Yeah I don’t mind the diameter, but it’s becoming increasingly less common so as the years progress I feel it’ll force owners to look at 17s at least to find a good tire.
You guys sound like little girls,!!! Arguing over lip gloss shade! Man up! Nothing comes perfect Color and accents, pointless. Yall sold out a long time ago! Shush up and buy some tires .
People complain about TRD pro being over priced and no need for a pro and that the TRD Sport and Off Road are enough. Those people 😅 I have both a 2023 tacoma TRD pro in Solar Octane that I just purchased after paying off my 2022 TRD pro 4Runner lime rush. I put the Westcott designs lift on my oem fox shocks on my 4Runner. Idc what anybody has to say about the Pro models I’m not looking to build out my rigs.
Really enjoyed this style of video with Nathan and Tommy's interior conversations synched with Roman's exterior filming. Made the whole video feel much smoother and more cohesive. Good work guys 👍
Everyone here is complaining while the Tacoma (especially the TRD PRO) still sells very well everywhere 🤣. And in years to come it'll still be sought out by so many people.
My big thing about the tire is that, I’m spending 50k and then immediately having to spend another $1500 to replace tires. If I’m buying an off-roader then give it off road tires
But they know people will buy the truck and immediately replace the tires regardless. So more profit. Too bad striking or boycotting isn’t practical for such things. If the companies made relationships with more tire companies, maybe we would be able to choose tires when ordering, but idk if Toyota is letting people build and order now.
@@scotturich true, there might be a few exceptions (though I think Pro4X has a similar type AT to the Taco), but I don’t think it’s a deal breaker in the slightest for most who are shopping for a new vehicle. People interested in hardcore off-roading will ultimately be upgrading almost regardless of what they initially purchase. Almost rare to see a stock Rubicon (which is used as a Rubicon should be) on stock tires, most go for 35+” etc.
@@scotturich Agree as a ZR2 owner, but I still replaced the Duratracs before I even hit 2K miles. The OEM tires are too undersized for the scale of vehicle. Did a 1.25” level & 33s.
I have a 2019 TRD Off Road…wonderful off road and good on road too. It’s not wonderfully comfortable like a full size truck but it fits great on small trails. I use mine as a daily driver - bought my truck new in Jan of 2019…I now have 176k trouble free miles (many in 4WD)!
The pro makes a lot of sense if you want the options. If you spec out an off road with all the bells and whistles and technology features, it's just under the price of the pro. For the fox suspension, and the headlights, and the grille, I think it's worth the difference if you wanted all the bells and whistles
Ok kids, I said gallons per mile... Noting that this in entirely being funny. But real mpg I get around town is near 11. That isn't being funny that's being exact.
@@JMunn55 mpg 19 wow my f150 fx4 v8 gets 26mpg on the hwy shes stupid fast and can tow a tacoma on top of a trailer tacoma can't tow that much and 50k usd absolutely useless
Truth. We bought a 22 pro for my wife and she will not take it off-road. We do take several trips to the snow and fire roads each year but no real off-roading. We got a really good deal on the pro but we were initially looking for a off-road
I used to own a 2018 Toyota Tacoma TRD Off Road fully equipped and really like it but the only problem was that it was too small, specially inside. My kids that are teenagers wouldn’t fit comfortable in the back seats cause of the position that I needed to have to drive comfortable myself and for my wife to be comfortable while riding as a family. So I ended up exchanging it for a 2021 Toyota Tundra TRD PRO and we think we made the right choice cause it’s just perfect, inside and outside!!!.
Hello, I own a 2021 TRD Pro in Lunar Rock. I was debating wether to get a tune on the truck like the OV tune etc. Instead I purchased the sprint booster and hooked it up. The truck now drives like what I consider to be normal. I have it in the sport mode at level 7. I used to own a 2003 Tundra with the 4.7 litre motor. The Tacoma with the sprint booster drives just like the Tundra used to. To me it feels like it has plenty of power. The shift points are on par. No more gear hunting. I really like the sprint booster. It works great. Maybe you guys should do a video on the Tacoma with the Sprint Booster and express your opinion.
First off you guys are incredible, informative, funny just an incredible job doing this show! Second, I am soooooo glad you guys are finally mic’d up, now the camera can move around without losing audio!! You guys knock each video out of the park… sorry for the rant just super impressed and important I thought you should know!! Keep up the incredible work!👍
I’ve had my 2022 lunar rock manual transmission Tacoma for a week now and I love it. The manual does 80mph easy on the 5th and 6th gear, less than 2500rpms. I live in utah so 80mph is the limit, but I try to stay at 70 on the slow lane to conserve some gas money. So far I’ve done 18.8 in the city and 21 on the highway. Not great but considering I work from home, I’m really only driving on the weekends.
I do like your point on the hood scoop. That's one more point in favor of the TRD Off Road b/c it doesn't have the fake scoop like the Sport or the Pro models. About the only think the Off Road lacks are the FOX Shocks, you can find all the other bells and whistles.
Pretty sure that I found in my research that the TRD Off Road doesn't have a moonroof or heated seats. Maybe I was just looking in the wrong places. *EDIT* My bad. I was talking about 4Runners so maybe the Tacomas are different regarding those options that I brought up. Peace.
Thanks for not forgetting to mention the value and longevity of Toyota. This is not brought up in so many comparisons. Because of that value and quality, I sold my 2021 Tacoma Trd Tro for $2k more than the purchase price after 7k miles were driven on it. Now I'm waiting for the 2022 Taco TRD Pro in Electric Lime Green with the 6 speed manual.........it's been 6 months........sure hope it gets built soon!
One of the best comments you can make for an original equipment tire, it is “adequate” for everything. That is actually a pretty good compliment. Everything with an OE tire is a trade off, wet, snow, dry, off road, wear, gravel penetration, noise, rolling resistance (fuel economy). OE tires need to do it all, adequately. Aftermarket tires have the benefit of being able to “give up” on something to force on traction or wear, etc. love the 16” wheels on this, big rims have little to no performance benefit on a truck. If the rims fit over the brakes, that’s all you need. Make up the rest of the diameter with the tire sidewall.
If Toyota went back to their old manual hubs, they could gain between 2 to 3 mpg. I once had a 92 4Runner, which had that shift on the fly using a vacuum actuator in the axle to engage the left and right front axle to each other. It was tricky to get into 4 Hi, since the actuator had to first be engaged, before you could mess up w/the transfer case. You had to almost come to a complete stop before the transfer case would engage. Since Toyota's still had the old hubs on them, you could put on Manual Hubs, which helped w/the fuel mileage, since the axle wasn't turning w/them disengaged. You could also permanently lock in the Vacuum Actuator, so that the front axle was just like a regular solid one, such that w/the Hubs locked in, the axle is now turning, and so shifting in and out of 4 Hi could be done at highway speeds and was smooth in doing so w/no issues. I also gained a good 2-3 mpg w/the manual hubs locked out, since the axle wasn't turning anymore when disengaged. Oh, I now own a 2020 Tacoma TRD 4x4 Sport, w/a rare Manual Transmission, as well as the rare Extended Cab. I didn't want an automatic, nor the Crew Cab. I've gotten as much as 24 mpg doing 70 on the highway w/it.
Not going to lie, from my personal experience the manual transmission is more fuel efficient then the auto. Also feels more peppy based on how the gearing is. (for reference Nitro Gears also backs this claim)
It's not the engine it's the transmission. 5th and 6th gear are overdrive gears for mpg. If you get it tuned correctly it becomes a whole new driving experience. Amazing truck.
It should also have disc brakes in back, a fully boxed frame, a decent interior, an 8-10sp trans, etc etc. Which the other mid size trucks all have. This truck is just showing its age.
@@Stuka87 no disc's in the back was almost a deal breaker for me. If it wasn't for the manual transmission option I would have gotten a Ford ranger or Colorado instead
@@RagingBad Ok dude. The Tacoma is a 20 year old platform that offers nothing over the competition. If you like it, thats fine. But every other midsize out does it in every way.
Last month I got a OR 6MT for under 40K, I still can't justify Toyota selling it at that 50k price. I have like 95% of what the TRD Pro has... I really Love Mine, I just keep looking at it.
I traded in my 2016 TRD off road inferno for a 2022 TRD Pro just for the electric lime. Price didn't love the toyota brand have had many issues with the engine or trans except when halling my trailer for camping and racing. It's the only truck I will buy, and with the changes I hear are coming in the Gen 4 I will be holding onto this one as long as possible.
I like the dirt bikes / UTV'S / jeeps In the background it adds a new level of excitement to you're video makes it feel more real natural less scripted 😁
My husband and O have recently relocated from BC, Canada to Utah, USA and are both now into prerunning in the desert!.. He already has a Raptor, but for me, I need a smaller midsized truck, so torn between the Tacoma TRD models or the Colorado ZR2... I have owned 3 Toyotas, and still have the FJ Cruised that my dad bought me when I was 16.... So I know and love Toyota, but just want to explore other brands!... Your videos are always helpful!... Well, now off to watch some Colorado ZR2 reviews. Excellent and helpful video, as always!
Yea, but why be basic like every other Taco on the road. I still love the Cav Blue more than my Electric Lime, but they didn't make that color in 2023 unfortunately.
Love my 19 TRD Pro MT6. Slow as molasses but it’s been my reliable worker/DD for these past years. Plus side, I didn’t pay these current ridiculous inflated prices they charge for these tacos. I thought paying 39-40k was high then. No freakin way it’s worth the current +60k price I’ve seen at my local stealers. But I guess some are paying it. 🤦…anyway, always Great content and discussion videos gentlemen!🤙
Most of these trucks will never see dirt and their owners will wine and complain about how loud the tires are or how fast they wear out. Those that regularly go off road will have an owner with a specific tire preference and application.
Facts about what you guys are saying. I own a 22 Tacoma 3inch lift installed. soon ima buy tires and rims once I used up the oem tire that’s on there. Still love the truck. This is my 2nd Tacoma the 1st one got totaled waited 8 months to see what’s around then I went back and I got my current taco 22 all blacked out
You guys forgot to mention the $20k+ markups that dealers are adding to these right now. Here in Flagstaff, you can still pick up a TRD OR (when they have them) with zero markup.
I have a 2020 TRD Pro tacoma. After owning quite a few cars, trucks and suvs I can honestly say I've never had a vehicle with such an odd combination of so many great and terrible design/engineering qualities all combined into one package
@Cameron J same wife traded her 4.0 lifted Tacoma finally and test drove the new one and without consideration she ended up with a cement grey 22 trd off-road 4runner and it’s already leveled with a RC kit and K&N cold air and black widow exhaust now we just need about 30k for 285s to be installed after the nittos are done
My bro has a tacoma, i hate the back seat, its made for children only, i cannot sit up staight, if i do i have to look down with the back of my head on the ceiling.
Just bought a TRD Pro Off Road for 42k and its awesome. I personally like the tires for better fuel economy. each to his own. The Green color is very nice! Toyota should add more colors erotic like jeep has. Paint sells vehicles
As a current 2021 ZR2 Colorado owner, I think Toyota still builds a great product. I’m looking forward in seeing the next Taco. This current gen just doesn’t work for me. I drove one and disliked pretty much everything from the sitting position to the drive itself. I’m sure Toyota will correct a lot of this in the next gen. So far I love the ZR2, amazing truck, and I really like how simple this truck really is. Great tires, a true 4x4 with lockers front and rear. So far no issues, I will keep it for many of years to come.
Yeah, I drove a Tacoma a few years back, I wanted to love it because I really like the styling. Once I drove it though, I was over it. Didn't really like anything about driving it, from the terrible drivetrain to the odd seating position. I then decided I didn't really need a pick up anyway, and drove a 4Runner. The 4Runner was much more comfortable and had a better seating position, and I didn't hate the engine quite as much, though 3 years later I've definitely grown to hate it lol. Toyota really needs to up their powertrain game in the next generations for sure. Honestly I'm not even a big Toyota fan, I like Jeeps and the ZR2 better, but I do appreciate the fact that in 50,000 miles of ownership I've only spent $189 in (non -maintenance) repairs for my 4Runner. The fact that I bought it with almost 80k miles on it to start with makes that even more impressive.
I had a 2013 and really liked the great qualities but hated the bad. Any Tacoma owner will know. I would really like to get one again but it needs more power. Hopefully the next gen will have more power and a better transmission.
Got a 2017 i had since that yr n i could say im an og 3rd gen owner. Lifted it n put all terrains on it. Surprised i still get compliments on it even tho everyone n their mom drives one nowadays
Loved everything about mine but the powertrain. It was absolutely gutless unless I drove it like I stole it. Traded it for a full size truck with a V8 and get more fuel economy with much quicker and effortless acceleration.
Yeah, I drove one and knew there's no way I'd be able to deal with that powertrain. I ended up with a 4Runner, which is only marginally better. The four liter may be reliable, but the power delivery and torque curve is terrible, and the 3.5 is worse.
@@trailrunnah8886 everyone I know dumped their 4.0 for the newer motor and instantly regretted it and if they didn’t the moment they lifted and went to 33s they did Everyone lost money dumping them back for 4Runners or tundras and jeeps and now everyone is running back to smaller truck but the frontier because it’s a pure v6 with amazing interior the only problem now is nobody wants to design lift kits for Nissan so you have about 55k truck owners sitting in a pro4x model and nobody makes a decent lift kit for frontier or Titan besides RC and they won’t swear it fits a pro4x
@@jshapiro34 I was shopping for another Tacoma after I rolled my 2011 in Moab and totaled it. I was so close to getting a third Gen and had an appointment at the dealer for a test drive. BUT i just couldn’t settle for a down grade in engine when I already had no issues with my 4.0 from before. So I instead picked up a 2013 Trd Sport and re did do whole suspension to my liking after I broke it four times in one year. So far I got rid of all the weak links with all after market parts and Mickey Thompson Baja Boss 35’s. Now I just couldn’t be happier with it. Now I have a collection of three 4Runners, a Tacoma and my 1980 Toyota Pickup 4 linked in the front with a solid axle, Fox 18” travel 2.5’s and Chevy 63’s in the rear. I can’t stop buying and building Toyotas!!💪💪
That power trane is the most reliable on the market period. Superchargers are available for more power. Complaining about an "outdated" but reliable motor and trans makes no sense.
See how much better these videos are when you don't add blaring Muzak guitar solos. The sounds of the quads and buggies are far far far superior to Muzak background music. So refreshing to find a video without background Muzak.
Ha! So glad you noted how it performs going down. That’s what many owners don’t understand... gearing is to help slow the descent, just as much as help climb. And these Tacoma’s have atrocious gear ratios from factory for serious off-road use. They used to come off the lot geared to 4.88, now they’re geared to 3.73 (man), 4.30 (auto) - same as a Sienna! Also, these doggies have press-in ball joints, press-in-only wheel bearings ... very little is field repairable. Don’t even get me started on the exhaust routing, the rear leaf hangers, and the open-C chassis... The Tacoma platform is dead. I know, because I’m remodeling one right now and am horrified at how far Toyota has fallen since the days that formed their legend.
Then you'll want to look at the Hilux, because Toyota is never going to do that with the Tacoma. Just look what they doing with the tundra and sequoia. i'll be surprised if they keep the manual trans for the next gen.
Not too many of those, especially in truck form. Then throw in midsize trucks, and its only a 2, maybe 3 if you want to separate Chevy Coloradofrom GMC Canyon. Only 3 trucks on the market come with front and rear lockers. Jeep Gladiator Rubicon, Chevy Colorado ZR2/GM Equivalent., and the Dodge Power Wagon. Besides those trucks, there are 4 suvs that come with front and rear lockers. Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, Ford Bronco Sasquatch, Mercedes G Class, and Land Rover.
Another great episode, I had a TRD pro and switch to the gladiator, I noticed immediately a huge difference in the gear selection, and power availability, I am very much enjoying my gladiator
Not mine. Bad experience with my 2019 Tacoma. Many unscheduled maintenance visits. 3.5 years and 26,000 miles is going back in for more unscheduled repairs. Mine has proven to not been reliable. I’ll never own another 3rd generation Tacoma. Someone is going to be secretly disappointed when they pay more for this than I did in 10/2018 expecting something “reliable” and “bullet proof”. Lol.
@@josephkane4364 Tacoma hasn't been ranked among Toyota's most reliable models for quite some time but it's still probably going to be much better over the long term than any other midsize out there.
@@kidamere2408 nonsense. Ive put 20k on my diesel gladiator with 19k being on 39s and its absolutely flawless. Great power great mpg virtually unstoppable off road and I get a convertible and an endless aftermarket option set. Comparatively my 2017 4runner was the only vehicle I ever lemon law’d
Nathan says, "...I have a tall torso and subby legs..." and boy does that resonate with me. Sharing tour vans in a fleet with other drivers, you know who was driving that damn Econoline last just by seat position. Seat bottom forward, seat back leaned back, wheel tilted up a bit because you have tall torso, stubby legs, and lanky arms? Yup, was me.
Im more interested in the powerplant. If it’s a good turbo motor with low end torque (new 2.4T mill?) then a well programmed 6 speed will be just fine but yeah I suspect it’ll have the 10 being I think it’ll be based on the same frame platform as Tundra and following the recipe Ford has for its F-150 and Ranger.
@@zachsteele6964 I think engine and overall tuning are the more important factors. OEMs want to tune for maximum efficiency when driving normal, so on engines that need to rev to get good torque values, it means the transmission will be shifting more often to balance steady state and power situations. Not so much of an issue with turbocharged engines being they can build boost at low rpm to make shifts a little less necessary. But yeah more ratios with smaller spacing will result in the ECU being more ready to shift in order to get to whatever sweet spot it thinks it needs.
@@DUNEATV Major issues? Hmmm. In my 2021 SR5 Trail model I havent noticed any gear hunting issues yet at all. Runs pretty normal to me. I know Toyota released a software update for the transmission around 2019/2020. Maybe that helped. On a couple recent road trips I managed 25mpg with bed cover on. The cover added maybe 1 mpg. Not bad for a truck.
@@derekenz4185 That’s great actually. Glad you’re having a good experience. I still like the Tacoma even with it shortcomings but I just couldn’t get past the seating position. But I still secretly want one lol.
My bro has a tacoma, i hate the back seat, its made for children only, i cannot sit up staight, if i do i have to look down with the back of my head on the ceiling
A TRD-Offroad / Pro should be coming stock with some proper A/T tires, not street oriented tires. Up to 35” tires , a 16” rim is preferred. More side wall and better when airing down.
$47,150 with a manual transmission and $49,855 with an automatic. The price point really helps sells this truck . For those who dont want spend raptor money etc.
@@mattbrew11 I have driven there, I know the terrain... the point is you can't complain about lack of traction if you don't air down appropriately first...
Toyota is the king of hybrid. It really baffles me why they don't do a hybrid version of this. You get all that instant torque of an electric motor with the fuel efficiency and range of the four-cylinder without range anxiety. It seems like everybody is killing theirselves to build an all-electric vehicle with a 5000 lb battery without truly exploring the benefits of a hybrid
Yezz. On the money. Hybrids are the future. No way at ALLL that solar or plug in power will be enough for all to use. After all, cities are powered by coal. " fossil fuels" are going to be used a long time by developing and developed countries.
I had a '18 and sold it because of how bad the transmission was. I can't believe 4 years later they still haven't fixed it. How do you even screw up a 6 speed torque converter to begin with?
Surely it has front and rear lockers for that money? My 2021 Highlander Platinum has the new torque vectoring system that does not make that groaning noise, in fact no noise at all. It drives the wheels with the best traction seamlessly, even if the corners are in the air. You wouldn't know which wheels are off the ground because it just keeps moving forward with no switches switched, no hassle and no interruption in traction. It is nothing short of amazing with the right tires - Michelin Cross trek IIs. Amazing on or off road, snow, ice, wet, ice on one side pavement on the other - you just keep going forward with no fan fare and no problems. Toyota needs to put this on all of their 4x4s.
As an owner of a 2020 TRD OR. I like the TRD Pro but I don’t see the value in it other than the suspension. I paid $38.5k for my 2020 in Aug of 2020, $5k later, I have full RCI skid plate and an Ironman foam cell lift, since my suspension was already get very weak. I agree with Nathan, for me the tires where the weakest point, mine where worn out at 19k miles and the traction sucked, I now have nice Cooper STMaxx 10ply. The engine, no the drivetrain is the second weakest point. A tune can help. I think Toyota is living of it reputation and not moving forward.
-Tires -Engine -Transmission -Brakes -Infotainment -Seating position -Capability to tow/haul The Taco has a LOT of work to do to be competitive in the real world. They sell them on brand recognition alone to people who are terrible consumers.
Seems they never got the power train right for the midsize Tacoma. My 2004 had the same issues. Always hunting for a gear, cruise control was useless unless on flat ground because the swing up and down speed was 12+15 mph depending on the steepness of a grade. It was a pig just like the newer models. Best I ever did was 20 mpg but I was driving at 60mph the whole time for about a 600 mile trip. Usually it was 17-18 mpg. If you need a smaller pickup it makes some sense but you give up so much normal truck capability and get worse mpg than so many far more capable trucks. It would be nice if they do right by the power train with a new Tacoma but I'm not holding my breath.
A 17 minute single-take video that was fluid. I don't know how much time y'all put into prep. Impressive.
It's like watching Birdman
I actually love the 16” wheels. Gives you lots of sidewall to air down. Wish more new off readers offered 16”
unfortunately its a dying wheel size with very little offerings in load c which is the recommended for these lighter vehicles.
Now if they only paired it with good tires. "Pro"
I also prefer a smaller rim and bigger sidewall
Yeah I don’t mind the diameter, but it’s becoming increasingly less common so as the years progress I feel it’ll force owners to look at 17s at least to find a good tire.
The downside of 16” wheels is it really limits brake upgrade options
The one big issue is that they do not produce enough TRD pros!
I’m glad Nathan talked about how good the TRD pro’s FOX suspension is on the road.
You guys sound like little girls,!!! Arguing over lip gloss shade! Man up! Nothing comes perfect Color and accents, pointless. Yall sold out a long time ago! Shush up and buy some tires .
I read somewhere they only produce 7-10k of the PROs each year and of those 10k only around 2k are the “special” color for that year
People complain about TRD pro being over priced and no need for a pro and that the TRD Sport and Off Road are enough. Those people 😅 I have both a 2023 tacoma TRD pro in Solar Octane that I just purchased after paying off my 2022 TRD pro 4Runner lime rush. I put the Westcott designs lift on my oem fox shocks on my 4Runner. Idc what anybody has to say about the Pro models I’m not looking to build out my rigs.
Really enjoyed this style of video with Nathan and Tommy's interior conversations synched with Roman's exterior filming. Made the whole video feel much smoother and more cohesive. Good work guys 👍
Romans camera skills were on point!
I like that they're keeping the convo flowing but still showing both angles
Yes. Well done TFL
Yes, it was really well done. Nice work! (...but Roman, don't fall out of the truck!)
Everyone here is complaining while the Tacoma (especially the TRD PRO) still sells very well everywhere 🤣. And in years to come it'll still be sought out by so many people.
My big thing about the tire is that, I’m spending 50k and then immediately having to spend another $1500 to replace tires. If I’m buying an off-roader then give it off road tires
Pretty much the case for most OEM offerings.
But they know people will buy the truck and immediately replace the tires regardless. So more profit. Too bad striking or boycotting isn’t practical for such things. If the companies made relationships with more tire companies, maybe we would be able to choose tires when ordering, but idk if Toyota is letting people build and order now.
@@ALMX5DP go buy a gladiator rubicon or zr2 Colorado or a pro4x all them come with out of the box much better off-road tires then the taco
@@scotturich true, there might be a few exceptions (though I think Pro4X has a similar type AT to the Taco), but I don’t think it’s a deal breaker in the slightest for most who are shopping for a new vehicle. People interested in hardcore off-roading will ultimately be upgrading almost regardless of what they initially purchase. Almost rare to see a stock Rubicon (which is used as a Rubicon should be) on stock tires, most go for 35+” etc.
@@scotturich Agree as a ZR2 owner, but I still replaced the Duratracs before I even hit 2K miles. The OEM tires are too undersized for the scale of vehicle. Did a 1.25” level & 33s.
I have a 2019 TRD Off Road…wonderful off road and good on road too. It’s not wonderfully comfortable like a full size truck but it fits great on small trails. I use mine as a daily driver - bought my truck new in Jan of 2019…I now have 176k trouble free miles (many in 4WD)!
The pro makes a lot of sense if you want the options. If you spec out an off road with all the bells and whistles and technology features, it's just under the price of the pro. For the fox suspension, and the headlights, and the grille, I think it's worth the difference if you wanted all the bells and whistles
I hated it until I saw it in person, and I kinda love it now. We had one at carmax where I work and I drove that thing around all day it was so cool.
I love tacoma trd pro content. Keep it up!!
Owner of a 19 TRD pro. Can confirm these are so capable as long as you don't mind the transmission being a mess and getting 7 gallons per mile.
Yikes, that is bad!
7 mpg? You’re exaggerating right?
@@TheOutdoorBeerReview Yep, exactly. My Rubicon for comparison gets 21-22 mpg with factory 33’s. Mainly do to the 8-speed…
Ok kids, I said gallons per mile... Noting that this in entirely being funny. But real mpg I get around town is near 11. That isn't being funny that's being exact.
Because I was dumb enough to put 10 ply mudder 33s on my Offroad truck 😂 so yea, don't buy it for its economy.
They also put those tires on because they still sound relatively quiet and smooth on the road. That's where test drives take place.
and mpg testing
Great point 👉. Road noise and quietness is something a lot of people forget and overlook.
@@JMunn55 mpg 19 wow my f150 fx4 v8 gets 26mpg on the hwy shes stupid fast and can tow a tacoma on top of a trailer tacoma can't tow that much and 50k usd absolutely useless
And to be fair, you can always change them out and sell the oem ones or save them when you later sell the vehicle.
@@michoacanom4320 The TRD pro is way, way, way better off road though.
Great job as usual guys. Not many people are going to take their $50k tacoma off road but you've shown what it can do
Truth. We bought a 22 pro for my wife and she will not take it off-road. We do take several trips to the snow and fire roads each year but no real off-roading. We got a really good deal on the pro but we were initially looking for a off-road
I like how he bags on the engine and driving experience at 2:26 then at 2:59 it’s like “Ok, let’s change the subject….” 😂
I used to own a 2018 Toyota Tacoma TRD Off Road fully equipped and really like it but the only problem was that it was too small, specially inside. My kids that are teenagers wouldn’t fit comfortable in the back seats cause of the position that I needed to have to drive comfortable myself and for my wife to be comfortable while riding as a family. So I ended up exchanging it for a 2021 Toyota Tundra TRD PRO and we think we made the right choice cause it’s just perfect, inside and outside!!!.
Really appreciated Nathan’s comments about the Tacoma’s struggles with the high speed driving. Considering a midsize as my next truck.
New age pos toyota with a wimpy engine. These all need a 4.7 v8
I have 33’s on my 2020 trdor and i drive 80 no problem. Not great fuel mileage at that speed though
Hello, I own a 2021 TRD Pro in Lunar Rock. I was debating wether to get a tune on the truck like the OV tune etc. Instead I purchased the sprint booster and hooked it up. The truck now drives like what I consider to be normal. I have it in the sport mode at level 7. I used to own a 2003 Tundra with the 4.7 litre motor. The Tacoma with the sprint booster drives just like the Tundra used to. To me it feels like it has plenty of power. The shift points are on par. No more gear hunting. I really like the sprint booster. It works great. Maybe you guys should do a video on the Tacoma with the Sprint Booster and express your opinion.
First off you guys are incredible, informative, funny just an incredible job doing this show! Second, I am soooooo glad you guys are finally mic’d up, now the camera can move around without losing audio!! You guys knock each video out of the park… sorry for the rant just super impressed and important I thought you should know!!
Keep up the incredible work!👍
I’ve had my 2022 lunar rock manual transmission Tacoma for a week now and I love it. The manual does 80mph easy on the 5th and 6th gear, less than 2500rpms.
I live in utah so 80mph is the limit, but I try to stay at 70 on the slow lane to conserve some gas money. So far I’ve done 18.8 in the city and 21 on the highway. Not great but considering I work from home, I’m really only driving on the weekends.
Is it a TRD off road?
My 2019 Off-Road after re-gearing to 5.29 and a tune alongside them made my truck significantly better to drive around.
What size tires did you go with?
Would you say it drives better than the stock gearing?
I do like your point on the hood scoop. That's one more point in favor of the TRD Off Road b/c it doesn't have the fake scoop like the Sport or the Pro models. About the only think the Off Road lacks are the FOX Shocks, you can find all the other bells and whistles.
I love the scoop. Coming f4om a 2019 prro owner. Wish I had the all around cameras
Pretty sure that I found in my research that the TRD Off Road doesn't have a moonroof or heated seats. Maybe I was just looking in the wrong places.
*EDIT* My bad. I was talking about 4Runners so maybe the Tacomas are different regarding those options that I brought up. Peace.
Traded my Sport scooped hood for an offroad hood (plus some cash!). Non offroaders seem to like the thing.
Thanks for not forgetting to mention the value and longevity of Toyota. This is not brought up in so many comparisons. Because of that value and quality, I sold my 2021 Tacoma Trd Tro for $2k more than the purchase price after 7k miles were driven on it. Now I'm waiting for the 2022 Taco TRD Pro in Electric Lime Green with the 6 speed manual.........it's been 6 months........sure hope it gets built soon!
Ah Toyota's crawl control, its the sound of 1000 robots dying. Or the signal from Independence Day in vehicle form.
Man, I really hope that green is available on the new Tacoma. It's perfect, not too bright, not to dull
One of the best comments you can make for an original equipment tire, it is “adequate” for everything. That is actually a pretty good compliment. Everything with an OE tire is a trade off, wet, snow, dry, off road, wear, gravel penetration, noise, rolling resistance (fuel economy). OE tires need to do it all, adequately. Aftermarket tires have the benefit of being able to “give up” on something to force on traction or wear, etc. love the 16” wheels on this, big rims have little to no performance benefit on a truck. If the rims fit over the brakes, that’s all you need. Make up the rest of the diameter with the tire sidewall.
If Toyota went back to their old manual hubs, they could gain between 2 to 3 mpg.
I once had a 92 4Runner, which had that shift on the fly using a vacuum actuator in the axle to engage the left and right front axle to each other. It was tricky to get into 4 Hi, since the actuator had to first be engaged, before you could mess up w/the transfer case. You had to almost come to a complete stop before the transfer case would engage.
Since Toyota's still had the old hubs on them, you could put on Manual Hubs, which helped w/the fuel mileage, since the axle wasn't turning w/them disengaged. You could also permanently lock in the Vacuum Actuator, so that the front axle was just like a regular solid one, such that w/the Hubs locked in, the axle is now turning, and so shifting in and out of 4 Hi could be done at highway speeds and was smooth in doing so w/no issues.
I also gained a good 2-3 mpg w/the manual hubs locked out, since the axle wasn't turning anymore when disengaged.
Oh, I now own a 2020 Tacoma TRD 4x4 Sport, w/a rare Manual Transmission, as well as the rare Extended Cab. I didn't want an automatic, nor the Crew Cab. I've gotten as much as 24 mpg doing 70 on the highway w/it.
Roman was somehow managing his heavy breath 👌😁
Not going to lie, from my personal experience the manual transmission is more fuel efficient then the auto.
Also feels more peppy based on how the gearing is.
(for reference Nitro Gears also backs this claim)
It's not the engine it's the transmission. 5th and 6th gear are overdrive gears for mpg. If you get it tuned correctly it becomes a whole new driving experience. Amazing truck.
Well, the engine still makes its peak torque at over 5K RPM, which is at the wrong end of the RPM range for a truck.
Totally Agree! A 50K offroader should have capable tires.
and good cupholders with USB charging options in the back for passengers.
It should also have disc brakes in back, a fully boxed frame, a decent interior, an 8-10sp trans, etc etc. Which the other mid size trucks all have. This truck is just showing its age.
@@Stuka87 no disc's in the back was almost a deal breaker for me. If it wasn't for the manual transmission option I would have gotten a Ford ranger or Colorado instead
@@Stuka87 the other midsize trucks are utter garbage compared to the Tacoma
@@RagingBad Ok dude. The Tacoma is a 20 year old platform that offers nothing over the competition. If you like it, thats fine. But every other midsize out does it in every way.
Last month I got a OR 6MT for under 40K, I still can't justify Toyota selling it at that 50k price. I have like 95% of what the TRD Pro has... I really Love Mine, I just keep looking at it.
Really enjoy your guys channel and how unbiased you all are on your reviews. Thank you for the updated review on the new TRD Pro.
This truck is just beautiful!
I traded in my 2016 TRD off road inferno for a 2022 TRD Pro just for the electric lime. Price didn't love the toyota brand have had many issues with the engine or trans except when halling my trailer for camping and racing. It's the only truck I will buy, and with the changes I hear are coming in the Gen 4 I will be holding onto this one as long as possible.
I like the dirt bikes / UTV'S / jeeps In the background it adds a new level of excitement to you're video makes it feel more real natural less scripted 😁
I like everything about this truck!
That Taco looks identical to the one DRIVING SPORTS TV tested a day or two ago.
My husband and O have recently relocated from BC, Canada to Utah, USA and are both now into prerunning in the desert!.. He already has a Raptor, but for me, I need a smaller midsized truck, so torn between the Tacoma TRD models or the Colorado ZR2... I have owned 3 Toyotas, and still have the FJ Cruised that my dad bought me when I was 16.... So I know and love Toyota, but just want to explore other brands!... Your videos are always helpful!... Well, now off to watch some Colorado ZR2 reviews.
Excellent and helpful video, as always!
Hands down my favorite midsize truck on the market. I absolutely love it
Anyone that hates passing or being able to pull 5k up a grade surely agrees
@@mattbrew11 don’t forget 21st century rear brakes
tacomas with the 3.5 is are piles, that the fanboys have been making excuses for since 2016.
Reliability for tacomas is poor
@@scott8238 yea because that Xterra is better right?
I greatly appreciate everyone's honesty keep up the good work
Yea, but why be basic like every other Taco on the road. I still love the Cav Blue more than my Electric Lime, but they didn't make that color in 2023 unfortunately.
Love my 19 TRD Pro MT6. Slow as molasses but it’s been my reliable worker/DD for these past years. Plus side, I didn’t pay these current ridiculous inflated prices they charge for these tacos. I thought paying 39-40k was high then. No freakin way it’s worth the current +60k price I’ve seen at my local stealers. But I guess some are paying it. 🤦…anyway, always Great content and discussion videos gentlemen!🤙
Most of these trucks will never see dirt and their owners will wine and complain about how loud the tires are or how fast they wear out. Those that regularly go off road will have an owner with a specific tire preference and application.
Exactly
Facts about what you guys are saying. I own a 22 Tacoma 3inch lift installed. soon ima buy tires and rims once I used up the oem tire that’s on there. Still love the truck. This is my 2nd Tacoma the 1st one got totaled waited 8 months to see what’s around then I went back and I got my current taco 22 all blacked out
I was thinking about a tow hitch with a steel roller on the bottom of it so it rolls over rocks instead of scrapes.
You can see Nathan has more experience and knowledge than Tommy. This works for them working together.
You guys forgot to mention the $20k+ markups that dealers are adding to these right now. Here in Flagstaff, you can still pick up a TRD OR (when they have them) with zero markup.
Varies state by state and dealerships but yeah ive seen some crazy markups
Got mine in Ohio at msrp
@@jamesbarber6339 how much you pay total? Including dealership fees?
The v-spec for the truck had it at 51,300 with all the options. Taxes and dealer fees brought me 54,000 out the door.
I special ordered my rubicon JT diesel and paid less than $50k (before taxes)
I have a 2020 TRD Pro tacoma. After owning quite a few cars, trucks and suvs I can honestly say I've never had a vehicle with such an odd combination of so many great and terrible design/engineering qualities all combined into one package
@Cameron J same wife traded her 4.0 lifted Tacoma finally and test drove the new one and without consideration she ended up with a cement grey 22 trd off-road 4runner and it’s already leveled with a RC kit and K&N cold air and black widow exhaust now we just need about 30k for 285s to be installed after the nittos are done
My bro has a tacoma, i hate the back seat, its made for children only, i cannot sit up staight, if i do i have to look down with the back of my head on the ceiling.
Super reliable engine with a f'ed up transmission tune.
Sturdy well built go anywhere truck with back seats so small that grade school kids complain so in the end you don't want to go anywhere
360 cameras (great idea)....with resolution quality from the 1990s
I had Michelins installed on mine BIG IMPROVEMENT.
Finally some off-roading stuff in TFLoffroad instead of some towing stuff that should not be on this particular channel.
Just bought a TRD Pro Off Road for 42k and its awesome. I personally like the tires for better fuel economy. each to his own. The Green color is very nice! Toyota should add more colors erotic like jeep has. Paint sells vehicles
$42k? They are $55k-$62k around Mass
As a current 2021 ZR2 Colorado owner, I think Toyota still builds a great product. I’m looking forward in seeing the next Taco. This current gen just doesn’t work for me. I drove one and disliked pretty much everything from the sitting position to the drive itself. I’m sure Toyota will correct a lot of this in the next gen. So far I love the ZR2, amazing truck, and I really like how simple this truck really is. Great tires, a true 4x4 with lockers front and rear. So far no issues, I will keep it for many of years to come.
Nice to hear I just ordered me 1500 ZR2
Yeah, I drove a Tacoma a few years back, I wanted to love it because I really like the styling. Once I drove it though, I was over it. Didn't really like anything about driving it, from the terrible drivetrain to the odd seating position. I then decided I didn't really need a pick up anyway, and drove a 4Runner. The 4Runner was much more comfortable and had a better seating position, and I didn't hate the engine quite as much, though 3 years later I've definitely grown to hate it lol. Toyota really needs to up their powertrain game in the next generations for sure. Honestly I'm not even a big Toyota fan, I like Jeeps and the ZR2 better, but I do appreciate the fact that in 50,000 miles of ownership I've only spent $189 in (non -maintenance) repairs for my 4Runner. The fact that I bought it with almost 80k miles on it to start with makes that even more impressive.
The original 4.0 from them I loved this new 3.5 is trash
@@Emeraldcoastking I hate the 4.0 in my 4Runner, least favorite engine of any car I've ever owned.
Not to mention you can get a diesel with the zr2 it’s so nice having that low end torque off roading
I had a 2013 and really liked the great qualities but hated the bad. Any Tacoma owner will know. I would really like to get one again but it needs more power. Hopefully the next gen will have more power and a better transmission.
Got a 2017 i had since that yr n i could say im an og 3rd gen owner. Lifted it n put all terrains on it. Surprised i still get compliments on it even tho everyone n their mom drives one nowadays
Best truck off-road, hands down
Only way I found to be done with the gear seeking on my Tacoma was a KDMax tune. Truck is a dream on the highway with the gears staying constant.
Never seen the improvement over this engine and the 4.0.
I had one. If you think the Powertrain sucks, wait till you put 33s.
The fake hood scoop on the bonett must be the Tacoma beauty mole. Looks great. My 2022 Tacoma Off Road is so handsome to me.
Loved everything about mine but the powertrain. It was absolutely gutless unless I drove it like I stole it. Traded it for a full size truck with a V8 and get more fuel economy with much quicker and effortless acceleration.
Yeah, I drove one and knew there's no way I'd be able to deal with that powertrain. I ended up with a 4Runner, which is only marginally better. The four liter may be reliable, but the power delivery and torque curve is terrible, and the 3.5 is worse.
@@trailrunnah8886 everyone I know dumped their 4.0 for the newer motor and instantly regretted it and if they didn’t the moment they lifted and went to 33s they did
Everyone lost money dumping them back for 4Runners or tundras and jeeps and now everyone is running back to smaller truck but the frontier because it’s a pure v6 with amazing interior the only problem now is nobody wants to design lift kits for Nissan so you have about 55k truck owners sitting in a pro4x model and nobody makes a decent lift kit for frontier or Titan besides RC and they won’t swear it fits a pro4x
@@jshapiro34 I was shopping for another Tacoma after I rolled my 2011 in Moab and totaled it. I was so close to getting a third Gen and had an appointment at the dealer for a test drive. BUT i just couldn’t settle for a down grade in engine when I already had no issues with my 4.0 from before. So I instead picked up a 2013 Trd Sport and re did do whole suspension to my liking after I broke it four times in one year. So far I got rid of all the weak links with all after market parts and Mickey Thompson Baja Boss 35’s. Now I just couldn’t be happier with it. Now I have a collection of three 4Runners, a Tacoma and my 1980 Toyota Pickup 4 linked in the front with a solid axle, Fox 18” travel 2.5’s and Chevy 63’s in the rear. I can’t stop buying and building Toyotas!!💪💪
The 3.5 is great. Just needs gears and a tune and she rips
@@trailrunnah8886 same here. Loved the truck but that engine was terrible.
The other thing I would add, is the dropped portion of the exhaust. Getting mine rerouted so it doesn’t hang up on the rocks.
That power trane is the most reliable on the market period. Superchargers are available for more power. Complaining about an "outdated" but reliable motor and trans makes no sense.
See how much better these videos are when you don't add blaring Muzak guitar solos. The sounds of the quads and buggies are far far far superior to Muzak background music. So refreshing to find a video without background Muzak.
That one loss of traction was more of suspension travel for tire meeting the ground surface.
I still love my 18. Glad I bought it then when life was still normal
Good job boys, and nice work behind the camera Roman!
Ha! So glad you noted how it performs going down. That’s what many owners don’t understand... gearing is to help slow the descent, just as much as help climb. And these Tacoma’s have atrocious gear ratios from factory for serious off-road use. They used to come off the lot geared to 4.88, now they’re geared to 3.73 (man), 4.30 (auto) - same as a Sienna! Also, these doggies have press-in ball joints, press-in-only wheel bearings ... very little is field repairable. Don’t even get me started on the exhaust routing, the rear leaf hangers, and the open-C chassis... The Tacoma platform is dead. I know, because I’m remodeling one right now and am horrified at how far Toyota has fallen since the days that formed their legend.
They act like the king of the hill instead of attempting to innovate. Booooring.
Absolutely love that color. Wish it was available for the off road so I could get that color with a 6ft box
That green is mesmerizing 😍😍
I feel the same about the stock Hankook Dynapro AT2 tires on my 2021 F-150 STX 4x4. I can’t wait to wear them out and replace them ha!
I’m glad Nathan is back in the vid
I love me some Nathan
I want the next Tacoma to be turbo diesel ,manual trans and manual shifter for the 4x4 transfer case Front and rear locker and manual locking hubs.
Then you'll want to look at the Hilux, because Toyota is never going to do that with the Tacoma. Just look what they doing with the tundra and sequoia. i'll be surprised if they keep the manual trans for the next gen.
I want Bigfoot to reveal himself.
@@goingindieEN
Hey man can dream. I have a 3rd gen tacoma with six speed manual and an 87 4 runner
I Would love a turbo Diesel Tacoma one day
@@SuperSnallygaster
Probably more obtainable
@@robo5391 Thats why I said to check out the Hilux. It's just a tacoma with a diesel engine and manual trans. You'll just have to import it.
I’m not a fan of brake vectoring; I’ll buy a vehicle with factory front and rear lockers, every time.
Not too many of those, especially in truck form. Then throw in midsize trucks, and its only a 2, maybe 3 if you want to separate Chevy Coloradofrom GMC Canyon. Only 3 trucks on the market come with front and rear lockers. Jeep Gladiator Rubicon, Chevy Colorado ZR2/GM Equivalent., and the Dodge Power Wagon. Besides those trucks, there are 4 suvs that come with front and rear lockers. Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, Ford Bronco Sasquatch, Mercedes G Class, and Land Rover.
ATRAC is pretty awesome... haven't seen a situation where it doesn't work
Another great episode, I had a TRD pro and switch to the gladiator, I noticed immediately a huge difference in the gear selection, and power availability, I am very much enjoying my gladiator
For 2 or 3 years until that gladitor falls apart and tacoma still going
Not mine. Bad experience with my 2019 Tacoma. Many unscheduled maintenance visits. 3.5 years and 26,000 miles is going back in for more unscheduled repairs. Mine has proven to not been reliable. I’ll never own another 3rd generation Tacoma. Someone is going to be secretly disappointed when they pay more for this than I did in 10/2018 expecting something “reliable” and “bullet proof”. Lol.
@@josephkane4364 ha good luck with that
@@josephkane4364 Tacoma hasn't been ranked among Toyota's most reliable models for quite some time but it's still probably going to be much better over the long term than any other midsize out there.
@@kidamere2408 nonsense. Ive put 20k on my diesel gladiator with 19k being on 39s and its absolutely flawless. Great power great mpg virtually unstoppable off road and I get a convertible and an endless aftermarket option set. Comparatively my 2017 4runner was the only vehicle I ever lemon law’d
Nathan says, "...I have a tall torso and subby legs..." and boy does that resonate with me. Sharing tour vans in a fleet with other drivers, you know who was driving that damn Econoline last just by seat position. Seat bottom forward, seat back leaned back, wheel tilted up a bit because you have tall torso, stubby legs, and lanky arms? Yup, was me.
I am waiting on the new version of this truck. Hope it will be a 10 speed with more power.
At least an 8 speed 🤞
Im more interested in the powerplant. If it’s a good turbo motor with low end torque (new 2.4T mill?) then a well programmed 6 speed will be just fine but yeah I suspect it’ll have the 10 being I think it’ll be based on the same frame platform as Tundra and following the recipe Ford has for its F-150 and Ranger.
does anyone else think the high gear transmissions are worse than lower gear ones? my mom's van has an 8 speed and all it does is shift.
@@zachsteele6964 I think engine and overall tuning are the more important factors. OEMs want to tune for maximum efficiency when driving normal, so on engines that need to rev to get good torque values, it means the transmission will be shifting more often to balance steady state and power situations. Not so much of an issue with turbocharged engines being they can build boost at low rpm to make shifts a little less necessary. But yeah more ratios with smaller spacing will result in the ECU being more ready to shift in order to get to whatever sweet spot it thinks it needs.
@@zachsteele6964 depends on the tuning and the application. The 8HP75 behind the diesel in my gladiator is an incredible trans
Is that a legitimate recovery point they added or is it just an unrated factory tie down point?
I have a 2022 TRD Off Road and I love it! I do agree that the fuel economy sucks and the trans sucks. Other than that, excellent truck 💪🏼
Fuel economy and the transmission are two major issues thou…
@@DUNEATV Major issues? Hmmm. In my 2021 SR5 Trail model I havent noticed any gear hunting issues yet at all. Runs pretty normal to me. I know Toyota released a software update for the transmission around 2019/2020. Maybe that helped. On a couple recent road trips I managed 25mpg with bed cover on. The cover added maybe 1 mpg. Not bad for a truck.
@@derekenz4185 That’s great actually. Glad you’re having a good experience. I still like the Tacoma even with it shortcomings but I just couldn’t get past the seating position. But I still secretly want one lol.
My bro has a tacoma, i hate the back seat, its made for children only, i cannot sit up staight, if i do i have to look down with the back of my head on the ceiling
How can a truck be Excellent, when the whole truck is built around the engine and drivetrain and you say they suck?!
A TRD-Offroad / Pro should be coming stock with some proper A/T tires, not street oriented tires.
Up to 35” tires , a 16” rim is preferred. More side wall and better when airing down.
Yea but idk but in my state people buy these trucks to look cool so it makes sense to over charge them and put crap tires on them
@@mluehs12891 you dont look cool with street tires on a pro off roader. you look like a poser.
Not like many people even use it for its intended purpose. Reason why Ram switched to coils in their trucks a while ago
$47,150 with a manual transmission and $49,855 with an automatic. The price point really helps sells this truck . For those who dont want spend raptor money etc.
We lost traction after not bothering to air down... must be the tires...
Where they are driving steet pressure on average real all terrains is fine. The only thing gained is more compliance on moab slick rock
@@mattbrew11 I have driven there, I know the terrain... the point is you can't complain about lack of traction if you don't air down appropriately first...
Toyota is the king of hybrid. It really baffles me why they don't do a hybrid version of this. You get all that instant torque of an electric motor with the fuel efficiency and range of the four-cylinder without range anxiety. It seems like everybody is killing theirselves to build an all-electric vehicle with a 5000 lb battery without truly exploring the benefits of a hybrid
Yezz. On the money. Hybrids are the future. No way at ALLL that solar or plug in power will be enough for all to use. After all, cities are powered by coal. " fossil fuels" are going to be used a long time by developing and developed countries.
Man. That crawl control is loud as hell! 😂
Just got rid of mine, was so boring to drive I couldn't justify it anymore and that was with a manual transmission
It's an offroad truck not a Go kart. What was boring about it?
What truck/car did you get after selling your tacoma?
@@BDevi0us 22 Nissan Frontier.
@@Bigboyz-li7fo actually just a turd 2wd 4cyl 2019 nissan to hold me over until the market cools off, then I will likely buy a power wagon.
@@JDMEXforme I've owned plenty off offroad trucks and NONE where as numb and detuned as that one
Just get a set of BFG's. I think I had some that were about 33" tall and they were fantastic.
I had a '18 and sold it because of how bad the transmission was. I can't believe 4 years later they still haven't fixed it. How do you even screw up a 6 speed torque converter to begin with?
One thing, mpg.
Great content as always. Fantastic review
I did that bit of fins and things in my 06 cayenne and wow that frame bender is terrifying if your not comfortable with the vehicles capabilities yet
I was just there 2 weeks ago. Beautiful place and a lot fun
great video guys!
Surely it has front and rear lockers for that money? My 2021 Highlander Platinum has the new torque vectoring system that does not make that groaning noise, in fact no noise at all. It drives the wheels with the best traction seamlessly, even if the corners are in the air. You wouldn't know which wheels are off the ground because it just keeps moving forward with no switches switched, no hassle and no interruption in traction. It is nothing short of amazing with the right tires - Michelin Cross trek IIs. Amazing on or off road, snow, ice, wet, ice on one side pavement on the other - you just keep going forward with no fan fare and no problems. Toyota needs to put this on all of their 4x4s.
I highly doubt you will do anything in the highlander that will warrant you to buy a Tacoma.
@@beexiong2995 Been there done that :)
Hate the auto transmission. Hunts for gears constantly. Got rid of my 18 TRD Pro because of it. Get the manual trans if you get one.
I own a 2022 TRD Pro with a manual 6 speed. No gear hunting!
Cool, now take the Pro-4x out there.
As an owner of a 2020 TRD OR. I like the TRD Pro but I don’t see the value in it other than the suspension. I paid $38.5k for my 2020 in Aug of 2020, $5k later, I have full RCI skid plate and an Ironman foam cell lift, since my suspension was already get very weak.
I agree with Nathan, for me the tires where the weakest point, mine where worn out at 19k miles and the traction sucked, I now have nice Cooper STMaxx 10ply. The engine, no the drivetrain is the second weakest point. A tune can help. I think Toyota is living of it reputation and not moving forward.
My 2021 TRD Offroad had no guts at all. I sold it back to the stealership 6 months later.
-Tires
-Engine
-Transmission
-Brakes
-Infotainment
-Seating position
-Capability to tow/haul
The Taco has a LOT of work to do to be competitive in the real world. They sell them on brand recognition alone to people who are terrible consumers.
100% CORRECT; the Tacoma is painfully outdated … even compared to a Ranger & Colorado.
Toyota living on that perceived reliability from the 90's. 3rd gen Tacoma powertrain is hot garbage
That was a great tire review.
How do you compare the automatic transmission Tacoma TRD Pro compared to the 6-speed manual transmission Tacoma TRD Pro?
Seems they never got the power train right for the midsize Tacoma. My 2004 had the same issues. Always hunting for a gear, cruise control was useless unless on flat ground because the swing up and down speed was 12+15 mph depending on the steepness of a grade. It was a pig just like the newer models. Best I ever did was 20 mpg but I was driving at 60mph the whole time for about a 600 mile trip. Usually it was 17-18 mpg. If you need a smaller pickup it makes some sense but you give up so much normal truck capability and get worse mpg than so many far more capable trucks.
It would be nice if they do right by the power train with a new Tacoma but I'm not holding my breath.
Yeah, it seems like Toyota can make a reliable V6, they just can't make one with a useful power curve.
Good to see Nathan again