Important Note: For pricing the Vision 14 included 19% VAT because it was being sold in Germany, as well as a higher price than the US due to longer warranty requirements. This makes the pricing much better compared to the Blade 14
Was gonna say compare the price to a razer blade in euros it's like 2200, when comparing pc parts from eur to gbp to usd it's often not far off a 1 to 1 exchange rate
Tbh, that's quite sloppy not to prepare that for the video. I get that short circuit is rapid fire reviews but c'mon... You have a big reach. Do your minimum homework
You also need to consider pricing for stuff in Europe is higher in general, so you can't compare it to the US prices anyway. Especially since this company seems to have a good support system that works better in Europe too. Local producer
Hi everyone, we would like to comment on the screen wobble in this video: VISION 14 is a 1kg laptop with very narrow screen bezels. As bezels get more narrow, so does the amount of space we can use to attach (with screws) hinges to the screen assembly. This causes laptops all across the industry to get slightly more wobbly recently. The hinges in VISION 14 are relatively light and offer a torque resistance of only 2.5kg - this allows the laptop to be opened with one hand. It also makes the laptop feel nice and effortless to work with and it fits the overall ultra-low-weight design. In the months after the beginning of mass production, we have worked with our ODM in Taiwan to increase the hinge torque to 3.3kg (losing one-hand opening), but this eliminated wobble only to a small extent, because wobble is a combination of hinge assembly space and the inherent flexibility of the ultra-light, thin chassis material. What you see here in the video seems to be strongly exaggerated by the fact that the *table itself* in the video is wobbling. You can see this in many of the overhead shots with the pattern of the mousepad wobbling up and down on the screen. This seems to be a bad case of the table's own wobble frequency being in resonance with the laptop's wobble frequency, making the wobble more pronounced and lasting much longer than it should. Such harmonic frequencies can amplify each other. The wobbly table, having much more mass than the laptop, will increase the amplitude of the screen wobble and make it hard to stop. It happens in music, but it also happens in mechanics. In reality, you will *not see such wobble* when: • Putting the laptop on a hard surface that does not wobble itself • Putting the laptop on any soft surface (such as your lap), because a soft surface would immediately dampen any wobble • Putting the laptop on a sleeve would also work as a dampener You can find a number of other reviews of VISION 14 and TUXEDO InfinityBook Pro 14 Gen6 on UA-cam where the laptop was tested on hard, wobble-free surfaces and the screen wobble was not that bad in those review. Also, we haven't gotten much negative feedback from end-users about this issue because it is very easy to deal with by just using an appropriate working surface. If you have any other questions about VISION 14, please reply to this comment directly. Thank you for your feedback! // Tom
Hey thanks for being here to answer questions. Can you charge the laptop from both USB-C ports? If so how much power will the accept? I have an Envy 14 that, like the Vision, has a barrel plug and USB-C, and I can use either one to charge fast enough to run games without discharging the battery (assuming I am using at least something like a 70 watt USB-C charger, 60 watts is a little too low. 100 is plenty).
@@AdaDenali VISION 14 can be charged from both USB-C ports (left and right) when powered on, but only from the right port when powered off. It will allow almost 90W and thus give almost the same performance as the barrel plug. We have posted benchmark comparisons between barrel plug and USB-C power in the Reddit thread "[Launch] SCHENKER VISION 14 with i7-11370H and RTX 3050 Ti" - you can find it with the search engine of your choice. // Tom
@@xmg_gg thanks Tom, that’s awesome. I’ve wanted double sided USB-C charging on my laptop for a long time, but haven’t wanted to give up USB-A ports like with a XPS or Macbook. This laptop is definitely going on a list.
@@blue4059 12th Gen is in the pipeline for VISION 14. Expected to be launched in early Q2, but some delays are still possible due to some power IC shortages. // Tom
yeah actually I have been to New York when I was 13 (now I'm 26) and I remember for a fact that prices in stores don't include VAT which is SOOOO FUUCKING STUPID! like what the hell? just include VAT like MOST OF THE WORLD DOES! (well mainly Europe anyway)
@@CarthagoMike yeah sadly that's something we're not use to in NA.. tax is always added later so most people don't catch that when looking at euro prices.
Is it? I'm not sure exactly how ordering something from a country with a VAT tax to a country with a sales tax model works, even if the VAT is removed when shipping to another country there are also import taxes to be concerned with which at least in the US vary based on the type of product and could make that 19% VAT back. Then if you factor in sales taxes like they didn't do here that could mean an increased 10.3% or 0% depending on where exactly you live... Like shipping taxes are highly variable depending on where you are and you can really only go by the list price on the website, though it would have been more fair for a German to German site comparison.
At least in this case, the price isn't far more expensive in Europe. In Germany the price for the Blade 14 is 2016 USD before VAT compared to 2000 USD before Tax in the states. The problem is Alex didn't account for the fact Europe includes VAT in the advertised prices, so his conversion of the Vision 14 price was flawed. Really his config is about 1780 USD.
The price on the laptop includes VAT, and I'm not sure the Razer comparison does - as a note, without (German 19%) VAT it's around 1631€ , which is 1780 USD
I don't entirely agree with the price comparison here. The Schenker had VAT included in the Euro price, the Razer Blade one (on their website) did not in their Dollar price.
You expect that smart, technology oriented person, often ordering online and providing tech news from all over the world would know pricing basics at least. It's your bad. P.S. Blame me in also... I like their shows and watch them despite the fact that many opinions and facts are (purposely or not)"twisted". In that case I would at least expect simplification like 1:1 euro conversion and 20% VAT deduction as this is close to average tax in EU.
@@smartlifesystems honestly I'm just about done with LTT and the rest of the channels. They slag some products and praise others on some criteria for the exact same thing (IOs). Recommending oled and then admitting it's not working, then going back to recommending it. Really loses any credibility when they bang their chest on being objective
@@smartlifesystems It's not unheard of to forget about included VAT, even among LMG they virtually never buy overseas products. It's not even possible to get this laptop shipped to the United States. And they mentioned and pinned in comment. Really, the person you should be blaming is UA-cam for removing Annotations. This was never a problem for the first decade of YT videos, they would just have annotations for all their fixes.
You can turn on "fast sync" in the nvidia driver panel, that removes tearing while not having any of the disadvantages of v-sync. btw, Schenker (XMG) laptops have been around for many years and it has always been a very good bang for buck. And as said here, prices in EU are with tax, so it would be better to compare it to Razer prices in EU as well.
@@Darkest_matter XMG and SCHENKER are both brands of Schenker Technologies GmbH, a German company that is now entering its 20th year in business. We do more than just rebranding. We have a permanent office in Taiwan and work closely with our ODM partners to make these premium chassis a reality. // Tom
@@xmg_gg I see. I thought it was just a case of like what some clothing brands du with Gildan hoodies. Send over some custom designs for an existing chasis and print your logo on the lid and bios screen
Well when looking at the price you have to account for the fact that electronics are cheaper in the US when you compare it you usually pay 150-200€ more in Europe when you translate both prices into the same currency
regarding prices you did one overlook: in the webshop of the laptop being reviewed, taxes are included. if you convert to us, you have to take into account, there's no tax applied to the prices shown in us dolans. that 2k razer laptop still has local state tax to it, making it more like a 2200 usd laptop, not a 2k one. either include or exclude tax on both. not tax naming for just one, but not the other ;)
For the pricing you need to consider that in the US, prices are usually without tax. In Europe usually prices are with tax included. Accounting for that, the Schenker might be cheaper than the Razer.
that screen bouncing around the whole time would drive me completely nuts. there's your deal breaker right there (before we even consider acoustics, heat generation, bad audio, etc)
Very nice to see some companies actually taking reparability seriously now, even in an ultrabook form factor. I like to think it's because of Framework basically calling out Apple's bull about modularity always equaling Panasonic Toughbook levels of chunky. this is good. let's hope this trend continues.
It's not even cheaper, it's around 10% more expensive - Alex forgot that EU stores have to include VAT in their displayed pricing, so he compared oranges to apples
and he is comparing EU price which includes ~20% VAT with US razer website where the tax is not included. But nevertheless, XMG greatly increased the prices and is not worth it at all
cheaper, untill you include taxes on the razer laptop, then it's more in the same ballpark for performance. a oversight by ltt (the german laptop price includes tax, the razxer one shown does not)
I'm using one from a local PC boutique called Aftershock. Its a Tongfang chassis, can't quite recall what it's model number is but it's fantastic for something that's really light and sleek. Best part is that its silent for regular day to day use, and doesn't get hot.
you should keep in mind that every price in € always include taxes , the blade it's 2000$ before taxes... Anyway that i7 11370h it's garbage compared to the AMD 6900hx in the blade...
Not every price includes always taxes. B2B websites generally are without taxes (can be a bit confusing if you as a private person stumble across such a site and suddenly everything is so cheap)
Yup, that laptop doesn't make sense, for the same or less money you can get a flow x13 or z13, The 11370h was already outdated when it came out (look at the dash f15, horrible performances even with a 3070)
The fact that you have an option to remove the logo on the laptop is pretty impressive! Though the other stuff like the speakers and the screen wobble is a bit of a let down.
They changed their name to Bestware probably because of a trademark/copyright dispute between DB Schenker(150 year old logistics company) and their own name. Anyone who follows the link in the description please be aware of this.
The chassis is either Tongfang or Clevo, can't remember. I have the same chassis on an XPG branded laptop (Xenia 14). It is surprisingly light and rigid, awesome port selection and great screen.
I think the PcSpecialist 14" FUSION STUDIO is the same barebone and if you configure it like in the video you can get it for $1750 with taxes included, so I think that's a much better deal!
I know what you mean but as you describe it, would technically be incorrect. If you take 19% off the price then you're calculating 19% of the final price, while it should be 19% of the original price (without included taxes). The correct way would be to devide the price by 1,19. So €1942.01/1.19=€1631,94. If you take 19% off from the final price it would end up as €1942-(1942*0,19)=€1573,03.
Europe usually adds tax before checkout, much like the UK. Also for some reason the configuration gives me 1990.02 not what you got. If I change it to to 64 gigs of ram it gives me about the same amount. Pre-tax is pretty reasonable at 1672.28 when using the 1990.02 price point (all prices are in euros.). When converted, this comes to about $1800.
2880x1800 is an excellent screen for a small laptop with a 3050 Ti. You can play at 1440x900 with zero blurring from resolution scaling and get great performance and still decent resolution (for the screen size).
i’ve been using a razer blade stealth early 2019 for over 2 years and beside feeling like i’m carrying a time bomb this form factor and aesthetic has always hit for me even after all this time. might have to look into this for sure
To my amateur eye this looks exactly like TUXEDO InfinityBook Pro 14, down to the exact same price for logo removal :D So Linux should work without any issues on this laptop, Tuxedo one also ships with nice GUI tool for power/fan management and switching the Intel/Nvidia graphics on their own TuxedoOS (or Ubuntu).
I'm running the Pulse 15 now, and it's the same thing as the schneker VIA 15. I thiiiink TUXEDO may be a subsidiary of Scheneker that gets independence to market itself separately? Either way, both companies make great laptops, especially for Linux usage.
@@courcelle12 Thing is, dear Preston, they don't make laptops, they just assemble Clevo barebones by putting SSDs, NVME's, RAM and sometimes GPUs in them. That's all. Same as countless other such outfits all over Europe, the UK and America. I can't say in how far Schenker and TUXEDO are related, I always thought they were rivals.
for "ease ofupgradeability" sake. i think, having usb c powerinput as an option is fine but having barrel connector is easier. most usb c charging is directly soldered onto the motherboard. while barrel connectors are usually pluged into the motherboard or is part of a daughterboard which makes it much easier and cheaper to replace. tho this one seems to be soldered to the board which is a pain in the butt
10:35 The indicated price includes tax, which is typically around 20%. So usually a €1250 price tag in Europe would be about a $1250US in the United States. As price tags in North America don't include tax. Also the shipping of the laptop is free inside the EU.
Yeah as everyone else here says: The price includes VAT (19% in Germany but that depends where you shop from). However based on what I could see here, my main problems with this machine are a) barrel plug charger for no reason (can it charge over USB-C/Thunderbolt?) and b) wobble like crazy screen. Some other nice-to-haves would be a touch screen and/or a finger-print sensor (not really a fan of Windows Hello Face because you can essentially just show it a picture of someone and it will unlock).
Does anyone other than content creators use SD cards in their day to day life? I have had an SD card reader in my laptops for the last 6 years and used it like 5 times.
Am I the only one that thought he meant shaving products in the title? Even though this is a tech channel, I honestly thought I going to be recommended toiletries. Lmao 💀
bro im from Germany and you included the 19% Mehrwertsteuer. You need to take 19% MwSt from the Final Price. If you Subtract the 19 percent you end up by 1573,02€ which makes 1.716,79USD
@@ImRealizee Nein. Nettopreis + 19% ergibt den Preis, den du im Shop siehst. Das ist etwas anderes als vom Endpreis 19% abzuziehen. In dem Fall ~60€ Unterschied.
@@ImRealizee Wenn man es richtig macht gibt es keinen. Du hast aber beim zurückrechnen 19% des Bruttopreises abgezogen (1942*0,81), nicht 19% des Nettopreises (1942/1,19).
Don't forget prices in EUR are including +/- 21% sales tax, which is often not listed in the US. 2000 EUR is 1652.89 without tax, which is 1,804.57 USD. To give an example.
Do remember, XMG doesn't ship to North America, so if you live there you'll have to jump through additional hoops with third party shipping companies, which will add to the cost (and risk).
Welcome to EU prices. The VAT alone makes all pc hardware ridiculous in terms of pricing compared to the US. Not to mention the conversion from US to EURO starting price which is also stupid as most of the times something costing 1000 dollars on the US site is also listed as 1000 Euro on the EU site exchange rate be damned.
In the same universe where we have the flow x13, the Zephyrus G15, Microsoft surface studio, the actual razer laptop i don't think this can compete effectively
I bought a Schenker laptop in 2017 with a 1050ti. It had major overheating issues and was unusable at times since it overheated from just starting up. Didn't overclock it or anything. Now I'm making my parents suffer with the issues and got myself a desktop PC since I got a laptop from my workplace lol
This laptop is really interesting for content creators, especially with the more powerful cpu. If you don‘t even want to game on it and you pack 32/64GB of RAM in there, it shines against the competition, where that is not possible to get or upgrade. I wouldn‘t have thought it would be seen as a gaming machine but it‘s nice it can game too.
I’m sure someone commented that already but European prices tend to be higher than their USD equivalency. Goods are often more expensive and sales tax is included, which I understand isn’t the case in the US and maybe Canada?
I was so close to buying the Tuxedo Linux version of this. But I was getting impatient waiting for the ANSI keyboard version and pulled the trigger on the Framework. I don't regret it because I like the extra tall screen and I have high hopes for future upgrades.
Alex keeps hating on barrel plugs. Type C power is not a sturdy connector. It breaks. When your laptop's power connection breaks, it's really bad. Barrel plugs should always be included as an option for charging a laptop.
Visual tearing is happening because screen is connected to iGPU and when you're gaming on rtx 3050 you get tearing. You must run vsync on laptops that run their screens through igpus.
Not correct. You can use Adaptive Sync through Windows and Intel's Graphics Command Center. The dGPU will deliver full frames to the iGPU, which will then drive the LCD refresh rate with Adaptive Sync. // Tom
They are forgetting that rezar aren't at the same price in Europe and America (everything is at a different prices). You can't compare by just check the currency ! And what about the taxes ?
they just came out with a new Schenker VIA 14 Pro UltraBook with AMD Ryzen 7 7840HS!! any chance you guys do a review on this new model? there aren't a lot of 'decent' options for a mobile work station sporting this level of power at this price point, would be interesting to see how it would do against the rest of the field (lenovo P workstations etc.)
The barrel charging connector is more reliable than type-c plugs. Honestly, I've seen too many type-c only charging ports with the middle part broken rendering the port useless ... as much as people love type-c connectors, they're really not all that reliable in the long run.
if this was in the budget category I would be fine with the downfalls of this, but this should be around 1000$, even if they instead used a cheaper amd 5000 series laptop chip. still haven't found a better price to performance than my HP Pavilion Gaming(4600H 6 core 12 thread) with a gtx 1650 I got for 450$
3 mins into the video and I couldn't ignore the MASSIVE screen wobble. Came down to the comments to check if anyone else found it annoying and was pleasantly surprised that the manufacturer left a comment acknowledging the problem albeit making excuses for it.
Anyone with a Motile or any other Tong Fang 14" - 15" immediately recognizes this design. Would love to see someone board swap a purple 15.6" Gateway with something like this as a kind of modern sleeper. Why? Because they can damnit
I remember these laptops... I bought one in 2012 or so. They were nice custom laptops at the time - but now I'd go with a Framework IMO. Different era.
I am curious though, the price on the website includes VAT of 20%, but if you are living in the US, wouldn't you be able to get that deducted from the price and then have to pay import tax (or Sales Tax) when when it arrives in the US? If that is the case you should be able to knock over €400 off the price listed.
Just about. Tax in Germany is 19% so €1942/1.19=€1631.93 so that's €310 less. But you'll also have to pay for shipping (shipping was only free within the EU), import taxes and/or sales taxes. You'll also have to pay for exchanging dollars to euro's with your bank, credit card agency or PayPal. Maybe you'll also have to pay a fee to the postal service for the customs declaration but that may not be a thing in the US.
Schenker, parent company of XMG.....which is probably one of the best gaming laptop makers out there. I got an xmg neo 17, it's fantastic. A colleague got a schenker few years ago, still going strong but like 1070 in it so it's kinda lacking these days 😁 Wouldn't recommend it for anything other than gaming though 😅
You also gotta remember that the german price has tax included, so it would be $2132 after tax, but the Razer Blade is $1999 before tax. The Blade still has competitive specs to the german machine though.
This looks pretty awesome, IF parts availability is decent. Matte 16:10, light, enough ports, decent-ish sized battery (hopefully actually good battery life)...
Finally, a slim laptop with a full size SD card reader. I'm guessing this was designed before 100 watt USB charging was on the market. Looking at their VIA, that's a Clevo design. As others have said. EU websites include tax, US website don't. I would NOT wait till 12th gen, since that requires Windows 11....
Yeah, I don't know how you can compare value without pointing out that for a lot of people, that upgradeability will mean getting probably 20-40% more out of it, whether you keep it longer or resell it. It goes to 64gb by the way!
From a corporate support point of view, I'd have a barrel plug for charging every time. USB C is far too delicate, and normally built onto the motherboard, instead of on an easily swappable expansion board.
USB C is fine for techs, but for the ham fisted users it is dreadful. In the last 10 years, I have seen maybe 5 barrel plugs/ports broken in corporate laptops, whereas we are getting on average 3 USB C ports broken a month.
I think it makes a lot more sense to compare this to the Razor Blade Stealth than to the 14 inch razor Also maybe I'm wrong about this but I think you can still charge over USB-C , so the barrel plug just gives you the option of using both USB-C ports for other things while you are charging.
Important Note: For pricing the Vision 14 included 19% VAT because it was being sold in Germany, as well as a higher price than the US due to longer warranty requirements. This makes the pricing much better compared to the Blade 14
Was gonna say compare the price to a razer blade in euros it's like 2200, when comparing pc parts from eur to gbp to usd it's often not far off a 1 to 1 exchange rate
I'm glad you guys caught up on this. It's a very typical error in price comparisons in UA-cam video's.
Tbh, that's quite sloppy not to prepare that for the video. I get that short circuit is rapid fire reviews but c'mon... You have a big reach. Do your minimum homework
You also need to consider pricing for stuff in Europe is higher in general, so you can't compare it to the US prices anyway. Especially since this company seems to have a good support system that works better in Europe too. Local producer
@@antronk yeah I think that's why they posted the comment you doofus.
Hi everyone, we would like to comment on the screen wobble in this video: VISION 14 is a 1kg laptop with very narrow screen bezels. As bezels get more narrow, so does the amount of space we can use to attach (with screws) hinges to the screen assembly. This causes laptops all across the industry to get slightly more wobbly recently. The hinges in VISION 14 are relatively light and offer a torque resistance of only 2.5kg - this allows the laptop to be opened with one hand. It also makes the laptop feel nice and effortless to work with and it fits the overall ultra-low-weight design.
In the months after the beginning of mass production, we have worked with our ODM in Taiwan to increase the hinge torque to 3.3kg (losing one-hand opening), but this eliminated wobble only to a small extent, because wobble is a combination of hinge assembly space and the inherent flexibility of the ultra-light, thin chassis material.
What you see here in the video seems to be strongly exaggerated by the fact that the *table itself* in the video is wobbling. You can see this in many of the overhead shots with the pattern of the mousepad wobbling up and down on the screen. This seems to be a bad case of the table's own wobble frequency being in resonance with the laptop's wobble frequency, making the wobble more pronounced and lasting much longer than it should. Such harmonic frequencies can amplify each other. The wobbly table, having much more mass than the laptop, will increase the amplitude of the screen wobble and make it hard to stop. It happens in music, but it also happens in mechanics.
In reality, you will *not see such wobble* when:
• Putting the laptop on a hard surface that does not wobble itself
• Putting the laptop on any soft surface (such as your lap), because a soft surface would immediately dampen any wobble
• Putting the laptop on a sleeve would also work as a dampener
You can find a number of other reviews of VISION 14 and TUXEDO InfinityBook Pro 14 Gen6 on UA-cam where the laptop was tested on hard, wobble-free surfaces and the screen wobble was not that bad in those review. Also, we haven't gotten much negative feedback from end-users about this issue because it is very easy to deal with by just using an appropriate working surface.
If you have any other questions about VISION 14, please reply to this comment directly. Thank you for your feedback! // Tom
Hey thanks for being here to answer questions.
Can you charge the laptop from both USB-C ports? If so how much power will the accept?
I have an Envy 14 that, like the Vision, has a barrel plug and USB-C, and I can use either one to charge fast enough to run games without discharging the battery (assuming I am using at least something like a 70 watt USB-C charger, 60 watts is a little too low. 100 is plenty).
@@AdaDenali VISION 14 can be charged from both USB-C ports (left and right) when powered on, but only from the right port when powered off. It will allow almost 90W and thus give almost the same performance as the barrel plug. We have posted benchmark comparisons between barrel plug and USB-C power in the Reddit thread "[Launch] SCHENKER VISION 14 with i7-11370H and RTX 3050 Ti" - you can find it with the search engine of your choice. // Tom
@@xmg_gg thanks Tom, that’s awesome. I’ve wanted double sided USB-C charging on my laptop for a long time, but haven’t wanted to give up USB-A ports like with a XPS or Macbook. This laptop is definitely going on a list.
I noticed this review unit is last generation. Does XMG or any other global OEM sell Intel 12th Gen model of the VISION 14 chassis?
@@blue4059 12th Gen is in the pipeline for VISION 14. Expected to be launched in early Q2, but some delays are still possible due to some power IC shortages. // Tom
Prices on german sites are usually VAT included, not sure if you calculated that in when comparing to the Razer laptop on the US website.
The price of the Schenker is in VAT and the Blade one wasn't, so they clearly didn't think of that when comparing the prices.
ya, Alex's config without VAT should be around 1,780 USD.
yes and we have wopping 19% !
seriously. Incredibly sloppy research done in this video.
yeah actually I have been to New York when I was 13 (now I'm 26) and I remember for a fact that prices in stores don't include VAT which is SOOOO FUUCKING STUPID! like what the hell? just include VAT like MOST OF THE WORLD DOES! (well mainly Europe anyway)
The razer blade starts at ~2.200€ in EU.
Also $2.123 US is with tax :)
Ye, the Razer Blade price they showed didn't include VAT, whilst the Schenker did.
So it isn't exactly a fair price comparison.
That’s right. Please pin this comment!!!!
Yeeeah......I'm sticking with the 16GB SKU of the Zeyphrus G14 6800S for $1850 at Best Buy.
@@CarthagoMike yeah sadly that's something we're not use to in NA.. tax is always added later so most people don't catch that when looking at euro prices.
Is it? I'm not sure exactly how ordering something from a country with a VAT tax to a country with a sales tax model works, even if the VAT is removed when shipping to another country there are also import taxes to be concerned with which at least in the US vary based on the type of product and could make that 19% VAT back. Then if you factor in sales taxes like they didn't do here that could mean an increased 10.3% or 0% depending on where exactly you live...
Like shipping taxes are highly variable depending on where you are and you can really only go by the list price on the website, though it would have been more fair for a German to German site comparison.
You should compare the Razer Blade's price in Germany to it, as electronics tend to be far more expensive in Europe in general.
They probably don't know that these prices include VAT smh.
At least in this case, the price isn't far more expensive in Europe. In Germany the price for the Blade 14 is 2016 USD before VAT compared to 2000 USD before Tax in the states. The problem is Alex didn't account for the fact Europe includes VAT in the advertised prices, so his conversion of the Vision 14 price was flawed. Really his config is about 1780 USD.
@@brandonchutt312 High VAT, longer mandatory warranties, etc.
Made in Europe electronics yes, not Chinese ones, plus VAT is included in all European prices.
Not far more, about 20% due to VAT...
The price on the laptop includes VAT, and I'm not sure the Razer comparison does - as a note, without (German 19%) VAT it's around 1631€ , which is 1780 USD
I don't entirely agree with the price comparison here.
The Schenker had VAT included in the Euro price, the Razer Blade one (on their website) did not in their Dollar price.
You expect that smart, technology oriented person, often ordering online and providing tech news from all over the world would know pricing basics at least. It's your bad. P.S. Blame me in also... I like their shows and watch them despite the fact that many opinions and facts are (purposely or not)"twisted". In that case I would at least expect simplification like 1:1 euro conversion and 20% VAT deduction as this is close to average tax in EU.
@@smartlifesystems cool story bro
@@smartlifesystems honestly I'm just about done with LTT and the rest of the channels. They slag some products and praise others on some criteria for the exact same thing (IOs). Recommending oled and then admitting it's not working, then going back to recommending it. Really loses any credibility when they bang their chest on being objective
@@smartlifesystems It's not unheard of to forget about included VAT, even among LMG they virtually never buy overseas products. It's not even possible to get this laptop shipped to the United States. And they mentioned and pinned in comment. Really, the person you should be blaming is UA-cam for removing Annotations. This was never a problem for the first decade of YT videos, they would just have annotations for all their fixes.
You can't really compare European to US prices directly like that. The Blade 14 in Germany costs 2200 EUR... that's 2400 in USD.
Did you consider that all prices in EU include VAT (about 20%, depending on the country)? So the final price without VAT would be about 1700$
19% on laptops in Germany.
Still the American pricing is excluding VAT
@@scottsmith2173 it was in euros, the website counted VAT for sure
@@Esablaka you are the UberGerman
@@CMDRunematti it even states right below the price "incl. tax and excl. shipping"
Since you gave Euro prices those include a 19% Vat which is usually missing in US pricing so there’s that.
Ye, the Blade was excluding VAT, so in the end the pricing is likely similar.
You can turn on "fast sync" in the nvidia driver panel, that removes tearing while not having any of the disadvantages of v-sync.
btw, Schenker (XMG) laptops have been around for many years and it has always been a very good bang for buck. And as said here, prices in EU are with tax, so it would be better to compare it to Razer prices in EU as well.
I've heard of XMG but not schenker. It's just a rebranded empty shell from china, right?
@@Darkest_matter XMG and SCHENKER are both brands of Schenker Technologies GmbH, a German company that is now entering its 20th year in business. We do more than just rebranding. We have a permanent office in Taiwan and work closely with our ODM partners to make these premium chassis a reality. // Tom
@@xmg_gg I see. I thought it was just a case of like what some clothing brands du with Gildan hoodies. Send over some custom designs for an existing chasis and print your logo on the lid and bios screen
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Well when looking at the price you have to account for the fact that electronics are cheaper in the US when you compare it you usually pay 150-200€ more in Europe when you translate both prices into the same currency
also the Schenker had VAT included, the Razer Blade did not, so the price comparison is off.
@@CarthagoMike Yeah that's 19% VAT that was included in the Schenker price.
regarding prices you did one overlook: in the webshop of the laptop being reviewed, taxes are included. if you convert to us, you have to take into account, there's no tax applied to the prices shown in us dolans. that 2k razer laptop still has local state tax to it, making it more like a 2200 usd laptop, not a 2k one. either include or exclude tax on both. not tax naming for just one, but not the other ;)
@Sam Wallace nope, i'm dutch. neighbouring to germany :P
For the pricing you need to consider that in the US, prices are usually without tax. In Europe usually prices are with tax included. Accounting for that, the Schenker might be cheaper than the Razer.
that screen bouncing around the whole time would drive me completely nuts. there's your deal breaker right there (before we even consider acoustics, heat generation, bad audio, etc)
Very nice to see some companies actually taking reparability seriously now, even in an ultrabook form factor. I like to think it's because of Framework basically calling out Apple's bull about modularity always equaling Panasonic Toughbook levels of chunky. this is good. let's hope this trend continues.
I absolutely _love_ the inclusion of the repairabilty segment in the latest review videos! Very good job, solid assesment and important information!
Razer blade is cheaper, but do you want something that will fail just when the warranty expires?
It's not even cheaper, it's around 10% more expensive - Alex forgot that EU stores have to include VAT in their displayed pricing, so he compared oranges to apples
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and he is comparing EU price which includes ~20% VAT with US razer website where the tax is not included. But nevertheless, XMG greatly increased the prices and is not worth it at all
The blade is more expensive actually, once you include taxes.
The Schenker includes taxes in the Euro price, the Blade did not in the dollar price.
cheaper, untill you include taxes on the razer laptop, then it's more in the same ballpark for performance. a oversight by ltt (the german laptop price includes tax, the razxer one shown does not)
I dont know if the Blade has Taxes included like the Schenker one does
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It did not.
It hasn't, so the comparison is kinda off.
The wobble is a complete non starter with a laptop at that price.
I loved the "activate windows" watermark during the sponsor segment
I'm using one from a local PC boutique called Aftershock. Its a Tongfang chassis, can't quite recall what it's model number is but it's fantastic for something that's really light and sleek. Best part is that its silent for regular day to day use, and doesn't get hot.
you should keep in mind that every price in € always include taxes , the blade it's 2000$ before taxes...
Anyway that i7 11370h it's garbage compared to the AMD 6900hx in the blade...
That blade is also 2200€ in Germany. So even more expensive.
Not every price includes always taxes.
B2B websites generally are without taxes (can be a bit confusing if you as a private person stumble across such a site and suddenly everything is so cheap)
Yup, that laptop doesn't make sense, for the same or less money you can get a flow x13 or z13,
The 11370h was already outdated when it came out (look at the dash f15, horrible performances even with a 3070)
The second he said Intel, my first thought was "ew." I just need more power efficiency from my laptops.
The "Activate Windows" over the Corsair sponsor spot at the beginning of the video xD
The fact that you have an option to remove the logo on the laptop is pretty impressive! Though the other stuff like the speakers and the screen wobble is a bit of a let down.
I like how the screen shaking throughout the whole video. Making it's own point. I guess action speaks louder than words.
It's a tongfang chassis. The same laptop sold by tongfang themselves as Mechrevo F1 is a little less than $1000 for i5 + 3050 config.
those horizontal bars make it feel like i'm watching a movie trailer
They changed their name to Bestware probably because of a trademark/copyright dispute between DB Schenker(150 year old logistics company) and their own name. Anyone who follows the link in the description please be aware of this.
that´s just not true, the Imprint on their website says 'Schenker Technologies GmbH'
Bestware is just the name of their webshop.
The chassis is either Tongfang or Clevo, can't remember. I have the same chassis on an XPG branded laptop (Xenia 14). It is surprisingly light and rigid, awesome port selection and great screen.
Its a tongfang, I'm using one myself from a local PC boutique.
I think the PcSpecialist 14" FUSION STUDIO is the same barebone and if you configure it like in the video you can get it for $1750 with taxes included, so I think that's a much better deal!
German prices (schenker is a german company) is always including VAT, you can take 19% off the price to get rid of the tax
I know what you mean but as you describe it, would technically be incorrect. If you take 19% off the price then you're calculating 19% of the final price, while it should be 19% of the original price (without included taxes). The correct way would be to devide the price by 1,19. So €1942.01/1.19=€1631,94. If you take 19% off from the final price it would end up as €1942-(1942*0,19)=€1573,03.
Europe usually adds tax before checkout, much like the UK. Also for some reason the configuration gives me 1990.02 not what you got. If I change it to to 64 gigs of ram it gives me about the same amount. Pre-tax is pretty reasonable at 1672.28 when using the 1990.02 price point (all prices are in euros.). When converted, this comes to about $1800.
2880x1800 is an excellent screen for a small laptop with a 3050 Ti. You can play at 1440x900 with zero blurring from resolution scaling and get great performance and still decent resolution (for the screen size).
i’ve been using a razer blade stealth early 2019 for over 2 years and beside feeling like i’m carrying a time bomb this form factor and aesthetic has always hit for me even after all this time. might have to look into this for sure
When I hear Schenker I think logistics.
To my amateur eye this looks exactly like TUXEDO InfinityBook Pro 14, down to the exact same price for logo removal :D So Linux should work without any issues on this laptop, Tuxedo one also ships with nice GUI tool for power/fan management and switching the Intel/Nvidia graphics on their own TuxedoOS (or Ubuntu).
They both be Clevo barebones.
I'm running the Pulse 15 now, and it's the same thing as the schneker VIA 15. I thiiiink TUXEDO may be a subsidiary of Scheneker that gets independence to market itself separately? Either way, both companies make great laptops, especially for Linux usage.
@@courcelle12 Thing is, dear Preston, they don't make laptops, they just assemble Clevo barebones by putting SSDs, NVME's, RAM and sometimes GPUs in them. That's all. Same as countless other such outfits all over Europe, the UK and America. I can't say in how far Schenker and TUXEDO are related, I always thought they were rivals.
@@orcaflotta7867 it's not clevo, it's tongfang. Same business model though.
for "ease ofupgradeability" sake. i think, having usb c powerinput as an option is fine but having barrel connector is easier. most usb c charging is directly soldered onto the motherboard. while barrel connectors are usually pluged into the motherboard or is part of a daughterboard which makes it much easier and cheaper to replace. tho this one seems to be soldered to the board which is a pain in the butt
You forgot to include the VAT in the Price of the razer blade and dell xps . All prices on German sites have VAT (19% of the product) included.
10:35 The indicated price includes tax, which is typically around 20%. So usually a €1250 price tag in Europe would be about a $1250US in the United States. As price tags in North America don't include tax. Also the shipping of the laptop is free inside the EU.
Looks more like a Surface Laptop with dedicated GPU IMO. Better off going with the ROG Zephyrus M16 with RTX 3060 for a few hundred less.
Yeah as everyone else here says: The price includes VAT (19% in Germany but that depends where you shop from). However based on what I could see here, my main problems with this machine are a) barrel plug charger for no reason (can it charge over USB-C/Thunderbolt?) and b) wobble like crazy screen. Some other nice-to-haves would be a touch screen and/or a finger-print sensor (not really a fan of Windows Hello Face because you can essentially just show it a picture of someone and it will unlock).
You can charge it from usb c
Love that you're covering the awesome Schenker Notebooks now! Finally a proper channel taking a look at them 😍😍
Does anyone other than content creators use SD cards in their day to day life?
I have had an SD card reader in my laptops for the last 6 years and used it like 5 times.
Am I the only one that thought he meant shaving products in the title? Even though this is a tech channel, I honestly thought I going to be recommended toiletries. Lmao 💀
Don't forget that VAT is typically included in price in Europe
bro im from Germany and you included the 19% Mehrwertsteuer. You need to take 19% MwSt from the Final Price. If you Subtract the 19 percent you end up by 1573,02€ which makes 1.716,79USD
Subtracting 19% from the shop price gives you a wrong number, VAT is calculated off of the net price.
@@patrickj was erzählst du digga du ziehst 19 prozent ab von dem preis der da rechts stand mehr ist es nicht
@@ImRealizee Nein. Nettopreis + 19% ergibt den Preis, den du im Shop siehst. Das ist etwas anderes als vom Endpreis 19% abzuziehen. In dem Fall ~60€ Unterschied.
@@patrickj bro wo ist der unterschied ob ich nettopreis + 19 rechne oder das dann zurück rechne vom brutto preis zu netto?
@@ImRealizee Wenn man es richtig macht gibt es keinen. Du hast aber beim zurückrechnen 19% des Bruttopreises abgezogen (1942*0,81), nicht 19% des Nettopreises (1942/1,19).
Don't forget prices in EUR are including +/- 21% sales tax, which is often not listed in the US.
2000 EUR is 1652.89 without tax, which is 1,804.57 USD. To give an example.
Wow. That was definitely an animation on the weight numbers. A very strong animation. Wow
That screen wobble caught my eye as soon as you pulled it out the box
I love the appearance of the "activate windows" logo during the ad, made me laugh
Do remember, XMG doesn't ship to North America, so if you live there you'll have to jump through additional hoops with third party shipping companies, which will add to the cost (and risk).
Nice one, this time you got me with the segue to sponsor, I was like what else is awesome.
Paying more for a laptop with high repairability is an unfortunately common upcost. Probably still worth it, though.
Welcome to EU prices. The VAT alone makes all pc hardware ridiculous in terms of pricing compared to the US. Not to mention the conversion from US to EURO starting price which is also stupid as most of the times something costing 1000 dollars on the US site is also listed as 1000 Euro on the EU site exchange rate be damned.
And lets not forget that the Razer Blade they showed didn't include VAT, so it is more expensive at check-out.
That S logo looks exactly like Skechers. I almost thought Skechers has started making laptops 😂😂
Visually speaking, it looks like the Tuxedo Infinitybook Pro 14 Gen6, the laptop I have: The chassis, the keyboard layout, display, trackpad...
It's the same Clevo barebone.
In the same universe where we have the flow x13, the Zephyrus G15, Microsoft surface studio, the actual razer laptop i don't think this can compete effectively
I bought a Schenker laptop in 2017 with a 1050ti. It had major overheating issues and was unusable at times since it overheated from just starting up. Didn't overclock it or anything. Now I'm making my parents suffer with the issues and got myself a desktop PC since I got a laptop from my workplace lol
I've just realised the sponsor segment has the "Activate Windows" in the bottom right. Like an easter egg!
Camera is about on par with that Anker cam you spoke so highly of. (And i love Anker, but they missed the ball)
These 14 inch laptops are perfect for work-play balance, hoping you guys can cover the Alienware X14!
This laptop is really interesting for content creators, especially with the more powerful cpu. If you don‘t even want to game on it and you pack 32/64GB of RAM in there, it shines against the competition, where that is not possible to get or upgrade. I wouldn‘t have thought it would be seen as a gaming machine but it‘s nice it can game too.
I’m sure someone commented that already but European prices tend to be higher than their USD equivalency. Goods are often more expensive and sales tax is included, which I understand isn’t the case in the US and maybe Canada?
Amazing. Ram that isn't soldered to the motherboard.
Upgradable RAM in a thin body is quite impressive these days.
You forgot the main PRO on Schenker: Their godlike support!
Alex: looks at laptop
Laptop screen: wobble wobble wobble ....
I was so close to buying the Tuxedo Linux version of this. But I was getting impatient waiting for the ANSI keyboard version and pulled the trigger on the Framework. I don't regret it because I like the extra tall screen and I have high hopes for future upgrades.
I am not sure about the prices, but the price in Euro is including taxes. Is it the same for the Blade?
Nope, the Blade one did not include taxes.
Alex keeps hating on barrel plugs. Type C power is not a sturdy connector. It breaks. When your laptop's power connection breaks, it's really bad. Barrel plugs should always be included as an option for charging a laptop.
Dark joke: "It's like a Razer blade, but almost BETTER!"
Me- "so.. a gun?"
I dont condone any type of self-harm, jokes are harmless.
Visual tearing is happening because screen is connected to iGPU and when you're gaming on rtx 3050 you get tearing. You must run vsync on laptops that run their screens through igpus.
Not correct. You can use Adaptive Sync through Windows and Intel's Graphics Command Center. The dGPU will deliver full frames to the iGPU, which will then drive the LCD refresh rate with Adaptive Sync. // Tom
Is a 12th version already confirmed?
It's in the works, but it might come later than you'd hope. // Tom
They are forgetting that rezar aren't at the same price in Europe and America (everything is at a different prices).
You can't compare by just check the currency !
And what about the taxes ?
I always love the homey feel of the short circuit set
they just came out with a new Schenker VIA 14 Pro UltraBook with AMD Ryzen 7 7840HS!! any chance you guys do a review on this new model? there aren't a lot of 'decent' options for a mobile work station sporting this level of power at this price point, would be interesting to see how it would do against the rest of the field (lenovo P workstations etc.)
Typo on the chapter markers @3:47. Should read small thin and powerful I assume.
AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO NOTICED THE ACTIVATE WINDOWS WATERMARK ON THE CORSAIR PROMO..?????? 😂
The barrel charging connector is more reliable than type-c plugs. Honestly, I've seen too many type-c only charging ports with the middle part broken rendering the port useless ... as much as people love type-c connectors, they're really not all that reliable in the long run.
if this was in the budget category I would be fine with the downfalls of this, but this should be around 1000$, even if they instead used a cheaper amd 5000 series laptop chip. still haven't found a better price to performance than my HP Pavilion Gaming(4600H 6 core 12 thread) with a gtx 1650 I got for 450$
Only 450$?!?
@@Quark_Proto yea man got it from bestbuy, 2 black Fridays ago
@@GoPotato69 2 black Fridays ago 💀
@@hydra4370 americans and their fucking measurements
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the screen wobble is DEFINITELY a deal breaker oh my GAWD
3 mins into the video and I couldn't ignore the MASSIVE screen wobble. Came down to the comments to check if anyone else found it annoying and was pleasantly surprised that the manufacturer left a comment acknowledging the problem albeit making excuses for it.
Anyone with a Motile or any other Tong Fang 14" - 15" immediately recognizes this design. Would love to see someone board swap a purple 15.6" Gateway with something like this as a kind of modern sleeper. Why? Because they can damnit
I remember these laptops... I bought one in 2012 or so. They were nice custom laptops at the time - but now I'd go with a Framework IMO. Different era.
I am curious though, the price on the website includes VAT of 20%, but if you are living in the US, wouldn't you be able to get that deducted from the price and then have to pay import tax (or Sales Tax) when when it arrives in the US? If that is the case you should be able to knock over €400 off the price listed.
Just about. Tax in Germany is 19% so €1942/1.19=€1631.93 so that's €310 less. But you'll also have to pay for shipping (shipping was only free within the EU), import taxes and/or sales taxes. You'll also have to pay for exchanging dollars to euro's with your bank, credit card agency or PayPal. Maybe you'll also have to pay a fee to the postal service for the customs declaration but that may not be a thing in the US.
Schenker, parent company of XMG.....which is probably one of the best gaming laptop makers out there. I got an xmg neo 17, it's fantastic. A colleague got a schenker few years ago, still going strong but like 1070 in it so it's kinda lacking these days 😁
Wouldn't recommend it for anything other than gaming though 😅
4:40 Yeah, I can. It doesn't look over saturated.
You also gotta remember that the german price has tax included, so it would be $2132 after tax, but the Razer Blade is $1999 before tax. The Blade still has competitive specs to the german machine though.
This looks pretty awesome, IF parts availability is decent. Matte 16:10, light, enough ports, decent-ish sized battery (hopefully actually good battery life)...
5h
The upgradability is awesome. My Asus G14 is thicker, lighter and it has only 1 RAM slot and 1 SSD slot.
Finally, a slim laptop with a full size SD card reader.
I'm guessing this was designed before 100 watt USB charging was on the market.
Looking at their VIA, that's a Clevo design.
As others have said. EU websites include tax, US website don't.
I would NOT wait till 12th gen, since that requires Windows 11....
@@superkoopatrooper4879 They're Clevo designs. So it wouldn't surprise me if the chassis design is a few years old.
100w USB has been an option for like 6 years
lmao, as already mentioned, 100 watt USB-C charging is aorund for years
We're at 200 watt charging over USB-C now
The screen wobble is quite noticeable during the demo
The Blade 14 has SOLDERED ON RAM, whereas the Schenker has replaceable/upgradable RAM.
Yeah, I don't know how you can compare value without pointing out that for a lot of people, that upgradeability will mean getting probably 20-40% more out of it, whether you keep it longer or resell it. It goes to 64gb by the way!
Comparing this to the razer 14" was pretty fair, but I really wanted to see the current generation Asus g14 also thrown into the mix.
From a corporate support point of view, I'd have a barrel plug for charging every time. USB C is far too delicate, and normally built onto the motherboard, instead of on an easily swappable expansion board.
From a corporate use point of view, I’d refuse to use a laptop without usbC charging in 2022. It’s not delicate at all.
@@dr.benjaminbird7631 yes It is I work in it and we’ve had way more complaints about c with the newer laptops we put out with usb c
@@dr.benjaminbird7631 You can of course charge it over USB-C. It's just, that the charger included is not a USB-C one
@@dr.benjaminbird7631 VISION 14 supports USB-C charging on both USB-C ports, left and right. // Tom
USB C is fine for techs, but for the ham fisted users it is dreadful. In the last 10 years, I have seen maybe 5 barrel plugs/ports broken in corporate laptops, whereas we are getting on average 3 USB C ports broken a month.
Have you guys noticed that there was active windows on bottom right corner when sponser showed up
Gotta love alex, "this thing is awesome, lets take it appart.." the once he opened it already he asks how much it's worth. Don't change dude lol.
You should compare the price for XPS and Razer in Euro witch are at least +20% above the prices in USA.
I think it makes a lot more sense to compare this to the Razor Blade Stealth than to the 14 inch razor
Also maybe I'm wrong about this but I think you can still charge over USB-C , so the barrel plug just gives you the option of using both USB-C ports for other things while you are charging.
XMG confirms you can charge over USB-C
1:51 "Activate Windows"
lol