Elite Direto Xr - issue - creaking, cracking - how to fix (repair)

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  • Elite Direto XR - creaking, cracking - repair, how to fix
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  • @kianmokhtary3539
    @kianmokhtary3539 8 місяців тому +1

    Had mine for 2years. Cost just shy of 700£ which looking back was alot. Nice video makes my issue seem nothing to moan about. One thing im impressed is the fact this how to guide for this trainer is brand new! After two years of sweat the steel arms of mine direto is well rusted. So im touching them up with black hammer right metal paint! Thanks for the video! Happy cycling all ❤

  • @walteradamsbe
    @walteradamsbe 9 місяців тому +4

    Wow. I was ready to order an XR when UA-cam presented me with the video and now I'm not sure. Seeing all the comments that it is not uncommon on Elite models makes me doubt my decision. It's not that the procedure looks complicated but I don't feel like opening the guts of my future trainer to do this because Elite didn't do a better job in the factory.
    I could go with the Elite Justo. The higher price point might give the illusion quality control is better too but what is the guarantee to that?
    Going with a Wahoo Kickr is still a step up in price and I don't think I want to spend that kind of money on a trainer. I'm in doubt here on what to do.
    Thanks for the helpful video though.

    • @stanislavpjatak
      @stanislavpjatak  9 місяців тому

      I went to buy a trainer without getting to know the experiences of other users. So I was quite surprised when it broke after a few months of use. I took it for granted that I came across the wrong piece.

    • @walteradamsbe
      @walteradamsbe 9 місяців тому +2

      Finally I bought a Wahoo Kickr V5 which I got at a substantial discount on account of the fact that there is already a V6 since a year and there is even a new model Kickr Move. The difference between the 5 and the 6 is negligible so I did a good deal. Added bonus: the V5 has been out since 2020 so all structural kinks have been worked out giving me (hopefully) a trainer which I can enjoy without issues for a long time.
      Thanks again @stanislav for your very instructive video

  • @stephanevers
    @stephanevers 13 днів тому

    hört sich doch normal an und gut, als Kinder haben wir das extra so laut gemacht :D
    Danke für's Video

  • @ewu2030
    @ewu2030 2 роки тому +5

    i am looking to buy one and seeing here how easy it is to open and "fix" in case of small issues makes me wanna go for this one. at least now I know where to look in case anything goes wrong. nice video!

  • @mcabrerac
    @mcabrerac 2 роки тому +8

    There is an elite video explaining how to fix this issue. It is almost the same but without gluing the metalic pulley to the axle (they use loctite only for the small washer)

  • @Sebmondo
    @Sebmondo 2 роки тому +1

    How was the calibration affected after this fix? Any changes to power read out compared to another power source? I have the same problem though not quite as bad as yours...yet,
    I dont want to mess up the tension setting if I do this fix. Thank you for the video!

    • @stanislavpjatak
      @stanislavpjatak  2 роки тому +2

      After the repair, I calibrated the trainer and did not notice any changes compared to the state before the repair.

  • @weiyaptan4715
    @weiyaptan4715 2 роки тому

    Hi, Im facing the same problem with my Elite Direct X and its getting louder. So glad I found the answers here. What is the glue that you were using? Can you recommend the type and brand cuz I need to repair mine cuz its so noisy that i can't do early morning rides without waking my family all up....

    • @stanislavpjatak
      @stanislavpjatak  2 роки тому

      Hi, I used a two-component epoxy glue - Pattex. However, you can use other similar ones.

  • @hakonhalldorsson6673
    @hakonhalldorsson6673 Рік тому +1

    Loosening the pulley nut as you did at 2:00 is a big no-no. Elite says to stop the rotation by holding the top pulley, at the hub. By doing it like you did, you are putting all the torque directly through the power meter which can very easily break or get damaged. It is only a thin rod about 4mm diameter and designed to twist slightly during accelerating the flywheel against the electromagnetic forces, not withstand torques presented by potentially seized nuts. Same goes for tightening at 7:00.

    • @stanislavpjatak
      @stanislavpjatak  Рік тому

      The axle is certainly not a thin rod with a diameter of 4 mm. Only the hole into which the quick release goes has a diameter of about 5 mm. The diameter of the axis is about 14 mm. It is a thick iron rod as seen in the video.
      I would like to ask you for a link to the ELITE statement described.

    • @hakonhalldorsson6673
      @hakonhalldorsson6673 Рік тому

      @@stanislavpjatak That is only the part you see :) Behind the bearing it becomes narrow so that it will twist slightly under load. The amount of twist is measured optically to give a power reading, super accurately. It is a precision measuring device. You can see it here ua-cam.com/video/6djcdU6WW0E/v-deo.html
      Even if you are lucky and don't break it, it could plastically deform and throw off the accuracy.

    • @stanislavpjatak
      @stanislavpjatak  Рік тому +1

      @@hakonhalldorsson6673 Thanks for the link. The thin axis in the middle surprised me. From now on, I will be afraid to really step on the pedals during training. 🙂 In my case, the nut was undertightened, so I didn't need to exert much force to loosen it. I also didn't use a lot of force when tightening.
      In the official video from ELITE ua-cam.com/video/dMPX54XJsfc/v-deo.html they proceed in the same procedure as me, so probably the axle can withstand such pressure and will not deform. However, I will add a warning to my video.

    • @hakonhalldorsson6673
      @hakonhalldorsson6673 Рік тому +1

      @@stanislavpjatak Thank you for the Elite link. It is a year old, newer than when I carried out my repair. Surprising, I must say. The email I got from Elite guiding me through the steps said to leave the belt on and hold the big flywheel steady so no torque is going through the power meter. Also surprising that they don't specify a max torque tightening the nut and screw, but have a 2NM max on the small stop screw for the belt adjust pulley :) It is still good to know how things are built so that one can be careful when needed :)

  • @user-gf2qy7rw8n
    @user-gf2qy7rw8n 8 місяців тому

    thanks for the video. Do I understand correctly that something is missing in the construct for fixing? and because of this, clicks, whistles and unnecessary sounds?
    It looks like a similar problem. Only whistles at a power of 300+ and a cadence of 90+. And it taps loudly when the voltage is released

    • @stanislavpjatak
      @stanislavpjatak  8 місяців тому

      I think that the pinion was not properly tightened during production and therefore gradually loosened and deformed. The pinion made those popping noises when it hit the wedge.

  • @andrejdobrovodsky8167
    @andrejdobrovodsky8167 Рік тому +1

    Ahoj. Mám otázku ohľadne tohto tvojho servisu. Chápem že to čo si urobil pomohlo ale otazka je že keďže si to nalepil epoxidom nebude neskor problém vymeniť ložiská? Ďakujem za tvoju odpoveď

    • @stanislavpjatak
      @stanislavpjatak  Рік тому +2

      Ahoj. Neviem Ti presne odpovedať. Možno sa mi podarí dať pastorok dole, možno sa bude dať oska vytiahnuť z opačnej strany... Ďalším možným problémom bude vytiahnutie a následné vloženie ložiska ak je tam nalisované. Ak taká situácia nastane, tak ju budem riešiť a urobím z toho video.

  • @Roy-ud1db
    @Roy-ud1db 2 роки тому

    Thanks for video. I too have same issue with my new Suito-T trainer. Let us know how your trainer goes with this repair.

    • @stanislavpjatak
      @stanislavpjatak  2 роки тому +3

      The trainer works correctly after 7 months of repair.

    • @MiguelAugusto1982
      @MiguelAugusto1982 7 місяців тому +1

      @Roy-ud1db did you fix yours as well? I'm about to do it on my Suito as well. Let me know how it went and if it fixed it. Thanks! 🙏🏻

    • @Roy-ud1db
      @Roy-ud1db 7 місяців тому +1

      @@MiguelAugusto1982 Yeah, i sent mine back, and bought an XR instead.

  • @DocMaximov
    @DocMaximov 2 роки тому

    Funny kookaburra sound! Thx for maintenance!

    • @stanislavpjatak
      @stanislavpjatak  2 роки тому +1

      I didn't know kookaburra, so I heard the sounds it makes and it's really similar

  • @rongurney48
    @rongurney48 Рік тому

    Very helpful video. Thanks. How long had you used the XR before those noises appeared? Interesting. Similar problems with the Kickrs which have a similar construction. From experience, I know that Wahoo likes to send their units out from the factory with the belt too tight, obviously leading to premature bearing wear/noise. This situation is different. Kudos. Good fix. Just ordered a new XR. Will keep my fingers crossed. Regards.

    • @stanislavpjatak
      @stanislavpjatak  Рік тому +4

      Slight noise appeared immediately after purchase. I dealt with it with support and they wanted to replace my trainer as part of the claim. However, the replacement was supposed to last approximately one month, which was a very long time for me without a trainer. That's why I continued on a little noisier trainer. However, the noise gradually increased and after half a year, when the noise was already high, I decided to fix it.
      The screw on the pinion was probably not properly tightened from the factory.

  • @pcanh1234
    @pcanh1234 Рік тому

    Hi, can't you make another woodruff key or shim it out in the grove then wedge the pully back on.

    • @stanislavpjatak
      @stanislavpjatak  Рік тому

      Hi, making a wedge and milling a new groove is more complicated for me. I don't have the necessary tools for that.

  • @davidyuen1856
    @davidyuen1856 2 роки тому +1

    Would it be possible to remove it in the future after epoxy?

    • @stanislavpjatak
      @stanislavpjatak  2 роки тому +1

      I hope there is no reason for that, but I think it will be possible.

  • @optc
    @optc 2 роки тому

    Ahoj, tiež mám Direto a pri miernom uvoľnení ťahu je počuť puknutie. Myslíš že to bude ten isty problém?

    • @stanislavpjatak
      @stanislavpjatak  2 роки тому +1

      Ahoj, mne to rapčalo neustále nie iba po uvoľnení ťahu, takže to asi bude niečo iné. Ak by sa puknutia zosilňovali, alebo boli častejšie, tak by som rozobral len pravý kryt a pozrel či tam niekde nie je vôľa.

  • @luismedeirospereira9453
    @luismedeirospereira9453 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for sharing, is the beer optional? :)

  • @grasho
    @grasho 2 роки тому

    How long of a use and estimated hours/distance before this issue appeared?

    • @stanislavpjatak
      @stanislavpjatak  2 роки тому

      It appeared right after the purchase. At first it cracked softly, later more and more. I assume that the screw was not tightened enough from the factory.

    • @NOne72
      @NOne72 Рік тому

      Than the factory didn't use the correct steel for their axelwedge next time you get a new one att the hardware store och steelsupplier that is a special steel but not expensive it's commonly used i every axel from small to extremely large ones

  • @alphashavingworks
    @alphashavingworks 2 місяці тому

    what is the size of the wrench/spanner required?

    • @stanislavpjatak
      @stanislavpjatak  2 місяці тому

      I don't remember that anymore. After disassembly, you try and choose the right one.

  • @tobiabusardo3506
    @tobiabusardo3506 5 місяців тому

    hello, i have a problem removing the body. i removed the nut with a 17 mm spanner but it won't come out of the flywheel. do you know how to solve the problem?

    • @stanislavpjatak
      @stanislavpjatak  5 місяців тому

      The problem with me was that the pinion was loose, that's why it was making a sound. If you can't get it down, it probably won't be loose and it shouldn't rattle, so I don't understand what the problem is.

  • @NOne72
    @NOne72 Рік тому +2

    Why glue it's unfixable after and it wouldn't last as long as being a steelwedge at a hardwarestore

    • @stanislavpjatak
      @stanislavpjatak  Рік тому

      The steel wedge was there from the factory and did not last. It worked out as you can see in the video. By taping it, the squeal was fixed, and I don't think I'll have to take the pinion off.

    • @NOne72
      @NOne72 Рік тому

      @@stanislavpjatak i saw but that would not last because the glue is so much softer than the steel my tip is to bye wedge steel can bye bye the meter or piece just round it of and it fits .

    • @stanislavpjatak
      @stanislavpjatak  Рік тому +1

      During the repair, I considered the possibility of using a steel wedge, but since there was an uneven groove inside the pinion, I could not make a wedge that would fit exactly there. That's why I decided to use glue. The glue is all around, not just in the groove. It is well fixed and after 18 months of frequent use the trainer does not creak. The repair served its purpose.

  • @JoeJoe-lq6bd
    @JoeJoe-lq6bd Рік тому

    I'm trying to do this and the nut on the flywheel comes off but not the silver pulley. I'm not sure how to get this to work correctly.

    • @stanislavpjatak
      @stanislavpjatak  Рік тому

      Please write me the time in the video where I solve it, so that I know more precisely what it is about.

    • @JoeJoe-lq6bd
      @JoeJoe-lq6bd Рік тому

      @@stanislavpjatak At 1:51, the nut on the flywheel comes off easily and the other nut stays in place for me.

    • @stanislavpjatak
      @stanislavpjatak  Рік тому

      Now I understand. Try to enable it by holding the big black wheel on which there is a V-belt. If the V-belt slips, tighten the tension pulley.

    • @JoeJoe-lq6bd
      @JoeJoe-lq6bd Рік тому

      @@stanislavpjatak The nut is on there way too tight. I tried and I can't get a grip anywhere near good enough to hold the wheel in place. I'm going to try JB Welding the nut on the flywheel side. Not my favorite thing to do but if I can't get this fixed, I'll have to buy a new trainer anyway.

  • @sylvainmichaud2262
    @sylvainmichaud2262 2 роки тому +4

    Great job !
    However, if quality control had been done properly this trainer shouldn't have been shipped out without corrections.
    Even the people doing the assembly could have easily spotted the issue.
    I guess the were so much in a hurry to take advantage of the increased demand caused by the pandemic that they've cut corners.

  • @vilhenajorge
    @vilhenajorge Рік тому

    I'm having the same issue... Elite should be more carefull with the quality of their products!

  • @lukasnovak1508
    @lukasnovak1508 8 місяців тому

    Obdivuji tvou odvahu se pouštět do takové opravy. Samozřejmě s tím padá záruka. Ale i po záruce by bylo lepší vymenit to opotřebené pero na hřídeli, než vytvořit nerozebíratelný spoj. Může to zkomplikovat další servis.

    • @stanislavpjatak
      @stanislavpjatak  8 місяців тому

      Tak trochu som bol k oprave donútený. Hneď po kúpe robil trenažér mierny hluk. Chcel som to vyriešiť cez reklamáciu, výmenou za nový kus. Nedalo sa to takto urobiť. Trenažér som mal poslať a čakať ako to dopadne. Či mi ho vrátia opravený, alebo pošlú peniaze. To pre mňa znamenalo byť týždne bez trenažéra. Tak som to nechal tak a jazdil. Hluk sa však postupne zvyšoval. Začal som to riešiť s talianmi s Elite. Posielal som in videá, oni mne rady v čom by asi mohla byť chyba. Poslali mi orech na výmenu, upravoval som nastavenie magnetov... Nakoniec som chybu odhalil. Napísali mi že to mám prilepiť. Takže neviem ako by to bolo so zárukou, keďže oprava prebehla so súhlasom výrobcu.
      Rozmýšľal som aj nad výmenu pera, no nešlo vybrať z hriadele, poškodená bola aj drážka v pastorku. Tak som sa rozhodol pre lepenie.

    • @lukasnovak1508
      @lukasnovak1508 8 місяців тому

      @@stanislavpjatak Vypadá to, že pánové v Elite nemají technické vzdělání. Zapomněli na možnou výměnu ložisek na této hřídeli. Četl jsem o velmi malé životnosti těchto ložisek. Chtěl sem teď koupit Direto XR, ale asi zkusím jiného výrobce. Když jste komunikoval s centrálou Elite, kam jste měl odeslat Direto na servis? Do Itálie nebo prodejci na Slovensku?

    • @stanislavpjatak
      @stanislavpjatak  8 місяців тому

      Trenažér používam intenzívne (300 hod/rok) 3 roky a ložiska zatiaľ v poriadku. Reklamáciu som komunikoval s predajcom na Slovensku. Mal som to poslať im a ani by to následne poslali do Talianska. S technickým oddelením Elite som iba riešil možné príčiny hlučnosti.

    • @lukasnovak1508
      @lukasnovak1508 8 місяців тому

      Díky moc za info. Ještě zvážím co koupit.

  • @martinhorvat9816
    @martinhorvat9816 2 роки тому

    why u put epoxy ?

    • @stanislavpjatak
      @stanislavpjatak  2 роки тому +1

      I have good experience with epoxy in various strong joints

  • @Dietos
    @Dietos 6 місяців тому

    You should calibrate your trainer after moving tensionernof the belt 😉

  • @ibinsbono
    @ibinsbono 2 роки тому +2

    🍺@4:28 👍

  • @lilth501
    @lilth501 Рік тому

    I think I've certainly let my one go like this for too long

    • @stanislavpjatak
      @stanislavpjatak  Рік тому

      Me too, for a few months. That's why it got so bad there.

    • @lilth501
      @lilth501 Рік тому

      ​@@stanislavpjatak
      I just finished servicing the trainer looks like it was successful fix,
      The only thing different I used JB weld as the epoxy.
      After this I did a complete re calibration of the trainer as I believe once you changed the belt you must recalibrate the unit

  • @pcanh1234
    @pcanh1234 2 місяці тому

    No no no, need a new woodruff key! Or shim it out tap it back on tight. I

  • @bluebird1422
    @bluebird1422 2 роки тому +4

    it's a joke, not a propair repair. Glue doesn't have mechanical properties to whitstand forces generated by drivechain. Such a fix gonna break down after after few less than 30-50 hours of intensive training.

    • @stanislavpjatak
      @stanislavpjatak  2 роки тому +7

      Wrong, it's repaired and functional. I fixed it in April 2021. Since then, I have been training on the trainer for about 240 hours. The trainer works flawlessly. A year after the repair, I will open it and check and record a video about it.

    • @DerrickMoy
      @DerrickMoy 2 роки тому +2

      There are lots of types of applications for epoxy on vehicle repairs. I imagine this part with a human driving it should hold up quite well. SUCKS, but should hold up to a human's power output.

    • @irvhh143
      @irvhh143 Рік тому

      The key should be a tight fit in the keyway. Just looking at it you can see the gap. Poor quality control.
      BTW this is like the BB30 fix with bearing retainer compound. It lasts about a year. The world isn't perfect.