Is Lolita Fashion Related To The Book? 🎀 Advice & Debunking Myths About Lolita w/ Tiffany & Tempest
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
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Come chill, hang out, and listen to 3 friends talk all about Lolita Fashion. My friends Tiffany (@milkcircus) & Tempest (@tempestpaige) both combined have more than a decade of experience with Lolita Fashion and are both extremely passionate about it. Recently, I and many others have noticed a ton of misinformation being spread about various J-Fashion (also known as Japanese Fashion) styles so I came up with the idea on Twitter one day to start a video series where I sit down and talk to people who have been part of these communities either for more than a decade or who are extremely active in their communities. Through this series, I am hoping to share the knowledge that these J-Fashion veterans have with others about the rich history & culture of this global J-Fashion community as well those wanting to try out these fashions for themselves. Spending time with all these wonderful people has been such a delight and I have learned so much as well! We go over the history, the evolution, advice for newbies, misconceptions, and a ton of other stuff about these various styles. I really hope that this is helpful, informative, and that you have a good time learning with all of us! o((*^▽^*))o
QOTD: What are some misconceptions or misinformation about lolita fashion that grind your gears or frustrates you? Feel free to leave your answer below in the comments!
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www.lolitahistory.com/ - Website that hosts scans of brand catalogs and magazines and has information on the history of the style
• Lolita Fashion has NOT... - LovelyLor addresses the name of the style and where it comes from
www.fyeahlolita.com/2013/11/wh... - Another well researched opinion piece on where the name of the style comes from
www.fyeahlolita.com/ - A blog with a lot of information of lolita fashion history, influences and trends
www.rainedragon.com/ - A blog run by Rainedragon, the runner of LolitaHistory.com. Has shop reviews, explains lolita fashion terminology and discusses trends.
lolita-handbook.livejournal.com/ - Lolita Handbook, the original guide for the style made by members of the western lolita community in the mid 2000s. Has largely gone untouched and updated but the basic information is still potentially helpful to newbies as a starting point.
stephano.me/ - Stephano or Buttcape writes about Lolita current events and is known for their ouji fashion guides.
milkcircus.com/size-inclusive... - Size Inclusive Sweet Lolita Brands 2020 by Milk Circus
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"I was a tomboy before I got into lolita" "I didn't wanna be like other girls" OH FUCK I FELT THAT
sameeeeee
I don't think lolita looks childish or like children clothing, most of it reminds me of like those really really pretty dolls and especially goth lolita has something mysterious but still cute effect to me.
I don't dress lolita and don't know very much about it so if it happens that I have offended someone then please correct me I don't mean to offend anyone I really meant everything that I sayed as a compliment but as I sayed please correct me and teach me better if you have something against my comment :)
world needs more people like you,everyone I know thinks cute=childish... and I think that cute clothes like lolita are not childish just very feminine.
Here's a big note on Lolita fashion being rooted in Feminism: The feminist aspect comes from being started due to women rethinking the meaning of what it means to be a woman in Japanese society. They questioned whether their gender roles was all they were and that they weren't allowed to be anything else. "Is this it? Is this what it means to be a woman?" Back then [70s & 80s], gender roles were extremely to-the-book. There were women who wanted to break away from that. Proto-lolita took its stylistic inspiration from mori kei.
Teenage girls from the 80s & 90s wanted to break away from conventional gender roles assigned and pushed onto them. She was expect to let go of her interests, passions, and career aspirations to get married, become a housewife, & have children, boys specifically. She was going to lose her personhood that way. It was what was expected of a woman in Japanese society. Women started spending their money on frivolous fashion, dresses, and materials to make these clothes.
It was a way for them to say that they refused to be forced onto getting married and giving up their passions or interests. They wanted to keep their interests, to dress how they wanted and to "waste" their money on frivolous clothes if they so choose. They were seen by the rest of Japanese society as selfish and self-serving, but they were extremely brave because they were being radically honest with themselves.
They didn't want what Japanese society expected of them. They defied it. Women were disowned and dishonored for wearing Lolita fashion, that is an extremely big deal. Maybe it's not so in the Western world, but being rejected by your family and then being viewed as a pariah by your society in Japanese culture is a huge deal. Your whole world just tipped on its belly and all because they wouldn't conform. As the saying goes: "the nail that's raised gets hammered down."
as a classic lolita i usually get asked if im doing a play... or wearing some sort of reenactment costume LOL
I wore country lolita the other day to class and the girl next to me was like "oh i like your outfit, is it for culture or just for fun?" And like, i appreciate her asking, but it was also really funny for me to think like "what culture's clothing is a huge gingham skirt and a button up blouse?" Lol
Hello!I'm so excited,today I tried my second lolita dress (sweet lolita style) with strawberries and rabbits model on the dress,my parents and other people told me to not wear this kind of dresses cuz is too childish and I receive rude comments from a friend like "You look like your mom dresses you and you are 20" so what?because I discover myself and my feminity in a new style doesn't mean I'm a child. "Adults don't dress like this" I dress like this and I'm still an adult,It's not weird it's just alternative fashion.
That friend seems a bit toxic
Who cares what people think I know it can hurt cause my Aunt referred to me as a little girl(I shouldve called her an old tattooed woman but no I didnt stoop down to her level) dont care what people think cause in their mind they can’t understand it and I’m in my 30s but its not their choice its my own choice with what I put on myself and wear
I definitely don't agree with lolita not being feminist lmao, nowadays I wouldn't call it inherently feminist. But the roots definitely do start in feminism
I am very happy with these explanations of the typical misunderstandings. In the past we have always been so quick to distance ourselves as far as we can from the book and of from the idea that we dress like children. The truth is more complicated than that.
good to know you're also into this fashion, Jolyne
This video has really great advice! Plus I learned a lot more than I knew from other videos
Is that Cure Soleil in your profile pic?
Killstar is pretty notorious for bad quality overpricing and art theft. Definitely not the most ethical company to support.
I’ve never had a quality issue with killstar, they even sent me free stuff in the past for posting on socials
Absolutely lOVEDD this!! thank you for sharing ! I hope more newer lolitas doubts and question were answered!
This is gotta be one of my favorites from your series (so far!) You get the best people to talk about these fashions and their backgrounds!💖
love this video sm ! it was really insightful as someone who only like like 1 coord that im not super satisfied with lmao, but i loved the types of questions asked and how it was more in depth than your usual "lolita fashion for newbies" video !
Really loving this series! So much great information
Your look in this is amazing! These are so informative n_n
I’m so exited for this!!
I love how you give free ASMR in the background from your charms and clips XD You look very pretty though!!
i absolutely LOVE these like-interview videos of yours 😭 there is NO better background for making jewelry imo (yeah small bussiness 😎) thank u so much for these vids they r amazing love love love them!!!!!!!
from what i heard from Japanese people is that the people who say non-japanese can't wear lolita are both or either 1) not from japan 2) are japanese nationalist
I can’t wait for this one!!!
I’ve been to tempests shop quite a few times, and was so surprised to see her in this video! I love all of the outfits featured in this video :)
The thing about the book relation is that the outfits Delores is described to wear have no connection to how Lolita fashion looks. So at that point who freaking cares
Yeah the clothing that Delores wears is actually called nymhet fashion
@@elaineivysart9743 she literally wears childrens clothes because she is a child
I'm sooo glad to have found this. I've been defending lolita fashion for years..
Just a JSK, no accessories or petti, that's just EXTREME casual Lolita 😂
But without the petti we wouldn't have the shape that makes it lolita lol
At that point it's just ita
@@elaineivysart9743 not if it looks good, some ppl are just poor so im not gonna call ppl ita just for not having accessories. maybe for not having a peti but ehh 🤷♀️whatever makes u happy do it
@@kgcat hey I am a poor lolita I get but I feel like saving up as you go to get a dress a blouse and a petti I'd better or at first you could get a one piece so you don't need to buy a blouse and there are loads of cheap accessories that are not to bad I've made my own accessories with stuff I have I'm not trying to put ppl down because I know what it's like hey if your gonna do that when you start out that's OK! Just make sure it looks good!
@@kgcat sometimes i not have petti om not ita. Its call casual lolita.
Hey can you do a video on Yume kawaii it’s so hard to find any info on the fashion
@@MenheraTV it seems like you have an idea of what it is can you please explain because I interested in the aesthetic but either fashion or aesthetic the only place that carries information is this wiki thing
I feel so stupid that I thought since I'm white I can't do this even if done respectfully lol three videos later I realize I've missed out on beautiful fashion these past handful of years. Dummmmyy move hahaha thanks for these videos!! xx
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I want to know where to find more stuff for sailor lolita and ouji ans just in general. (Not Sailor Moon >:-( )
I think the discord link is broken. :(
when i told my mom i wanted to wear lolita,my mom was disgusted bc she thought it was related to the movie ;(
I liked the video but I wish you would have got a European/British perspective, as a lolita for 9 years in the U.K. and admin of a community I think there’s some big perspective differences when it comes to lolita community irl
There has been short films and videos on Lolita fashion in the British perspective especially in the early days of lolita when it was becoming more mainstream
23:08 i speak Spanish and I didn’t know it was Spanish 🧍
I absolutely hate that book. As a CSA survivor I find it incredibly upsetting and honestly it’s caused a lot of suffering for kids (mostly in America) due to its negative cultural impact. I really wish I could wear this adorable style, but I’d barf in my mouth at the thought of being called by the same name as that book
:( the world is an icky place, but at least I can dress fairy kei without dealing with associations like that
Oh...It's really annoying,this style is associeted with children and childish stuff in general because people think that adults don't dress in this kind of dresses,It's not weird or bad it's just alternative fashion and It's for everyone.Everyone can wear what they want if they don't hurt others,it is wrong to be happy?I think no
@@official_jack bro I was not refering about you...
@@coco_3183 The ironic thing is lolita is based on dresses women/young women wore in the 50's mixed with far earlier like the victorian & rococo periods. Adult women used to wear frilly and or layed dresses 24/7 lol
As another CSA survivor, it's kinda crappy that 1 girl's name is demonized because a character of the same name experienced CSA in the story. Like it kinda carries this gross idea that because a girl's story of abuse was told her name is now dirty
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I’ve always hated how strict the rules are, like are people really scrutinized like that? Like ‘your skirt is the wrong length that’s not Lolita!’ Sounds so annoying
Need to know the rules before you break them!
@@hamerugumiandthevocaloidfa8654 Though...many sub genres in fashion started as rebellion against main sream media fashion and people have been doing theor own thing since the start anyway.
Scrutinized? No. But if you don't follow the general guidelines of lolita fashion, you do get raised eyebrows. The reason we have rules is to avoid the fashion becoming something that it isn't.
@@hamerugumiandthevocaloidfa8654 Said the ita.
@@GirtheAlienGoldfish they are not ita they have right im lolita to yes you can break rules when you know it gatkeeper.
Been in Lolita since 2010, a petticoat is 100% needed. Lolita is about silhouette, there is A-line skirts and bell shaped skirts. I have never ever heard a fellow lolita say 'you don't need a petticoat'. You absolutely do, but the amount of petti coat will very by dress/skirt construction.
As for the skirt length, it needed to go to the knees. I never seen an issue about longer skirts. But I have seen people not really be to up in arms about skirt length. If anything, if your skirt isn't long enough you can get an underskirt but I don't think many would bat an eye otherwise.
Been into the fashion since 2010 as well. I don't necessarily agree here, especially because i wear oldschool. Lots of my old dresses don't even hold a petticoat, so ig it really depends on the actual substyle you're going for. I think 'always wear a petti' is something you say to newer members, but once you're actually experienced it depends on your own sense of style and experimentation.
angry i disagree ther. i agree with trash can i dont always wear petticotts.
With prints or dresses that are designed for fuller silhouettes, I would agree. But with old school, a petticoat really isn't required that much.
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I wish people took goth as seriously as these girls take Lolita. I know it's different because goth is a music-based subculture, but... Yeah
yes i agree with you. i was emo/scene before jfashion lolita. i listning today to emo music ^^
It's also fashion-based and does have a history with both music and fashion.
Ah the not everything has to be political conversation