think JD hit her back at all, because a punch in the face, still leaves the damage of a punch in the face, that AH never seemed to have. I do believe JD probably, grabbed her, pushed her, held her, what I think most would consider an appropriate use of force to protect yourself from being attacked, when you don’t want to hurt the other person, probably less than a male police officer would use if a female was attacking him, because she’d probably get tased. I could see maybe once, unintentionally JD head butted her(which was another ridiculous Roddenborn argument, head butting someone is a very “movie” thing, that’s not something you do in real life, unless it’s your last option, because it really hurts, and you could knock yourself out.) as an accident, while trying to protect himself.
The Rolling Stone article basically leans into that. I am shocked after all of this, the entire 6 week trial & all the evidence shown, & lies exposed the Rolling Stone still went with AH was the true victim & JD got away with being an abuser.
@@RitaBaumann I think that the rates of serious violence and homicide having such a large imbalance of male perpetrators v females mean that there is a real difference between men and women in regards to DV. It doesn’t mean men aren’t victims. It does mean that women are statistically more at risk for serious injury and death in a relationship. I’m sure people will say that’s sexist but it’s just fact. Every case is different but I don’t think case between to celebrities has a larger application to the general population.
@@mtz6198 I'm not saying it's equal, but I believe it's underreported. The thing is, we need to be retaught that treating each other like this is abhorrent, regardless of gender. I like that this dialog is happening.
I read the Rolling Stone article where they went the direction of claiming AH is the true victim & JD winning sends the message that speaking out against DV from men you won't believed. I am still furious.
Amber now feels the victim of the system. Everyone just hurts her, everyone lies and she is perfect and pure like an angel. Amber will never learn. She has absolutely no self-reflection. She'll keep lying, that's all she knows.
I'd be terrified of working with her. If she's still sticking with this story against someone like Johnny Depp, can you imagine how totally ruined the average person could be?
Oh Emily, I should have listened to you. I had empathy for Elaine representing Amber, she was just doing her job. Her interview this morning soured any empathy I had for her. I understand she's gearing up for an appeal but this nolonger feels like Zealous Advocacy, this feels like she's an accomplice to an abuser. I cannot believe she accused the jury of unprofessional behavior. It's literally everyone's fault but Amber's. I'm disgusted.
The jury did amazingly well no matter what verdict they came back with. That would’ve been so difficult I know I would’ve struggled myself with onboarding all the information and then summarising it down with such huge stakes. Their public service cannot be overstated
Yeah re: Johnny being verbally abusive, I 100% agree with Emily at 44:52. The horrible text messages aren't being said to Amber, just about her and some of them MONTHS after they broke up. If I recall correctly, we don't have evidence he said stuff that severe directly to her (but I could be completely mistaken). Also, shouting vs. chopping off a finger. The two things are miles apart in severity. Not only that, but Amber's testimony didn't hinge on verbal abuse, either. It focused on graphic physical abuse. Finally, even when weighing verbal abuse, it probably makes a big difference to a jury that there are recordings of Amber doing that and only text messages of Johnny venting to his friends.
I agree with all that you said about the texts but he definitely used abusive language e.g hateful names, when they were arguing, however this appeared to be mutual and they both used awful language towards one another so to me it’s all a wash. They were mutually verbally abusive.
@@hollyf8889 Yeah I agree on the verbal level, they're matched. Tbh if I were a juror, I'd have probably said, "Great, let's discard shouting and look at everything worse than shouting." If you're trying to analyze the abuse and decide who came out worse, that's what you'd have to do.
After this whole trial... last night I had a dream I was a juror and Emily was the judge. 😂I’ve been on a jury 3 times and watching this I hope inspires people to remember how important of a job it is.
That’s not the whole amount of taxes for $7 million that the guy testified amber demanded Johnny pay for her. She wanted and received 7 million TAX FREE. It would have to be closer to 15 million. Which is what the jury wanted, with that extra 5 million. They just didn’t know that amount would be capped.
Emily, your commentary was so fun and easy to listen to. Can I also just say I love that shade of lip colour, and hair colour and those shades. I might start looking like you in some years.
The thing that bothered me in Rottenborn's closing argument was when he was talking about how Depp's side thinks all victims need to be perfect. That seems like an appeal to extremes because nobody was arguing for Amber to be perfect and they sure as hell weren't arguing for ALL victims to be perfect. That's ridiculous. She just didn't make sense. Her story was inconsistent and her evidence was choppy and questionable. Any real survivor who's ever had even a fraction of what she presented makes more sense than she ever will. Nobody needs perfection, it just needs to make sense.
Rottenborn was trying to appeal to emotion and basically hope that the jury sides with them because Depp is "victim blaming". Further, he [Rottenborn] was trying to make a false equivalence of "if Depp wins, then all who are abused loses" and I personally think he was guilt tripping the jury Glad the jury didnt buy into the bs and did their job as fact finders.
So true! I've thought about that argument and the broader implications to abuse victims. I think the message of this decision to a domestic abuse victim is that if they decide to forego legal recourse to their abuser and instead make allegations about them in front of an international audience in the media, they need to have irrefutable evidence.
What I didn’t love about that argument from Rottenborn is that he couldn’t see how that same argument applied to Johnny. He wanted us to see Amber as an imperfect victim, but then the fact that Johnny wasn’t perfect somehow nullified him from being a victim of Amber - Rottenborn and Elaine were just talking out both sides of their mouths and hoping something they said would be believed.
@@CJAmara Everything they argued applied to Johnny. Even listening to their witness experts testifying for Heard made you think 'why does it sound like what they're saying is actually helping Johnny's case?' I mean it's crazy. Every single aspect of this case was an exact contrast. Her team, witnesses, experts, etc. reflected her attitude and Johnny's team, witnesses, experts reflected his. Truth and sincerity in and of itself flows and connects, let alone one that is backed with evidence.
Oh my gosh, I just LOVe how your followers had to mention you were on Inside Edition. This is a pretty big deal, but I had never heard you say a thing about it. Props to your humble lawyering, making us your priority! THIS is why people love you so much!!!!💜 💜💜
Just saw your clip on Fox 11, you stayed true to your channel. The guys looked like talking heads next to your intelligent articulate recap. Billy Bush needs to let others talk! 🤨 You are the best Emily! 💜
The jury's findings on the 2nd and 3rd statements probably demonstrates their perception (like most of us watching) that it's hard to reconcile the fact that a victim of domestic abuse would confront and provoke their "abuser" in the manner she had in so many of the audio recordings. And of course the fact that she had just about zero credibility by the end of the trial.
NO ONE explains it better than you. Thank goodness so many people watch you. We're getting RELIABLE journaling and analysis from YOU. YOU are amazing 😊
I'm from the UK and get so furious with people comparing this trial with the UK verdict in any way. They are so unbelievably different. All the sun had to do was prove there was reason to believe what they printed. AH saying 'yeah he battered me all over', showing a picture of a bruise and having one of her friends confirm he was violent in some way is all they needed. Whether Johnny did drugs or not is irrelevant. Whether it actually happened or not is irrelevant. The only thing relevant in that case is 'did the Sun have reason to believe that what they were printing could be true?'. The verdicts from these cases are not opposed to eachother. The verdict in the UK does not mean he was a wife-beater. It means that the Sun had a reasonable belief that he COULD have been. That's my little rant over with 😂
To be precise, the court in UK did say that 12 incidents had been proven. It was shady because they ignored anything that Depp said but still, the verdict definitly say that the judge believe he was a wife beater.
Congratulations on your success with this channel and your awesome legal coverage 💪🏼🤩🔥 (Drinking coffee in 🇮🇹 Italy the morning after. Still beaming from yesterday’s verdict for Johnny!!)
Amber's Op-ed Count 1: Headline: "Today I published" was key for me. Count 2: A public figure representing: Amber who? representing what? I don't recall her role in DV advocacy being talked about at all in the trial. Count 3: protected a powerful man: as close to saying Depp is an abuser as she can come without out saying it. It is also clear disregard for the truth because he clearly wasn't protected. Waldmen Statements: Count 1: Sword and Shield: True, that's what happens in a legal battle. Count 2: called the cops, faked the story: His statement was Definitely not what the testimony showed. Testimony claimed the group cleaned up instead of roughed up, and dismissed the police. Count 3: Abuse Hoax: Truth with evidence that Heard (or someone on her team)is the only one capable of calling TMZ and Leaking the video. Also Heard calling other witnesses liars to try to save her narrative didn't help. Plus there was clear evidence that Heard had abused Depp multiple times.
Also if anyone reads/read their divorce agreement she broke that contract as soon as she put the op-Ed out there. It was signed by both parties and agreed that they wouldn’t put anything out to the public and all matters would stay private. So “I published” is the nail that sealed her coffin. There were some other interesting things they both agreed on in the divorce contract.
@@Nikibaby74 great point! This means JD can sue AH for breach of contract now! So he could get the $7M back and donate it all directly to the children’s hospital. Sorry ACLU!
I really agree about the whole thing about imperfect victims; however, in this case, Johnny Depp is the imperfect victim, not AH. I'm glad the Jury saw that.
Did it ever come out what Amber was talking about when she said that Johnny drank so much tea? That was so odd and it never came up later that I remember.
They kept saying about how much Johnny Depp drank and took drugs but Genny said that Amber could polish off two bottles of wine in the night they never once mentioned that she was high or drunk
In addition to Johnny regularly speaking poetically, as someone who endured an ab*sive relationship I must admit that anything he texted about Amber didn’t phase me in the least. I called my ex the worst things I could conjure up which I’d never done before and haven’t done since to anyone else. Loving someone who turns out to be capable of such heinous shit really fucks with your head and my words were all I had. I don’t regret anything I said to or about an excuse for a human and I don’t fault anyone in that position who does the same.
@@rethinkcps2116 ..the mentality of an exasperated teacher is just nowhere near comparable to a tormented ab*se victim….. he wasn’t actually planning on offing her, I think anyone can reach that conclusion. But I will just reiterate that there are no limits to what someone may find themselves saying if plunged into a situation like that and the fact that he channeled his pain and rage into words as opposed to physical actions towards her is admirable in itself. For my perspective, I’ll add that my ab*ser was a diagnosed narcissist and I struggled to watch Amber’s testimony at first because I hadn’t witnessed someone so similar to him in some time..someone who will argue that the sun isn’t bright in their alternate reality and in turn makes you argue against reality..it can really mess you up where you start to lose a grasp on it as well. Just another reason I can empathize.
Have you read anything about the crime in Australia called "glassing"? Injury due to the use of a glass bottle. Explains why all lied at the hospital, and why they got AH out of country so fast. They were protecting AH
I’m having major withdrawals…I miss Emily Baker’s live stream. So grateful for everything I learned here, I was able to separate all the false comments being made in the main stream media.
Before closing arguments, I also believed he wouldn’t win on anything other than the title. Because there was enough evidence to argue that there was mutual verbal and emotional abuse. But after closing arguments, I changed my mind. Because in a mutual abuse situation there isn’t a victim and a perpetrator - there are just mutual participants. I think true mutual abuse is extremely rare and in the vast majority of cases there is a perpetrator and there is a victim (even when there is reactive violence on the part of the victim). I personally don’t believe this particular relationship was a mutually abusive one. But there’s certainly a possibility it was. But AH’s claims to be a representative of abuse victims, implicate JD as a perpetrators can’t be true in a mutual abuse situation. There was so much evidence that she was a perpetrator of abuse and violence (not reactive), and I think the jury decided that her choice to paint herself as a victim defamed JD even if there was mutual abuse. Essentially that you don’t get to claim victimhood and vilify your partner if you were an equal participant (or worse, the sole perpetrator) in a toxic and abusive relationship.
Question: What are your thoughts on the immediate statement AH made after the verdict where she defamed JD again? Specifically stating everything was about JD? She doubled down on everything. Then with Umbridge coming out today straight up calling out the jury saying they went against the courts ruling by researching this on social media. How would SHE know what soc med was saying unless SHE researched everything? Elaine was just the WORST attorney.
With so many comments, I doubt you'll see this. Even so, I thought I'd pop in and say that I just heard the BBC World News report on NPR and they mentioned Law & Crime and Emily D. Baker. When they brought up the insane number of trial viewers online, I knew they'd mention you... and still got excited when I heard them say your name! So proud of you for just being fully YOU and doing what you do in all your awesomeness!
Emily D Baker - Thank you!! You have reset the standard expected of news and social media reporting. The people have overwhelming supported your ethics in respectfully and informatively reporting “facts and not f$&kery!!”.
I am happy for Johnny in this win. While Amber lied and lied through her teeth, we do need to remember her diagnosis from Dr. Curry. We are seeing first hand what kind of effects mental health can have on someone. It does not excuse the behavior she has presented.
I agree with you but I also think that if you have a mental disorder and it causes you to do the things that Amber Heard was doing it is your responsibility to get help. She has said she has PTSD because it helps with her case but she has been told she has these personality disorders. Will she seek help for that or will she deny the diagnosis? We only have time to see that. She sounds like she doesn't want to admit that that's the thing she has. She wants to truly believe she does have PTSD. I don't know if she will get help but I would really very much like to see her do so. Will her ego get in the way?
As one who has BiPolar Disorder, I have worked in support groups with family and friends who are trying to understand and deal with a lived one suffering from a mental health disorder(s). Two points I emphasize about mental health disorders and ask those I meet in support grouos are: (1) a mental health disorder is a malfunction or “sickness” of the brain that causes dysfunction of a sufferers brain, such that it dies not work in the same way that the brain would otherwise work if the disorder didn’t exist in their loved one. This brain dysfunction that a mental disorder causes is every bit as real as disfunction of the heart, liver, kidneys, or any other organ from a sickness or disease. Just like symptoms from heart disease, for example, are not voluntary or controllable via will power, symptoms from a mental disorder are not voluntary. Many symptoms if a mental disorder are viewed as a kind if bad behavior or a character flaw that the sufferer us voluntarily perpetrating. Because symptoms of a mental disorder manifest primarily through the sufferer’s behavior, the symptoms are viewed as bad behavior that isn’t being controlled. The reality is that those symptoms as a result of a mental disorder are just as involuntary as shortness of breath from heart diseaae is and most time tge sufferer isn’t aware that their symptoms/behavior is not out of the norm. Someone with BiPolar Disorder in the midst if an episode of mania or a manic attach are not cognizabt that they are manic and many times just feel like they are “energetic”. So, a key to understanding mental health disorder itself is understanding that symptoms are not bad behavior or character flaws, but rather involuntary symptoms of the mental disorder. (2). A mental disorder effectively results in a type of irrationality in tge suffers behavior that is every bit a symptom of the disordered brain function, just like symptoms from liver disease are the result of that disease. Yet, those dealing with a sufferer whi is exhibiting a type of irrationality as a symptom if a nental dusirder are exorcted to act rationally abd are viewed negatively or even with hostility when they exhibit irrational behavior. Expecting someone with a mental disorder to act rationally and control symptoms of irrationality is, in itself, not rational. I ask those I work with in support groups to think of someone who is exhibiting behavioral synonyms from a mental disorder like someone who is very drunk m, except mental disorder symptoms are not self-inflicted like getting drunk is (not saying a mental disorder is like being a drunk, just using an example to help describe something that isn’t easily understood by someone who doesn’ experience mental disirder effects). Just like you wouldn’t/couldn’t expect sineibe who is very drunk to think and act rationally and treat then as fully tationak beings while drunk, the same hilds true for irrational behavior as a symptom of a mental disorder. Many times sineibe will acknowledge or claim that another person is a narcissist, but then be surprised or disdainful of that person exhibiting narcissistic symptoms or behavior. The doctors I work with in support groups cringe when I say the following, but it drives the point home to those who are trying to understand mental disorder symptons and effects…. Someone with a mental disorder is a type of irrational being as a result of the disorder they suffer with and irrational beings think irrationally and act irrationally. Yet, most expect these irrational beings to be fully rational. Expecting sineibe with a mental disorder to think and act like they would if they did ‘t have the disorder is like working with a broken pocket calculator and punching in the same numbers you want to add over and over and expecting the calculator to ultimately display the correct answer. Akl if this is not ab excuse fir behavioral synonyms from mental disorders, but rather, an explanation of why suffers of mental disorders exhibit behavior that appears to be bad behavior ir character flaws or lack if self-control. While there is a better understanding among more people that mental disorders exist and are real, the understanding of how the effects of mental disorder manifest is not as understood nor accepted.
I don't comment often on anyone's vids...but when I do it because I genuinely feel they are good people..And you ma'am are good people. And BTW you killed it on that newscast. 👏
If I recall correctly, Emily did say somewhere that something like that can happen where she can’t speak about it anymore. Might not have been Emily but I feel like I remember that.
Yes, they will likely petition the court to prevent her from talking about him publically in the future. If you'll notice, the very long statement she posted to her Twitter, his name is not in it once. Her attys have told her she has to tread carefully about what she says publically whole she has the option to appeal.
Really appreciate the perspective and the break down. I think this is part of what makes this stuff so interesting because we dont see proceedings every day and dont fully understand how and what everything means.
Question: Given that Amber plans to appeal this verdict, do you think this is an appeal that will get denied or do you think this could get dragged back into court? For someone who claimed that she just wanted this to be over, and to move on with her life, I think it's telling that she wants to appeal. Probably cause she didn't get the result she wanted. Want to thank you for all the time, and effort you put into streaming this trial and helping us make sense of a trial that has been truly one of a kind.
Based on her statement, she really has no idea, or refuses to not have any idea. Either way, SHE appears to be surrounded by “yes men”, cuz if that was my sister, I’d tell her to not make a statement like that. She will also continue to infuriate REAL DV survivors.
I find it bizarre how Amber keeps harping on and referring to her prized “Mountain of evidence.” I feel like an actual victim would simply say that they shared the truth. They had the truth on their side and the jury didn’t see it. But she only refers to her precious “mountain of evidence” AKA altered photos, trimmed video clips, out of context photos of Johnny sleeping and audio of vomiting, etc that she was sure to collect over the years and use one day, and they still didn’t side with her
I think this case ripped open the wounds and bandages of everyone who has ever suffered abuse at home. Johnny caused us to look at our own hurt lives, as we shared in his.
@@kathypiazza4567 I'm sorry to learn this, but I sincerely believe that greater than 50%of the population has been abused by those they loved and trusted.....
Her statement is INFURATING. She continues to see herself as a martyr, despite the whole world seeing her lies on parade. It's mind boggling
She is insisting on defaming him again. He may have to take her to court again.
And she might always be the matyr/victimn in her mind. It fits with BPD that is not managed. It's frustrating, but it's likely part of mental illness for her. She needs mental help to manage her personality disorder(s). Hope she gets it before she harms herself and others further.
I refuse to read or see anything with her in it. Ignore her. Hopefully she’ll go away soon. Fade into obscurity.
Like, damn girl, fire your therapist and get a new one because the whole world just saw ALL of your personality disorders on display and how much havoc they create.
Yea, also the amount of people writing articles in her favour whilst saying 'I didn't watch the trail' is also extra infuriating
It’s sad that Amber is still trying to blame everyone else. Can’t believe she thought calling others liars was a great move.
Are you really surprise, it's how she protects her inner wounded child.
The thing is, she doesn't care what she has to do or say in her attempt to make people believe her. We saw that so clearly with this trial. So grateful to the jury for giving Johnny the justice he deserves. 🖤💚
$10.35 million - $2 million = $8.35 million she owes Johnny. If I were him, I'd donate $7 million to the charities she never paid, and give the rest to my lawyers.
Amber hole keeps digging that hole for herself.
She needs therapy.
Johnny's statement was a huge tell! He eloquently spoke and supported all of those involved at the court house, his lawyers, his team and that was amazing. He was gracious and didn't come across as arrogant. Whereas, the same could not be said as Ms Heard. I think those who watched this case from beginning to end could see through the pretense. THANK YOU Ms Emily D Baker for breaking it all down for the law nerds! "Veritas numquam perit. Truth never perishes."
Yes ! And definitely no thank yous from her , not to her lawyers, not to her family and friends
@@lucylufrank3770 And she also didn't clap when the judge and others in the court room were thanked for their hard work. Her post trial statement she simply doubles down her narrative as if this trial never happened. In her twisted thinking validates her claims. And Elaine's interviews bare that out.
That really means nothing. Abusers can be well liked, charming people.
Amber: "I just want Johnny to leave me alone and let me move on with my life, but instead he keeps dragging me into court because he can't let me go."
Also Amber: Filing an appeal with the court.
I think the one count the jury found for Amber is fair. That didn’t bother me. It shows, in my opinion, that the jury considered all things.
Amber is in a true echo chamber if she seriously thinks she is still a spokeswoman for DV.
DV survivors don’t like her and don’t want her “representing” them.
This absolutely was a win for DV victims! Johnny was a victim. Amber will never see it that way bc she will never admit to her ugly actions and she will never consider a man to be a victim. She said as much when she dared him to bring his story to the public and say that him, “a man”, is also a victim.
I am so happy I was able to watch you live as the verdict was read! It was the only time I wasn’t part of the replay crew due to work, but being able to watch the verdict live was a great way to wrap this up! Thank you for providing this space for us law nerds!
@ivah kennis Lots of abuse survivors in comments sections say as much, Ive been seeing it since the deposition videos and audio were release leaked. And one You Tuber that I've seen so far. That was a very interesting video, her name is Nicque Marina I think.
The thousands of opinions are out there if you look, and they are NOT bots or part of a smear campaign either!
I so agree! As I listened to her taunt, to me it echoed the taunt of abusers regardless of gender of their victim. Think about how many Moms get taunted they aren’t “real mom”, others being taunted against being “a real woman”, etc. She knew his rep was important to him, just like other abusers. MeToo has to recognized men too are abused by partners & many are Women harming Women’s voices because lies, lies, lies of such chip away at accusations of abuse. Those women as just as much using our “culture’s wrath” against victims. I’m tired of Men hating women dictating what ALL women must be and what “counts” in Women’s Rights. For 60 yrs I’ve witnessed a war of MALES and trying to silence other women who don’t agree with their war. Sorry but abusers abuse & she’s shown she abuses and manipulates
@ivah kennis men and women when it comes to DV are equal entities. Abuse is abuse no matter where it comes from. Just bc a woman abused a man doesn’t make the man less of a victim. Mission NGO is an international organization for dv that has come out in support of JD.
It tells me that the jury were sick of hearing rambling, over the top, stories filled with lies and speculation.
@ivah kennis I have suffered from DV, and violence is violence, abuse is abuse. It should be viewed equally no matter who the perpetrator or victim is.
Johnny’s statement was a consideration of truth, his legal team, his supporters, and his family. Amber’s statement was a continuation of her victimization. The fact that the jury were so thorough in their verdict is incredible!
The zero punitive damages for Amber was telling. The jury wasnt buying any of her bs
I agree. I think the jury was really thorough. It wasn't just, 'We don't believe Amber.' They really paid attention to the specific claims. To be flooded with all this information and to be able to make a sound judgment at the end of these draining 6 weeks shows what a good jury this group was.
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@@smk9320 We should not ignore that the jury got to go home for 10 days in the middle of the trial, no matter what we think about AH and JD that is a a big problem, because does we really believe that everyone did not hear someone talk about the trial, they didnt read newspapers, never got online etc..
So no matter what we think about AH or JD that makes med want to do a Emily and say 'I have questions!'
@@karatekaninen3045 good point!
My mother: Johnny won 15 mil.
Me: well the lawyer I watched said it's technically 10.3 and all the headlines are gonna be wrong lol
Me today lmao. I was politely explaining Virginia's cap on punitive damages 😅😂
Haha doing the same here in Australia
Same!!! I was explaining this to anyone who said - JD got 15million! Um no lol
If Amber Heard appeals it completely goes against her party line of “I just want Johnny to leave me alone I want to move on with my life.”
@@HKotolos well I mean she completely destroyed his life and thought her puppy dog eyes and emotional language would garner support. All while trying to act like she just wanted to move on. It would totally further show that she doesn’t “just want to be left alone”
@Agent K, those are my thoughts exactly. She’s the one who keeps going after him!
She wanted to move on with her life,with Johnny's money!
@@jenniferhyde5389 THAT part
He brought this to court- I don’t think her appealing is failing to leave him alone, it’s responding to a financial loss.
The contradiction of AH saying that she just wants JD to leave her alone but will most likely still file an appeal to continue going through this 🤦🏻♀️
She has to. She has more to lose financially. After all, he was the person who instigated this case first. Though I get what you are saying She should never have wrote the article. She should have just enjoyed her divorce money & moved on.
She can file doesn’t mean it will be approved.
She wants him to leave her alone, but she still wants to receive his money!
Also, now her lawyer is doing all the tv shows continuing the lies! So infuriating.
@@intuitivediane I do believe right before the 2018 op ed, Amber initiated or started to/tried to initiate an arbitration against Johnny. This was well after their dissolution. So it’s hard to say that he was the instigator especially if you believe his statements that she was the abuser because then she is truly the instigator by making false allegations to begin with.
Let’s be clear… Amber showed herself to be the personification of Dr. Currey’s diagnosis. I believe the jury saw this and did not believe the accusations of physical and sexual abuse. Her behaviour on the stand was histrionic and her stories of abuse lacked detail, evidence and her behaviour was not that of a victim. Rather, her picture evidence did not support what she said she suffered and the sound evidence showed her to be the abuser. ❤️ from Australia 🇦🇺.
Do you know the timestamp of Dr curry's superchat?
Add to that the cackling on the tapes, crazy nastiness … who hadn’t met someone who pressed grit buttons then stood back and watched, or in her case filmed it.
@@sunflower9481 Sorry, I don’t. I just remember seeing it early in the video I think. ❤️🇦🇺
True. I even saw a video of her making a dirty finger to Johnny while going up the stand. That side is exactly where the jury
was seated but idk if the jury noticed it. That's why people believe in JD. Not only because of the lies she fabricated but because of her actions.
Question: Given that AH's counter claim was about Waldman's statement being defamatory. Wouldn't or couldn't Elaine's statements post verdict be seen as equally slanderous especially when she sits there and outright lies about the UK trial, and continues to misrepresent what took place in this trial. She's attempting to gaslight and rewrite history hoping interviewers and the general public didn't actually watch this trial.
Exactly.
Those were also my thoughts.
Exactly, what I am thinking. Elaine told the Today Show's anchor, that Johnny, had been charged with 15 counts of abuse on Amber; but, the Va court, would'nt allow it in. LIES!
The UK case, was against The Sun, not Amber! Burns me up!
I wish we could pin your comment to the top so everyone read this
"No matter what happens, I did get here and I did tell the truth. And I have spoken up for what I've been carrying on my back reluctantly for six years" Johnny Depp
Johnny freed himself by truthfully telling who he is. The understanding, wish for him to conquer his problems and sympathy for his abuse, show how people value fairness and truth.
I would believe AH’s abuse claims if she provided just 1 piece of evidence: (1) medical records that document treatment for a broken nose and busted lip, or (2) testimony from a doctor or plastic surgeon for treating / fixing a broken nose and busted lip. This is such basic evidence that anybody would be able to provide if they suffered these injuries. But asking anyone to believe that a person who makes a living based in good part on their appearance and doesn’t have any evidence supporting a claim of a broken nose and busted lip is an insult to the public’s intelligence.
AH us a classic con artist and will say and do anything to get what she wants. Aside from JD, AH even conned the wealthiest man in the world into making donations on her behalf to help pay pledge obligations she made.
I just want to say thank you for keeping all of us entertained and educated these past 6 weeks! You have opened me up to a whole new world of UA-cam. You are amazing! ❤️
I'm having withdraws already😊
I totally agree. Found Emily because of this trial but I for sure will be watching her other stuff. Really enjoy her commentary. The badass lawyer who loves the cursey words and no fuckery!
I went into this trial believing that they were in a toxic relationship and likely abusive towards each other, however through the witnesses, expert testimony and the photo/audio evidence I believe whole heartedly that Amber abused Johnny.
Since the 2nd 911 call wasn't covered in the trial, the jury probably thought that Waldman DID make that info up to defame (lie to) AH. Waldman was telling the truth, he was just the only one that knew it.
I saw testimony about second call
He also said that a lawyer helped her doing all that, this is a big accusation.
I couldn’t understand why it wasn’t mention…if they knew about it…I’m sure she would have got nothing…🥰
I honestly think the jury didn't fully understand how damages worked so they tried to just split it up. I think if they had realized that the punitive were limited to $350k, they would have given him the full $15million for compensatory.
jury 1) didnt know that virgina has a limit of $380,000. thats why the $5 million was reduced... otherwise i bet the 10 million would have been higher. 2) they were not givin audio and or video recordings?...only transcripts and 3) jd's lawyer didnt have evidence to his claims in its exactness
Exactly my impression. Pity. But, in the end, I don't think she'll be giving him any money, and if she would, it would go to the lawyers, so who cares. Johnny is going to go back making real money through more, important, films, which is... oh so right!
Agreeing with this assessment. Imagine if JD gives another $100,000 to the CHLA, anonymously on a date of significance next year. They'd/We'd all know who it is.
@@DuhPunnyQuan they were given recordings of the things they'd recorded, just not audio of court proceedings?
@@DuhPunnyQuan I believe the jury awarded him exactly half of what his salary was for Pirates 5 AND AH's $2M is also half of the salary her contract stated she'd receive if hired for Aquaman 3.
It’s really cool that the closing arguments were 6 years to the day that Amber ruined his life. Now he’s got it back. 🥰
On his daughter’s birthday is even better lol
@@MiMi-js5nw Actually, I think he finds the closing statements and the jury beginning deliberations coinciding with his daughter's birthday appalling and is not something he would not be lol-ing over. He was probably a bit horrified his daughter had to experience this on her b-day instead of fully enjoying herself -- but that's just my opinion, and I may see things differently.
@@B_Bodziak very right.
Amber took this date on purpose.
She is very jealous of Johnny and Lily Rose.
They were close from her birth on and Lily Rose was not at their wedding.
She spoke up to her dad to not marry Amber.
So did his sister, Lily Rose's aunt Chrissy.
It would be a typical Amber move to hurt Johnny's beloved daughter. She must be very jealous because Lily Rose is more successful than she ever will be.
Lily Rose is a Chanel model and she played in more big movies than Amber.
There once was a man called Depp
Who suffered a terrible rep
When the jury came in,
the verdict favored him
Three cheers and three counts for Monsieur Depp!
I like that, its cool
Beautiful
I want to point this out, I used to work for a well known magazine and the titles are often taken from a quote in the article, which is EXACTLY what they did with “I spoke up against blah blah blah” so her saying she didn’t write is insane. She did! Those are 100% her words.
So true. Also it’s what she has been complaining about trough out the whole trial. And what she has been saying in other media, like the evidence clip of the Dutch tv show: How she has been getting so much hate everywhere. How he is protected coz he is so powerful. How she wants to speak up and help other women who can’t speak up and she will use her platform for them and awareness. So how could she even try to imply she didn’t fully stand behind that title. And if she wasn’t… she could’ve shown an email or something where she was discussing changing the title. But that’s nowhere to be found
Johnny’s statement made no digs at Heard whereas hers took a swipe at him in her first sentence. Says a lot!
Amber self sabotaged. She made a series of terrible choices that she has to now pay for. The only time I felt true emotion from her was when the verdict was read. Thank God justice was served 🙏 💚💙💜
I felt something when she was talking about her career. She was genuinely sad when her career was crashing in front of her.
Sadly, she was the reason for the breakdown of everything and she must be held accountable
Same.
@@msings998 there are tapes she threatened JD and he didn’t wanted to bring this to court but she gave him no choice. He warned her a couple of time so i don’t feel sorry or sad for her. She brought this all up herself and need to seek help
agree
Yeah❣🙏
Johnny was spotted a couple of miles up the road, at the quayside. (Newcastle, England) So happy for him, finally getting justice
About 6 minutes from my home
Just up the road from me too.
I'm so glad that he is starting to get his life back.
Disgusting that Eve Barlow tried to portray it as anything else. She and AH are the ones who can't let things go, not JD.
I watched this all here with Emily earlier today. I don’t know if it’s because I am Now hooked on the case & Emily but I am not sleeping so I am rewatching this. I also watched a clip from tonight’s Jeff Beck concert. Johnny got 2 standing ovations- upon joining the stage then once his performance was over. It was very apparent that the ovation was mostly for his win in court today. Beck was all smiles (he doesn’t smile a lot from what I have seen all my life, while on stage. Talking about music & his cars I have seen him smile) & hugged Depp.
yeah cos he's not an abuser at all 🙄
Newcastle fans at the pub loved him! Wish I'd got tickets!
I’m from the UK and the UK trial was pretty shady. They didn’t have a jury in the UK trial, it was just the judges decision. There are all kind of weird connections between the Judge and the Sun newspaper. The company behind that newspaper have a lot of sway and are a powerful entity
The Sun literally exists on publishing borderline-defamatory articles based on unreliable, shady "sources" 🤣 But I don't think anyone with more than 6 braincells to rub together actually reads and believes that garbage...
It was never supposed to be a jury trial and it really wasn’t that shady. It was also a completely different trial, Depp vs The Sun, not Depp vs Heard like this case. The one in the UK was simply to determine if The Sun had reason to print a story saying Heard was accusing Depp of beating her, which they did have since Heard testified that is what she was saying and had enough evidence for that to be a reasonable assumption.
If the UK case was, did Depp actually beat Heard, or, Is Heard telling the complete truth, then we would have most likely seen a similar verdict to this case.
I’m also from the UK btw.
I agree. There was “evidence” allowed from Amber including hearsay just that her friends said. Lots wasn’t allowed from Johnny. There were also articles stating that the judge had connections with “The Sun” editor. You can read the judgement from that case online. The judge on that case retired a month later.
I’m glad this was televised so we could hear for ourselves that Amber was the abuser. He isn’t perfect and he said that but I do not believe based on the evidence that we saw that he is a physical abuser. She lied multiple times on oath xx
@@rubybuttons668 No it was Hella Shady.
@@rubybuttons668 A lot of Johnny's evidence was denied, DENIED. The Judge took ALL of Amber's word for it. Mad shady.
Emily….you killed it tonight on television…..your legal expertise and analysis of trial law was brilliant. Good on you for not taking the gossip/ drama bait and keeping it on law….
What network was it so I can look it up?
@@highjinx6519 FOX11 Los Angeles.
@@alex_n215 ty!
Thank you for being you! I am a retired family law lawyer from Canada, and I have been thoroughly enjoying your coverage of the Johnny Depp trial.
Thank you so much Nancy!!! I appreciate the complement from a fellow professional!
I think the biggest gain JD has made is showing how some lie and yes men are also abused. His message was well said also once the verdict announced. Thankbyou Emily for straight forward non-biased talk and knowledge through these weeks. Looking forward to the next!
I like that Amber was a blatant case of Narcissism, she will be studied for years, I think many lawyers, judges, DV therapists and couple therapists, and many others will at least look more on the other side even when it doesn’t sound like common sense. many of us tried to divorce an Amber. Many have lost so much. This case will help so many people.
I thought she said she wanted him to leave her alone, yet she won’t let it go. 🤷🏽♀️
Yep she is appealing.😅🧐
@@alanatrotman2750 It’s over $10 million dollars- I think appealing is partly a financial decision.
In the UK the judge based his verdict on Amber gave the 7million and Stating that JD had memory impairment so how could he know if he did it or not. Took Amber's word as the Gospel
I am a victim of DV and I have PTSD not just from him but from the courts allowing him to keep me in court for 8 1/2 years, bankrupting me and causing extreme and permanent damage to our kids. Because of this I couldn't watch a blow by blow (real time) of this case. I was upset by the fact that they found anything for her and I appreciate your explanation. Thanks!
So sorry Brenda, hope you have a better life now and have healed. Thoughts 🙏🏾❤️
Hugs Brenda, you are strong and inspiring, thank you for sharing
Ironically, the same traits that make her so dangerous did her in: If her lies were just a bit more well thought out, and her delivery slightly less unhinged, this case might have been unwinnable for JD.
It was her case to lose and she lost it
@@CJAmara Indeed, they literally could not stop digging themselves deeper on many occasions.
I just wrote that in another thread! If her stories were fewer and less spicy maybe we'd have a different verdict. Her over the top elaborate tales sank her.
No I think it was based on evidence -that Johnny had & witnesses ,While she had nothing!!even if she was not unhinged & intelligent. Though that would mean that she had a different personality.
or if she pretended to be in the hospital for the past 6 weeks and only recovered for the verdict she'd of prob won. the case was super stacked against Depp.
To be fair I don't think an injunction should be thought of as silencing, but more of a way of protecting Depp if she tries it again and not having to continue to go to court because she won't leave him alone. The victim should be protected.
Thoroughly agree. This woman will drag Johnny Depp to the ends of the world if she was allowed
She probably has a book in the pipeline. Will anyone want to publish it tho? AH has a child to look after and it would be wise to keep her head down for a few years and probs get off the Colombian marching powder.
@@moirared04 unfortunately what with her statement & with Eve Barlow's Twitter posts re: JD, I don't think that AH has taken that lesson from this case.
YES! Please go through evidence that didn’t come into court; there’s a lot out there and I really have seen any of it yet! 💜
yes!! a guy at an auto shop had a life threatning altercation with ah and her father right after the divorce and had to report it.
Yes! I would like to know why the teams agreed to not use the 5 hour recording from Australia immediately following his finger being injured.
@@B_Bodziak because someone in the audio was dead. So they couldn’t be questioned. It would all be speculation
@@deecee7042 That cannot be the reason. The US supreme Court ruled that a deceased person doesn't have rights. Additionally, given that it's not possible for a deceased person to waive their rights AND since people cannot experience any type of damages or hardship after death, their consent to waive their rights is not needed. The supreme court ruling pertains to a case of releasing a deceased person medical records, as well as, waiving the deceased person's rights to attorney-client privilege. I'm not sure where it started that a tape was inadmissible because the person who passed away can't sign a waiver of release, but it is not accurate. As for questioning, like other tapes, parts of the recording with only those who can testify was not even played. The doc telling the nurse what AH said to him about the finger and saying she feels guilty could have been played and all 3 could have been questioned about what each said. It's possible Dr Kipper wouldn't sign a release. It's also possible that both sides compromised and agreed to only include the private audio recordings that have only JD and AH on them (at least I recall all the recordings had both JD and AH and no one else OR if the recording cannot be authenticated since AH testified she didn't make the recording and that JD must have done it on her phone, but JD has stated he did not make the recording. This would be very legally convenient for AH.
I'm curious to know why it 2asnt used and what JD's team gained in exchange for not submitting even parts of the 5 Hour recording since it basically exonerates him and that she is fully responsible for the injury. There also isnt a pre-trial ruling about the tape when I looked at the filed court documents on the Fairfax Clerk's site.
@@B_Bodziak the judge ruled it was hearsay due to the fact one individual on the tape was deceased
Amber Heard's statement following the jury decision is pure "hate" and a testimony to Dr. Curry's description of her psychosis. In contrast, was Johnny's statement which was pure class - hope he is invited to host the Oscars next year.💥💥
Yes! That would be awesome
Borderline isn’t psychosis. Wtf. Stop
He's too private to do that...
I've been scouting Twitter the last few days for Amber supporters. Just to see what they're saying. My conclusion is that AH is living in an echo chamber - many feminists are tweeting that just by virtue of taking her to court (again) he's abusing her. They're also saying that Amber's abuse was reactive - JD was older, richer, more powerful, so "obviously" he was the one in control; she eventually couldn't stand his "coercive", "financial", etc abuse, and therefore started to lash out. If these are the people, and messaging, she's surrounding herself with, it's not shocking she believes she's a martyr.
@@DevHazy agree borderline is not psychosis but they can have micropsychotic episodes
I think the verdict was fair. The only part of her story that was pretty cohesive was that last apartment incident (and by her story I mean her witnesses’ version) the rest was a mess. It shows the jurors really looked at all the evidence and didn’t just decide on likeability.
Except the duplicate wine photos were tied to that day and the submission of those photos in 2 different events should have impeached her friends imo
Didn’t what?? 😂😂😂
Amber is the only person to blame for her own demise in this case. Her testimony was horrible. I didn't believe a single word that left her mouth. The crying and sobbing came across as completely fake to me. Her entire tone sounded like a rehearsed performance, staged, unnatural. Her allegations were completely over the top, outlandish, crazy. In none of the voice recordings did she appear to be scared of the man that allegedely beat her countless times. Nah, I don't buy any of it. She lied. I'm 100% convinced.
It sounds like it came down to who the best actor is then for you?
@@mtz6198 If someone is acting at all on the stand, then that's a huge problem. So it's not about who is the best actor, it's about who appeared to the jury to BE acting.
yeh then no medical care after being raped by a broken glass bottle? she was bleeding from the vagina yet took sleeping pills and went to bed. WTF?? i mean all the beatings...broken nose, black eyes, busted lips yet no medical attention ever.
@@mtz6198 Sure does. Amber was terrible. She made faces of a person crying, but there were no tears. Acting was terrible and her mountain of evidence didn't back up to the story she told.
OMG AH was so over the top - after hearing those recordings where she's admitting brutalizing him, humiliating him, manipulating him, and he just calmly takes it... who could believe he beat her and threw her around like a rag doll? For days on end? And if it were true, would she not have been hospitalized? Unreal.
What do you think Johnny had to go through when Amber spread those horrible lies about him. He got the same treatment she now has to endure. What makes her so special that she's exempt. She started it and now Johnny finished it with victory. Now she has to suffer the fate she put Johnny through.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
If she were a man, I would bet money she would be facing perjury charges and jail time. She’ll never face any actual consequences and that pisses me off.
Yes, now Johnny is a "public figure having undergone defamation claims"
In Spanish, Italian and English we have a saying, "he who laughs last laughs best."
@@bburgess5003 they’re looking into it in Australia, England and here from what I understand. I understand your pessimism because unfortunately that’s usually the case but I’m trying to be optimistic and hope they make an example out of her. Even if it’s just fines and probation although jail time would be poetic.
I never realized how much I loved the law till I was screaming at my tv asked and answered, move to strike, ect love watching you!!!
Yes, me too! It would’ve been so cool to see a montage of viewers’ reactions, much like the YT law nerds compilations.
@@midlifemom5829 it’s to bad I’m to old to go to law school, I think I would have loved it! However I watch a lot of medical shows, and think I would have also been a great doctor! Lol
@@KarenDriscoll-Scrapbyscrap , yes those shows make us want a do-over because they make it so exciting! I hope this trial creates a new generation of future professionals following the footsteps of Ben Chew, Camilla Vasquez, and Dr . Curry
@@KarenDriscoll-Scrapbyscrap I doubt you're too old
I didn't even take the LSAT until my 50s. You owe it to yourself to at least check out what you might be missing by not even attempting it. It doesn't cost much to study for a take the LSAT.
AH basically shot herself in the foot with her over the top testimony. She also said out of her own mouth on the stand that the op-ed was about JD.
Arrogance.
I'm happy that Emily is doing tv, bringing a voice of reason to mass misinformarion. Proud of you, real leader of positive change
@ivah kennis well considering people enjoying Fox are often the ones going after "blue haired" snowflakes... Well 😂 maybe it's therapeutic for them
@ivah kennis it'll be the only honest thing that's ever been broadcast on that station.
Just watched your interview on FOX 11 Los Angeles and you did a fabulous job! You were eloquent, unflappable and the most professional person on the show. Here, we saw you as if you're our knowledgeable friend watching with us. But I just saw a whole other side to you, your professional mien and I was impressed! (While it's of little import compared to your work, I still want to say you looked great!)
It’s funny how Amber claimed freedom of speech when she turned off comments on her IG statement . Such a hypocrite
😂...HOW convenient!....in Australia we call her a ....Dag....which is the shit that hangs off a sheeps bum!...She publishes her bs on Instagram and ONCE AGAIN she PROVES exactly who and what she is.....she'll be lucky if she works in movies again!
It’s her Instagram, freedom of speech doesn’t mean an individual has to allow any content on their own page.
I truly believe the jury decided for AH on those small points so they would not be viewed as biased and they could prevent her from getting an appeal.
Are they going to appeal?
and yet people are still claiming bias... idk how
@@MezzoMamma1 yes, so much for the "i just want johnny to leave me alone" argument
"No" on the latter claim. The jury doesn't care about her ability to appeal. Doesn't effect them, none of their business.
It did seem like a bit of an olive branch. Maybe to nudge future defendants in defamation cases to also make counter-claims.
My first thought after the verdict was it may be possible the jury awarded JD $10M because that is half of his salary for Pirates 5, AND also awarded AH $2M because that is half of what her contract stated she would earn if the studio exercised her option for Aquaman 3.
That was my first thought right after hearing the verdicts, my second thought was the jurors didn't want to award the full amount for these future roles because they didn't want to award the full amount of what they would have been paid given that they actually didn't have to do it/go to work and earn it.
You answered my question re: "how institutions protect powerful men".
I definitely didn't think any institutions protected Depp when this happened, the opposite in fact. They dropped him like a hot potato and the press ran his name into the dirt for 4 years.
I'm glad you explained this particular point because I just found it amazing that anyone would claim Depp was protected. He clearly lost roles, huge roles, fantastic beasts for example. Most of his sponsorships deals went away, except for Dior.
Also if anyone can answer this, why exactly was there no evidence on the record of the second call?
That would seem to be evidence that Depp's sidd would introduce, if it actually exists.
I would think the LAPD would have 911 records of a second call if there was one.
I watched something on the internet regarding the two calls to the police.
Amber was on the phone with someone in New York. Might have been the human being Eye - OH or somebody else.
This telephone partner was supposed to inform the police about some dv taking place in the penthouse.
When you call 911 in New York it will set up the new york police.
So someone else did call from Los Angeles as well.
There is actually a recording of the 911 call from Los Angeles.
The caller is female and the call was strange.
The officer asked some questions and the caller answered.
Didn't make sense at all and the police had to make sure that everyone was okay there. So they sent a team of officers.
Thank God they did send two teams. Proof for Johnny.
Caller was not in the building now and when the assault happened.
The victim of the assault was a woman and the attacker was a man.
This were the q and a of the call.
Maybe it is on
'Incredibly average' channel
I heard there was some legal issues regarding permitting the second call into the trial. I can't remember the specifics but there was an issue and theres probably a video about it out there.
I already thought Emily was pretty smart and reasonable, but that is ENTIRELY re-enforced every time she goes "this isn't my stance, but I can see the reasoning behind it and respect it is a sound conclusion" just really restores my faith in humanity every time. Hearing about the Heard-favored ruling makes me feel better. I don't agree with the jury there personally, but there's a thru line, and they're not stupid. We should all strive to be like that, life would get easier for a lot of us to live.
I didn't expect it. But I think I actually do agree with most parts of it. Seems to me very specific and wildly speculative to craft that narrative on what she and her friends intended and what that interaction with police looked like. I don't think I would have found Waldman an agent of Depp, though.
What I think happened with the whole “roughed the place up” incident is I think after the police left they “roughed up the place” to take pictures to use as evidence
Imagine you live with someone who's belittling you, physically assaulting you and being generally abusive. And at one point you lash back, are you really abusive at that point or just trying to defend yourself?
Right, because defending yourself is not abuse!
Having lived through that myself I think the answer is probably somewhere in the middle. It's a very grey place to reside, but I do think the nuance matters, as those of us who do end up in reactive abuse situations may struggle greatly with guilt and shame, and it's because we feel at our core that we've been "just as bad". The fulcrum here isn't whether the behavior is abusive, but what the motivation for that behavior is and whether it makes the person an Abuser. Anyone can be abusive. Abusers do it purposefully, systematically, and with intent to control and instill fear. Those motivations aren't present in reactive abuse, which is what I think distinguishes it from patterned abuse by a primary aggressor. That's just me though. There are a number of approaches to the subject and I don't think there's only one way to look at it productively.
You end the relationship.
They belittled each other often, they should have never gotten married
@@mtz6198 That's not quite as simple as you make it out to be. You've very likely been with this person for awhile and wondering wtf actually happened and when things changed and what YOU did wrong.
@@mtz6198 Ambers type of personality will love bomb at the beginning of the relationship so you think you have met the person of your dreams. Once they know they have you hooked that’s when the abuse starts, if they think they are losing control the love bombing starts again or the threats of self harm they will commit if you leave them. Their victims are usually empaths and once reeled in it is very hard to extract themselves. Even once they have rid themselves of this person, the abuse does not stop, then comes the false accusations exactly the way AH turned on JD. The abuser cannot handle being rejected or discarded. JD told Amber he wanted out, he just gave her the opportunity to file for the divorce so she could save face.
She should have another defamation case for continuing to say Johnny was abusive post verdict. 😡 The effing nerve on this broad.
"This case was lost by Amber Heard, more than it was won by Johnny Depp." The most accurate reflection of the case.
Law nerds....im so happy to have found y'all. Trying to watch anyone else cover anything on this case just breaks my heart. The narrative people and media is trying to spin is gutting to the big picture of this case. So thank you all for being so....amazing!!
Thanks!
Moral of the story- Don’t hit ppl no matter how mad you get.
Nah
They should have only awarded Amber that dollar but I’m thankful they gave Johnny his justice that was long overdue to the tune of 10 million
Love you, Emily!! Your commentary is both informative and fun! I've been addicted to your channel all throughout this trial. Thank you for the hours of diversion.
Amber's team keeps having to talk about the verdict being such a set back for women of the public.
1. This case was about Depp and Heard, not the public.
2. This was a civil case, not a criminal case. Not that I believe Johnny beat her anyway.
3. Making these setback statements is incredibly unaccountable and a disgusting attempt at distracting.
So so so proud of you! I saw you on that Fox segment with Billy Bush! You were a rock star!!!! Great job, beautiful lady!!!
Hey Emily, thank you for your wonderful live streams and commentary. As a professor of ethnomusicology, research methods, and discourse analysis, I'm trained to pay close attention to the tone of voice as a cipher of meaning. I really appreciate your awesome commentary where you connect at such a heartfelt level of care in sharing and contextualizing with us information that relates to ethics and the law. I've learned tonnes from you during this case! Can we celebrate just a moment that the jury found for Johnny's team... on all three counts, and he can regroup and begin, as Issac Baruch said, to "start to heal"?
Oh, and another thing, Roddenborn’s argument of “if JD hit AH even once, even if AH is attacking him, he’s an abuser” is really disingenuous and I think reveals a sexist bias we have as a society.
If a husband is beating on his wife all the time, and she hits him back to defend herself, we all say “good for you girl, protect yourself from that abuser!”
If a wife is beating on her husband all the time, and according to Roddenborn, “if he hits her back even once, even to defend himself, then he’s the abuser, case closed!”
Could there be a bigger double standard that Roddenborn and the media, who seem to agree with that, could have?
Personally, I don’t think JD hit her back at all, because a punch in the face, still leaves the damage of a punch in the face, that AH never seemed to have.
I do believe JD probably, grabbed her, pushed her, held her, what I think most would consider an appropriate use of force to protect yourself from being attacked, when you don’t want to hurt the other person, probably less than a male police officer would use if a female was attacking him, because she’d probably get tased.
I could see maybe once, unintentionally JD head butted her(which was another ridiculous Roddenborn argument, head butting someone is a very “movie” thing, that’s not something you do in real life, unless it’s your last option, because it really hurts, and you could knock yourself out.) as an accident, while trying to protect himself.
👆 THIS!! Literally all of this!!!
The Rolling Stone article basically leans into that. I am shocked after all of this, the entire 6 week trial & all the evidence shown, & lies exposed the Rolling Stone still went with AH was the true victim & JD got away with being an abuser.
Because men are told to just take it. This has happened to men in my family. I believe abuse suffered by men is much more common than reported.
@@RitaBaumann I think that the rates of serious violence and homicide having such a large imbalance of male perpetrators v females mean that there is a real difference between men and women in regards to DV.
It doesn’t mean men aren’t victims. It does mean that women are statistically more at risk for serious injury and death in a relationship.
I’m sure people will say that’s sexist but it’s just fact. Every case is different but I don’t think case between to celebrities has a larger application to the general population.
@@mtz6198 I'm not saying it's equal, but I believe it's underreported. The thing is, we need to be retaught that treating each other like this is abhorrent, regardless of gender. I like that this dialog is happening.
guys she isn't humiliated. this is a time to reflect but she still claims what she said is true. it will never end with her
I read the Rolling Stone article where they went the direction of claiming AH is the true victim & JD winning sends the message that speaking out against DV from men you won't believed. I am still furious.
Amber now feels the victim of the system. Everyone just hurts her, everyone lies and she is perfect and pure like an angel. Amber will never learn. She has absolutely no self-reflection. She'll keep lying, that's all she knows.
Especially bc she probably thinks 1/3 was greater than the 0/3 she was expecting. She may be bad at acting but she is hardly dumb.
I'd be terrified of working with her. If she's still sticking with this story against someone like Johnny Depp, can you imagine how totally ruined the average person could be?
people with her personality disorders are incapable of that kind of self reflection
Oh Emily, I should have listened to you. I had empathy for Elaine representing Amber, she was just doing her job. Her interview this morning soured any empathy I had for her. I understand she's gearing up for an appeal but this nolonger feels like Zealous Advocacy, this feels like she's an accomplice to an abuser. I cannot believe she accused the jury of unprofessional behavior. It's literally everyone's fault but Amber's. I'm disgusted.
The jury did amazingly well no matter what verdict they came back with. That would’ve been so difficult I know I would’ve struggled myself with onboarding all the information and then summarising it down with such huge stakes. Their public service cannot be overstated
6 weeks is long ..I mean it's not murder or child torture
100 %
Yeah re: Johnny being verbally abusive, I 100% agree with Emily at 44:52. The horrible text messages aren't being said to Amber, just about her and some of them MONTHS after they broke up. If I recall correctly, we don't have evidence he said stuff that severe directly to her (but I could be completely mistaken). Also, shouting vs. chopping off a finger. The two things are miles apart in severity. Not only that, but Amber's testimony didn't hinge on verbal abuse, either. It focused on graphic physical abuse. Finally, even when weighing verbal abuse, it probably makes a big difference to a jury that there are recordings of Amber doing that and only text messages of Johnny venting to his friends.
I tried to explain this to someone on UA-cam, but didn't seem to matter. There's quite a few man haters out there. So pleased with the result 🎉
I agree with all that you said about the texts but he definitely used abusive language e.g hateful names, when they were arguing, however this appeared to be mutual and they both used awful language towards one another so to me it’s all a wash. They were mutually verbally abusive.
@@hollyf8889 Yeah I agree on the verbal level, they're matched. Tbh if I were a juror, I'd have probably said, "Great, let's discard shouting and look at everything worse than shouting." If you're trying to analyze the abuse and decide who came out worse, that's what you'd have to do.
After this whole trial... last night I had a dream I was a juror and Emily was the judge. 😂I’ve been on a jury 3 times and watching this I hope inspires people to remember how important of a job it is.
The jury gave the divorce settlement of $7 million back to Johnny. $10.35 minus $2 million is $8.35 million. That's $7 million with interest.
That’s not the whole amount of taxes for $7 million that the guy testified amber demanded Johnny pay for her. She wanted and received 7 million TAX FREE. It would have to be closer to 15 million. Which is what the jury wanted, with that extra 5 million. They just didn’t know that amount would be capped.
You are so correct. Yes, I hope Emily picks up on your realization. I am not a channel member, but I have been watching Emily, and she is fantastic.
It really is sweet justice!
Don’t forget he also paid the 13 million in shared dept at the time of the divorce. So he basically paid 30million ish
Emily, your commentary was so fun and easy to listen to. Can I also just say I love that shade of lip colour, and hair colour and those shades. I might start looking like you in some years.
Emily!!! Just saw you on Fox 11, you were amazing!! The best commentary on the panel!! Thank you for being amazing! 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Great coverage of this case. Looking forward to all the other case updates. Congrats on your success.
“I just want him to leave me alone”…then goes and files an ex parte TRO AND then writes the OP-ED…but she just wants him to leave her alone…hmmm
And went to see him in SF during the TRO
Oh ya! So delusional
AND will most likely file for an appeal to this case …. She’s disgusting
The thing that bothered me in Rottenborn's closing argument was when he was talking about how Depp's side thinks all victims need to be perfect. That seems like an appeal to extremes because nobody was arguing for Amber to be perfect and they sure as hell weren't arguing for ALL victims to be perfect. That's ridiculous. She just didn't make sense. Her story was inconsistent and her evidence was choppy and questionable. Any real survivor who's ever had even a fraction of what she presented makes more sense than she ever will. Nobody needs perfection, it just needs to make sense.
Rottenborn was trying to appeal to emotion and basically hope that the jury sides with them because Depp is "victim blaming". Further, he [Rottenborn] was trying to make a false equivalence of "if Depp wins, then all who are abused loses" and I personally think he was guilt tripping the jury
Glad the jury didnt buy into the bs and did their job as fact finders.
But somehow Jd wasn't allowed to be imperfect and someone who was abused..
So true! I've thought about that argument and the broader implications to abuse victims. I think the message of this decision to a domestic abuse victim is that if they decide to forego legal recourse to their abuser and instead make allegations about them in front of an international audience in the media, they need to have irrefutable evidence.
What I didn’t love about that argument from Rottenborn is that he couldn’t see how that same argument applied to Johnny. He wanted us to see Amber as an imperfect victim, but then the fact that Johnny wasn’t perfect somehow nullified him from being a victim of Amber - Rottenborn and Elaine were just talking out both sides of their mouths and hoping something they said would be believed.
@@CJAmara Everything they argued applied to Johnny. Even listening to their witness experts testifying for Heard made you think 'why does it sound like what they're saying is actually helping Johnny's case?'
I mean it's crazy. Every single aspect of this case was an exact contrast. Her team, witnesses, experts, etc. reflected her attitude and Johnny's team, witnesses, experts reflected his. Truth and sincerity in and of itself flows and connects, let alone one that is backed with evidence.
Oh my gosh, I just LOVe how your followers had to mention you were on Inside Edition. This is a pretty big deal, but I had never heard you say a thing about it. Props to your humble lawyering, making us your priority! THIS is why people love you so much!!!!💜 💜💜
Just saw your clip on Fox 11, you stayed true to your channel. The guys looked like talking heads next to your intelligent articulate recap. Billy Bush needs to let others talk! 🤨 You are the best Emily! 💜
The jury's findings on the 2nd and 3rd statements probably demonstrates their perception (like most of us watching) that it's hard to reconcile the fact that a victim of domestic abuse would confront and provoke their "abuser" in the manner she had in so many of the audio recordings. And of course the fact that she had just about zero credibility by the end of the trial.
NO ONE explains it better than you. Thank goodness so many people watch you. We're getting RELIABLE journaling and analysis from YOU. YOU are amazing 😊
I'm from the UK and get so furious with people comparing this trial with the UK verdict in any way. They are so unbelievably different. All the sun had to do was prove there was reason to believe what they printed.
AH saying 'yeah he battered me all over', showing a picture of a bruise and having one of her friends confirm he was violent in some way is all they needed.
Whether Johnny did drugs or not is irrelevant. Whether it actually happened or not is irrelevant. The only thing relevant in that case is 'did the Sun have reason to believe that what they were printing could be true?'.
The verdicts from these cases are not opposed to eachother. The verdict in the UK does not mean he was a wife-beater. It means that the Sun had a reasonable belief that he COULD have been.
That's my little rant over with 😂
To be precise, the court in UK did say that 12 incidents had been proven. It was shady because they ignored anything that Depp said but still, the verdict definitly say that the judge believe he was a wife beater.
Found you during the johnny depp trial and I loved the way you described and explained everything! From louisvill, ky!
Congratulations on your success with this channel and your awesome legal coverage 💪🏼🤩🔥 (Drinking coffee in 🇮🇹 Italy the morning after. Still beaming from yesterday’s verdict for Johnny!!)
Amber's Op-ed
Count 1: Headline: "Today I published" was key for me.
Count 2: A public figure representing: Amber who? representing what? I don't recall her role in DV advocacy being talked about at all in the trial.
Count 3: protected a powerful man: as close to saying Depp is an abuser as she can come without out saying it. It is also clear disregard for the truth because he clearly wasn't protected.
Waldmen Statements:
Count 1: Sword and Shield: True, that's what happens in a legal battle.
Count 2: called the cops, faked the story: His statement was Definitely not what the testimony showed. Testimony claimed the group cleaned up instead of roughed up, and dismissed the police.
Count 3: Abuse Hoax: Truth with evidence that Heard (or someone on her team)is the only one capable of calling TMZ and Leaking the video. Also Heard calling other witnesses liars to try to save her narrative didn't help. Plus there was clear evidence that Heard had abused Depp multiple times.
Also if anyone reads/read their divorce agreement she broke that contract as soon as she put the op-Ed out there. It was signed by both parties and agreed that they wouldn’t put anything out to the public and all matters would stay private. So “I published” is the nail that sealed her coffin.
There were some other interesting things they both agreed on in the divorce contract.
Perhaps as well the idea that the lawyer believed it was a hoax...
I think him getting the role as Grindlewald was the “protection” by JK Rowling.
@@Nikibaby74 great point! This means JD can sue AH for breach of contract now! So he could get the $7M back and donate it all directly to the children’s hospital. Sorry ACLU!
Spot 9n
I really agree about the whole thing about imperfect victims; however, in this case, Johnny Depp is the imperfect victim, not AH. I'm glad the Jury saw that.
Did it ever come out what Amber was talking about when she said that Johnny drank so much tea? That was so odd and it never came up later that I remember.
This too was borrowed from a movie or tv show- I cannot remember which one but someone posted the clip the day after her testimony.
Already missing the law nerds! So wierd not being on here constantly like the last 7 weeks. Love this community!!!!
They kept saying about how much Johnny Depp drank and took drugs but Genny said that Amber could polish off two bottles of wine in the night they never once mentioned that she was high or drunk
Meant Johnny not Genny
In addition to Johnny regularly speaking poetically, as someone who endured an ab*sive relationship I must admit that anything he texted about Amber didn’t phase me in the least. I called my ex the worst things I could conjure up which I’d never done before and haven’t done since to anyone else. Loving someone who turns out to be capable of such heinous shit really fucks with your head and my words were all I had. I don’t regret anything I said to or about an excuse for a human and I don’t fault anyone in that position who does the same.
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@@rethinkcps2116 ..the mentality of an exasperated teacher is just nowhere near comparable to a tormented ab*se victim….. he wasn’t actually planning on offing her, I think anyone can reach that conclusion. But I will just reiterate that there are no limits to what someone may find themselves saying if plunged into a situation like that and the fact that he channeled his pain and rage into words as opposed to physical actions towards her is admirable in itself.
For my perspective, I’ll add that my ab*ser was a diagnosed narcissist and I struggled to watch Amber’s testimony at first because I hadn’t witnessed someone so similar to him in some time..someone who will argue that the sun isn’t bright in their alternate reality and in turn makes you argue against reality..it can really mess you up where you start to lose a grasp on it as well. Just another reason I can empathize.
Yes, they're re enge fantasies, antine can have them under certain circumstances.
Have you read anything about the crime in Australia called "glassing"? Injury due to the use of a glass bottle. Explains why all lied at the hospital, and why they got AH out of country so fast. They were protecting AH
Mmhmm that's true and would explain it well
Yay! I just caught Inside Edition. You are the Sensation . . . Purple haired lawyer! You do the best!!!
I’m having major withdrawals…I miss Emily Baker’s live stream. So grateful for everything I learned here, I was able to separate all the false comments being made in the main stream media.
OMG just saw they were quoting you in a Danish newspaper 👍🏻👍🏻 so they got the facts straight 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Before closing arguments, I also believed he wouldn’t win on anything other than the title. Because there was enough evidence to argue that there was mutual verbal and emotional abuse. But after closing arguments, I changed my mind. Because in a mutual abuse situation there isn’t a victim and a perpetrator - there are just mutual participants. I think true mutual abuse is extremely rare and in the vast majority of cases there is a perpetrator and there is a victim (even when there is reactive violence on the part of the victim). I personally don’t believe this particular relationship was a mutually abusive one. But there’s certainly a possibility it was. But AH’s claims to be a representative of abuse victims, implicate JD as a perpetrators can’t be true in a mutual abuse situation. There was so much evidence that she was a perpetrator of abuse and violence (not reactive), and I think the jury decided that her choice to paint herself as a victim defamed JD even if there was mutual abuse. Essentially that you don’t get to claim victimhood and vilify your partner if you were an equal participant (or worse, the sole perpetrator) in a toxic and abusive relationship.
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Question: What are your thoughts on the immediate statement AH made after the verdict where she defamed JD again? Specifically stating everything was about JD? She doubled down on everything. Then with Umbridge coming out today straight up calling out the jury saying they went against the courts ruling by researching this on social media.
How would SHE know what soc med was saying unless SHE researched everything?
Elaine was just the WORST attorney.
She dug her own grave with her abysmal acting of a fantastical story. The jury obviously felt it without the extra clips we all saw
With so many comments, I doubt you'll see this. Even so, I thought I'd pop in and say that I just heard the BBC World News report on NPR and they mentioned Law & Crime and Emily D. Baker. When they brought up the insane number of trial viewers online, I knew they'd mention you... and still got excited when I heard them say your name! So proud of you for just being fully YOU and doing what you do in all your awesomeness!
Emily D Baker - Thank you!!
You have reset the standard expected of news and social media reporting. The people have overwhelming supported your ethics in respectfully and informatively reporting “facts and not f$&kery!!”.
I am happy for Johnny in this win. While Amber lied and lied through her teeth, we do need to remember her diagnosis from Dr. Curry. We are seeing first hand what kind of effects mental health can have on someone. It does not excuse the behavior she has presented.
I agree with you but I also think that if you have a mental disorder and it causes you to do the things that Amber Heard was doing it is your responsibility to get help. She has said she has PTSD because it helps with her case but she has been told she has these personality disorders. Will she seek help for that or will she deny the diagnosis? We only have time to see that. She sounds like she doesn't want to admit that that's the thing she has. She wants to truly believe she does have PTSD. I don't know if she will get help but I would really very much like to see her do so. Will her ego get in the way?
Agree! Well said
As one who has BiPolar Disorder, I have worked in support groups with family and friends who are trying to understand and deal with a lived one suffering from a mental health disorder(s). Two points I emphasize about mental health disorders and ask those I meet in support grouos are: (1) a mental health disorder is a malfunction or “sickness” of the brain that causes dysfunction of a sufferers brain, such that it dies not work in the same way that the brain would otherwise work if the disorder didn’t exist in their loved one. This brain dysfunction that a mental disorder causes is every bit as real as disfunction of the heart, liver, kidneys, or any other organ from a sickness or disease. Just like symptoms from heart disease, for example, are not voluntary or controllable via will power, symptoms from a mental disorder are not voluntary. Many symptoms if a mental disorder are viewed as a kind if bad behavior or a character flaw that the sufferer us voluntarily perpetrating. Because symptoms of a mental disorder manifest primarily through the sufferer’s behavior, the symptoms are viewed as bad behavior that isn’t being controlled. The reality is that those symptoms as a result of a mental disorder are just as involuntary as shortness of breath from heart diseaae is and most time tge sufferer isn’t aware that their symptoms/behavior is not out of the norm. Someone with BiPolar Disorder in the midst if an episode of mania or a manic attach are not cognizabt that they are manic and many times just feel like they are “energetic”. So, a key to understanding mental health disorder itself is understanding that symptoms are not bad behavior or character flaws, but rather involuntary symptoms of the mental disorder.
(2). A mental disorder effectively results in a type of irrationality in tge suffers behavior that is every bit a symptom of the disordered brain function, just like symptoms from liver disease are the result of that disease. Yet, those dealing with a sufferer whi is exhibiting a type of irrationality as a symptom if a nental dusirder are exorcted to act rationally abd are viewed negatively or even with hostility when they exhibit irrational behavior. Expecting someone with a mental disorder to act rationally and control symptoms of irrationality is, in itself, not rational. I ask those I work with in support groups to think of someone who is exhibiting behavioral synonyms from a mental disorder like someone who is very drunk m, except mental disorder symptoms are not self-inflicted like getting drunk is (not saying a mental disorder is like being a drunk, just using an example to help describe something that isn’t easily understood by someone who doesn’ experience mental disirder effects). Just like you wouldn’t/couldn’t expect sineibe who is very drunk to think and act rationally and treat then as fully tationak beings while drunk, the same hilds true for irrational behavior as a symptom of a mental disorder. Many times sineibe will acknowledge or claim that another person is a narcissist, but then be surprised or disdainful of that person exhibiting narcissistic symptoms or behavior. The doctors I work with in support groups cringe when I say the following, but it drives the point home to those who are trying to understand mental disorder symptons and effects…. Someone with a mental disorder is a type of irrational being as a result of the disorder they suffer with and irrational beings think irrationally and act irrationally. Yet, most expect these irrational beings to be fully rational. Expecting sineibe with a mental disorder to think and act like they would if they did ‘t have the disorder is like working with a broken pocket calculator and punching in the same numbers you want to add over and over and expecting the calculator to ultimately display the correct answer.
Akl if this is not ab excuse fir behavioral synonyms from mental disorders, but rather, an explanation of why suffers of mental disorders exhibit behavior that appears to be bad behavior ir character flaws or lack if self-control. While there is a better understanding among more people that mental disorders exist and are real, the understanding of how the effects of mental disorder manifest is not as understood nor accepted.
I don't comment often on anyone's vids...but when I do it because I genuinely feel they are good people..And you ma'am are good people. And BTW you killed it on that newscast. 👏
Question: Can JD a issue an injunction against AH to stop her from continuing to rage against him (IG, UA-cam, Media)? Or will she just not stop?
If I recall correctly, Emily did say somewhere that something like that can happen where she can’t speak about it anymore. Might not have been Emily but I feel like I remember that.
Yes, they will likely petition the court to prevent her from talking about him publically in the future. If you'll notice, the very long statement she posted to her Twitter, his name is not in it once. Her attys have told her she has to tread carefully about what she says publically whole she has the option to appeal.
@@B_Bodziak yeah but the statement she posted on Instagram mentions him by name and as "ex husband" multiple times 😴
She will NOT stop. Never expect that. It's all about control. The money is nothing to her.
@@xino_z must mean something to her or she would’ve donated it all like she was supposed to lol.
GREAT JOB on your Fox 11 appearance!!! You were by far the most informative, articulate, and enjoyable to listen to of their entire panel. You rock!
Really appreciate the perspective and the break down. I think this is part of what makes this stuff so interesting because we dont see proceedings every day and dont fully understand how and what everything means.
Question: Given that Amber plans to appeal this verdict, do you think this is an appeal that will get denied or do you think this could get dragged back into court? For someone who claimed that she just wanted this to be over, and to move on with her life, I think it's telling that she wants to appeal. Probably cause she didn't get the result she wanted.
Want to thank you for all the time, and effort you put into streaming this trial and helping us make sense of a trial that has been truly one of a kind.
Based on her statement, she really has no idea, or refuses to not have any idea. Either way, SHE appears to be surrounded by “yes men”, cuz if that was my sister, I’d tell her to not make a statement like that. She will also continue to infuriate REAL DV survivors.
Yes 🙌🏻 she projected what she is!
She is surrounded by "yes man"
No one will go against her bc they getting paid so who will turn down a check ;)
Her sister always seems fucking terrified of her. Her sister acts more believably like an abuse victim than she does.
I find it bizarre how Amber keeps harping on and referring to her prized “Mountain of evidence.” I feel like an actual victim would simply say that they shared the truth. They had the truth on their side and the jury didn’t see it. But she only refers to her precious “mountain of evidence” AKA altered photos, trimmed video clips, out of context photos of Johnny sleeping and audio of vomiting, etc that she was sure to collect over the years and use one day, and they still didn’t side with her
And that with all his texts and devices and her taped audio -and none of her texts or emails since she refused to submit her devices
Been here since the Without a Crystal Ball days - so cool to see this channel explode
I think this case ripped open the wounds and bandages of everyone who has ever suffered abuse at home. Johnny caused us to look at our own hurt lives, as we shared in his.
Sure did in my case & with my friends who’ve been victimized.
@@kathypiazza4567 I'm sorry to learn this, but I sincerely believe that greater than 50%of the population has been abused by those they loved and trusted.....