New Features for ELITE Direto XR & Suito Smart Trainers and Massive Price Drops!
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- ELITE have released new firmware for their Direto XR and Suito Smart Trainers that introduce a number of features previously only seen on their flagship Justo smart trainer. They've also announced significant price reductions of both the Direto XR-T and Suito-T. This video covers all the details and provides a hands-on look at the update process and performance.
Link:
Elite Newsroom - New features for your Direto XR and Suito trainers: bit.ly/3Z5DPfa
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Video Index:
0:00 Intro
0:34 ERG Easy Start
1:05 HR & Cadence Bridge
1:52 Swift Super Tuck
2:20 Improved ERG Performance (Direto XR)
2:58 Power Smoothing (Direto XR)
3:29 Firmware Upgrade Process
3:55 Configuration
5:08 Zwift Pairing
5:35 Zwift ERG Testing
6:38 Data Analysis/Review
8:41 Price Reductions
9:20 Wrap-Up
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Yes, yes, yes! The Bluetooth bridge was the only reason I was considering the quite a bit more expensive Justo instead of the Direto XR-T and the only reason I wasn't sure whether to buy an Apple TV. I wasn't awaiting this to change, but this makes me super happy! Thanks for sharing it!
🙌🤝
Great update. Thank you. Looks like it's a serious market contender
Well done, Elite ! I'm slowly getting mentally prepared for the Winter to come. 🙂In conjunction with Rouvy, the Winter can't be better.
PS: I think that's going to be my 4th Winter with my Direto XR ? Had a Drivo before.
Just ordered one for €519,99 still €80,- cheaper than the Zwift hub and €40,- cheaper than the Kickr Core.
Good value for money given the recent firmware updates!
The pricing has been needed for a while. The direto XR is more of a Core than Kickr competitor. Wahoo heavily discounting the v5 Kickr and also reducing the Core price atm. The trainer market is getting very aggressive Of course the Zwift hub has something to do with that as well.
Good on ya,shane!
Im gonna buy this for a friend in 2nd hand, my first Smart trainer, i hope to love them 😅
Just got a screaming deal on the Direto XR. Thanks for the update on features.
As a small update, the unit I received was missing the bag containing the thru axle adapters, casette spacers, and manual. Got a lot of run around from Amazon about resolving the issue. Contacted Elite directly and they promptly sent me the parts via DHL. Wish I hadn't had the issue but glad to see Elite stand behind their product.
I start my Suito in resistance mode rather than ERG as for some reason with the TR software ERG puts the brakes on hard just as the work out starts, probably to get you to the target ASAP but from 0rpm that can be a bit hurty. Hopefully this update will give you a bit more grace!
Nice this makes the trainer workable
I bought a suito T for 849 AUD last week. That feels about the same as the new pricing. Much relief about that!
These are most welcome for my XR. I mentioned the Supertuck issue to Elite 4 years ago and they said I need to contact Zwift 🙄
Just in time! I'm in the market for a new smart trainer!
On the Drivo 2 I had previously, ERG mode was unusable. With my Direto updated to firmware v80 it works really well. Not very good with big gear / low power scenarios though.
ERG mode for life, more erg in your life the better, for best life, i like the wahoo condensed erg mode Soup :)
Sir Salts! Good to see you mate. 👋🏼
Been using the Suito T and it creates a creaking sound when using it for around 20-30 minutes. Trouble shoot it with Elite and ended up making a warranty replacement. Now the replacement also developed the same problem. Will be switching to Wahoo this winter because I live in a condo building and don’t want any complaints from neighbours. 😓
I've had the same issue. No clear route to servicing them.
Same liked the Dr when it worked, it's gone wonky. Too bad
I had a Suito T elite and after only four rides it started making a knocking noise. Reached out to Suito and after some back and forth emails they finally said just return it back to whoever I purchased it from. Local bike shop said he couldn’t give me a return since all Elite was willing to do just replace the trainer. So I wound up with store credit instead. Bought a Zwift hub trainer which is awesome. Bottom line don’t purchase a Suito T.
I wonder if Wahoo do similar upgrades on the KickR Core. Been looking to upgrade my Gen1 Direto and the Direto XR is now tempting, particularly if the footprint is same as the Gen1 Direto which I built a rocker plate for.
Good to see better pricing in the smart trainer market
It's getting competitive.... which is a good thing for consumers.
It's crazy to think that only about two years ago, Zwift was clearing out stock of these trainers and selling them for $450 US. I sold my NEO and bought two Diretto XR's when that came around.
Hey gplama. Would you recommend this which I have found £499 in UK just now or zwift hub one?
The decision almost depends on who provides the best after-sales support in Australia. After being quite challenged by offshore suppliers when it comes to supporting malfunctioning or broken products, this is almost my first concern when buying cycling products now.
Ciao Shannon, Elite Australian distributor is Cassons.
amazing good news, the ERG drag and variations were a hassle.
Upgraded my Direto XRT couple of days ago. I ride on FulGaz and Rouvy. Immediately felt the ride was different and more unnatural, especially riding on flat, zero percent incline, where the feeling was like I'm driving on gravel. Uphills felt a bit more easier, maybe softer transition of the incline percentage. Two days later I started to develop ticking noise when riding. Maybe its just an unlucky coincidence, I don't know. But i had the first one replaced in May because of the same issue. Its not as loud and frequent as before, but I'm sure it will get there. I think I'm done with Elite. I'm even considering getting the Kicker Bike Shift just not to deal with direct drive, belts and calibration anymore.
Con l'app Elite senza abbonarsi cosa si può fare? Hai fatto qualche video a riguardo?
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Great update as always. But importantly did you and Mr Lama do the microwave test for drop outs? lol
I'm all out of popcorn, so no microwave testing today. 🤣
Going to assume no but any of these updates applicable to the direto X - think I have only ever seen 1 firmware update and erg mode really struggles so any of the smoothing would make it so much better
Excellent video Shane. Thank you. Love the bridge!! What number are you using for power smoothing in Elites app. I have 3 sec
I think I dialled mine back to 2.
Thanks Shane, I'll go ahead and do that too.@@gplama
Hi Shane, Excellent video as always!... Opinion please, on either a Wahoo Kickr Smart V5 at £599 or the Elite Direto XR-T at £520 - what would you go for?
Same question @lama
I bought my Suito-T for £497.99 back in July 2021, so this "price cut" looks a bit strange to me. I never seen Suito-T in "retail" price of £639 in the UK as listed in video. Probably some Aliexpress style marketing on Elite side.
Hi Macie, quick clarification - we don't handle direct sales, which means we don't have control over the final prices. However, we do set a maximum recommended retail price to ensure prices won't exceed that limit. Lowering the suggested price helps us offer some guidance, and prevents users from being charged more than what has been recommended. Once the trainers are with retailers, we can't dictate how they set their prices. Thanks for reaching out.
@@elitecycling Thanks for your clarifications and trying to keep prices of your products down. And also for improving your existing products (via software updates) even if they are a bit older. TBH I didn't expect any updates to my older Suito-T trainer. I am happy with your politics of not pushing existing customers to newer models by providing new features only to new models, but also improving older hardware platforms when/if possible.
Thanks@@MaciejWiniarczyk, really appreciate that. That's just what we're trying to do with these updates! Hope you'll enjoy your next rides with these ones!
If anyone is looking for a Direto XR-T in the UK, I have just got one from Tredz for £448.99 quite the discount for a decent smart trainer.
so which option should I chose in zwift? FE-C or the Elite RealTrainer? There's stil the old PWR option that was a bit flaky. I'm assuming it's tje new RealTrainer option. Does anyone know? I can't find anything on elite's web site about it
Does the XR have auto calibration or is a spin down required?
Pretty difficult to make a choice now. The suito, direto as well as the kickr core are around the same price point. I'm inclined to go with the wahoo. What you guys think??
I think a major factor in that decision for me would be what @shannonparker7404 said above: who provides the best after sales support around where you live.
I have the same issue of high resistence after stop ride on my Direto x, I open a ticket to elite support but they deny the software problem but they have released a firmware for XR with Easy start. In your opinion, is possible to find hex, zip and json file for install them manually?
Does that ERG easy start apply to existing trainers that are like 2 years old if you run a firmware update? I have noticed with both of mine that if I enter the pens on Zwift for a ride a few minutes before the start time and then go to fill up my bottles, I'll come back, clip in, and find that it's a full-on max effort leg press to get it to turn over for that first few rotations. Apparently the pre-ride pens in Zwift send the trainer into ERG mode and it death spirals if you're not on it at the start. Really the only thing I don't care for with our Direto trainers.
Hmmm... Not sure on this one. As I understand, ERG will only 'activate' in Zwift when you're in a workout. If you want to trawl the Zwift logs it should have the commands sent to the trainer around that time.
2 week later with me not updating the Suito in over a year Upgrado is still saying it is up to date, with Firmware 196 and Rev 002. It cant be. Is this a phased roll out (I'm in the UK)?
I'm still wating for this but my Upgrado still says the Firmware is up-to-date. Have you any idea when they'll release the update to the UK?
Shane, have you ever explored how easy (or difficult) it is to get any of these trainers serviced? I have the Elite Suito and the noises coming from it would suggest it needs looked at but there is no clear route to doing this.
I found after 2-3 years I got some noise - I just needed to remove the casette, pull out the freehub body and degrease and relube the little spring pins (not sure of their proper name!) and it's as good as new. Just got all gunked up
This is by far the best news of the week for me. I’ve been hating on the North Pole engendering cord for months!
Of topic: anyone having trouble with the Riser keeping left on Zwift 1.47, bugs the hell out of me!
not sure how these retail prices will affect real prices. they were very, VERY often discounted massively already in europe
Does the bridging also work for ant+ HR monitors? Or Bluetooth only?
yes it does
Ok, in the Upgrado app under user data one has to logout and login again with email and credentials to let it recognize version 197 and do the update of firmware, otherwise its laughing at you with silly error messages.
We've Slashdotted it! (and that reference proves I'm old....) :)
Hi Shane, what about Sterzo?, this is always the one that tips my ATV over the edge!, can I link my Sterzo direct to the Direto trainer?. Thanks mate, great videos. Rob UK
Not possible at this point. That'd be a very useful feature for ATV users for sure.
Suito vs kickr vs zwift hub for same price, which one to choose?
i wonder if it would be worth upgrading from my original direto which really the only issue i have is how slow to respond to power changes in erg, i have had it 3 or 4 years with 0 problems.
Have you tried the latest firmware (v80 like you see in the video)? After doing that, ERG mode works just fine on my Direto. Failing that, on the Elite forums there are reported cases of mechanical issues causing problems in ERG mode, you could check that.
ohh i didnt know the firmware applied to first gen diretos. it works great other than resistance comming slow an going off slow. i have just adjusted to it over what 4 years
@@erikgiggey4783 Mine is two years old, hope it works for you.
Went those prices up comparing with a few years ago? Paid 510€ in 2021 for a new Elite Suit T. Or is this a newer version now?
Anybody else have issues with the Suito resistance after the upgrade, currently unable to pedal the thing as the resistance is too high and doesn't let off when you start in either Zwift or My E-Training? Opened a ticket with Elite but wondering if anybody else has had issues.
The justo have been way cheaper in than the direto in Norway 😅
Children chant: "yaaaaaaay!" Haha I haven't been on Zwift in months. Supposed to be a wet fall here so hoping to jump back on in the coming weeks to keep a bit of fitness into winter
Elite Suito T @$599 at Bikebug currently - insanely good price
Sadly I think they need some fixes on their servers to get the firmware update running, at least on android.
Do you expect Zwift Virtual Shifting to ever be introduced to the Direto XR?
I have a Direto XR which I am perfectly happy with other than I would really like virtual shifting. With virtual shifting in mind, I am thinking of buying a Wahoo Kickr core. Obviously I’d rather avoid the expense of switching trainer if it’ll be coming to Direto XR in future.
That’s a good question for Elite.
@@gplama thanks for your Zwift response. Sorry about that, but it was quick. 😉 🙏
Could apple allow more than 2 connections through software, or is it apple tv hardware limited?
I know they never will either way
I'm sure they could. It's not a limitation on iPhones/iPads/etc.
@@gplama ok ta. I won't hold my breath 😉
Don't suppose you have any suggestion on when Elite might eventually pull their finger out and do race mode, at least on Juusto? Seems wild I paid so much for a trainer and they're just letting it get left behind, even by cheaper competition like the JetBlack (which iirc has race mode?) :/
That's one for Elite support.... at this point. ;)
@@gplama ha yeah, unfortunately the question was asked on their support forum ages ago and just ignored (the forum is quite dead tbf) -- was hoping you'd have some inside info, I'm gonna let the optimist in me take the winky face to mean you do 😀
Ciao@@mark11602, appreciate your message! Your timing is spot on because we've got some exciting firmware updates for Justo scheduled for later in October, and one of them might have just what you're looking for 😉 Keep an eye out for these updates on here!
@@elitecycling ah that's great to hear -- cheers for popping in and responding 👍
something is wrong with mine. It shows version 068 and it say..up to date :((( what to do ?
Contact Elite support.
Off topic... I hear rumours that you can farm XP by using prize wheels on climb portal routes. Any idea if that is true? I'm trying to level up as fast as possible, currently doing workouts up Alp d Z (followed by descent) as I've run out of new routes to ride.
There was something in the 1.47 update notes about XP and Climb Portal. Maybe they've closed the loophole?
@@gplama damn, I'm too late to the party. Will stick with the Alp approach.
Just got a Direto XR-T with no cassette for 630 plus tax Canadian
Just bought another Kickr v5 after selling one a year ago, £499 new from CRC. Apparently firmware in Feb was updated to include Race mode and ERG easy ramp. Any truth to that? not taken it out of the box yet.
To access Race Mode on the Kickr 5 you'll need to use the Direct Connect dongle/Ethernet adapter.
@@gplama I don't race, so redundant for me. easy erg ramp, can see that being useful though in workouts. Not sure the v6 wifi feature is worth another £500 though.
Clueless with PCs......could the v5 dongle be directly connected to the PC ethernet port (PC connects wireless to t'interweb) or life not that simple?
Yep, the Direct Connect can go straight into an Ethernet port and will work. Back in the day it would require some messing about... but things are better now. What I've done with the Kickr 5 and Direct Connect dongle (and the Elite Justo Ethernet connection) is plug it directly into a Google Next Wifi device and get the trainer on the WiFi network that way.
@@gplama that's great info Shane. Thanks for all you do, from other side of the globe/firmament 😉👍🏿
hmm my Direto XR doesn't show firmware upgrade available on upgrado..?
What version is it showing?
I found my own app review for upgrado and found that I need to logout & login again ... Now firmware upgradod!
@@gplama Solved! Thanks. I do wonder if other people get same issue or not. Let them try re-login.
Ahhh.. thanks for the follow-up! 🙏🏼
Is a suito for £200 worth it ?
To any other Suito users out there : ever since i upgraded to the new firmware 197, the trainer when plugged in stays permanently awake (red power LED). With previous firmware, the unit switched itself off after a period of inactivity. (I have hardware revision 5) - so really convenient as i could just leave it plugged in. Small thing, but very irritating as i have to now manually unplug the trainer each and every time. Anybody else found this ?
Yep same here.
Thanks . Not just me then ! Be good in a subsequent update if they reinstate this feature . However if the time gap between 196 and 197 is anything to go by , I don’t think
It’s gonna happen anytime soon !
Anyone know why the Direto is selling for less than the Suito in Aus?
No idea. Which model Direto?
@@gplama Direto xrt-t $899 Vs Suito-t $1149 on Pushys/Bikebug. Is it just a stock level thing? Similar prices other sites too.
That’s interesting. Solid deal on the Direto XR-T.
What's the life of a trainer? my Directo X is sick after 2yrs hard graft and circa 2000 hrs?
That's never really specified by the manufacturer.
@@gplama yeah they're all really helpful like that NOT...Refurbished KickR 2018 ordered direct from Wahoo £499
Mine now 12k and out of bearings. Not changeable elite said. Repair only on factory and cost almost 1/2 new price. I move up neo2t now.
Sadly, the Direto X has been abandoned
This trainer is awful. A nightmare. After less than 1 year the resistance stopped working, the support is terrible. They have sent a new board for me to do their job, it took several weeks to arrive, I exchanged the electronic board myself and now the power meter is completelly off, by 50 to 70% and the support team is refusing to solve the problem. They even have several videos on their website explaining the typical problem that these trainers.