Can everyone effing stop saying this game “SHOULDN’T BE BALANCED”??? If you implement a ranked system in a game, there has to be a balance. If this game didn’t have online system at all, I would not care at all.
Being unbalanced is fine, even for online play because the dp system is actually good. What's not fine is the core mechanics being unbalanced, I.e infinite vanish wars, instant sparking, infinite after image strike, androids infinite dash up and down (massive bullshit tbh) and this is just a few issues. The netcode is absolute ass, no crossplay ensured the games death on pc. I mean look at tekken, it has 5k concurrent players but it's crossplay so guess what, I can still play with the 500k plus other players that are still playing.
I don’t think it’s the Devs fault for trying to make a game that’s more lore accurate than balanced considering they said that’s their direction they stated they wanted to go, while it should be fixed, we should hold the community more accountable for abusing it, not discovering it but abusing it, and also expecting something else from their clearly stated mission statement.
Theres a big difference between having lore accurate characters vs having broken mechanics that shouldn't be in the game. The devs clearly want this game to have a ranked scene and you cannot have that unless your game has some kind of balance
@@syfykyExactly! Not to mention this is a sequel to an already established game franchise. They took out mechanics already established that helped balance the game already like Ki sickness for example.
@@syfyky Dude they clearly stated they werent not focused on balance. People praised this game Now people see the exploits and realize oh its not balance. Now they complain. You people goofy. Sounding like that dude complaining about his crazy gf when she said she was crazy
@@CyrusIsntI do agree, the people who were rooting for unbalanced in the beginning really look dumb being upset about it now but with the game devs saying the game wouldn’t have balance, they basically doomed the game. HOWEVER they are now trying to correct their mistakes
@@TheWindBlack This will still be unbalanced the systems in it just werent ment to be fair or espots worthy. They are literally better making a new game. All they are gonna end up doing is ruining the BT series.
I hate how we didnt get Great Ape Gohan. He deserves it. Also i dont think i ever noticed the Raditz Ape having a mullet and its amazing to seee all over again
If i recall.. the other player was actually doing the same thing but the TO said in a DM that he needs to play seriously or risk a DQ.. so he swapped teams and it cost him the match.. the android got away scot free even though he was still doing the thing that they threatened to DQ for.. they really should have enforced the DQ and gave the guy who actually tried playing the game the win.. now this dude is going to a bigger tournament and will do the same stuff
@TERIMAAKIAANKH0396 then why do i keep finding statements from shinryuu that state that he was given a choice.. im looking at screenshot of what he typed saying they gave him a false choice.. to either keep playing the same team and way and risk a double DQ or change teams.. sure the choice to change teams was still his but.. though they really shouldn't have said anything in the first place
It's not the players, the writing was on the wall and no one wanted to listen. Bamco basically never designed games for top level play in mind, they have always been designed for fun and fanservice first. Just because Esports exist, doesnt mean every game has to be played at the top level, honestly SZ will probably be at best a "Kusoge" tier fighter where the community acknowledge how broken it is and live with it (Look at "Fist of the North star" or Jojo fighting games, these games have SOOOO much jank but people acknowledge it). I'll say it again, if you want a traditional competitive fighter then play a traditional fighting game and stop trying to turn every game that has a competitive element into the next EVO mainstage title.
Was praying the devs would get some sleep after the game drop and I hope they did cause kudos to them for delivering a good game. I hope they back in the studio cooking though so we can have a better experience online and hopefully the hate train will stop by then
@@Pickle_McHip so where is the option to add more players to local tournament mode? where is the option to pick a map on local split screen? people complain about balancing but forgot how bt3 was played, with your friends, locally
The Devs Came Out And Said That Sparking Zero Isn’t Supposed To Be a Competitive Game. There’s Also A Big Patch Coming In December So To Say There Doing Nothing Is Just Wrong Y’all Just Gotta Be More Patient
the level of toxicity is unbleavable, so many countries tournaments passed was fine and cool until they come to this. yes its mecahnics in the game but its a choice to be toxic live in grand finals
Thank you. It’s literally a personal choice to play like this or not. Just because people can use it doesn’t mean it’s automatically the games fault 😭😭no it’s the players I’ve played tons of fighting games and Shi like this never used to happen in the past. And I’m not blaming the game I’m blaming the payers because people just play more sweaty than they used to literally ppl just bitch and moan
The DP system fixes the issue of having a lack of balanced high tiers. 1v1s don’t work in this type of game unless you’re fighting with the same level of character and thats fine considering this isn’t a competitive game.
U spittin BT3 but better is exactly what we needed not all the flashy ness of sparking it’s definitely a good game but it has a good bit of issues and it seems like they’re not talking with the community
Yall be so scared to take accountability. That's like saying gun makers should put better safetys on guns not my fault i shot someone. Like no you can choose to not be a coward
Real. Like yeah it's in the game, but this is something that'd get you kicked off my couch and house. Like you hop on the game to play and have fun. I hate losing, but this is ridiculous. I personally just play offline where I won't have to worry about excessive cheese. My trusted friends would never 💀
@quicksilver5198 thats what im saying and being that people aint playing on the couch or just with they friend its like the wild west out here. They have NO SAIYAN PRIDE Vegeta would spit on niggas like this you guys are the equivalent to Cui. And you see how he got handled.
Everygame has something you can exploit.... no games has nothing you cant exploit. Yes the devs can go in and fix but that is a never ending circle. At a certain point humanity has to kick in
While it wouldn't fix online play for tournament level it's very easy to simply put in the rules of the tournament this type of thing is not allowed. There was plenty of things like this in older fighting games that weren't patchable with exploits and things considered unfair in tournament level. Games like Melee with basically 90% of levels being banned and certain things like Ice climbers freeze grab glitch. IDK it's a mixed bag devs are never going to make a perfect game and people are always going to make new metas that are unfair or unfun so at tournament level it's up to the community to setup rules and such to have an overall good experience for players and viewers.
Sometimes I jsut want to box and have a stylish fight and people are just always on crack spamming ultimates or just relentlessly trying to trap me in combos. I don’t mind but damn it’s fun when you meet a chill player who wants to fight properly
Since custom game settings are a thing, Im surprised no one runs tourneys on canon Budokai Tenkaichi rules: Single Character, Flight Off, Ringout enabled
Yes people do find unindented shit that doesn’t excuse the devs it’s still their mistake it’s still on them. They need to be faster with fixing the problems
@1:40 what matters is fun it’s a fictional rank I don’t want to sweat every game I paid $70 to have fun not play a 9-5 in a game where they holding $50 tournaments it’s not criminal to enjoy yourself lol
Refusing to fight he should be disqualified In boxing you can clinch and hug but if you do you’ll be penalized. Just because it can be done and it’s a mechanic doesn’t make it ok; players 110% are the problem
Imagine telling people how they should play the game just because you don't like it LMAO, he refused to fight bcuz he can literally win without fighting in the first place by stalling and winning by default. So, It does fine what he did in the tournament, that's what the game literally is. Unbalanced just like you guys ask for. Now you are not okay about it? " Just becuz it can be done doesn't mean it ok " ? You can't even give a valid reason why it doesn't ok to abuse it when it's literally the game mechanic itself that allow it not even a Glitch or anything Hypocrites and Delusional af
@@misuvittupaa8068 it’s a good example I’m talking about deterring shit play; a boxer is free to run and hug like a punk the whole fight. He will be booed and points taken etc. and is boxing no a man made sport also? Idk you tell me. Bottom line if that guy plays like that again his opponent should automatically advance. What he did is worse than a spammer
1:40 and this is why yall kill the game you would never say this for Tekken Street Fighter MK or any game that requires skill to win this a Mickey Mouse mindset if you wan cheese to win good on you but you killing enjoyment for us both flying up and down for 5 minutes 20 times a day is not fun for you and I’m not saying you per say do this but that comment makes me feel like you might be on sum Mickey shi in all honesty
I think the intention with the Androids and their unlimited dragon dash was supposed to reflect the anime and manga where Androids never get tired, but they only gave it to 19 and 20 for some reason so the only thing I can imply from that decision is the testers thought 19 and 20 would be underpowered compared to the rest and needed something more than just their Ki recharging automatically. Which is kind of insane and would speak to how badly they alpha and beta tested this game.
The problem im realizing is that video games have become too mainstream and so developers instead of making games for gamers, are moreso making games for casuals. So in this case, as opposed to the developers making SZ for fans of the budokai tenkaichi series, they made a game trying to appeal to everyone. Fans of DB, casuals, BT fans, streamers etc. So now the game sucks and now the casuals come in defending the bs
@@CyrusIsnt You not slick. I saw your comment wishing for Xenoverse 3, yet another arena fighter. You don’t even own sparking zero and yet you’ve got such an opinion to comment as much as you do.
@MinusThePrevail Why would a buy yet another dbz game that retreads the same arcs? A franchise with a tone of mechinics and abilites that was said balancing was not a focus? A franchise that was never tournament tested. An arena fighter by bandai whos known for making bad anime games/ anime games that die off quick. And I fail to see my opinion they said balancing was not a focus, they gave a rank mode because people asked. BT3 while different still had cheese The game dropped people hyped it up hype clamed people dropped the game In 4 weeks time. If you where expecting a balanced competitve arena fighter bandai's closet thing to that was pokken. And it doesnt have an obbese roster. You people were tripping just except that, ask bandai for a balanced dbz area fighter if you want one. Dont bend this game that was never ment to be that into one. You just gonna shatter the game. Be reasonable
This game should have been balanced better to the point these tactics arent viable… But The problem with fighting games is we don’t shame people for playing in a lame fashion. But instead encourage them because the end goal isn’t fun but winning by any means... What is a lame gameplay style you say? Round start delay This games life span is going to be shorter then Mk’s if the devs don’t make a few changes. It’s mostly the devs fault for allowing this game play . But it’s also the communities fault since we encourage this
And this is exactly why games these days need some sort of gameplay balance . Certain characters are naturally going to be stronger but the spam and ability to not get punished when making bad decisions because the game will bail you out is annoying . Running all match instead of fighting because your character has a feature that the player can exploit isn’t fun. We played video games as kids because it was fun win or lose and now as adults we can’t enjoy those games any longer because games no longer are built with the love that they once had. Just a cash grab these days and to think this was the game that was going to put Xenoverse in the grave ? Shiiiiid
They f’d up? Yeah. But cash grab? No. Cash grab woulda meant no unique dialogue, no chi chi bulma and video commentating on things, copy and paste movesets, characters like king cold, nail, and piccolo (Kami fused) not being included and a 1/3 of the base roster being dlc
@ A half baked game is a cash grab. There is no depth to this game and even when they try to add new features it still feels rushed , There’s plenty of games that come out terrible upon release but with the way players are dropping off after years of waiting is a big disappointment on this game . Possibly can be fixed with a few patches but it’s going to be hard to reel fans back in after this .
So we know this was on purpose but watching this with the pauses, I think I may have figured it out. 1) you have to be directly underneath the ascending opponent. The z burst dash tracks their current position so if you’re dashing on an horizontal axis while they’re moving vertically you will miss them. I’ll need somebody to test this with me. 2) I also think dyspo’s max speed mode may be a plausible answer here. Along with TP moves like hit and goku have.
No, TP moves don't work, it has been tested. The only way to catch it is if the opponent is mid change direction, but if that's the way your essentially playing roulette to hope to hit the person ascending and descending. And that doesn't even work if the player doing that decided to short dash cancel out of the ascend descend, which is what he was doing.
@ ok tp is off the table. When I watched the match, I noticed that every time the flying player WAS caught, they were nearly directly under/over the opponent. Obviously mixing in short dashes makes this more difficult but it’s just something I noticed. Do you know if anyone has tested dyspo yet? He can fly kinda significantly faster than the rest of the cast so maybe something can be done there?
They shouldn't even have tournaments to begin with. It's a game most people are playing at home. If you want a competition DBZ game that's what fighterz is for...
Best way to fix competitive for Sparking Zero is to get rid of the competitive. This is game IS NOT meant to be a serious competitive fighter or balanced or otherwise. Screw Rank
broken shit has nothing to do with characters being stronger than another... they really should remove unblockables, raise instant spark to 6 to use, make z counter easier to use but maybe make it naruto with substitutions. i feel that will help alot
Anyway you look at it it's the developer's fault. The rules of the game are bad. (Stalling is how you win in DP battles, Androids can stall for free, Instant Sparking, glitches everywhere, etc.) The rules of the tournament were bad. (Androids 19 and 20 should have been banned or Elevator stalling should have been banned, the format should have been 3v3 to prevent time outs, etc.) You can't make a competitive tournament for money and then punish the players for playing optimally. I don't want to hear about "toxic" players or "honor" or any other bullshit. Games need GOOD RULES to be fun to play and watch. Period. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
That's not even the best part. The dude on the right was forced into using that team btw, he was initially using the same team as the guy on the left and was using the same optimal play style but got warned by the TO to "play seriously" or they could get disqualified (basically threatening them without explicitly saying) despite the fact that they were playing seriously.
I genuinely think sparking zero 2 will be out sooner than later because Bandai knows they messed up rushing this one. They just use the same format and revise the obvious flaws. If they don’t do this they simply do not care.
People are going to complain regardless about this game. It literally does not matter what you do. They will say it's cheap or cheese if they can't beat it. Instead of people getting mad at the developers, go get better at the damn game.
pro scene is pro scene most games look at least a little funky at high level but people doing this in like B5 is dumb, you don't even get anything for winning i just wanna know what these ppl are playing the game for
The players are playing the game the way it exists, and the way they enjoy it. You can't fault any random online player for not abiding by some nebulous rules on what characters or mechanics to use or not use, just because YOU don't think they're fun. Moving the onus of the game's mechanical shortcomings onto OTHER PEOPLE is extremely entitled and something that would get these players laughed at in an established fighting game community. I don't understand why people are so afraid of criticizing any part of this game, and will continue to blame other players instead of the game design being shallow. I guess all the "we BT3 veterans waited 17 years" shit just makes people unwilling to give their opinions out of fear of being ignored for having a dissenting one, even though the game is verifiably struggling.
We literally got over 3 examples of a better way to balance this game. I don’t get yall saying “oh it’s gonna be unbalanced that’s the players fault!” We could not see ts ever in other budokai tenkaichi or even Raging blast games.
I watched a video where some fool was saying “how can you blame the players for something the devs intentionally left in the game” idk how about having some damn pride and integrity and not using the broken and cheesy shit? The entire show of Dragon Ball shows the main characters having pride in their own abilities and not resorting to cheap tactics.
Dawg no. This isn’t the show, they are pushing a competitive scene for this jank ass game and this is the optimal way to play it, in a game where it’s so easy to die off of breathing incorrectly due to unblockables, instant sparking, etc etc
Bro imagine being a grown ass man and saying that the game is shit and stop using the term anime accurate that sounds childish af the game is unbalanced as fuck spike scammed yall
The villains use cheap tactics all the time, if you wanna argue anime accuracy, Dr.gero left the moment things got hairy. The game allows for this garbage, so yes, hating the game is indeed valid here. It was poorly programmed to allow this nonsense. When we find broken stuff in other fighting games, people will do the cheap tactic to win with stuff on the line, even just pride.
@@brandonsupreme8380I literally just saw a comment of yours calling this game “ass” and you just called Blud childish for saying the same thing… 💀 typical dbz new gen fan behavior
Definitely the play base ain’t no way he did that to expose the game son running away is a big bozo don’t matter what they fix gamers now are losers rage quit and rage hacking losers
How the hell did a 25 minute video get 2 likes within the 4 minutes it’s been up ? I can’t wait for that kinda support for my content & I definitely need the light skin gogeta😂😂😂💯
You can do thish with any charcter just use the item thhat allows dragon dash to not drain ki boom every character can do thish why would you play like thish tho if people are gonna play like thish get rid of the timer in online at that point they will be forced to fight making thish problem a quick and simple fix would do that
Nah I get it right, there should be changes but it’s boring as hell to see this many cowards online. Like I wouldn’t even feel joy winning like that but some people really wouldn’t mind hopping on for two hours just to stall into a higher rank. Corny. Get rid of the time limit and change the counter and vanish mechanics to avoid just endless chains of defensive mechanics. I’m awesome at it myself it’s just boring as hell when from c rank you have people that you can’t even hit one full combo string on
Bruh all they needed to do was put in new textures and new characters. Shouldnt have messed with the base game mechanics. If it aint broke dont fix it.
They can fix some issues in this game i agree totally.... but the core of the problem are these kids. It's this new generation of gamers today, smh..... They wanna say, "It's not the player it's the game." NO STUPID JUST CAUSE ITS IN THE GAME DOESN'T MEAN IT WAS MEANT FOR THAT DUMB PURPOSE YOUR USING IT FOR!! [So you can use dragon rush awesome right?! But it's for getting to your opponent quick closing the gap, but it wasn't meant for you to just go up and down till the timer runs out] so no it's not the developers fault its this new generation of kids today who's ruining the games
There's a difference playing at a casual level and competitive. Competitive means securing the W by any means. You'll see a lot of lame things at tournament level matches in any game. Hell, i remember watching some Mortal Kombat stuff, and I remember a Liu Kang shooting nothing at fireballs. It was lame but it worked. Other dude couldn't get past it.
I honestly think that android user should be banned from the game. This competitive meta gaming (like being ‘good’ at one random game means anything in life)actively ruins any bit of fun for the entire player base. Not hard to see why it lost 90% of players
Idk man, one vid you said the game should be unbalanced to reflect the canon characters, now you say androids should run out of ki? Not defending androids but bro.. :/
Watch the Dragon ball z BT3 commercial thats what the game was based on. Bandai said they didnt balance it Players begged for a tournament This not the players, they dont want fun. They wanted techs and ranked and sweatyness
BT3 is not like this, hell that was why the BT3 community even said that 19 20 were going to be a problem. Hell they even told Bandai hey you should probably ban these characters but bandai ignored those warning because banning characters like this is admitting that they fked up, which they did.
@@phantoomart699 Read the comment again, this game regardless was ment to be played with the bro mindless fun. For kids. I think a lot of people forgot who games use to be made for and why we ise to play them. Not saying adults cant play it, but by no means were we dissecting games this heavily. At ages 7-14 This is why i refused to buy this game that experince aint coming back with how people play now. I am fine with my childhood memories. If you want to z vanish 2 mins cool 🤣
@brandonsupreme8380 I am not a kid on the couch anymore. 😂 The devs also told me what it was why would i not believe them 🤣 I am glad it exist, but this was never gonna please everybody. Whens xenoverse 3 😂
guys its made by jumpforce thats why its a lil mid bro you cant even kill a character with a gut punch and they stun then fall nope everyone just flies off like its jumpforce no matter how you hit them
I was a raging blast kid I never got to play the budokai games even though I knew about them. All these years later it still looks COOL AF! That gogeta costume looks straight out of fan art that’s clean af
I seen this i have to say it is alot of toxicity in this community you have people like me who love this game and are hardcore fans of the sparking series and on the other hand you have the toxic side of the community that just wants to see this game Fail and dead I'm not saying that the game doesn't have problems with it it does but so did the previous games i don't want a perfectly Balance game at the end of the day no fighting game is perfectly Balanced not street fighter 6 not mortal kombat 1 not tekken 8
Bro switch opinions every day at this point, at one point it’s about having fun and none of this matters, today it’s, all that matters is victory, when your first point was true. No one bought this game to win every match, and if they did they’re stupid, it’s not happening. What they did do, is buy this game to do is have fun, and at some point it’s inherently not fun for everyone involved to just play in the most obnoxious way possible. I’m so tired of nothing ever being the public or the community’s responsibility, the public sphere is composed of individuals and those individuals do matter in discerning the overall community and what we value, and 70% of individuals are dedicated to ruining the experience of others and themselves, and it shows. You brought me back when you busted out the Wii
@ I’m on the same team he is I enjoy this game and it could be fixed or we as a community could do better and just play to have fun? That was my point.
@@BadDadEnergy People bought they game wanting the kind of fun they had before, but when the mechanics are so drastically lesser from what we had before, people are gonna feel slighted. Especially if you're like me and actually enjoyed the depth the game had even if I was no pro. I have fun with this game, but I think the disappointment is warranted.
The game is balanced, most people just either don't know how to use items or just straight up refuse to sit in training mode for a little bit and figure out how to play, outside of giants the playing field isn't super rigged, people just need to try playing as more than just ui goku (edit: also, I don't want any more nerfs, punishing players for doing good by breaking a character does nothing , if a character is "broken" they need to buff other characters of the same dp to match that standard)
It’s not the devs fault it’s the player base smh this is kinda why I stopped playing sparking zero really i knew there was a tournament but I knew someone was going to pull off some ignorant nonsensical cheese it’s the player base it’s toxic
Yea this guys hair says it all lmaooo bruh u bugging this was just horrible to watch honestly I don’t even wanna play nomore because so many people quit on me
there is no counter to this. go ahead, try to tell me a counter play that can work more than 50% of the time heck try to tell me an option that works more than 20% of the time.
Dumb people like u need to not comment the point is fixing the game not beat it with a counter move which is near impossible these guys are high lvl game play u think u can beat abuser like this no he wants that money
Refusing to fight he should be disqualified In boxing you can clinch and hug but if you do you’ll be penalized. Just because it can be done and it’s a mechanic doesn’t make it ok; players 110% are the problem
Can everyone effing stop saying this game “SHOULDN’T BE BALANCED”??? If you implement a ranked system in a game, there has to be a balance. If this game didn’t have online system at all, I would not care at all.
Thank you!
No one is saying this anymore, everyone wants it to be balanced.
It can be imbalanced but not two characters that can do what these two androids do, and many other broken mechanics this game has
@@TheSparkingZeroNoob Trust me, I still see this.
Being unbalanced is fine, even for online play because the dp system is actually good. What's not fine is the core mechanics being unbalanced, I.e infinite vanish wars, instant sparking, infinite after image strike, androids infinite dash up and down (massive bullshit tbh) and this is just a few issues. The netcode is absolute ass, no crossplay ensured the games death on pc. I mean look at tekken, it has 5k concurrent players but it's crossplay so guess what, I can still play with the 500k plus other players that are still playing.
I don’t think it’s the Devs fault for trying to make a game that’s more lore accurate than balanced considering they said that’s their direction they stated they wanted to go, while it should be fixed, we should hold the community more accountable for abusing it, not discovering it but abusing it, and also expecting something else from their clearly stated mission statement.
Theres a big difference between having lore accurate characters vs having broken mechanics that shouldn't be in the game. The devs clearly want this game to have a ranked scene and you cannot have that unless your game has some kind of balance
@@syfykyExactly! Not to mention this is a sequel to an already established game franchise. They took out mechanics already established that helped balance the game already like Ki sickness for example.
@@syfyky Dude they clearly stated they werent not focused on balance.
People praised this game
Now people see the exploits and realize oh its not balance.
Now they complain.
You people goofy. Sounding like that dude complaining about his crazy gf when she said she was crazy
@@CyrusIsntI do agree, the people who were rooting for unbalanced in the beginning really look dumb being upset about it now but with the game devs saying the game wouldn’t have balance, they basically doomed the game. HOWEVER they are now trying to correct their mistakes
@@TheWindBlack This will still be unbalanced the systems in it just werent ment to be fair or espots worthy.
They are literally better making a new game. All they are gonna end up doing is ruining the BT series.
I hate how we didnt get Great Ape Gohan. He deserves it. Also i dont think i ever noticed the Raditz Ape having a mullet and its amazing to seee all over again
If i recall.. the other player was actually doing the same thing but the TO said in a DM that he needs to play seriously or risk a DQ.. so he swapped teams and it cost him the match.. the android got away scot free even though he was still doing the thing that they threatened to DQ for.. they really should have enforced the DQ and gave the guy who actually tried playing the game the win.. now this dude is going to a bigger tournament and will do the same stuff
Bro false news, confirmed by the commentator of this battle on his yt page. Shiryu has commented on the post himself
@TERIMAAKIAANKH0396 then why do i keep finding statements from shinryuu that state that he was given a choice.. im looking at screenshot of what he typed saying they gave him a false choice.. to either keep playing the same team and way and risk a double DQ or change teams.. sure the choice to change teams was still his but.. though they really shouldn't have said anything in the first place
@ yeah I agree they should not have said anything and that’s where things got messy. I think shiryu did what he did on purpose and for good reason.
Update.. they appearantly disqualified and banned both players
@@Ninkitsue yeah I saw , unfortunate more for hilliyester as he tried to change teams even though he didn’t have to
It's not the players, the writing was on the wall and no one wanted to listen. Bamco basically never designed games for top level play in mind, they have always been designed for fun and fanservice first. Just because Esports exist, doesnt mean every game has to be played at the top level, honestly SZ will probably be at best a "Kusoge" tier fighter where the community acknowledge how broken it is and live with it (Look at "Fist of the North star" or Jojo fighting games, these games have SOOOO much jank but people acknowledge it). I'll say it again, if you want a traditional competitive fighter then play a traditional fighting game and stop trying to turn every game that has a competitive element into the next EVO mainstage title.
Why even turn a dbz game into evo its not happening
@@brandonsupreme8380 i get what you're trying to say, but you can't just do FighterZ like that
@galanga21890 fighterz is comp tho
@@galanga21890 i meant with dbz game sparking zero
It's the players too. They aren't even playing the game here. It's garbage. They should have DQs for that
Was praying the devs would get some sleep after the game drop and I hope they did cause kudos to them for delivering a good game. I hope they back in the studio cooking though so we can have a better experience online and hopefully the hate train will stop by then
BT3 was my favorite game. I wish sparking wouldve implemented alot of what was in it.
And it did
@@Pickle_McHip
so where is the option to add more players to local tournament mode?
where is the option to pick a map on local split screen?
people complain about balancing but forgot how bt3 was played, with your friends, locally
The Devs Came Out And Said That Sparking Zero Isn’t Supposed To Be a Competitive Game. There’s Also A Big Patch Coming In December So To Say There Doing Nothing Is Just Wrong Y’all Just Gotta Be More Patient
Thank you, no one is listening to the devs but they love to bitch and moan when it’s their fault anyways for playing that way
the level of toxicity is unbleavable, so many countries tournaments passed was fine and cool until they come to this. yes its mecahnics in the game but its a choice to be toxic live in grand finals
Thank you. It’s literally a personal choice to play like this or not. Just because people can use it doesn’t mean it’s automatically the games fault 😭😭no it’s the players I’ve played tons of fighting games and Shi like this never used to happen in the past. And I’m not blaming the game I’m blaming the payers because people just play more sweaty than they used to literally ppl just bitch and moan
The DP system fixes the issue of having a lack of balanced high tiers. 1v1s don’t work in this type of game unless you’re fighting with the same level of character and thats fine considering this isn’t a competitive game.
I had 4 rage quits back to back yesterday I should be S rank by now I more then deserve to be there most these guys need to go back to B5
U spittin BT3 but better is exactly what we needed not all the flashy ness of sparking it’s definitely a good game but it has a good bit of issues and it seems like they’re not talking with the community
Yall be so scared to take accountability. That's like saying gun makers should put better safetys on guns not my fault i shot someone. Like no you can choose to not be a coward
Real. Like yeah it's in the game, but this is something that'd get you kicked off my couch and house. Like you hop on the game to play and have fun. I hate losing, but this is ridiculous. I personally just play offline where I won't have to worry about excessive cheese. My trusted friends would never 💀
@quicksilver5198 thats what im saying and being that people aint playing on the couch or just with they friend its like the wild west out here. They have NO SAIYAN PRIDE Vegeta would spit on niggas like this you guys are the equivalent to Cui. And you see how he got handled.
Everygame has something you can exploit.... no games has nothing you cant exploit. Yes the devs can go in and fix but that is a never ending circle. At a certain point humanity has to kick in
Everyone takes gaming way too serious now they all think they can make careers out of it the state of gaming was ruined by Fortnite streamers
@@simbaleo15 TALK TO EM
While it wouldn't fix online play for tournament level it's very easy to simply put in the rules of the tournament this type of thing is not allowed. There was plenty of things like this in older fighting games that weren't patchable with exploits and things considered unfair in tournament level. Games like Melee with basically 90% of levels being banned and certain things like Ice climbers freeze grab glitch. IDK it's a mixed bag devs are never going to make a perfect game and people are always going to make new metas that are unfair or unfun so at tournament level it's up to the community to setup rules and such to have an overall good experience for players and viewers.
This is an example of why the Androids need to be patched imo
Yep giants too afterimagie timer too idk if there is a way for it they need tp fix this whole game
Who buys a dragon ball game to run away
Exactly.
Sometimes I jsut want to box and have a stylish fight and people are just always on crack spamming ultimates or just relentlessly trying to trap me in combos. I don’t mind but damn it’s fun when you meet a chill player who wants to fight properly
Simple solution: character ban list for tournaments
Since custom game settings are a thing, Im surprised no one runs tourneys on canon Budokai Tenkaichi rules: Single Character, Flight Off, Ringout enabled
It’s the player base regardless of what the devs do people are gonna find loop holes and exploit them
Saying
Yes people do find unindented shit that doesn’t excuse the devs it’s still their mistake it’s still on them. They need to be faster with fixing the problems
@1:40 what matters is fun it’s a fictional rank I don’t want to sweat every game I paid $70 to have fun not play a 9-5 in a game where they holding $50 tournaments it’s not criminal to enjoy yourself lol
Refusing to fight he should be disqualified
In boxing you can clinch and hug but if you do you’ll be penalized. Just because it can be done and it’s a mechanic doesn’t make it ok; players 110% are the problem
You don't change rules midgame in boxing. If they didn't want these mechanics in the game the developers should have adjusted them.
You can't change the mechanics in boxing. In games mechanics are manmade. Bad example.
Imagine telling people how they should play the game just because you don't like it LMAO, he refused to fight bcuz he can literally win without fighting in the first place by stalling and winning by default. So, It does fine what he did in the tournament, that's what the game literally is. Unbalanced just like you guys ask for. Now you are not okay about it?
" Just becuz it can be done doesn't mean it ok " ? You can't even give a valid reason why it doesn't ok to abuse it when it's literally the game mechanic itself that allow it not even a Glitch or anything
Hypocrites and Delusional af
@@misuvittupaa8068 it’s a good example I’m talking about deterring shit play; a boxer is free to run and hug like a punk the whole fight. He will be booed and points taken etc.
and is boxing no a man made sport also? Idk you tell me.
Bottom line if that guy plays like that again his opponent should automatically advance. What he did is worse than a spammer
@ any rules in a sport can be changed, name me one sport that has remained the same with 0 changes since it’s conception. Don’t worry I’ll wait
the giant characters be looking tiny when looking back at this game now
1:40 and this is why yall kill the game you would never say this for Tekken Street Fighter MK or any game that requires skill to win this a Mickey Mouse mindset if you wan cheese to win good on you but you killing enjoyment for us both flying up and down for 5 minutes 20 times a day is not fun for you and I’m not saying you per say do this but that comment makes me feel like you might be on sum Mickey shi in all honesty
Facts tbh
I’m glad he pulled up the old game to prove it lol
I think the intention with the Androids and their unlimited dragon dash was supposed to reflect the anime and manga where Androids never get tired, but they only gave it to 19 and 20 for some reason so the only thing I can imply from that decision is the testers thought 19 and 20 would be underpowered compared to the rest and needed something more than just their Ki recharging automatically. Which is kind of insane and would speak to how badly they alpha and beta tested this game.
Also the damage is crazy high in sparking zero which I don’t mind in DP but singles, you die so fast lol
You aren't even safe in single battles
The problem im realizing is that video games have become too mainstream and so developers instead of making games for gamers, are moreso making games for casuals. So in this case, as opposed to the developers making SZ for fans of the budokai tenkaichi series, they made a game trying to appeal to everyone. Fans of DB, casuals, BT fans, streamers etc. So now the game sucks and now the casuals come in defending the bs
Ohhhhh reallly man i thougjt yall dbz tards were smarter than this look at naruto its casual too yall so weird dbz will not be comp cmon now
It’s not even casuals it’s fanboys
@@TheDarkGBJ games for gamers? Area fighters 😂😂 you lost my man
@@CyrusIsnt You not slick. I saw your comment wishing for Xenoverse 3, yet another arena fighter. You don’t even own sparking zero and yet you’ve got such an opinion to comment as much as you do.
@MinusThePrevail Why would a buy yet another dbz game that retreads the same arcs?
A franchise with a tone of mechinics and abilites that was said balancing was not a focus? A franchise that was never tournament tested.
An arena fighter by bandai whos known for making bad anime games/ anime games that die off quick.
And I fail to see my opinion they said balancing was not a focus, they gave a rank mode because people asked.
BT3 while different still had cheese
The game dropped people hyped it up
hype clamed people dropped the game
In 4 weeks time.
If you where expecting a balanced competitve arena fighter bandai's closet thing to that was pokken. And it doesnt have an obbese roster.
You people were tripping just except that, ask bandai for a balanced dbz area fighter if you want one. Dont bend this game that was never ment to be that into one. You just gonna shatter the game.
Be reasonable
Was dying for you to cover this it's so funny u just talked about this being a problem and boom look at that it happens lol
1:04 don’t tell this to Elden Ring fans
This game should have been balanced better to the point these tactics arent viable… But The problem with fighting games is we don’t shame people for playing in a lame fashion. But instead encourage them because the end goal isn’t fun but winning by any means...
What is a lame gameplay style you say?
Round start delay
This games life span is going to be shorter then Mk’s if the devs don’t make a few changes. It’s mostly the devs fault for allowing this game play . But it’s also the communities fault since we encourage this
ironic how this is deemed the "DRAMATIC SHOWDOWN" at the bottom
And this is exactly why games these days need some sort of gameplay balance . Certain characters are naturally going to be stronger but the spam and ability to not get punished when making bad decisions because the game will bail you out is annoying . Running all match instead of fighting because your character has a feature that the player can exploit isn’t fun. We played video games as kids because it was fun win or lose and now as adults we can’t enjoy those games any longer because games no longer are built with the love that they once had. Just a cash grab these days and to think this was the game that was going to put Xenoverse in the grave ? Shiiiiid
Nope xeno is still alive ppl are just dumb
They f’d up? Yeah. But cash grab? No. Cash grab woulda meant no unique dialogue, no chi chi bulma and video commentating on things, copy and paste movesets, characters like king cold, nail, and piccolo (Kami fused) not being included and a 1/3 of the base roster being dlc
@ A half baked game is a cash grab. There is no depth to this game and even when they try to add new features it still feels rushed , There’s plenty of games that come out terrible upon release but with the way players are dropping off after years of waiting is a big disappointment on this game . Possibly can be fixed with a few patches but it’s going to be hard to reel fans back in after this .
@mths7 the fact that this game was in development for 5 years and is thisntrash tells mr their main focus was making cash
@@brandonsupreme8380 😮💨facts
So we know this was on purpose but watching this with the pauses, I think I may have figured it out.
1) you have to be directly underneath the ascending opponent. The z burst dash tracks their current position so if you’re dashing on an horizontal axis while they’re moving vertically you will miss them.
I’ll need somebody to test this with me.
2) I also think dyspo’s max speed mode may be a plausible answer here. Along with TP moves like hit and goku have.
No, TP moves don't work, it has been tested. The only way to catch it is if the opponent is mid change direction, but if that's the way your essentially playing roulette to hope to hit the person ascending and descending. And that doesn't even work if the player doing that decided to short dash cancel out of the ascend descend, which is what he was doing.
@ ok tp is off the table. When I watched the match, I noticed that every time the flying player WAS caught, they were nearly directly under/over the opponent. Obviously mixing in short dashes makes this more difficult but it’s just something I noticed. Do you know if anyone has tested dyspo yet? He can fly kinda significantly faster than the rest of the cast so maybe something can be done there?
Yes the game needs a lot of fixes and also waaay more content that was missing compared to BT3
If you play like this, the word “honor” it’s not for you
there is never honor. only victory.
Ya first time plsykng a competitive fighting game I guess
They shouldn't even have tournaments to begin with. It's a game most people are playing at home. If you want a competition DBZ game that's what fighterz is for...
The developers need to start putting penalties in ranked matches for characters to not spam certain things or maybe make them do weaker damage.
Bro everything you’ve said here was facts and would love to run matches with u sumtime
The fake the winner looks like soy jack irl makes this 10× funnier 😂
If I see this in ranked I’m crashing out
Best way to fix competitive for Sparking Zero is to get rid of the competitive. This is game IS NOT meant to be a serious competitive fighter or balanced or otherwise. Screw Rank
broken shit has nothing to do with characters being stronger than another... they really should remove unblockables, raise instant spark to 6 to use, make z counter easier to use but maybe make it naruto with substitutions. i feel that will help alot
Anyway you look at it it's the developer's fault.
The rules of the game are bad. (Stalling is how you win in DP battles, Androids can stall for free, Instant Sparking, glitches everywhere, etc.)
The rules of the tournament were bad.
(Androids 19 and 20 should have been banned or Elevator stalling should have been banned, the format should have been 3v3 to prevent time outs, etc.)
You can't make a competitive tournament for money and then punish the players for playing optimally.
I don't want to hear about "toxic" players or "honor" or any other bullshit. Games need GOOD RULES to be fun to play and watch. Period. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
That's not even the best part. The dude on the right was forced into using that team btw, he was initially using the same team as the guy on the left and was using the same optimal play style but got warned by the TO to "play seriously" or they could get disqualified (basically threatening them without explicitly saying) despite the fact that they were playing seriously.
Even more crazy the T.O got mad at both of them for this 💀💀💀 like what
I genuinely think sparking zero 2 will be out sooner than later because Bandai knows they messed up rushing this one. They just use the same format and revise the obvious flaws. If they don’t do this they simply do not care.
14:25 bruh I’m mad the Uub beam recovery is so much faster in this game too! 😤
Idk I destroyed someone with Krillin and they were super Saiyan Goku I feel like it's fine it just needs more game modes!
People are going to complain regardless about this game. It literally does not matter what you do. They will say it's cheap or cheese if they can't beat it. Instead of people getting mad at the developers, go get better at the damn game.
pro scene is pro scene most games look at least a little funky at high level but people doing this in like B5 is dumb, you don't even get anything for winning i just wanna know what these ppl are playing the game for
honestly maybe they should just make a tournament specific version
The players are playing the game the way it exists, and the way they enjoy it. You can't fault any random online player for not abiding by some nebulous rules on what characters or mechanics to use or not use, just because YOU don't think they're fun.
Moving the onus of the game's mechanical shortcomings onto OTHER PEOPLE is extremely entitled and something that would get these players laughed at in an established fighting game community.
I don't understand why people are so afraid of criticizing any part of this game, and will continue to blame other players instead of the game design being shallow. I guess all the "we BT3 veterans waited 17 years" shit just makes people unwilling to give their opinions out of fear of being ignored for having a dissenting one, even though the game is verifiably struggling.
We literally got over 3 examples of a better way to balance this game. I don’t get yall saying “oh it’s gonna be unbalanced that’s the players fault!” We could not see ts ever in other budokai tenkaichi or even Raging blast games.
I didn't see not one combo get interrupted in BT3
Can you spam instant sparking in the prior games like kefla can in this game
I watched a video where some fool was saying “how can you blame the players for something the devs intentionally left in the game” idk how about having some damn pride and integrity and not using the broken and cheesy shit?
The entire show of Dragon Ball shows the main characters having pride in their own abilities and not resorting to cheap tactics.
Dawg no. This isn’t the show, they are pushing a competitive scene for this jank ass game and this is the optimal way to play it, in a game where it’s so easy to die off of breathing incorrectly due to unblockables, instant sparking, etc etc
Dog if im playing with money on the line then i'm playing to win, this isn't some anime where you sit there and give your opponent a senzu bean
Bro imagine being a grown ass man and saying that the game is shit and stop using the term anime accurate that sounds childish af the game is unbalanced as fuck spike scammed yall
The villains use cheap tactics all the time, if you wanna argue anime accuracy, Dr.gero left the moment things got hairy. The game allows for this garbage, so yes, hating the game is indeed valid here. It was poorly programmed to allow this nonsense. When we find broken stuff in other fighting games, people will do the cheap tactic to win with stuff on the line, even just pride.
@@brandonsupreme8380I literally just saw a comment of yours calling this game “ass” and you just called Blud childish for saying the same thing… 💀 typical dbz new gen fan behavior
Definitely the play base ain’t no way he did that to expose the game son running away is a big bozo don’t matter what they fix gamers now are losers rage quit and rage hacking losers
How the hell did a 25 minute video get 2 likes within the 4 minutes it’s been up ? I can’t wait for that kinda support for my content & I definitely need the light skin gogeta😂😂😂💯
What matters is to have fun❤
"the point is victory" well the last 4 players can keep tryin to victor each other alone 😂
I can hear a cat. Meow meow meow
Dont stop posting you are my one and only sparking dude
You can do thish with any charcter just use the item thhat allows dragon dash to not drain ki boom every character can do thish why would you play like thish tho if people are gonna play like thish get rid of the timer in online at that point they will be forced to fight making thish problem a quick and simple fix would do that
You underestimate how much some people live to troll. They will do this till you rage quit.
You lost everyone at “just use the item”.
They didnt had items on cmon now the game needs to be fixed
Nah I get it right, there should be changes but it’s boring as hell to see this many cowards online. Like I wouldn’t even feel joy winning like that but some people really wouldn’t mind hopping on for two hours just to stall into a higher rank. Corny. Get rid of the time limit and change the counter and vanish mechanics to avoid just endless chains of defensive mechanics. I’m awesome at it myself it’s just boring as hell when from c rank you have people that you can’t even hit one full combo string on
They also need to fix Dragon Ball The Breakers
I barley play this game anymore , it’s starting to get boring tbh
Why didn’t he just move towards him and throw hands ?
It's fights like this that makes me happy to quit out the game with hardly any penalties. Play like a jackass? Bet. Get nothing in return
Luckily there’s alot of characters that can attack straight up so this is annoying but not unbeatable.
Bruh all they needed to do was put in new textures and new characters. Shouldnt have messed with the base game mechanics. If it aint broke dont fix it.
Just use instant transmission as they go up or down then snipe them with a kamehameha is really that simple since is just timing
They will be locked off thanks to instant transmission and even giants could be used to beat this strat like seriously a giant destroys this strat
They can fix some issues in this game i agree totally.... but the core of the problem are these kids. It's this new generation of gamers today, smh..... They wanna say, "It's not the player it's the game." NO STUPID JUST CAUSE ITS IN THE GAME DOESN'T MEAN IT WAS MEANT FOR THAT DUMB PURPOSE YOUR USING IT FOR!! [So you can use dragon rush awesome right?! But it's for getting to your opponent quick closing the gap, but it wasn't meant for you to just go up and down till the timer runs out] so no it's not the developers fault its this new generation of kids today who's ruining the games
no. people will always abuse a broken system whether it's a video game or real life.
and the solution is to fix the system.
I’m glad it happened, the game needs an overhaul otherwise consider it a party game Simple as that
There's a difference playing at a casual level and competitive. Competitive means securing the W by any means. You'll see a lot of lame things at tournament level matches in any game. Hell, i remember watching some Mortal Kombat stuff, and I remember a Liu Kang shooting nothing at fireballs. It was lame but it worked. Other dude couldn't get past it.
yeah this is awful lmao how did the tournament allow this
They should’ve just copied BT3 mechanics instead of overcompensating them this just ruins the game as a whole for everyone
Bro is spittin 🔥
I honestly think that android user should be banned from the game. This competitive meta gaming (like being ‘good’ at one random game means anything in life)actively ruins any bit of fun for the entire player base. Not hard to see why it lost 90% of players
"don't hate the player hate the game." is a very popular phrase for a reason.
Idk man, one vid you said the game should be unbalanced to reflect the canon characters, now you say androids should run out of ki? Not defending androids but bro.. :/
He said the system mechanics need balancing. NOT CHARACTER BALANCING
Watch the Dragon ball z BT3 commercial thats what the game was based on.
Bandai said they didnt balance it
Players begged for a tournament
This not the players, they dont want fun. They wanted techs and ranked and sweatyness
BT3 is not like this, hell that was why the BT3 community even said that 19 20 were going to be a problem. Hell they even told Bandai hey you should probably ban these characters but bandai ignored those warning because banning characters like this is admitting that they fked up, which they did.
@@phantoomart699 Read the comment again, this game regardless was ment to be played with the bro mindless fun. For kids.
I think a lot of people forgot who games use to be made for and why we ise to play them.
Not saying adults cant play it, but by no means were we dissecting games this heavily. At ages 7-14
This is why i refused to buy this game that experince aint coming back with how people play now. I am fine with my childhood memories. If you want to z vanish 2 mins cool 🤣
@@CyrusIsntfacts aint buying this trash game either
@brandonsupreme8380 I am not a kid on the couch anymore. 😂
The devs also told me what it was why would i not believe them 🤣
I am glad it exist, but this was never gonna please everybody.
Whens xenoverse 3 😂
i didnt own bt3 as a kid only bt2 loved thats game tho
guys its made by jumpforce thats why its a lil mid bro you cant even kill a character with a gut punch and they stun then fall nope everyone just flies off like its jumpforce no matter how you hit them
Lmao who would play this game competitively
Love this game but getting death threats because i use to many supers is crazy😅
probably a dumb kid getting mad
That Game Looks Terrible. I’d Much Rather Play Sparking Zero Even With All The Cheese.
I was a raging blast kid I never got to play the budokai games even though I knew about them.
All these years later it still looks COOL AF! That gogeta costume looks straight out of fan art that’s clean af
Goku(mid) and roshi > the cannon
Bro just stop with the "cant blame the players" BS. You can choose to actually play the game. This is such garbage as competitors.
I seen this i have to say it is alot of toxicity in this community you have people like me who love this game and are hardcore fans of the sparking series and on the other hand you have the toxic side of the community that just wants to see this game Fail and dead I'm not saying that the game doesn't have problems with it it does but so did the previous games i don't want a perfectly Balance game at the end of the day no fighting game is perfectly Balanced not street fighter 6 not mortal kombat 1 not tekken 8
But the game is "perfect" right?
No one said it’s perfect dumbass
Bro switch opinions every day at this point, at one point it’s about having fun and none of this matters, today it’s, all that matters is victory, when your first point was true.
No one bought this game to win every match, and if they did they’re stupid, it’s not happening.
What they did do, is buy this game to do is have fun, and at some point it’s inherently not fun for everyone involved to just play in the most obnoxious way possible. I’m so tired of nothing ever being the public or the community’s responsibility, the public sphere is composed of individuals and those individuals do matter in discerning the overall community and what we value, and 70% of individuals are dedicated to ruining the experience of others and themselves, and it shows.
You brought me back when you busted out the Wii
We told him he will be one of the last few players if the game doesn't change. He said he loves it well now he can love a dead game
@ I’m on the same team he is I enjoy this game and it could be fixed or we as a community could do better and just play to have fun? That was my point.
@@hvyarms4496bro just get off my game lil bro let your balls sweat dry
@@hvyarms4496 imagine caring if a game is dead or not
@@BadDadEnergy People bought they game wanting the kind of fun they had before, but when the mechanics are so drastically lesser from what we had before, people are gonna feel slighted. Especially if you're like me and actually enjoyed the depth the game had even if I was no pro. I have fun with this game, but I think the disappointment is warranted.
Yuh
The game is balanced, most people just either don't know how to use items or just straight up refuse to sit in training mode for a little bit and figure out how to play, outside of giants the playing field isn't super rigged, people just need to try playing as more than just ui goku (edit: also, I don't want any more nerfs, punishing players for doing good by breaking a character does nothing , if a character is "broken" they need to buff other characters of the same dp to match that standard)
You're an insane person
The people who play this game more than you and are better than you are saying this game needs fixing
You sound fucking dumb then why yall niggas complain about connections then get gut besides that the game is broken and your a z broly user
The devs said the game isn’t balanced. What are you talking about
game so balanced that everyone just so happens to run only the androids or ssj4 gogeta
It’s not the devs fault it’s the player base smh this is kinda why I stopped playing sparking zero really i knew there was a tournament but I knew someone was going to pull off some ignorant nonsensical cheese it’s the player base it’s toxic
no the game is broken and the players abused it. so fix the game so it can't be abused.
@ that’s sad I still feel like it boils down to players I mean yea the game maybe broke but it’s to the player to play responsibly
ayo ceros how big is you cxck ? you a top right ? just asking for a friend
8.5, I used to bottom for him back in the day.
@@notsans9995 thats to smol dam i'll tell my fried they have to look elsewhere
Yea this guys hair says it all lmaooo bruh u bugging this was just horrible to watch honestly I don’t even wanna play nomore because so many people quit on me
Zero is ass bt3 was better
@@brandonsupreme8380exactly wtf his hair gotta do with spittin fax’s cause that’s what he’s doing.
@@3rdwavemedia906 op is so weird ong
Delete your game this is weak asf
This just a system that players can learn to play against and punish those abusing it
there is no counter to this. go ahead, try to tell me a counter play that can work more than 50% of the time heck try to tell me an option that works more than 20% of the time.
Dumb people like u need to not comment the point is fixing the game not beat it with a counter move which is near impossible these guys are high lvl game play u think u can beat abuser like this no he wants that money
Refusing to fight he should be disqualified
In boxing you can clinch and hug but if you do you’ll be penalized. Just because it can be done and it’s a mechanic doesn’t make it ok; players 110% are the problem