I had heard the news and didn't think anything of it. I had no idea the positive implications! We need all the help we can get to get the kids interested in drag racing and back to the drag strip. Maybe fewer will be closing! Thanks Evan!
We’re you not listening? The reason for the rule change is that 2014 and newer cars are designed (by law) such that roof will not cave in in the event of a roll over.
One thing I will agree with here. While the roofs in modern cars are much stronger in the event of a rollover the seats and belts in a street car will not restrain a driver like a race seat and a multi point harness will. And most of us here have been around racing and know that serious injuries can result due to the driver being tossed around inside the car in the event of a rollover. The strength if the roof structure is only one piece of the puzzle in creating a car that is truly safe on a race track at high speeds.
Evan i agree cars are safer now than ever but there isnt one piece of data from Ford or NHRA on what happens to these cars in a crash at 100+mph, if im not mistaken the bumpers, front and rear impact zones are only tested to 35mph single vehicle and 35mph each in a head on scenario. I myself would at least get a bolt in bar because i have seen 3 S550s that have been rolled at less than 55mph and the roof was flat against a seat, granted the opposite seat the roof wasnt mashed down and actually the roof was higher on that side due to the angle getting pushed up as the opposite side collapsed. In the end you the driver is the first one on the scene in a crash and ultimately your responsible to use whatever safety equiptment you feel will make sure you walk away, i just hope people will chose wisely because that choice could have deadly consequences at 100+mph.
@@revanevan no doubt, ive been 6.20s @ 120+ 1/8 mile with nothing but a lap belt and helmet for safety gear, that was 12-13yrs ago before i started running road course and seeing the damage of vehicles hitting tire walls, guard rails and catching air then flipping just sliding in the grass without a roll bar. Even saw a couple that rolled with a bolt in roll/harness bar that when they rolled the force pushed the 4 points thru the floor and still pushed the roof in BUT the roof didnt crush their necks so guess they did slow the roof down enough to not really hurt them.
I love how everybody in the comments is arguing with eachother over a personal choice lol if you want a cage you can have one, if you dont want a cage you dont have to have one nobody is forcing either direction on you
Good point. 80 percent of the driver's killed in roll over accidents weren't wearing a seat belt. The G loading with a seat belt in a 60 mph roll over is around 2,5 G's If you're not buckled in the G loading rises to150 G's.as you bounce around the interior of the vehicle. You might be considered lucky if you're ejected out of the vehicle.
im fine with the rule changes except for the licencsing part, back when i was building my NMRA hot street car, i went to a drag racing school for my license and because id never driven a car that fast. if you watch channels like Limpy, or 660 street, or street race channel or Turbo John, you can see alot of people out there have fast cars but are completely lacking the talent or knowledge to drive them safely. guys dont seem to know when to lift to save thier own car, or even worse thier own life. NHRA and other sancioning bodies relaxing licensing requirements isnt gonna help in that reguard.
To each his own, but if I'm running anywhere near a 150 mph,I want stability in the car! Remember the saying "I'd rather have it & not need it,rather than need it & not have it"! I'd think crashing at those speeds would be catastrophic for a stock street car. I'll keep thinking that way,until I'm proven wrong!
Yes, factory produced vehicles have gotten MUCH faster, and with all the federally mandated airbags, crumple zones and driver compartment safety improvements ARE much safer than older cars. Kudos to NHRA for taking a long, hard look at current cars and their performance capabilities before pulling the trigger on this change. Hopefully all these changes will encourage MORE people to "take it to the track" instead of all these "Mexican" street racers. Motorsports safety is a choice - make the one that is right for you and those who want to see you come home after a great day at the track.
How'd they choose the year? I wish they changed the year to 2003 when the cobra with a blower was introduced. That seemed to signify the change in the hp wars IMO.
.80 percent of the fatalities in rollover's weren't wearing their seat belt. So while a roll bar is always a good thing to have in a car or truck the oems have really improved the safety of their vehicles in the event of a roll over.NHRA may want to include some earlier cars and tracks as well.
I didnt read the NHRA rule book on the 2014 and newer rule ,but they need to add one exception, If the vehicle was ever deemed a total loss due to a collision , the vehicle owner needs to supply documentation that the car was repaired as instructed by the manufactures collision procedures and collision position statements , What does that mean? no sectioned frame rails, all welding must be done with the factory recommended welding wire whether it be a specific wire , steel ,aluminum panel bonding with the correct rivets and mig bronze when required or proof of repair by a factory certified collision shop , bolted on parts like doors fender hoods etc. excluded..All these new cars are made of HSS or UHSS, I've seen guys cut the frame section them with a standard MiG , One high speed collision and the motor will be sitting on the console or bend at the "A "pillar and you'll jamb the door closed, and all you need is one fatality and some lawyer will find the deepest pocket and its lawsuit city. not to minimize the loss of a life !
Minimum rollover requirements for the pillars of modern cars is pretty ridiculous. As evidenced by the ridiculous size of said pillars of modern cars lol.
@@RyTrapp0 - Exactly. Modern roof structures are basically designed with built in roll bars. They protect not only against the roof caving in but the doors also protect from side impacts.
I would still want at least a bolt-in 4 point bar to properly mount a harness...I have concerns that a factory seat belt would hold up well in a 150 mph crash, even with 27 air bags assisting it.
That's a nonsense concern - you really need to do some research on seat belts, their mechanisms, and the minimum loads that they're required to meet. Let's just say that you'll probably break bones in your body against the belts before the belts just give up. I mean, it's not like these things aren't known quantities that have been around forever.
A family friend rolled his suv at 45 mph in the snow. 6'4" and 240 pounds. Metal trim inside the car cut the seatbelt on the A pillar. He survived but was beat to crap
Does anyone know about chute requirements? Doesn't a 150mph demand it regardless of the age of the car? I was turned down from a track in N.C. because my car didn't have a cage, and it's a 2023. Ultimately, I guess track management can call an audible if they want to.
Jump from a plane and your chute fails and you’re getting hurt. There’s risk in anything fun. But odds are most people who race a new car with the factory safety pieces in place will survive an accident.
It should be all years for the same rules. Stuff like this is why NHRA is no good. Less and less people are showing up to there events and also pushing cars to the streets.
I don't understand how full purpose built, complete chassis cars that use to certify for 7.50 now only certs for 8.50, but this is going the opposite direction...
It's going to depend on the track. It's not hard to check the door sill for the model year, and it's also not hard to acknowledge that a 2011 S197 Mustang is no less safe than a legal 2014 S197 Mustang.
Very interested to see if this brings some new people into the sport. At the very least, it will get street cars out to the track. Maybe they'll get hooked like the rest of us. The more people that get involved with the sport, the better off we all are!
WOW…. That is fast. I almost considered not buying a blower because I thought it was still 11.0. But I need boost. Still haven’t hit 11.0 anyway. Close tho
Ford and NMRA is the best.... the heck with the rest! Hopefully these new rules will get some people to stop racing on the street and get out to the track.
I don't think it matters how well built these new cars are, that's still 150mph in the 1/4. All that crash and safety testing never takes speeds above 70mph into account.
Now the factories should build limited edition cars that go 9.0's out of the gate. Take advantage of the new rules and simultaneously take a dump on this Plaid trash. We all know it's doable. I realize that presently these manufacturers would prefer to EV themselves into irrelevancy, but how about going out with a bang?
Unfortunately this probably won’t have that much impact on decreasing street racing due to the number of drag strips that continue to close all over the country.
No stock production car will ever reach 9.0/150mph in 2022, but a stock Tesla S Plaid and Bugatti Chiron can do the 1/4 at over 150mph! Rimac Nevera does 8.6s at over 160mph stock!
I'd like to see a 2014+newer Mustang Camaro etc smash into a wall in a crash test and then compare that to something that was actually made out of metal from the 60s-70s
Imagine the liabiity issues and physical issues of installing a roll bar in cars with multiple airbags. Sue happy lawyers would have a ball when a roll bar splits skull or disables an airbag.
Should've been done for 2003-on. Terminators, all Shelby's, and any 5.0 - if they can't run 11s, just a few bolt-ons will get you there. And forced induction will take you WAY past that.
Ppl the rule states 9.0 or 150 mph so you can modify your car performance wise with no roll bar unless you exceed the rule. So get to building Honda boys gonna be taking over and ruin the class
Chill out guys alot of sheet cars that are stock are more safe then a gutted out 80s or 70s cars amd alot of newer sports cars jave a built in roll bar or buolt in stiffer seam lr something to help in roll overs
The people who would never cage there car in the first place running in the nines are dancing in the streets. Really not enough data to support how these cars will survive in a 140 to 150 crash, even lower. How a car will hit a barrier or if you are hit on the side from another car crossing into your lane. Just as before you will have people pushing the limits into the eights until you get caught. Prime example was the Steeda car at Bradenton, 8.50@ 162 with a 6 point bolt in, no chute and a driver that just played dumb. If anyone should be setting a example it should be them. I was happy to see NMRA DQ them. If NHRA had made the cut off 2012 then the drivers of 2011 would bitch, so already I can here, the tracks won't check the year of the car so lets break the rules again. Time will tell.
It's all good until someone gets killed, or crippled. People are killed by the thousands on I-95 with these factory safety features, and not at 150 MPH. I hope I never see anyone injured at the track, because of this.
So a car made out of Chinese steel and aluminum thinner then a washing machine metal and plastic all over is safer then the cars from the 60s and 70s? The only thing that makes it safer is the air bags and those things can still kill you. It's not about safely never has been.
Anytime you step into any car to rave you need to know there is a chance you so t exit that car alive I know that when I strap into my 900 hp Sprint car on asphalt wide open never lift
I don't think tesla should be allowed in nhra no point in running my built Camaro that stays in the 9 second range cuse you gonna get beat by tesla plads. They should only allow gas or diesel or combustan engines only no electric cuse it's not traditional drag racing. They need to make electric class and no ekectrics in street class cuse that will kill it. But if you gonna race anytging please put a roll bar and window net in car guys and a racing harness with hans.
I had heard the news and didn't think anything of it. I had no idea the positive implications! We need all the help we can get to get the kids interested in drag racing and back to the drag strip. Maybe fewer will be closing! Thanks Evan!
Looks like my 2013 just became a 2014 GT. Great vid Evan
Thanks
Of course, you don't need a roll bar until you get on your roof.
You can still install one if you feel safer. You can also sky dive 300 times and on 301 your chute fails. But people will still sky dive.
We’re you not listening? The reason for the rule change is that 2014 and newer cars are designed (by law) such that roof will not cave in in the event of a roll over.
One thing I will agree with here. While the roofs in modern cars are much stronger in the event of a rollover the seats and belts in a street car will not restrain a driver like a race seat and a multi point harness will. And most of us here have been around racing and know that serious injuries can result due to the driver being tossed around inside the car in the event of a rollover. The strength if the roof structure is only one piece of the puzzle in creating a car that is truly safe on a race track at high speeds.
Will the "factory belts" have to be replaced every couple of years?
Best comment on here!
They really should have dropped that rule down to 2010 or 2011. 2014 is a pretty arbitrary and nonsensical cutoff.
Yes, I imagine someone inside NHRA looked at the data on roll overs and realized 80 percent of the driver fatalities weren't wearing a seatbelt.
Would love to see more naturally aspirated builds. That's what I'm doing
Any ETA on when it’s ready? Can’t wait to see it 💪
❤Plaid
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2023 Roadster = 🚀🚀
I really wish cars that are functionally the same as 2014 MY would be included (ie 11-14 Mustangs).
Yeah I agree the body is exactly the same and I believe the safety hasn't changed from 2011-2014
Evan i agree cars are safer now than ever but there isnt one piece of data from Ford or NHRA on what happens to these cars in a crash at 100+mph, if im not mistaken the bumpers, front and rear impact zones are only tested to 35mph single vehicle and 35mph each in a head on scenario. I myself would at least get a bolt in bar because i have seen 3 S550s that have been rolled at less than 55mph and the roof was flat against a seat, granted the opposite seat the roof wasnt mashed down and actually the roof was higher on that side due to the angle getting pushed up as the opposite side collapsed. In the end you the driver is the first one on the scene in a crash and ultimately your responsible to use whatever safety equiptment you feel will make sure you walk away, i just hope people will chose wisely because that choice could have deadly consequences at 100+mph.
Understandable, but you can go to a track day and go even faster with no cage.
@@revanevan no doubt, ive been 6.20s @ 120+ 1/8 mile with nothing but a lap belt and helmet for safety gear, that was 12-13yrs ago before i started running road course and seeing the damage of vehicles hitting tire walls, guard rails and catching air then flipping just sliding in the grass without a roll bar. Even saw a couple that rolled with a bolt in roll/harness bar that when they rolled the force pushed the 4 points thru the floor and still pushed the roof in BUT the roof didnt crush their necks so guess they did slow the roof down enough to not really hurt them.
I love how everybody in the comments is arguing with eachother over a personal choice lol if you want a cage you can have one, if you dont want a cage you dont have to have one nobody is forcing either direction on you
Finally, someone gets it!
Good point. 80 percent of the driver's killed in roll over accidents weren't wearing a seat belt. The G loading with a seat belt in a 60 mph roll over is around 2,5 G's If you're not buckled in the G loading rises to150 G's.as you bounce around the interior of the vehicle. You might be considered lucky if you're ejected out of the vehicle.
im fine with the rule changes except for the licencsing part, back when i was building my NMRA hot street car, i went to a drag racing school for my license and because id never driven a car that fast. if you watch channels like Limpy, or 660 street, or street race channel or Turbo John, you can see alot of people out there have fast cars but are completely lacking the talent or knowledge to drive them safely. guys dont seem to know when to lift to save thier own car, or even worse thier own life. NHRA and other sancioning bodies relaxing licensing requirements isnt gonna help in that reguard.
To each his own, but if I'm running anywhere near a 150 mph,I want stability in the car! Remember the saying "I'd rather have it & not need it,rather than need it & not have it"! I'd think crashing at those speeds would be catastrophic for a stock street car. I'll keep thinking that way,until I'm proven wrong!
No matter what your standards are, you're going to draw the line somewhere
And here I am barely getting through tech because they're complaining that I don't have a seat cover
I think I'll pass on going 150mph with no roll bar.
People do it all the time at open track road race events. Literally every weekend.
@@revanevan what about older cars like classics? whats the limit on that is it 10.99 1/4 you need a 8.50 cert roll bar
I’ve done 163 on the highway. All balls no brains
Disinformation on why driver's in roll over's have a high fatality rate.80 percent of those killed weren't wearing their seatbelt.
I’m all about freedom. Just don’t cry when people start to get hurt and die
Yes, factory produced vehicles have gotten MUCH faster, and with all the federally mandated airbags, crumple zones and driver compartment safety improvements ARE much safer than older cars. Kudos to NHRA for taking a long, hard look at current cars and their performance capabilities before pulling the trigger on this change. Hopefully all these changes will encourage MORE people to "take it to the track" instead of all these "Mexican" street racers. Motorsports safety is a choice - make the one that is right for you and those who want to see you come home after a great day at the track.
I should be safe then. My '73 Mach 1 is not even close to having to have a roll cage. Even by the old rules lol!
How'd they choose the year? I wish they changed the year to 2003 when the cobra with a blower was introduced. That seemed to signify the change in the hp wars IMO.
I suspect it’s likely in line with NTSB safety requirements on the manufacturers.
Great video! Love drag racing! Thanks 🙂🙏
Thanks
Thanks for the explanation of the new rule, I hope it gets more people to the track!
.80 percent of the fatalities in rollover's weren't wearing their seat belt. So while a roll bar is always a good thing to have in a car or truck the oems have really improved the safety of their vehicles in the event of a roll over.NHRA may want to include some earlier cars and tracks as well.
I didnt read the NHRA rule book on the 2014 and newer rule ,but they need to add one exception, If the vehicle was ever deemed a total loss due to a collision , the vehicle owner needs to supply documentation that the car was repaired as instructed by the manufactures collision procedures and collision position statements , What does that mean? no sectioned frame rails, all welding must be done with the factory recommended welding wire whether it be a specific wire , steel ,aluminum panel bonding with the correct rivets and mig bronze when required or proof of repair by a factory certified collision shop , bolted on parts like doors fender hoods etc. excluded..All these new cars are made of HSS or UHSS, I've seen guys cut the frame section them with a standard MiG , One high speed collision and the motor will be sitting on the console or bend at the "A "pillar and you'll jamb the door closed, and all you need is one fatality and some lawyer will find the deepest pocket and its lawsuit city. not to minimize the loss of a life !
I've heard some good points, in favor of this, including someone who rolled their 2015 S550, and was OK from the structural integrity
Minimum rollover requirements for the pillars of modern cars is pretty ridiculous. As evidenced by the ridiculous size of said pillars of modern cars lol.
@@RyTrapp0 - Exactly. Modern roof structures are basically designed with built in roll bars. They protect not only against the roof caving in but the doors also protect from side impacts.
Thanks for the good information
I would still want at least a bolt-in 4 point bar to properly mount a harness...I have concerns that a factory seat belt would hold up well in a 150 mph crash, even with 27 air bags assisting it.
That's a nonsense concern - you really need to do some research on seat belts, their mechanisms, and the minimum loads that they're required to meet. Let's just say that you'll probably break bones in your body against the belts before the belts just give up.
I mean, it's not like these things aren't known quantities that have been around forever.
A family friend rolled his suv at 45 mph in the snow. 6'4" and 240 pounds. Metal trim inside the car cut the seatbelt on the A pillar. He survived but was beat to crap
Does anyone know about chute requirements? Doesn't a 150mph demand it regardless of the age of the car? I was turned down from a track in N.C. because my car didn't have a cage, and it's a 2023. Ultimately, I guess track management can call an audible if they want to.
Wish they would look at changing the rule on a boxed frame truck running 10.50
Hit the wall at 150 mph, I dont care how many crumple zones and air bags you have, your getting hurt!!!
Jump from a plane and your chute fails and you’re getting hurt. There’s risk in anything fun. But odds are most people who race a new car with the factory safety pieces in place will survive an accident.
@@revanevan no way. I'm not going 150 in a tin foil Pepsi can. Give me all the safety equipment. How about real race cars any changes.
I still put a roll cage in mine! Well worth it, I've seen cars roll, not a pretty site!
It should be all years for the same rules. Stuff like this is why NHRA is no good. Less and less people are showing up to there events and also pushing cars to the streets.
I don't understand how full purpose built, complete chassis cars that use to certify for 7.50 now only certs for 8.50, but this is going the opposite direction...
Do tracks actually check vehicle years? Would they find out if someone claimed their 2013 was a 2014? Asking for a friend...
It's going to depend on the track. It's not hard to check the door sill for the model year, and it's also not hard to acknowledge that a 2011 S197 Mustang is no less safe than a legal 2014 S197 Mustang.
Very interested to see if this brings some new people into the sport. At the very least, it will get street cars out to the track. Maybe they'll get hooked like the rest of us. The more people that get involved with the sport, the better off we all are!
couldn't agree more!
WOW…. That is fast. I almost considered not buying a blower because I thought it was still 11.0. But I need boost. Still haven’t hit 11.0 anyway. Close tho
Remember the car has to be 2014 or newer to qualify for the 5.65 - 125 / 9.00 - 150.
Ford and NMRA is the best....
the heck with the rest!
Hopefully these new rules will get some people to stop racing on the street and get out to the track.
This is unsafe street or track.
@@manderson3200 You miss the point I made.
I don't think it matters how well built these new cars are, that's still 150mph in the 1/4. All that crash and safety testing never takes speeds above 70mph into account.
Modern cars have a highly engineered stamped metal structure that acts like a “cage” in them.But designed to absorb impact in certain areas.
I cannot believe this, someone sure must have got a big kick back.
People keep saying that, but from who?
So,...What does Remains of a "No Bar" 2014 Look like after 3 or 4 150 mph Tumbles ?? .....Someone Is bound to Show us.......
Now the factories should build limited edition cars that go 9.0's out of the gate. Take advantage of the new rules and simultaneously take a dump on this Plaid trash. We all know it's doable. I realize that presently these manufacturers would prefer to EV themselves into irrelevancy, but how about going out with a bang?
That is real good news and it will help revive the sport overall and decrease street racing.
Unfortunately this probably won’t have that much impact on decreasing street racing due to the number of drag strips that continue to close all over the country.
@@danmyers9372 time will tell. Street racing has been around since horses have had hooves.
My uncle said to me on a street car you can install a roll cage but it illegal to install a full cage for the street ?
your insurance company won't like a bar or a cage
@@travispfannmuller7717 Thank you for the info Travis :)
Good info. I'm still considering a 2 or 4 pt cage. If for nothing else, for a 4 pt safety belt. Thanks Evan!
I wish this was for all cars period regardless of year make or model other than convertible or targa top
No stock production car will ever reach 9.0/150mph in 2022, but a stock Tesla S Plaid and Bugatti Chiron can do the 1/4 at over 150mph! Rimac Nevera does 8.6s at over 160mph stock!
Who said it had to be stock?
He's saying the modern cars can get deep into the 9s without having many mods at all that is what he was getting at not that they do it bone stock.
I'd like to see a 2014+newer Mustang Camaro etc smash into a wall in a crash test and then compare that to something that was actually made out of metal from the 60s-70s
That 2014 mustang is miles ahead in safety over anything built in the sixties and seventies.
Stupid rules If I have to have it in my drag car they needed too
Kind of a strange place to draw a line. My 2013 Mustang is identical to a 2014.
5.65 - 125 1/8 mile in case they didn't cover it.
Imagine the liabiity issues and physical issues of installing a roll bar in cars with multiple airbags. Sue happy lawyers would have a ball when a roll bar splits skull or disables an airbag.
Should've been done for 2003-on. Terminators, all Shelby's, and any 5.0 - if they can't run 11s, just a few bolt-ons will get you there. And forced induction will take you WAY past that.
I think he said they already dropped it to 10.0 the 9.0 is for 2014 and newer. 10.0 is still pretty fn fast.
Ppl the rule states 9.0 or 150 mph so you can modify your car performance wise with no roll bar unless you exceed the rule. So get to building Honda boys gonna be taking over and ruin the class
That's what up!!
Chill out guys alot of sheet cars that are stock are more safe then a gutted out 80s or 70s cars amd alot of newer sports cars jave a built in roll bar or buolt in stiffer seam lr something to help in roll overs
Man that sucks because my Mustang is a 2013
I don’t see them looking that closely.
The people who would never cage there car in the first place running in the nines are dancing in the streets. Really not enough data to support how these cars will survive in a 140 to 150 crash, even lower. How a car will hit a barrier or if you are hit on the side from another car crossing into your lane. Just as before you will have people pushing the limits into the eights until you get caught. Prime example was the Steeda car at Bradenton, 8.50@ 162 with a 6 point bolt in, no chute and a driver that just played dumb. If anyone should be setting a example it should be them. I was happy to see NMRA DQ them. If NHRA had made the cut off 2012 then the drivers of 2011 would bitch, so already I can here, the tracks won't check the year of the car so lets break the rules again. Time will tell.
Thanks
It's all good until someone gets killed, or crippled. People are killed by the thousands on I-95 with these factory safety features, and not at 150 MPH. I hope I never see anyone injured at the track, because of this.
So a car made out of Chinese steel and aluminum thinner then a washing machine metal and plastic all over is safer then the cars from the 60s and 70s? The only thing that makes it safer is the air bags and those things can still kill you. It's not about safely never has been.
Anytime you step into any car to rave you need to know there is a chance you so t exit that car alive I know that when I strap into my 900 hp Sprint car on asphalt wide open never lift
👍👍 should bring more people to the track . I don't have anything that new , but I think it's good 👌
I don't think tesla should be allowed in nhra no point in running my built Camaro that stays in the 9 second range cuse you gonna get beat by tesla plads. They should only allow gas or diesel or combustan engines only no electric cuse it's not traditional drag racing. They need to make electric class and no ekectrics in street class cuse that will kill it. But if you gonna race anytging please put a roll bar and window net in car guys and a racing harness with hans.
I’m not sure how I feel about this
Awe you need a safespace??
Glad they are reducing rules. We don't need more rules. My safety is in my hands should not have nhra telling me how to live my life.
The issue is the tracks insurance
Elon Musk bought the NHRA?
Sounds like a bad idea
If you want to feel safe, then racing is not for you.