We all need to do our part in keeping up the manual transmission market. Buy manual over automatic as much as you can. SAVE THE MANUAL TRANSMISSION FROM EXTINCTION!
Third gen tacoma owner here. I have the TRD OR 4x4 with the 6mt. After 100,000 miles it is still brilliant. My brother in law has the auto and it is a sloth.
For anyone in Utah, avoid Brent Brown Toyota at all costs. You’ll def be subjected to paying a mark up, hidden fees, and very poor customer service. I would recommend Mark Miller Toyota; they give you the out-the-door price right from the start (with no mark ups or fees).
I'm not in Utah but very close Wyoming. Thats good to know. This is the truck I want.. minus 5k in options...maybe thats where they stick it to you on off the window sticker. Ill give mark Miller a call later I guess. See who offers me the best for my super low mileage trade in. 2015 ram with 29k miles should fetch a good trade IMHO. Lime green and manual trans just speaks to my soul. They're so rare that I fear ill have to order from the factory
Love the pro but I will have to disagree about the rev matching. I have a 2021 TRD sport manual and it rev matches beautifully and sounds great doing it. Likely just takes a bit more than one drive to get the feel of when and how to do it.
I got my 2021 TRD Off-Road Army Green 6-Speed Manual brand new. Have 26,000 miles now. Great truck. HOWEVER - I will say this: first gear is just a smidge faster than granny gear. DAILY I get folks upset when they’re behind me because when I take off in 1st, around 15MPH I have to shift. Isn’t till 2nd when it gets going. But DAILY I watch folks behind me get upset because my truck isn’t “going fast enough for them” I guess. Also - know that 6th gear is for 75MPH Zoe faster. If you let off the accelerator at 75MPH or slower, when you go to resume speed and press back on the accelerator, you’re going to feel a “clunk”/jerking sensation…. It’s apparently “normal”.
@@InterdimensionalApe idk. Still runs fine. Who knows. I’ll run it till whenever… but I’ll never buy a manual again. 5th manual transmission. Done with them. Going automatic after this.
@@atitudlanggam3125 ironically, a few weeks ago, I got to talking to one of the guys I do Jiu Jitsu with. I'd seen his Taco before. We were cooling down the other day. Told him about my "clunk". Turns out he's in charge of QC at the Toyota Plant. He hopped in my truck. We go on the highway. He felt what I was talking about. Said essentially its normal. It's that drivetrain slack and NOT doing any damage at all. What I've changed in my driving habits is anything below 75MPH and I go down to 5th. No more "clunk". Now if I stay in 6th and am going below 75, you'll feel the "clunk", but again, it's momentary. Truck handles fine. No damage. I think this speaks to the importance of doing Jiu Jitsu 🙂.
Really like the look of this truck, inside and out, and I'd love to have a truck with a manual transmission like that, but they put reverse in the wrong position without a solid gate, which is kind of a fail really. Reverse should be over past 6th gear, or there should be a solid gate that has to be lifted if it's going to be on the left by 1st gear. Otherwise, getting a feel for the thing is just a pain in the a$$, making it more annoying than fun. You were also shifting pretty early, so I have to wonder if the performance might have been better if you got the revs a little higher before shifting. Like you said, it's a truck, not a sports car, but still, a 3.5 should give decent acceleration.
The reverse shift is very natural and isn't a hassle, as you might think. Theres no 'mush' going into first, theres also no hesitation or mistaking which gear you're about to put it in. Honestly more convenient than having a gate you need to lift, and easier to switch back and forth between 1st and reverse for turning around in tight spaces
@@japonplays1410 I agree. I have a '23 TRD OR MT. Going into R requires a bit more force than you would use to go into 1st to get passed the gate. Even when you are trying to quickly shift into 1st, never an issue with accidentally putting it into R
Ben you are usually pretty spot on but you assumption about the manual is probably because you have not compared it to the auto for it's intended purpose in off-roading. Rev match a 4wd? Auto crawl better? Comparing speed? It's about how much power and when to use it that a manual is superior. Crawl is slower and more controlled also. I never use the off road modes to off-road and neither does anyone I know. They simply switch to 4wd lo and lock the rear when things get serious.
man people talk about these big throws as if theyre something bad.. id say for a truck the big throw in the shifter makes it look trucky and feels more manly...
I'm so disappointed that I'm late to this video.. I think I'm going to have to order an electric lime manual... ugh so sad I was looking today for one! Hopefully I can find one Edit: I'm close to slc and this is exactly what I want! Maybe I'll mention i saw they had one from you, hopefully that'll help both of us
Bet, I'll bet he never drove that black Cummins shown on the left on the return test drive, definitely never drove a 5.9 stick, the Tacoma in a 6 speed manual is the sweetest truck since the 2nd gen Cummins, similar torque stock vs stock, what more do you want?
Why does this TRD Pro look like it’s missing a lot of standard TRD Pro options. Like JBL premium stereo, keyless entry with push button start??? I was assuming the TRD Pro was “fully loaded” from factory.
I owned a 2020 Tacoma TRD Offroad and I hated it. The most annoying vehicle I've ever owned to drive, terrible seating position, constant gear hunting, anemic performance, etc and the payload capacity is worst in class. I fell for the hype surrounding this truck and I've never been more disappointed in a vehicle. Toyota needs to get serious and update this truck into something that's comfortable, powerful and capable enough to actually be worth the absurd asking price. Reliability isn't everything, a truck needs to do a lot of things well and Tacoma fails overall. I'm interested to see what Toyota does with the redesign, but they have a lot of work to do to make me consider buying the next gen model.
That is why i have always hesitated to get a Tacoma. Too many things Toyota is falling short on with this truck. The only real positive is that this may be the only damn truck you can get in a manual anymore.
You would feel differently about reliability if your rig spent 4 months combined in the shop for warranty work during a 2 year period. With no dealer loaner and not owning a second vehicle. That's what I had to go through with my brand new 2019 diesel Chevy ZR2. Tradeded that turd in and bought a 2021 Tacoma TRD Pro with a manual and couldn't be happier.
@@Do-UR-Research2749 Nope. I'm sick of the Tacoma cult always talking about reliability while ignoring the laundry list of major issues with this truck. I see the Tacoma for what it actually is, not what the fanboys hype it up to be.
@@dlg5485 call me a fan boy if you like. I've owned Dodge, Chevy, Honda, Toyota and Ford. I loved my Diesel F series trucks, the Hondas were good to me, my Toyotas never left me stranded. But the Chevys and the only Dodge I've owned were both POS which left me stranded. The ZR2 left me stranded 550 miles from home for two weeks waiting on parts. I bought all these vehicles brand new, not second or third hand. I dont think I'm a Tacoms fan boy, but I do appreciate reliability.
Well...I own a TRD sport with the manual. I've never rev matched it. Never even thought of that. My last car was a 2015 Mustang GT. Sure, rev match that. It was also a 6 speed. The throttle in the manual is horrid. Get a pedal commander, its like a new vehicle. Or get a tune. It'll fix the sluggish issue between the manual and the automatic. The manual actually has better final drive, 4.30 vs the 3.91 of the automatic. In 4 low, the manual has a better crawl ratio 44:1 compared ot 36:1 of the automatic. Oh also, the manuals are harder to find making them more desirable. Just FYI. Buy whatever you like.
Anyone from around nj by Lawrence avoid team Toyota or Lawrence/Princeton when i went there to get my tacoma i was trading in my 2020 dodge charger scat pack with 23k on it. They gave me a ridiculous low ball offer of 36k flat and told me he can argue with me and maybe only give me 1k more then that, i evan did the estimated trade in calc on there own website and it came back to a range of 40,5k-44,5k needless to say the guy gave me a hard time and i left, down in longhorn pa theres another team toyota its about 20mins away and the same owner of the Princeton one owns the one out in longhorn, this the i took a screen shot of the online Toyota trade in estimator and showed the guy and after he saw that and brought the finance guy out they game me a off of 41,7k that we talked back up to 43k, no hidden fees msrp price 10 times better then the princeton location worth the drive when they will give u so much more for your trade in.
I like the color. 48K is a lot to pay for an older style truck. I think the Ranger is a better buy. I do not enjoy manual transmissions anymore. I have driven manuals for over 50 years and it’s time to enjoy a less complex time at the wheel. Especially in Chicago traffic.😊
We all need to do our part in keeping up the manual transmission market. Buy manual over automatic as much as you can. SAVE THE MANUAL TRANSMISSION FROM EXTINCTION!
Third gen tacoma owner here. I have the TRD OR 4x4 with the 6mt. After 100,000 miles it is still brilliant.
My brother in law has the auto and it is a sloth.
For anyone in Utah, avoid Brent Brown Toyota at all costs. You’ll def be subjected to paying a mark up, hidden fees, and very poor customer service. I would recommend Mark Miller Toyota; they give you the out-the-door price right from the start (with no mark ups or fees).
I'm not in Utah but very close Wyoming. Thats good to know. This is the truck I want.. minus 5k in options...maybe thats where they stick it to you on off the window sticker. Ill give mark Miller a call later I guess. See who offers me the best for my super low mileage trade in. 2015 ram with 29k miles should fetch a good trade IMHO. Lime green and manual trans just speaks to my soul. They're so rare that I fear ill have to order from the factory
Hate those idiots and there mark up. 👎
That's good to know. I live in Salt Lake and maybe in the market for a Tacoma or 4runner next year.
Still take a manual over an automatic in a Tacoma any day just saying it’s a millennial antitheft device ha ha
Manual can't get old. Will select Manual any day any time once available
17 mpg makes my 34 mpg look like a beast!!!
I wish the SR and SR5 came in manuals. They’re about $8,000 - $10,000 cheaper than a TRD
Agree
It’ll feel much better on shifting after removing the clutch accumulator. That thing is like training wheel and makes shifting sloppy.
Love the pro but I will have to disagree about the rev matching. I have a 2021 TRD sport manual and it rev matches beautifully and sounds great doing it. Likely just takes a bit more than one drive to get the feel of when and how to do it.
Going into second is kinda awkward sometimes. It feels shorter somehow.
I got my 2021 TRD Off-Road Army Green 6-Speed Manual brand new. Have 26,000 miles now. Great truck.
HOWEVER - I will say this: first gear is just a smidge faster than granny gear. DAILY I get folks upset when they’re behind me because when I take off in 1st, around 15MPH I have to shift.
Isn’t till 2nd when it gets going. But DAILY I watch folks behind me get upset because my truck isn’t “going fast enough for them” I guess.
Also - know that 6th gear is for 75MPH Zoe faster. If you let off the accelerator at 75MPH or slower, when you go to resume speed and press back on the accelerator, you’re going to feel a “clunk”/jerking sensation…. It’s apparently “normal”.
A clunk and a jerk probably means transmission gear damage don't you think?
@@InterdimensionalApe idk. Still runs fine. Who knows. I’ll run it till whenever… but I’ll never buy a manual again. 5th manual transmission. Done with them. Going automatic after this.
I thought it’s just my driving. People behind me gets upset when traffic starts to move.
@@InterdimensionalApe clunk is fine. Grinding is not
@@atitudlanggam3125 ironically, a few weeks ago, I got to talking to one of the guys I do Jiu Jitsu with. I'd seen his Taco before. We were cooling down the other day. Told him about my "clunk". Turns out he's in charge of QC at the Toyota Plant. He hopped in my truck. We go on the highway. He felt what I was talking about. Said essentially its normal. It's that drivetrain slack and NOT doing any damage at all. What I've changed in my driving habits is anything below 75MPH and I go down to 5th. No more "clunk". Now if I stay in 6th and am going below 75, you'll feel the "clunk", but again, it's momentary. Truck handles fine. No damage. I think this speaks to the importance of doing Jiu Jitsu 🙂.
Really like the look of this truck, inside and out, and I'd love to have a truck with a manual transmission like that, but they put reverse in the wrong position without a solid gate, which is kind of a fail really. Reverse should be over past 6th gear, or there should be a solid gate that has to be lifted if it's going to be on the left by 1st gear. Otherwise, getting a feel for the thing is just a pain in the a$$, making it more annoying than fun. You were also shifting pretty early, so I have to wonder if the performance might have been better if you got the revs a little higher before shifting. Like you said, it's a truck, not a sports car, but still, a 3.5 should give decent acceleration.
The reverse shift is very natural and isn't a hassle, as you might think. Theres no 'mush' going into first, theres also no hesitation or mistaking which gear you're about to put it in. Honestly more convenient than having a gate you need to lift, and easier to switch back and forth between 1st and reverse for turning around in tight spaces
@@japonplays1410 I agree. I have a '23 TRD OR MT. Going into R requires a bit more force than you would use to go into 1st to get passed the gate. Even when you are trying to quickly shift into 1st, never an issue with accidentally putting it into R
Electric lime green same color as Pivot's switchblade mountain bike!
That color is wicked. Just bought a 2022 TRD off road today and yes bought the auto. I have driven manual for 45 years, time for a change
Ben you are usually pretty spot on but you assumption about the manual is probably because you have not compared it to the auto for it's intended purpose in off-roading. Rev match a 4wd? Auto crawl better? Comparing speed? It's about how much power and when to use it that a manual is superior. Crawl is slower and more controlled also. I never use the off road modes to off-road and neither does anyone I know. They simply switch to 4wd lo and lock the rear when things get serious.
'21 army green tacoma 4wd 6 spd manual here.
Agree with you..to many choices people don't use.
man people talk about these big throws as if theyre something bad.. id say for a truck the big throw in the shifter makes it look trucky and feels more manly...
Electric lime!!! RAM needs a color like that…😝👍🤔
I've had several vehicles, none of them being manual, I've always wanted to learn tho, but maybe on a full size truck. Tacos are too small for me lol
Learn on a diesel. The low end torque makes it easier.
Most definitely! Have deposits with multiple dealers on a manual Taco but will be well worth it...
I'm so disappointed that I'm late to this video.. I think I'm going to have to order an electric lime manual... ugh so sad I was looking today for one! Hopefully I can find one
Edit: I'm close to slc and this is exactly what I want! Maybe I'll mention i saw they had one from you, hopefully that'll help both of us
That’s a unicorn! I need that truck.
The tailgate is heavy? You have to muscle it up? Ben sounds like you’ve been missing your workouts???🤔
😆😆😆
Love the green 🔥🔥
You need to review a base model 4 cylinder with a manual transmission. That would be a great choice for an economical truck
toyota discontinued those during the 2017 model year
Do these things get axel lockers and sway bar disconnects yet?
I have this truck with an Auto. I don’t like a standard in a truck.
I get compliments on the color daily. Love it
Bet, I'll bet he never drove that black Cummins shown on the left on the return test drive, definitely never drove a 5.9 stick, the Tacoma in a 6 speed manual is the sweetest truck since the 2nd gen Cummins, similar torque stock vs stock, what more do you want?
Driving a truck that low on gas should be a crime.
Why does this TRD Pro look like it’s missing a lot of standard TRD Pro options. Like JBL premium stereo, keyless entry with push button start??? I was assuming the TRD Pro was “fully loaded” from factory.
It does not
It's cause of the manual. Manual Tacomas do not come with keyless/push button start nor the JBL. It's not even an option.
I owned a 2020 Tacoma TRD Offroad and I hated it. The most annoying vehicle I've ever owned to drive, terrible seating position, constant gear hunting, anemic performance, etc and the payload capacity is worst in class. I fell for the hype surrounding this truck and I've never been more disappointed in a vehicle. Toyota needs to get serious and update this truck into something that's comfortable, powerful and capable enough to actually be worth the absurd asking price. Reliability isn't everything, a truck needs to do a lot of things well and Tacoma fails overall. I'm interested to see what Toyota does with the redesign, but they have a lot of work to do to make me consider buying the next gen model.
That is why i have always hesitated to get a Tacoma. Too many things Toyota is falling short on with this truck. The only real positive is that this may be the only damn truck you can get in a manual anymore.
You would feel differently about reliability if your rig spent 4 months combined in the shop for warranty work during a 2 year period. With no dealer loaner and not owning a second vehicle.
That's what I had to go through with my brand new 2019 diesel Chevy ZR2. Tradeded that turd in and bought a 2021 Tacoma TRD Pro with a manual and couldn't be happier.
@@Do-UR-Research2749 Nope. I'm sick of the Tacoma cult always talking about reliability while ignoring the laundry list of major issues with this truck. I see the Tacoma for what it actually is, not what the fanboys hype it up to be.
@@dlg5485 call me a fan boy if you like. I've owned Dodge, Chevy, Honda, Toyota and Ford.
I loved my Diesel F series trucks, the Hondas were good to me, my Toyotas never left me stranded. But the Chevys and the only Dodge I've owned were both POS which left me stranded.
The ZR2 left me stranded 550 miles from home for two weeks waiting on parts.
I bought all these vehicles brand new, not second or third hand.
I dont think I'm a Tacoms fan boy, but I do appreciate reliability.
Man idk how any good ol red blooded American can think that truck looks good lol
The Infamous Dino Taco
Well...I own a TRD sport with the manual. I've never rev matched it. Never even thought of that. My last car was a 2015 Mustang GT. Sure, rev match that. It was also a 6 speed. The throttle in the manual is horrid. Get a pedal commander, its like a new vehicle. Or get a tune. It'll fix the sluggish issue between the manual and the automatic. The manual actually has better final drive, 4.30 vs the 3.91 of the automatic. In 4 low, the manual has a better crawl ratio 44:1 compared ot 36:1 of the automatic. Oh also, the manuals are harder to find making them more desirable. Just FYI. Buy whatever you like.
Does pedal commander or some other time kit makes 1st gear acceleration faster?
They should of did the 4 runner in this shade and not a Kia Soul shade of green lol
Anyone from around nj by Lawrence avoid team Toyota or Lawrence/Princeton when i went there to get my tacoma i was trading in my 2020 dodge charger scat pack with 23k on it. They gave me a ridiculous low ball offer of 36k flat and told me he can argue with me and maybe only give me 1k more then that, i evan did the estimated trade in calc on there own website and it came back to a range of 40,5k-44,5k needless to say the guy gave me a hard time and i left, down in longhorn pa theres another team toyota its about 20mins away and the same owner of the Princeton one owns the one out in longhorn, this the i took a screen shot of the online Toyota trade in estimator and showed the guy and after he saw that and brought the finance guy out they game me a off of 41,7k that we talked back up to 43k, no hidden fees msrp price 10 times better then the princeton location worth the drive when they will give u so much more for your trade in.
I only came here to say my manual Mojave is cooler. Carry on.
😆
Lol
Ha ha ha! 👋
Yes it is. Otherwise you might as well just get the 4Runner TRD Pro. Ordering one is worth it.
But you lose the annoying gear hunting in the auto
Damn that color is ugly
Driving that with an empty tank is bad
You Would Recommend The Automatic Transmission,Because The Manual Transmission Slow.
I like the color. 48K is a lot to pay for an older style truck. I think the Ranger is a better buy. I do not enjoy manual transmissions anymore. I have driven manuals for over 50 years and it’s time to enjoy a less complex time at the wheel. Especially in Chicago traffic.😊
No point in getting a manual for a truck…use it for what it is off-road
💪⬛👍
Driving a manual was fun in high school, but after 7 years of driving in bumper-bumper traffic, I’ll never drive a manual again lol.
I second this