Elite Suito Direct Drive Trainer - In Depth Review
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- Today, we take an exhaustive look at Elite's entry level direct drive trainer, the Suito. We explore the good and the bad and let you know if we recommend it or not.
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great review, the kid staring into my soul during the intro was offputting... like a victorian ghost
The boogeyman*
He is a kid. Relax.
A very fair and unbiased review, thanks for taking the time to share your findings. Ride on!
Another great, honest review. Very much appreciate your channel.
just replaced my broken Zumo with a Suito-cant wait for it to arrive. Really enjoyed the review, subscribed.
Nice one, great honest, technical review....have one ordered 👍 can't wait to get on it
Very comprehensive review. Thank you!
I’ve been looking at smart trainers for a few days, I’m upgrading from an old commercial spin bike with Assioma power meter pedals. I’m in the UK and I’ve found the suito for sale @ £499. This is review is brilliant and has really helped me make my decision to buy this one 👍
Thanks for a really good and homeless honest video.
I have had to replace my bkool pro, and you've made the choice easy.
As I am a bit worries about buying the wrong trainer as it will be my first one, this review give lots of usefull answers! Thanks!
Thanks for this video, I actually bought it after watching this! It had no issues
Bought one of these trainers based on all the reviews I had seen and this one is one of the most comprehensive! So excited for it to come in and to start training hard
I just ordered one without the cassette , has it been operating without any wobble or creaking noises ?
Great insightful review, thanks!
Thanks guys for d real honest review on dis product, after watching I'm sure il be pulling d trigger on purchasing 1 of these, love yer videos greetings from Ireland 🇮🇪👍
thanks so much for your detailed review. helped a lot with my decision and purchase. I hope I dont run into any issues, in particular the noise you mentioned with earlier models.
Great to know seeing as I was going to get a wahoo and went for an elite suito instead. Great video, many thanks
Thanks for a really good review ! Help me with my choice !
Purchased one right after I saw this video. Great job with the review.
Awesome! We're still loving ours!
great review, subscribed!
I'm new to ur channel . . . And really like ur honesty 😁👍
best review I've found on the Elite. it seems to be the trainer for me
Thanks for the review! I've had this trainer since late 2019. I'm generally happy with it although began to have problems with it in the last 6-7 months. I found it overly noisy in the big ring at any speed and this has got worse over time. More recently the trainer began to not be able to handle any gradient over 5% in the big ring. It would grind and become very choppy unless I found an easy gear in the small ring. This isn't bad gear choice as I often do power climbs in the big ring. There was also a squeaking noise when I was out of the saddle. Anyway, I spoke to Elite and they said the 'tooth ring', which is behind the freehub and I believe dicates the smoothness of the flywheel, needed replacing and sent me spare parts to do this. However, this proved difficult- it needed a hammer and wrench and just wasn't user friendly, so finally Elite have agreed to take the trainer and repair it. Thank god. Hopefully it will be restored to it's original quality, which was pretty damn good for the price.
I've always found Elite's customer service to be excellent. I hope your situation goes well. Keep me updated.
@@TacomaCyclist Hey- Elite actually organised to have the unit sent back to Italy and fixed it. Happy with that.
Purchased one right after I saw this video. Great job with the review, it would be good to add calibration 👍😎
Thank You very much for this review. The Elite products were on my short list of trainers to look at, mostly because of availability and price but it seems that they are totally worth the investment.
We do like ours!
I got a suito last week - have done ~ 140kms on it and love it.
Thanks for the honest review
Great review...sold thanks
Great in depth review
Awesome review! Thanks so much for sharing. I'll be getting my first direct-drive trainer and really think this would be a good purchase
Super review!
I've never had a turbo trainer and did fancy a smart one. I narrowed this one down and after seeing this review, I'm sold. I'm a casual cyclist so I don't need huge flywheels etc.
brilliant job with that video, thanks!
Glad you liked it!
Just finished setting up the Suito , updated the firmware , warmed up the bike , did the calibration and no issues at all. Cycling on Rouvy is Great. 🤘🏼🚴🏽
@@larsrytter1052 it’s Still Going Strong , No Issues to Date , I’m not putting down massive watts , my average is anywhere between 155 to 185 sustained watts for 1 to 2 hour rides.
Amazing review! Bought mine today, thank you guys
Great to hear!
@@TacomaCyclist hey guys, the elite will be delivered next week, i have 1 question: does the zwift speed is like the same i will wide on the real street? (Of course without wind etc). So if i ride on zwift with 30 kmh, would i also ride 30 kmh on the streets in real life? Or is there a difference? Thx for answering guys! :)
@@klausklaus2119 Generally, yes. Some people find riding on the trainer harder and some people find riding on the trainer easier. However, largely, you will find that what you can do indoors will be indicative of what you can do outdoors and vice versa.
@@TacomaCyclist thx guys!😍 You are awesome.👌🏻
Thanks for the great Suito review. Makes me want to check it out in person before purchase but it might be difficult to do that in Covid lockdown. Do you know any local bike shop carrying this product? I’m from Seattle. BTW, really enjoy your videos. Good luck racing.
Great, seemingly very unbiased review
Thanks for sharing your experience with Elite Suito, I had Kickr Snap for few weeks then returned it and changed it to Kickr Gen4, hoping that it had better "road feel" being the high end model. But I was really disappointed, for me the feel was worse than wheel-on-trainer Kickr Snap, it required tremendous effort to crank up which I can do easily on real road. I decided to return Kickr Gen4 after trying it for 3 wks, I just hated stomping down the pedal feel with Kickr.
Anyway, I was lucky to place an order for Suito earlier today. In Europe, turbo trainers are sold out everywhere. And when they are re-stocked they get sold out almost immediately. It will take a day or two until I receive the Suito, but watching your review I think I will definitely like Suito more compared to Kickr. Will share my experience later then.
Cheers
Did you get the Suito? How is your experience so far?
@@joseurrego1512 yeh I did get the suito and enjoyed it. But now I am using thinkriderx7 which is much quieter. There was nothing wrong with suito I just wanted to save some money.
@@alexyounghunlee can you tell the experience with thinkrider x7 ?
Nice video, thanks :)
Thanks for the video. I was looking at the upper end Tacx but too pricey for me. Noise is a considerable factor for me as I also UA-cam my Zwift races. This trainers noise was not that bad. (I have an old cyclops.) Also, I didn't realize about the dropouts on the smart trainers. Good to know you only had 1 in a few months. I was powertap wheels so if I get a trainer, I am committed.
I just got this trainer today. I used it for 2-3 minutes before I had to run errands. I can’t wait till tomorrow.
How's it been going after about 2 weeks now?
excellent review :-)
Glad you liked it!
I've been scowering the internet to find out if I can ride on this thing with no power - in the event I'm at a race or lose the power and 15' in this video there's one throw away line - "You don't have to plug it in for it to work." THANK YOU!!!!! You get a thumbs up just for that line!!
Also - mine came with a 105 cassette - not an Ultegra.
Glad that worked out for you. Granted, you won't get full resistance changes when it's not plugged in, but it will act like a fluid trainer at that point. I think you're correct about the cassette in that it's a 105. Of course, those are pretty similar and it's still free. 😊
@@TacomaCyclist Free is good.
I live in an RV
So the fact that you mentioned you don’t need power was very helpful
Curious if you have any additional thoughts about the Suito since the review? Also, I understand there is no Elite USA support - have to work with Elite in Italy via email? Have you had any issues requiring support. Thx
I have two CompuTrainer Pros. One still BNB. The other I've been using daily for over 12 years. It just works.
They are great trainers! I'm sad they went out of business! They were local to us too!
How about a long term review? How is the Suito holding up?
Have you used your Quarq already and what is your view on that? I have a quarq on my road bike and it's nice knowing that it allows for a bike power meter to connect ... you a really good objective review on your vids I have to add - thanx
Thanks for the kind words. Yes, I've used my quarq d zero for about 2 years now asks it's been amazing and flawless. Far better than the stages that I came from.
@TacomaCyclist how are the trainers holding up? Have they been reliable?
Disagree per road feel of the Wahoo Kickr. Best trainer I’ve used. I’ve owned the Tacx Neo and it’s a good trainer but the Kickr 18 is the best out there. What platform were you using your Kickr on? Zwift? If so what was trainer difficulty set to?
This was a great review, thank you. Any thoughts on stability and long-term build quality vs the Kickr Core? I was comparing a Suito and Core today and to wondering how the Suito's legs might hold up over time. Thanks!
Great question! I've been using mine for a while now and it's held up quite well. It's just as stable and consistent as it's first day. Compared to my 2nd gen wahoo which started to rattle and get loose after a year or so.
@@TacomaCyclist thank you! Great channel, btw. Appreciate the honest assessments.
@@steeleworthy thanks!
I bought the unit 2 days ago.. Ride for the first time, the knocking sound appeared. Its annoying and really make me pissed off.. You happen to know the reason and how to solve this issue?
Thanks
How do you set it up with a thru axle disc brake bike? Is additional adapters required
Should i use another frame onthis unit to keep from wear and tear using my regular bike.
Do you demo the coasting anywhere in this video?
Hi, thanks for the video. I do have this trainer, and even after calibration, the cadence some times go crazy. Do you experience this?
Sadly, calibration doesn't do anything to cadence. Yeah, the cadence in these (along with most direct drive trainers) can be a bit wonky. I generally just trust it about 90% of the time.
Nice review. I just want to ask where you got yours? I am looking around here in the East Coast and it is out of stock.
I ordered mine from competitive cyclist but I don't think they have them right now either.
@@TacomaCyclist thank you. I guess I have to keep looking.
Hello. Thanks for the great review. I have a question about the problems you mentioned in the beginning of the video. I think I got one of those trainers with defect flywheel. The trainer is quite loud, espacially with higher speed (big chainring). What can I do? Do you have any ideas?
Have you lubed the cassette? Also, some bikes need to have their chain line adjusted when put on a trainer. Mine does. I need to move my rear derailleur inboard about 1mm. If you have a barrel adjuster for your rear mech, try moving the mech inwards a little. The old defect was a loud clunking sound. If it's not that, then it's what I describe. Cheers.
@@TacomaCyclist
Here you can see and hear the trainer, is that normal?
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@@phil121986 yeah, that's definitely that the rear derailleur needs to be trimmed. Essentially, the chain is rubbing the cassette. First, try putting some wet lube directly on the cassette. Don't go crazy with it. Then, if that doesn't make it a lot better, try trimming your rear derailleur. 1 half turn of the barrel adjuster should do the trick. I have to trim mine every time I put it on the trainer, but I've had to do that on every direct drive trainer.
@@TacomaCyclist
Thanks for the advice, I will try it 😉
Sounds like a good buy, if your in the market for one.. just thinking of rreplacing the taxc flux, it’s giving up the ghost 4years on 🙈🙈🤬.
Are you using this with a disk brake bike?
Hi. I have this trainer and I am a bit confused about the spindown calibration values. At first the number it showed was 10800, a few weeks later 11300 and then 11800. The difference is as big as 10% which made me wondering how the trainer interprets that number. Will the resistance applied to the flywheel change linearly with that value? (i.e. was the power off by 5% before the calibration that adjusted that value by 5%). I am not sure whether it's even a good idea to show that number to the user without explaining what it means.
The good news is, apparently this trainer auto adjusts once calibrated. I've seen this to be true since I frequently compare the trainer data against my quarq and they're pretty bang on identical. Personally, I wouldn't spin down more than once a month on these and even that shouldn't be necessary. As for what the values mean, each power meter manufacturer shares their "zero offset" values differently. I don't know what each of their respective values mean honestly.
Nice video! I want to ask if you have had problems with the knocking sound, that a lot of people have with these Elite Suito's. I want to buy one, but I don't know if it's worth it, if the sound is something that every owner of the trainer experience.
I have not. Both of the trainers have been flawless and a delight to use (as much as a trainer can be a delight).
Hi, have you bought this trainer? How about the sound?
@@PierreNicques I havent have any problems with it. It's a Nice trainer!
@@marcoquaranta5708 Nice to hear that. What do you think about noise level when riding 35-40 km/h on flat? Would it be disturbing to people in other rooms (specially above you)? I just read a few opinions about problems with trainer calibration, but I hope it's not a thing anymore.
Hey did I understand you right that I have to change the cassette when I normally use a 11-34 on my bike cause the chain is too long? Thanks for the vid and sorry for my bad english
Hey Nerofin - first you should never have to apologize for your English. Whatever your first language is, I promise you I don't speak it as well as you speak English. Second, you may have to do that or get yourself another 11-34 cassette to put on the trainer permanently. You can try it with the existing setup and it may work. If it doesn't, it may just be too loose on gear combos where you have small cogs paired with a little chainring. Cheers!
@@TacomaCyclist thank you!
had to give a thumbs up after the spaghetti noodle comment.
Would you still recommend this unit 2 years later?
being someone who is like 200 pounds i mean what yer sayin at 7:07 is how i feel normally. like why is this feeling like mud rn. lol. workin on it tho.
hahaha... good you are working out! Doesn't matter if your weight is high then. You are cycling & cycling is good!
Thank you for the honest review. I recently bought this. Really happy with it. The only problem I have is that when I want to ride in my easy gears. The chain falls off the cassette on the last cassette (between the trainer and cassette). It is really strange to see this happening. I am using the quick release skewers. It isn't loose on either side of the bike. The bike is secure. Any tips would be great. Thanks again.
It's not uncommon for direct-drive trainers to be ever-so-slightly "off" of alignment and to require a little microadjustment of the rear derailleur. I find that, on at least 1 of my bikes, I have to adjust by 1mm (easy to measure since it uses ETAP and one micro-shift is .2mm and I do 5 microshifts. That being said, also check to make sure your rear mech hanger is properly aligned and that the rear limit screws are set well. If it's dropping like that, my guess is it's off just enough to mess with you on the trainer but not enough to mess with you when you're on the road. However, that problem only ever gets worse and you definitely don't want that to happen on the road.
Do you know if its compatible with the R.A.T. Axle System of Focus Bikes?
I'll admit that I don't know. However, the axle support is really just a different sized hole versus the quick release version. If it uses a relatively standard axel, you should be fine.
Hi there. Awesome vid so I am looking at this purchase perhaps going forward. Are you still happy weeks later ?
Yes I am!
@@TacomaCyclist thanx Tacoma cyclist...
Great Review ! I just ordered the Suito , did they take care of the wheel wobble & creaking noise issues that I have seen on UA-cam & forums , I’m hoping I made the right choice.
I've heard mixed on whether they have fixed it. Most accounts suggest yes. Also, our two specimens are still going strong and silently. I would say it's very likely that yes, you are in good shape.
Any thoughts on this in comparison to the Directo XR from Elite?
Sadly, I have not tried the Diretto. I hear positive things though.
Great review! I have a Suito on order and hoping it will be here soon. I have a 11 -34 cassette with Ultegra Di2. The Suito is 11 - 28. Is it simply a matter of changing the settings in the Etube app to get everything up and running correctly? Thanks for your help.
You may find that your chain is too long and you may have to get a matching cassette for the trainer. If so, it's pretty easy to swap the cassette if you have the right tool. If not, a bike shop can do it in less than 3 minutes.
@@TacomaCyclist Wow...that was a quick reply. Thanks! It will be obvious if the chain is too long?
@@tswan222 yup. It will sag and your rear derailleur will be slack. And you got me when I had my phone in my hand, hence the lightning fast replies. :-)
great review thanks! I have a 11-30 cassette on my bike, do I need to worry about my chain being too long when using this trainer?
Hello Sir, I see you did a review about S-Works Tarmac Etap
2017, do you would still buy this bike for 5999 in a shop? Or better buy sth else?
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Hmm... Probably not for that price. But it's still a good bike. Maybe 2500 to 3000
I have a mountain bike with a 1x11 drive train. Couple questions, will this be worth it if I don't buy a road bike for it? I would use my mtn bike for it but I can see it being very tedious having to tune my bike all the time when I switch back and forth
Will there be enough resistance if I only have 1 cog in the front?
I would suggest just buying the appropriate cassette for the trainer. Whatever you have on your MTB, mount that on the trainer and voila, you'll have a perfect replica. In which case, the resistance will be perfect. I can use my MTB on mine and my 1x setup on mine doesn't have a huge pie plate, but I still have issues with my chain being too slack. If I swapped in a cassette that was identical to the one on my MTB, I'd be in business.
@@TacomaCyclist oh man! Awesome! Thanks. That makes the elite cheaper too if I get it without. Are there any other components id need to make the cassette work? Or does any cassette fit? I got the adapter for the boost spacing in my cart. Maybe I should get a new chain while I'm at it lol then just put all the new stuff on my bike and the old stuff on the trainer
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Hi, just got the Suito T, unpacked it, installed Zwift, tried it but the resistance is too hard . Can't spin the pedals after a couple of seconds. Tried calibrating with the Elite E-training app, but there it asks me to hit a target speed of 94km/h! That can't be right?
So, definitely use the app on the computer, not on your phone. The phone app is NOT good. Well, it's okay, but the calibration function sucks. On the computer, it works fine. The pedals moving issue will resolve when you load something on the computer
@@TacomaCyclist the desktop app worked fine now for calibration. Target speed was 34km/h. BUT the off the charts resistance got solved another way because I googled the hell out of it....The issue happened because my Wahoo Bolt paired with the trainer. It seems that there is an issue with the Wahoo computers and the suito. There’s a whole thread somewhere. I removed the Suito from the Wahoo, loaded a workout in Elite’s eTraining app peddled a few minutes and stopped. And just like that issue solved! I paired my wahoo first thing after unboxing so I had no idea what was happening. Zwift and Elite’s workouts are working lile a charm now. What a strange bug this is.
how do you compare this to a lemond revolution trainer in term of road feels?..
The Lemond is a great trainer and probably one of the best for road feel. This isn't far off. The difference is the sound though! That Lemond sounds like a small jet engine when you get it going.
Are you in the US by chance? Where would I order one of these in the us? I can’t seem to find them online easily
I found mine at competitive cyclist but it looks like they don't have them. Let me see if I can track some down.
@@TacomaCyclist thank you I greatly appreciate it! I’m just getting into this and am totally ignorant on trainers and bikes in general lol. I’ve had a hard time finding a budget bike that has a compatible cassette for this trainer as well 😂😅
@@mattdagger1480 It looks like bike tires direct sells them but is currently out of stock. They should have some soon.
@@TacomaCyclist sweet!! Thank you! One last question lol! Again me being ignorant the elite says “Shimano® 105 (or equivalent) 11-speed cassette” does that mean any 11 speed rear cassette from Shimano will work out of the box like the Claris or other lower end ones? Or will I need to just take my cassette off the bike and buy an adapter? Sorry for all the questions I just don’t wanna get it all and not be able to hook it up 😅
@@mattdagger1480 So, the trainer comes with an 11 speed cassette (a 105 I believe). As long as your gearing is 11 speed, you won't need to get an additional cassette. However, I think below 105 is 10 speed and lower (though I could be wrong - I haven't checked in a while).
Is it still kicking by the way? I saw some mixed reliability reports searching lately 🧐
Definitely. This time of the year, I run it every day for at least 2 hours. So far, so good.
Thank you! Happy new year!
Have you ever tried a Cycleops Hammer H2?
I haven't yet. Just the wahoo kickr, kickr core, Tacx bushido, computrainer, and a few non smart trainers. I hear it's quite good but pricey
@@TacomaCyclist I by chance had the opportunity to use one extensively. Very few dropouts.
Do you find the incline percentage enough ? Really between this and the wahoo.
Do you mean is the way that it simulates climbs particularly on the steeper side of things accurate enough? If so, yeah, especially for zwift. I think zwifts climbs are off anyway, but the grade simulation on the elite is good and it's quick to respond.
Yes exactly thank you. And you would still recommend this unit over the wahoo?
Do you have any concern about using a carbon frame with an indoor trainer?
Not even a little. Many manufacturers have come out and stated that it's perfectly suitable, plus there are precious few reports of damage due to a trainer and many have extenuating circumstances.
@@TacomaCyclist Those are my thoughts as well, but my local bike shop is very much against using carbon frames with indoor trainers, so I am a bit paranoid haha
Thank you for your quick response!
@@LukasWanner fwiw, a riding and racing partner of mine just completed his masters in material sciences at the University of Washington with an emphasis in composite materials. His take is simple - carbon is way more resilient than other materials and is quite alright on the low stress environment of the trainer
@@TacomaCyclist I have heard that in a youtube video as well, but having my local bike shop express so much concern kind off freaked me out haha...
Thank you again for your great answer!
I just came from your other video of your first review of this machine. I just bought it today - I sold my old bike and buying a new one. Can you please tell me the things my new bike must have to be compatible with this specific machine?
I know lots of people who buy 12mm thru axles the day they get their trainer. I’d like to be all ready day 1 (if possible) thanks for your time. And video!
Sure thing! If your new bike is 12 speed (etap AXS or Campy), you'll need the appropriate adapter (XDR) and a cassette. Otherwise, if you're 11 speed, you're good to go out of the box. The trainer can accommodate both thru axle and quick release and has the appropriate adapters in the box.
@@TacomaCyclist awesome! And it is also compatible with the KICKR CLIMB? or with this trainer it is simply the block for the front wheel that can be used?
actually now I am reading because it offers up to 15% gradient on its own and kicks in automatically, the trainer by itself should be superior to having the KICKR climb attached onto the front of the bike for an additional nearly $1,000 (or I may be wrong on this)
@@zacharyerskine4277 that's actually different. All smart trainers offer resistance feel, but the climb actually raises the front of your bike. Elite says it's not compatible but I think that is so they can sell their own front wheel accessory.
This kid scares me. Dead eyes! But great review. Thank you.
He's a shy kid who's nervous in front of a camera. A work in progress.
@@TacomaCyclist Would no doubt rip my legs off. Really helpful review. I ended up buying the Suito after watching this and reading a few other articles.
"it's very cheap" Man, I wish I live in USA.
Such a huge step up from wheel on trainers and takes up less space, does not destroy tires, especially expensive tires running with sealant, love how much less wear and tare on the bike. All metal is awesome, so tired of cheesy plastic builds.
Why is the kid wearing a finger skating shirt?
Why is he staring at me
He's coming for your soul😂
*********************Summary*****************
lightweight fly wheel
15% grade max, 2.5% accuracy
bad:
elite app terrible, non ergonomic handle lol
Good:
lighter than other directs, very portable, super sleek, less rolling acceleration lag, very accurate, easy assembly,
maybe good or bad, very fast reaction to changes in gradient
Haha. Yeah, pretty much. Dude, I should have you write copy for me.
@@TacomaCyclist Do you want me to? I'm comparing 3 differnet trainers right now and taking the notes so i can come back and compare them all
I thought boogeman is a Robot 🤯