Here is a link to the page on MCrider for more details: www.MCrider.com/phone Here are the direct links to the products used in this video. If you have a Quad Lock mount already you can likely add the Vibration Dampener to your set up and that is all you would need. If you are starting fresh like I was, you will need at a minimum the Case, Vibration Dampener, and the Mount. You can also add the Waterproof Charger to this setup and I think it makes it much more convenient. www.mcrider.com/Case www.mcrider.com/QuadLock-Vibration www.mcrider.com/QuadLock-Mount www.mcrider.com/QuadLock-Charger
That’s facts right there. I had one and I would throw it at the wall when I worked at T-Mobile and put it together and it worked perfect. Made sales like crazy lol
Thank you Kevin for all that you do. I don't ever have any electronic distractions on my road bikes, but this may help someone. I truly believe that I lost a new smart phone 3 years ago from the high frequency while T.I.G. welding the engine mounting plate on my drag bike. It was a expensive lesson, but I'm grateful for the lesson learned. Hopefully I can help someone else. Now when I weld any material I make sure that my smart phone is off, as well as far away from my welding power source. GOD BLESS YOU SIR.
Great solution. I had the same mount you were previously using and broke three iPhones in four months this year mounted on my BMW R9T (all under warranty). The article from Apple came out about a month after I was onto phone number four and I had switched mounts. I received the famous customer service line “I’ve never seen that before”, but I guess they had.
I was using the RAM mount, ruin my iPhone 8 camera. I have changed to the Quad-lock with the dampers, so far over a year of riding, no issues with the phone. It works!
My son and his friend both had their autofocus die on their phones using a Ram Mount. Android on a Yamaha 700 & iPhone on a KTM 1390 Super Duke R (Beast 3.0). They both switched to the vibration damping quad lock with zero issues last summer!
Kevin, I appreciate all your tips and helpful suggestions, but I wanted to pass along my experience using the new Quad Lock solution. Initially, I had my iPhone XS mounted on the Indian-supplied Rokform console mount for my Roadmaster for several years without issue. But in Oct of 2020, the camera lost the ability to focus while riding on the Blue Ridge Parkway. Not knowing why, I let Apple fix it, and moved on. In May of 2021, I decided to install Rokform rigid handlebar mount on my DRZ400. The engine and/or road vibration killed the focus after only 2 hours on only paved roads. That's when I found out about the vibration issue. Based on that Quad Lock graph and their claims, I bought two Quad Lock mounts for both bikes in June, got my phone fixed and had no issues using it all summer on my Roadmaster. However, I just went on a trip to the Smoky Mountains with my DRZ and the new Quad Lock, riding only paved and some excellent forest service roads. The autofocus went out on day two (strike #3). I think the Quad Lock is a reasonable option for 2+ cylinder bikes on the highway, but as far as I'm concerned, only your pocket or on top of a tank bag is an option for off-road use, especially for a thumper bike. As far as what are killer bikes, I think ANY motorcycle or even a mountain bike ridden on trails or poor roads can damage the delicate autofocus or image stabilization of a modern phone. The Quad Lock is like a helmet, better than nothing. My two cents.
I know this is an old post but in just curious, have you used a Qual lock dampener when that happened? Got my quad lock and have also bought a dampener. After reading your post in now hesitant to put my iPhone 13 in there.
@@ImALefty08 sorry that I wasn’t clear, but the quad-lock claims I was referring to was with the dampener, which I had on both bikes. They don’t solve the vibration issues on thumpers or rough/off-road. I’ve had no issues on my touring bike with the quad lock and iPhone XS. If you can see or feel the phone vibrate at all, it will destroy the autofocus.
Good Info Kevin @MCrider .. I hit a Deer so hard my Speedometer quit working on my Yamaha FZ-07 .. I just installed 2" handle bar risers for my short arms.. I had to make a plate to raise my speedometer two inches .. now it moves when I hit bumps .. My front forks are much stiffer now with Olihn Cartriges.. I think I will had a layer of thick rubber truck intertube between the speedomter and the mount.. I have mounted my Compter GPS componets on the dash of my lime spreader trucks with rubber intertube for insulation ..
My T100 killed my IPhone, I did get the quad lock and vibration dampener and no issues since, glad you posted this , I don’t know of any other mount that has a dampener. Thanks !
I never had a issue with my Galaxy phones.. Never used a vibration dampener but with the sales this weekend I bought a whole quad lock setup with dampener and wireless charging, couldn't resist being on sale.
I love the quad lock mounts. I'm using them on all of my bikes. I had a hard crash on my dual sport six weeks ago and the phone never budged. And when I'm touring on the ADV bike it's nice to have a completely waterproof charger.
You must have bounced back okay and that’s a good thing. Glad you are well and those mounts are impressive. So did you rub some dirt on it and get back to riding? Personally I use a rokform
I've never mounted my phone because I knew the vibration wouldn't be good for it. When I need GPS, I just use my bluetooth speakers in my helmet or ear buds. My main reason is that I don't use a windshield or fairing and I've seen too many rider's phones come loose and go skipping down the asphalt at 60mph or small rocks, bugs and debris smacking into it. I also don't like a phone baking in the hot sun. That can do some serious damage. I prefer to keep my phone in my jacket or pants pocket.
Yes, vibrations from mounting on the handle bars can overtime damage your phone, weather apple or android. So, using the vibration damper does help. I've been steady using the quad lock for a year now, no issues.
Thanks for yet another excellent and informative video! I am currently looking to get a phone mount and of course one of the first places I checked for reviews was MC rider. You never disappoint! Thanks bro!
It took only 2 months for my 2012 Super Tenere to screw up my new iPhone 12. It was still under warranty with Verizon, and they were nice enough to replace the phone. I'll be looking at the new QuadLock mount. Thanks MCrider!
Good video Kevin. I have a triump bonneville. I didn’t think about vibration because I sparingly use my phone except when I need to look at nav. I will be looking at the quad lock. I hate throwing out the ram mount but don’t want to destroy an expensive phone
MC I use my phone as a app interface to my rear camera via wifi. For example a mirror behind me. I made a holder from a car holder. Its Neck I modified and mounts to the center of my handle bars. To support rotation of portrait or landscape perspective while on my bike, I use rubber hose rings that mesh together in the phone mounts neck. Hence, it does not loosen up that much when rotating, and the implicit benefit is shock dampening.
Hi Kevin I used the quad lock just over a year now never had any problems now I’ve got the bmw gs it’s awkward on the Handle bars so I contacted quad lock and they sold me the stem mount system goes in the nut of the head stock bearings works perfectly well looks good to just done a video on it 👍👍👍
I've been using a Quad Lock on my R1250 GSA for about 6 months. I've got it mounted to the accessory bar and so far no issues with my Samsung S21+ and very little vibrations overall. I have no worries about the phone coming loose with how the case locks into the mount. If any other GS riders are wondering Quad Locks mirror mount fits on the accessory bar.
Holy crap! This exact same thing happened to me and I didnt realize it was due to mounting on my handlebars! I ended up having to get a new phone (which wasnt covered) and was scratching my head about why it happened.
I have this set-up on my Royal Enfield INT 650. It does a great job. I ruined my last iphone's camera on my KE100 with a cheap phone mount. Live and learn.
Yikes! I've got a 2010 Rocket Touring I mount my phone on once in awhile. Thanks for the heads up! I'm pleased to see you have a Rocket!!! One of the latest 2500cc jobs even! Cool! I love mine! I'll keep my phone in my pocket till I upgrade my mount. :)
Thank you sir. I was just looking for a good mount for my dirtbike to record my rides but this has been enlightening . For what it's worth I have the Samsung s22 and with an amazon holder and about 45+ hours my phone is in perfect working order but my mount has finally broken to multiple pieces (after a wreck) hence why I'm watching your video. Also my videos are trash from the vibration so I hope this helps. Thanks again
Thanks. That a nice piece of advice. Better later than never. I had my issues with the quadlock mount and after recovering my phone from the i-store , I got the new dampner but I still am cautious about using the phone again in there. I put it on the saddle bag and listen to gps instructions instead. I don’t rely anymore installing it on the motorcycle handlebar. This is not very practical but at least is safe in what concerns to the iPhone camera well functioning . Anyway, thanks for the video.
I had to replace my phone for the same reason before I read about the vibration issue. I use the X phone mount on my Vulcan 900. Going to try this new mount and hopefully it will work.
Im having trubble with clutch adjustment and been searching for a good video explaining it, i remembered you and how well you explain and go to detail. What im wondering is the aftermath of adjusting the cable.. how do i know and how can i figure it out thats it is correct? Alot of people say wrong setting will burn the clutch in no time. Do you have a video of it or could you mabye make one? How to adjust it there is alot of videos. But cant find one on how you can tell its good or bad. Tnx for awsome videos!
Few years ago when RC multirotors started to emerge same problem was faced. Vibrations from motors with props would play havoc with IMU in flight controllers. There were many experiments done but few were successful. These include moongel, sorbothane pads, rubber band suspension etc. Try experimenting with moongel pads by sandwiching these between phone & phone holder so that they absorb the vibrations from the holder.
Stem mount, center console, 3m industrial two faced adhesive pad.. Steel plate glued to rubber armored casing meets the stem mount magnet. Dumped the bike when someone came out in front of me at a gas station trying to beat my 900 lb 9ft long sport tour to the pump. Phone never movef. Appreciate the channel Kevin for sometime now... Ads for products? Not so much. Just my two cents worth.
Great video Kevin and thank you for your high quality content. I didn't catch which iphone model you have- I have an iphone 13 and have read this camera is somewhat unique and more sensitive to the vibrations. I would like to get the quad lock but want to make sure it is safe for the 13. Thanks. Tim (BMW R1250 GSA)
Good video. Have a Honda Shadow and the same thing happened on my LG phone. I suspected it was the motorcycle and vibrations in the mount that cause it.
I love my handlebar mount and use my phone vs my android auto on my Africa Twin. My phones cost a fraction of an iPhone so I'm not going to worry about it until it happens.
Thank you for this warning! I had no idea. I'm not going to buy another phone mount, I think instead I will just keep it in my pocket unless I really need it for navigation.
I've been using a Quad Lock phone mount with my iPhone 11 pro max mounted to my my 2020 Harley Davidson Street Glide since January when I purchased the bike. 8,500 miles later and I have not had a single problem with my phone or the mount, I've been VERY PLEASED. I will be adding the charger to the mount
I’ve had the 18 GW DCT for 3 years (just like yours) and haven’t had any problems. I guess it shows how smooth the GW is. You didn’t mention your wing as a culprit, so it must not be causing you any problems.
The vibration issue destroying things is nothing new. I have been wearing Seiko Sportsmatic 5 self winding mechanical watches since I picked my first one up in Vietnam in 1966. Over the years I have gone through a dozen of these watches while riding hundreds of thousands of miles on motorcycles. Having them rebuilt or repaired over the years, the repair shops eventually tell me that the vibration destroyed the internals of the watches and prevents their repair after about 5 years. The worse offender was my Norton Atlas and my little Yamaha RD 250B two stroke that I rode from 1968 through the early 2000s. I couldn't get 3 years out of the watches. The repair shop told me it just destroyed the mechanisms. Unfortunately, the Seiko Sportsmatic 5's are no longer available in the United States unless you order them on line from dealers in South America or Japan. Since switching to Harleys in 1995 through today, I have been averaging 8 years per watch, about what you would expect from a mechanical watch. I keep my cell phone in my pocket.
Only put my older iPhone 7 on my Diavel 1260 handle bars once, using a different mount on 2-1/2 hour ride. After that one ride every time I would open the camera app it would look okay, but when I went to take a picture the app would crash. Thankfully a restart fixed the issue, I haven't risked further damage by mounting my phone since then. Looking at that Apple article, it lists iPhone 6 and newer as being ones that can be effected. Thought it was only newer phones. I will probably pickup up a quad lock at some point so I can use my phone for navigation in the future. For now I am just putting my route into waze and then putting the phone in my pocket and just listening to the audio directions.
Talk about multiskilled, you're worth more money ! ! ! Have my phone attached to a handlebar mount for over a year, Had no problems, but having said that I've got a feeling something gonna happen .
Got mine on the X grip. I no longer mount my phone. Only cost me $6 to install a new camera into my phone, so not a big deal. But i saw a video comparing the quad lock to a cheap $12 amazon version of the quad lock...even with the vibration damping, the cheap nock off was better. Stood up stronger and had less vibs. Buy a Garmin Zumo XT and link your phone to the garmin. Can access everything from the garmin and your phone can sit in you side bags or tank bag or your inside jscket pocket....zero vibs that way.
I posted a video on Reddit about the dampener not saving my phones camera. I used rokform, ram mount, and quadlock with and without the dampener all only used on my Indian scout. The dampener ultimately only prolonged the iso failure, lasted about 2.5k miles before messing up. Quadlock reached out to me and ultimately said that my iPhone X had a “ pre-existing condition” (my words not their exact words) so my review post was unfair. I then told them my phone was fixed with a brand new camera not just a repair job. They never replied back after that. (This was paraphrased to the key points) Move on to me then buying a brand new iPhone 12 Pro Max and never mounting it to anything but my scout via the quadlock mount with the dampener installed. After about 1k miles I started to see the tell tale signs of it beginning to fail, I’ve experienced the camera iso failure 4-5 times I know what the signs are. I unfortunately had an accident before I could continue to use it, but will be again soon. I know in my gut ie from experience, it’s going to eventually fail again. I’ll get it repaired by Apple care, I just won’t tell them I ride and not have the case on it or I’ll just upgrade if they refuse to fix it. Admittedly I have lil bit of a personal vendetta because I was basically called a liar and or incompetent. I will be keeping a video documentation of me using it and how many miles it took before it failed prove the camera was fine before etc. The bigger and more important reason I’ll be doing this is for the same reason I initially did my review, to help fellow rider and alike to make an informed decision on spending their money on stuff I actually use myself. I always tell the good the bad and the ugly and that includes if and why my opinion is bias. My opinion atm from past experience to anyone who’s read this far is save your money or mount a phone you don’t care about not having a properly functioning camera. If my camera never fails I’ll be the first to admit I was wrong and give praise to quadlock. I applaud them still for being one of the few to acknowledge the vibrations were an issue, even before Apple got hip to the game.
Yeah, iPhone 11 Pro Max camera wrecked. Mounted on the Quadlock wireless charger unit but no vibration dampener. Bike, 2014 Suzuki Vstrom 1000 (DL1000A). I pulled up somewhere to take photos. Camera not focusing. A friend told me about this vibration issue. Phone nearly 3 years old. Cheaper to buy a new one. iPhone 13 Pro Max. Even with the dampener I still worry as the camera is important to me. Don’t want to wreck it.
Peak Design now makes a competing product with a built in dampener. It’s significantly more expensive than the Quadlock, at least here in Australia. Might look at it when it’s more established in the marketplace.
You are better off carrying your phone in your jacket if you have an accident. You never know what will happen. At least it will be with you if you need it.All bluetooth functions will still work. Just a thought!
My dr650 made my quad lock mounted iPhone 10 camera go wavy after a gravel ride .. was gutted , on a whim a ran a fridge magnet over the camera and it came right .. been good for last 6 months .. phone stays in my tank bag now .
Common sense told me a long time ago not to mount my phone on my Handle bars.. even thought Yamaha FZ-07 handle bars are rubber mounted.. I would think the road shock of hitting bumps would be enough to damage I-phones also falling off and getting run over by a truck .. I carry my phone in my Leg Bag.. and have Blue Tooth for my Pak Talk Slim ear speakers. Works with both my phone and my Garmin Motorcycle GPS .. via Blue Tooth connections..
I use a Tomtom rider 550 gps for my navigation. I was using my smartphone for a gps but started having heat issues. I prefer the tomtom now. It has its quirks, but with over 7k miles on it, It’s my go to. I have it bound to my Sena headset so I am getting my turn by turn in my helmet and don’t have to take my eyes off the road. My phone stays in my pocket where it belongs.
Planned obsolescence. Waste of resources but good profit. All made in China mans land. Slowly but surely we will all conform to the Great Reset. Si vis pacem, para bellum.
I have a motorcycle (Street Triple R), an iPhone 8 and Quad Lock mount without any vibration dampener. No issues at all, after 2500km. Must be an issue only for the latest fancy $$$ cameras, my iPhone 8 is 3,5 years old, has OIS and no issues.
Hey Kevin, thank you for the video, really got me thinking about getting a quad lock for myself. However, I would like to know how does the mount fair at high speeds like north of 90miles an hour? I have had one of my previous iPhones fly out of the ram mount and since then anything that looks fragile throws me off. Have you been able to check its performance at higher speeds than normal? BTW, I ride the GS 850 and the R1 and I want to get this mount for both the motorcycles.
Yeah, Apple's still a BUSINESS... SO they're most interested in "problem motorcycles" that will kill an iphone before the warranty is out... Once they no longer have to give you a free repair or whatever, you're on your own... SO no, that list is GOING to be less than complete. Here's a decent (not perfect) litmus test for you though. Start your motorcycle and get through the "warm up" period, so the "low rpm idle" settles in, since this is probably 90% of your riding condition on the bike. Rest a hand on the wrist over a handlebar and watch your finger tips... if they bounce around, you've got "deadly vibrations"... You can usually feel it, but some of us aren't as sensitive as others... AND like I warned, NOT perfect... You may be inclined to try the test while you're on the road, which is fine, though I can recommend using specifically your LEFT hand for that one, since you'll need the right to maintain throttle for testing "at speed"... just in case the vibrations may change... AND yes, you can test just as well with your palm up as you can palm down (regarding visibility of your fingers). DON'T lose track of the fact you're on the road, though. It's a simple enough test, and either you've got deadly vibrations, prefer to err on the side of caution (just assume they're deadly and get the damper) or you don't... and you don't mind risking your phone on that assessment. Pretty much all electronics are sensitive to vibrations, so any Camera, GPS, or other electronic gizmo is likely to be eventually adversely effected by riding around attached to a motorcycle... That's just worth a mention somewhere. You can find dampeners and the like to prolong the life, but they likely only reduce harm rather than quite eliminate it entirely... just to be clear. ;o)
What did apple do that fix your iphone? I'm having the same issue with the buzzing sound on the camera but the difference is there is no changes on the performance of the camera. Thanks
I have had this problem with a Ninja 650 using a Ram support (with a Iphone 8 and with an XR), also a friend of mine has had the issue on a CBR650R with an Iphone XR using a quadlock support (without a dampener)
Same thing happened to my phone, I think this happens when you try to take a picture while connected to the bike. I have a CBR 500 and after a week of riding it claimed my phone
Drove a simple street route of 8 mins with the vibration dampener and without. Installed a vibration app on my phone and my simple tests shows that the phone shakes less without the vibration dampeners. Not sure what to think about this product at this point. My app says the phone shakes less with no vibration dampeners. Also the phone visibly shakes less without the dampeners. I would add images but can’t on this thread, however, I recommend you guys all run your own independent test.
I'm using the quad lock vibration dampener on my BMW F800GT (which is the in the list), with my Samsung S20+. I know it's not an iphone, but better safe than sorry. The autofocus system in these phones is probably very similar and subject to vibration damage.
It doesn't matter if you're using android or apple, all phones with image stabilization are at risk. Only older phones or any phone without an image stabilization are safe to be used without a dampener.
Hi Kevin, is that the IPhone 12 you have? My IPhone 11 (out of warranty) camera broke down because of a fixed phone mount on my handle bar. I bought the new IPhone 12 now and put it in my jacket. I’m missing my navigation, so maybe the quad lock is a option 🤔.
Pro tip. Use a crappy backup phone. Any android or iPhone can be used with Google maps and tethered. No worries about dropping the phone or damaging it. Best advice I've ever used.
I mounted my Note 10+ on the tank to use as a GPS. I have a Kawasaki Vulcan S and it does create issues on my phone. When I turn on the camera, it turns really shaky. But it fixes itself after a while. Sometimes minutes, sometimes hours. For how long it will keep fixing itself, I don't know, but I'm not planning to stop using it as GPS. I'm also using Quadlock, but not the vibration dampener. Might order it.
Quad Lock w/ VD does not work well if mounted on Apes and in more of a “vertical” orientation. Vibrates even worse than without the VD! Phone has to be more in a horizontal orientation for this to work. Found that out first hand, almost destroyed my camera on my iPhone as well as some other apps that locked up. Was lucky to find this out without any permeant damage to my iPhone. Went back to my TackForm mount.
It’s not an Android/IOS ISSUE, it all depends on what cellphone you have, or rather what kind of camera your cellphone has. I’ve had my iPhone 7 Plus mounted on several bikes for about five years - without any kind of dampener - and no issues. On my 1250GS I now have the iPhone in an adapter fitted in the Nav6 mount. There’s no dampener whatsoever here either. The iPhone 7 has a stabilizer in the camera, obviously it is not as sensitive as later iPhones. My iPhone 12 Pro always stays in my pocket. If I need a navigation function (Maps etc) or want to listen to music/radio I let the 7 share internet data with the iPhone 12.
probably comes down to the specific sensor as well, Ive got a oneplus 8 pro with OIS and thousands of miles using the ABSOULTE cheapest mount on my 1200 sportster, never had a single issue. Ive done some research into this issue, and it really seemed like apple phones had a higher failure rate. considering that basically any android phone in the same realm of price >500usd also has OIS nowadays just saying it cause apple is "more common" doesnt really explain it. not to mention apple had to put out a warning about it. not to say this doesnt happen to android phones, but that if you have an Iphone you might want to be extra worried about it. (and feel the need to spend a few hundreds of dollars on a mount lol)
Not in the phone pouch pocket of my riding jacket... Which is where mine always is while moving. If i need to check location because I'm not sure where I am, I pull over and kickstand down. I was able to find a route for decades before Garmin or Google Maps. I don't answer calls or read texts while moving. I know i can't do two things at once. A man's gotta know his limitations.
Here is a link to the page on MCrider for more details:
www.MCrider.com/phone
Here are the direct links to the products used in this video. If you have a Quad Lock mount already you can likely add the Vibration Dampener to your set up and that is all you would need.
If you are starting fresh like I was, you will need at a minimum the Case, Vibration Dampener, and the Mount. You can also add the Waterproof Charger to this setup and I think it makes it much more convenient.
www.mcrider.com/Case
www.mcrider.com/QuadLock-Vibration
www.mcrider.com/QuadLock-Mount
www.mcrider.com/QuadLock-Charger
How it works after a year now? I saw somewhere a comment that along with that damper after a season still lenses were damaged
If ya had an old Nokia brick phone you could tape it to the tire and it wouldn’t care . 😂
Those phones were indestructible!!!! All you had to do was swap out the covers 😂😂😂
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That’s facts right there. I had one and I would throw it at the wall when I worked at T-Mobile and put it together and it worked perfect. Made sales like crazy lol
Thank you Kevin for all that you do. I don't ever have any electronic distractions on my road bikes, but this may help someone. I truly believe that I lost a new smart phone 3 years ago from the high frequency while T.I.G. welding the engine mounting plate on my drag bike. It was a expensive lesson, but I'm grateful for the lesson learned. Hopefully I can help someone else. Now when I weld any material I make sure that my smart phone is off, as well as far away from my welding power source.
GOD BLESS YOU SIR.
Great solution. I had the same mount you were previously using and broke three iPhones in four months this year mounted on my BMW R9T (all under warranty). The article from Apple came out about a month after I was onto phone number four and I had switched mounts. I received the famous customer service line “I’ve never seen that before”, but I guess they had.
Good to know you’re a one man band. I’ve been supporting your two years now.
Thank you Robert, I appreciate the support!!!
I was using the RAM mount, ruin my iPhone 8 camera. I have changed to the Quad-lock with the dampers, so far over a year of riding, no issues with the phone. It works!
My son and his friend both had their autofocus die on their phones using a Ram Mount. Android on a Yamaha 700 & iPhone on a KTM 1390 Super Duke R (Beast 3.0). They both switched to the vibration damping quad lock with zero issues last summer!
Good to hear.
Kevin, I appreciate all your tips and helpful suggestions, but I wanted to pass along my experience using the new Quad Lock solution. Initially, I had my iPhone XS mounted on the Indian-supplied Rokform console mount for my Roadmaster for several years without issue. But in Oct of 2020, the camera lost the ability to focus while riding on the Blue Ridge Parkway. Not knowing why, I let Apple fix it, and moved on. In May of 2021, I decided to install Rokform rigid handlebar mount on my DRZ400. The engine and/or road vibration killed the focus after only 2 hours on only paved roads. That's when I found out about the vibration issue. Based on that Quad Lock graph and their claims, I bought two Quad Lock mounts for both bikes in June, got my phone fixed and had no issues using it all summer on my Roadmaster. However, I just went on a trip to the Smoky Mountains with my DRZ and the new Quad Lock, riding only paved and some excellent forest service roads. The autofocus went out on day two (strike #3). I think the Quad Lock is a reasonable option for 2+ cylinder bikes on the highway, but as far as I'm concerned, only your pocket or on top of a tank bag is an option for off-road use, especially for a thumper bike. As far as what are killer bikes, I think ANY motorcycle or even a mountain bike ridden on trails or poor roads can damage the delicate autofocus or image stabilization of a modern phone. The Quad Lock is like a helmet, better than nothing. My two cents.
I know this is an old post but in just curious, have you used a Qual lock dampener when that happened? Got my quad lock and have also bought a dampener. After reading your post in now hesitant to put my iPhone 13 in there.
@@ImALefty08 sorry that I wasn’t clear, but the quad-lock claims I was referring to was with the dampener, which I had on both bikes. They don’t solve the vibration issues on thumpers or rough/off-road. I’ve had no issues on my touring bike with the quad lock and iPhone XS. If you can see or feel the phone vibrate at all, it will destroy the autofocus.
I see.. will keep my old phone as my bike gps then. No point upgrading
Good Info Kevin @MCrider .. I hit a Deer so hard my Speedometer quit working on my Yamaha FZ-07 .. I just installed 2" handle bar risers for my short arms.. I had to make a plate to raise my speedometer two inches .. now it moves when I hit bumps .. My front forks are much stiffer now with Olihn Cartriges..
I think I will had a layer of thick rubber truck intertube between the speedomter and the mount..
I have mounted my Compter GPS componets on the dash of my lime spreader trucks with rubber intertube for insulation ..
My T100 killed my IPhone, I did get the quad lock and vibration dampener and no issues since, glad you posted this , I don’t know of any other mount that has a dampener. Thanks !
YUP! Just took my Iphone 11 to the local repair shop - same issue!! 2021 Street Bob. Thanks for another great video!
I never had a issue with my Galaxy phones.. Never used a vibration dampener but with the sales this weekend I bought a whole quad lock setup with dampener and wireless charging, couldn't resist being on sale.
I love the quad lock mounts. I'm using them on all of my bikes. I had a hard crash on my dual sport six weeks ago and the phone never budged. And when I'm touring on the ADV bike it's nice to have a completely waterproof charger.
You must have bounced back okay and that’s a good thing. Glad you are well and those mounts are impressive.
So did you rub some dirt on it and get back to riding?
Personally I use a rokform
Not yet. Doctor's orders. Along with some new titanium hardware holding my clavicle back together. Another month and I'll be good to go.
@@r1dutch Dang Dutch. Sorry to hear that.
I've never mounted my phone because I knew the vibration wouldn't be good for it. When I need GPS, I just use my bluetooth speakers in my helmet or ear buds. My main reason is that I don't use a windshield or fairing and I've seen too many rider's phones come loose and go skipping down the asphalt at 60mph or small rocks, bugs and debris smacking into it. I also don't like a phone baking in the hot sun. That can do some serious damage. I prefer to keep my phone in my jacket or pants pocket.
Yes, vibrations from mounting on the handle bars can overtime damage your phone, weather apple or android. So, using the vibration damper does help. I've been steady using the quad lock for a year now, no issues.
Thanks for yet another excellent and informative video! I am currently looking to get a phone mount and of course one of the first places I checked for reviews was MC rider. You never disappoint! Thanks bro!
It took only 2 months for my 2012 Super Tenere to screw up my new iPhone 12. It was still under warranty with Verizon, and they were nice enough to replace the phone. I'll be looking at the new QuadLock mount. Thanks MCrider!
Good video Kevin. I have a triump bonneville. I didn’t think about vibration because I sparingly use my phone except when I need to look at nav. I will be looking at the quad lock. I hate throwing out the ram mount but don’t want to destroy an expensive phone
MC I use my phone as a app interface to my rear camera via wifi. For example a mirror behind me. I made a holder from a car holder. Its Neck I modified and mounts to the center of my handle bars. To support rotation of portrait or landscape perspective while on my bike, I use rubber hose rings that mesh together in the phone mounts neck. Hence, it does not loosen up that much when rotating, and the implicit benefit is shock dampening.
I use a quad lock with vibration dampener for my 12mini. Been on my vStrom 1000, boulevard c50 and Spyder F3. Over 12k miles this year with no issues.
Hi Kevin I used the quad lock just over a year now never had any problems now I’ve got the bmw gs it’s awkward on the Handle bars so I contacted quad lock and they sold me the stem mount system goes in the nut of the head stock bearings works perfectly well looks good to just done a video on it 👍👍👍
Good information
I was about to start using a handlebar mount.
Have been carrying it in the windshield bag with no problem. Thousands of miles.
I've been using a Quad Lock on my R1250 GSA for about 6 months. I've got it mounted to the accessory bar and so far no issues with my Samsung S21+ and very little vibrations overall. I have no worries about the phone coming loose with how the case locks into the mount. If any other GS riders are wondering Quad Locks mirror mount fits on the accessory bar.
I think this would be really good for adventure riders going down the trail. I’ve seen these advertised. Thanks for doing the review
Thanks Kevin! Appreciate the suggestion. But not even a shot of the Rocket III.😭
I have had the Quadlock system for almost a year. I absolutely love the system.
Holy crap! This exact same thing happened to me and I didnt realize it was due to mounting on my handlebars! I ended up having to get a new phone (which wasnt covered) and was scratching my head about why it happened.
I have this set-up on my Royal Enfield INT 650. It does a great job. I ruined my last iphone's camera on my KE100 with a cheap phone mount. Live and learn.
Yikes! I've got a 2010 Rocket Touring I mount my phone on once in awhile. Thanks for the heads up! I'm pleased to see you have a Rocket!!! One of the latest 2500cc jobs even! Cool! I love mine! I'll keep my phone in my pocket till I upgrade my mount. :)
Thank you sir. I was just looking for a good mount for my dirtbike to record my rides but this has been enlightening . For what it's worth I have the Samsung s22 and with an amazon holder and about 45+ hours my phone is in perfect working order but my mount has finally broken to multiple pieces (after a wreck) hence why I'm watching your video. Also my videos are trash from the vibration so I hope this helps. Thanks again
Thanks. That a nice piece of advice. Better later than never. I had my issues with the quadlock mount and after recovering my phone from the i-store , I got the new dampner but I still am cautious about using the phone again in there. I put it on the saddle bag and listen to gps instructions instead. I don’t rely anymore installing it on the motorcycle handlebar. This is not very practical but at least is safe in what concerns to the iPhone camera well functioning . Anyway, thanks for the video.
I had to replace my phone for the same reason before I read about the vibration issue. I use the X phone mount on my Vulcan 900. Going to try this new mount and hopefully it will work.
Im having trubble with clutch adjustment and been searching for a good video explaining it, i remembered you and how well you explain and go to detail.
What im wondering is the aftermath of adjusting the cable.. how do i know and how can i figure it out thats it is correct?
Alot of people say wrong setting will burn the clutch in no time.
Do you have a video of it or could you mabye make one?
How to adjust it there is alot of videos. But cant find one on how you can tell its good or bad.
Tnx for awsome videos!
Few years ago when RC multirotors started to emerge same problem was faced. Vibrations from motors with props would play havoc with IMU in flight controllers. There were many experiments done but few were successful. These include moongel, sorbothane pads, rubber band suspension etc. Try experimenting with moongel pads by sandwiching these between phone & phone holder so that they absorb the vibrations from the holder.
Stem mount, center console, 3m industrial two faced adhesive pad.. Steel plate glued to rubber armored casing meets the stem mount magnet. Dumped the bike when someone came out in front of me at a gas station trying to beat my 900 lb 9ft long sport tour to the pump. Phone never movef.
Appreciate the channel Kevin for sometime now...
Ads for products?
Not so much.
Just my two cents worth.
Been wandering why my phone was tweaking. Thankfully found this video. I ride a Softail slim
Great video Kevin and thank you for your high quality content. I didn't catch which iphone model you have- I have an iphone 13 and have read this camera is somewhat unique and more sensitive to the vibrations. I would like to get the quad lock but want to make sure it is safe for the 13. Thanks. Tim (BMW R1250 GSA)
Thanks! I just ordered the quadlock to protect my new device
Good video. Have a Honda Shadow and the same thing happened on my LG phone. I suspected it was the motorcycle and vibrations in the mount that cause it.
I just kept my old iPhone 10 to use on my Harley. I use it for Bluetooth music and gps so if camera goes bad no big deal.
I love my handlebar mount and use my phone vs my android auto on my Africa Twin. My phones cost a fraction of an iPhone so I'm not going to worry about it until it happens.
I’ve got about 5000 miles with my Iphone on the bars of my 2020 Tiger 1200 with the quad lock with the vibration damper. No problems so far.
Android, no issues. I also use quad lock, but no dampiner. 17GSA and 98 Wing.
Thank you for this warning! I had no idea. I'm not going to buy another phone mount, I think instead I will just keep it in my pocket unless I really need it for navigation.
Thank you! This is the exact set up I want to try.
did the same to mine. got the quadlock dampener is clutch. havent had any problems since.
40,000 miles now carrying my iPhone 8+ on my Kawasaki Concours using a handlebar Ram Mount no problems yet!
This issue just started with my 12 pro max. I have a 2013 Cbr500r with a quad lock fork stem mount without the dampener.
Same thing happened to my phone camera. I’ve started putting my phone in my pocket. Doing so also removed the distraction it could create.
I've been using a Quad Lock phone mount with my iPhone 11 pro max mounted to my my 2020 Harley Davidson Street Glide since January when I purchased the bike. 8,500 miles later and I have not had a single problem with my phone or the mount, I've been VERY PLEASED. I will be adding the charger to the mount
I’ve had the 18 GW DCT for 3 years (just like yours) and haven’t had any problems. I guess it shows how smooth the GW is. You didn’t mention your wing as a culprit, so it must not be causing you any problems.
The Goldwing is not an issue, I don't mount to the handlebars there.
Same 18 GW DCT. No problems at all.
The DCT is the transmission, the engine still transmits vibrations, for the price of the dampener I wouldn't risk ruining your $1500 iphone.
Great tip Kevin (Mainly for those riding HDs that tend to shake more than a paint shaker) but only happens with newer iPhones !
The vibration issue destroying things is nothing new. I have been wearing Seiko Sportsmatic 5 self winding mechanical watches since I picked my first one up in Vietnam in 1966. Over the years I have gone through a dozen of these watches while riding hundreds of thousands of miles on motorcycles. Having them rebuilt or repaired over the years, the repair shops eventually tell me that the vibration destroyed the internals of the watches and prevents their repair after about 5 years. The worse offender was my Norton Atlas and my little Yamaha RD 250B two stroke that I rode from 1968 through the early 2000s. I couldn't get 3 years out of the watches. The repair shop told me it just destroyed the mechanisms. Unfortunately, the Seiko Sportsmatic 5's are no longer available in the United States unless you order them on line from dealers in South America or Japan. Since switching to Harleys in 1995 through today, I have been averaging 8 years per watch, about what you would expect from a mechanical watch. I keep my cell phone in my pocket.
Only put my older iPhone 7 on my Diavel 1260 handle bars once, using a different mount on 2-1/2 hour ride. After that one ride every time I would open the camera app it would look okay, but when I went to take a picture the app would crash. Thankfully a restart fixed the issue, I haven't risked further damage by mounting my phone since then. Looking at that Apple article, it lists iPhone 6 and newer as being ones that can be effected. Thought it was only newer phones. I will probably pickup up a quad lock at some point so I can use my phone for navigation in the future. For now I am just putting my route into waze and then putting the phone in my pocket and just listening to the audio directions.
iPhone 6s doesn't have optical image stabilization, only ones I have seen be affected by this had it.
Talk about multiskilled, you're worth more money ! ! ! Have my phone attached to a handlebar mount for over a year, Had no problems, but having said that I've got a feeling something gonna happen .
I’ve been using the quad lock vibration dampener on a Honda rebel 500 for about 4000 miles without any problem so far. Hopefully it keeps working.
Good to hear.
Got mine on the X grip. I no longer mount my phone. Only cost me $6 to install a new camera into my phone, so not a big deal. But i saw a video comparing the quad lock to a cheap $12 amazon version of the quad lock...even with the vibration damping, the cheap nock off was better. Stood up stronger and had less vibs. Buy a Garmin Zumo XT and link your phone to the garmin. Can access everything from the garmin and your phone can sit in you side bags or tank bag or your inside jscket pocket....zero vibs that way.
That’s the same setup I’ve got Kevin works well thanks for the video..👍🏻🇦🇺
I posted a video on Reddit about the dampener not saving my phones camera. I used rokform, ram mount, and quadlock with and without the dampener all only used on my Indian scout. The dampener ultimately only prolonged the iso failure, lasted about 2.5k miles before messing up. Quadlock reached out to me and ultimately said that my iPhone X had a “ pre-existing condition” (my words not their exact words) so my review post was unfair. I then told them my phone was fixed with a brand new camera not just a repair job. They never replied back after that. (This was paraphrased to the key points)
Move on to me then buying a brand new iPhone 12 Pro Max and never mounting it to anything but my scout via the quadlock mount with the dampener installed. After about 1k miles I started to see the tell tale signs of it beginning to fail, I’ve experienced the camera iso failure 4-5 times I know what the signs are. I unfortunately had an accident before I could continue to use it, but will be again soon. I know in my gut ie from experience, it’s going to eventually fail again. I’ll get it repaired by Apple care, I just won’t tell them I ride and not have the case on it or I’ll just upgrade if they refuse to fix it.
Admittedly I have lil bit of a personal vendetta because I was basically called a liar and or incompetent. I will be keeping a video documentation of me using it and how many miles it took before it failed prove the camera was fine before etc. The bigger and more important reason I’ll be doing this is for the same reason I initially did my review, to help fellow rider and alike to make an informed decision on spending their money on stuff I actually use myself. I always tell the good the bad and the ugly and that includes if and why my opinion is bias.
My opinion atm from past experience to anyone who’s read this far is save your money or mount a phone you don’t care about not having a properly functioning camera.
If my camera never fails I’ll be the first to admit I was wrong and give praise to quadlock. I applaud them still for being one of the few to acknowledge the vibrations were an issue, even before Apple got hip to the game.
Yeah, iPhone 11 Pro Max camera wrecked. Mounted on the Quadlock wireless charger unit but no vibration dampener. Bike, 2014 Suzuki Vstrom 1000 (DL1000A).
I pulled up somewhere to take photos. Camera not focusing. A friend told me about this vibration issue. Phone nearly 3 years old. Cheaper to buy a new one. iPhone 13 Pro Max. Even with the dampener I still worry as the camera is important to me. Don’t want to wreck it.
Hey Kevin, what's that guitar on your garage wall? Is there a story to that, buddy!?
What phone mount brand caused the problem?
Thank you sir for the timely warning and advice. PS - Nice Man Cave!
I had the same issue. Thank you
Peak Design now makes a competing product with a built in dampener. It’s significantly more expensive than the Quadlock, at least here in Australia. Might look at it when it’s more established in the marketplace.
You are better off carrying your phone in your jacket if you have an accident. You never know what will happen. At least it will be with you if you need it.All bluetooth functions will still work. Just a thought!
Me too! 100% agree.
My dr650 made my quad lock mounted iPhone 10 camera go wavy after a gravel ride .. was gutted , on a whim a ran a fridge magnet over the camera and it came right .. been good for last 6 months .. phone stays in my tank bag now .
Nice ad. I mean public service announcement 😁😋
Same thing happened to my iPhone with a Rokform mount and I ride a 2021 Honda Rebel 500.
Common sense told me a long time ago not to mount my phone on my Handle bars.. even thought Yamaha FZ-07 handle bars are rubber mounted..
I would think the road shock of hitting bumps would be enough to damage I-phones also falling off and getting run over by a truck ..
I carry my phone in my Leg Bag.. and have Blue Tooth for my Pak Talk Slim ear speakers. Works with both my phone and my Garmin Motorcycle GPS .. via Blue Tooth connections..
where does the charging mount plug in to? Is it plugged to a ignition keyed source or to the battery?
iPhone xr mounted to the handlebars of a 250L ruined the rear camera,only took a few hrs in the woods to do it.
Thanks for the information Kevin, God bless.
I like the ram mount better no problems
I use a Tomtom rider 550 gps for my navigation. I was using my smartphone for a gps but started having heat issues. I prefer the tomtom now. It has its quirks, but with over 7k miles on it, It’s my go to. I have it bound to my Sena headset so I am getting my turn by turn in my helmet and don’t have to take my eyes off the road. My phone stays in my pocket where it belongs.
yes to everything you said. I'll look into that tom Tom
would you also need a vibration dampener whenur just on a scooter or only high powered bike
Apple are really good at ensuring their products come with an expiration date.
Planned obsolescence. Waste of resources but good profit. All made in China mans land. Slowly but surely we will all conform to the Great Reset. Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Happens to all phones, its not just an Apple problem…
I have a motorcycle (Street Triple R), an iPhone 8 and Quad Lock mount without any vibration dampener. No issues at all, after 2500km. Must be an issue only for the latest fancy $$$ cameras, my iPhone 8 is 3,5 years old, has OIS and no issues.
2500Km is not that much, I have had this issue between 5000 and 10000KM
Yeah I killed two Motorola phone cameras on my DR350. Bought a quad lock a month ago, hope it works.
Hey Kevin, thank you for the video, really got me thinking about getting a quad lock for myself. However, I would like to know how does the mount fair at high speeds like north of 90miles an hour? I have had one of my previous iPhones fly out of the ram mount and since then anything that looks fragile throws me off. Have you been able to check its performance at higher speeds than normal? BTW, I ride the GS 850 and the R1 and I want to get this mount for both the motorcycles.
Got it on my S1000R one year now and no issues with the phone (iPhone 11)
Yeah, Apple's still a BUSINESS... SO they're most interested in "problem motorcycles" that will kill an iphone before the warranty is out... Once they no longer have to give you a free repair or whatever, you're on your own... SO no, that list is GOING to be less than complete.
Here's a decent (not perfect) litmus test for you though. Start your motorcycle and get through the "warm up" period, so the "low rpm idle" settles in, since this is probably 90% of your riding condition on the bike. Rest a hand on the wrist over a handlebar and watch your finger tips... if they bounce around, you've got "deadly vibrations"... You can usually feel it, but some of us aren't as sensitive as others... AND like I warned, NOT perfect...
You may be inclined to try the test while you're on the road, which is fine, though I can recommend using specifically your LEFT hand for that one, since you'll need the right to maintain throttle for testing "at speed"... just in case the vibrations may change... AND yes, you can test just as well with your palm up as you can palm down (regarding visibility of your fingers).
DON'T lose track of the fact you're on the road, though. It's a simple enough test, and either you've got deadly vibrations, prefer to err on the side of caution (just assume they're deadly and get the damper) or you don't... and you don't mind risking your phone on that assessment.
Pretty much all electronics are sensitive to vibrations, so any Camera, GPS, or other electronic gizmo is likely to be eventually adversely effected by riding around attached to a motorcycle... That's just worth a mention somewhere. You can find dampeners and the like to prolong the life, but they likely only reduce harm rather than quite eliminate it entirely... just to be clear. ;o)
What did apple do that fix your iphone? I'm having the same issue with the buzzing sound on the camera but the difference is there is no changes on the performance of the camera. Thanks
Thanks for the useful information!!
I have had this problem with a Ninja 650 using a Ram support (with a Iphone 8 and with an XR), also a friend of mine has had the issue on a CBR650R with an Iphone XR using a quadlock support (without a dampener)
Same thing happened to my phone, I think this happens when you try to take a picture while connected to the bike. I have a CBR 500 and after a week of riding it claimed my phone
I had this same issue with my iPone 11 riding on my GSXS750, under warranty and never again lol. I just use my 6s for GPS
Drove a simple street route of 8 mins with the vibration dampener and without. Installed a vibration app on my phone and my simple tests shows that the phone shakes less without the vibration dampeners. Not sure what to think about this product at this point. My app says the phone shakes less with no vibration dampeners. Also the phone visibly shakes less without the dampeners. I would add images but can’t on this thread, however, I recommend you guys all run your own independent test.
I'm using the quad lock vibration dampener on my BMW F800GT (which is the in the list), with my Samsung S20+. I know it's not an iphone, but better safe than sorry. The autofocus system in these phones is probably very similar and subject to vibration damage.
It doesn't matter if you're using android or apple, all phones with image stabilization are at risk. Only older phones or any phone without an image stabilization are safe to be used without a dampener.
Hi Kevin, is that the IPhone 12 you have? My IPhone 11 (out of warranty) camera broke down because of a fixed phone mount on my handle bar. I bought the new IPhone 12 now and put it in my jacket. I’m missing my navigation, so maybe the quad lock is a option 🤔.
This happens to phones with Optical Image Stabilization because of the mechanical gyroscopic lens/sensor that can be damaged by vibrations.
Pro tip. Use a crappy backup phone. Any android or iPhone can be used with Google maps and tethered. No worries about dropping the phone or damaging it. Best advice I've ever used.
I'm doing that after i killed one phone
Good idea. I want to buy the new iPhone 13 but i will keep my old phone for using on the bike.
I mounted my Note 10+ on the tank to use as a GPS.
I have a Kawasaki Vulcan S and it does create issues on my phone. When I turn on the camera, it turns really shaky. But it fixes itself after a while. Sometimes minutes, sometimes hours.
For how long it will keep fixing itself, I don't know, but I'm not planning to stop using it as GPS.
I'm also using Quadlock, but not the vibration dampener. Might order it.
Quad Lock w/ VD does not work well if mounted on Apes and in more of a “vertical” orientation. Vibrates even worse than without the VD! Phone has to be more in a horizontal orientation for this to work. Found that out first hand, almost destroyed my camera on my iPhone as well as some other apps that locked up. Was lucky to find this out without any permeant damage to my iPhone. Went back to my TackForm mount.
Question, is the Rocket III one of the known bikes causing issues?
It’s not an Android/IOS ISSUE, it all depends on what cellphone you have, or rather what kind of camera your cellphone has.
I’ve had my iPhone 7 Plus mounted on several bikes for about five years - without any kind of dampener - and no issues. On my 1250GS I now have the iPhone in an adapter fitted in the Nav6 mount. There’s no dampener whatsoever here either.
The iPhone 7 has a stabilizer in the camera, obviously it is not as sensitive as later iPhones. My iPhone 12 Pro always stays in my pocket.
If I need a navigation function (Maps etc) or want to listen to music/radio I let the 7 share internet data with the iPhone 12.
probably comes down to the specific sensor as well, Ive got a oneplus 8 pro with OIS and thousands of miles using the ABSOULTE cheapest mount on my 1200 sportster, never had a single issue. Ive done some research into this issue, and it really seemed like apple phones had a higher failure rate. considering that basically any android phone in the same realm of price >500usd also has OIS nowadays just saying it cause apple is "more common" doesnt really explain it.
not to mention apple had to put out a warning about it.
not to say this doesnt happen to android phones, but that if you have an Iphone you might want to be extra worried about it. (and feel the need to spend a few hundreds of dollars on a mount lol)
It's only a problem with IPhone. Doesn't happen to other brands.
Yep, using a 6s and not an issue all this time.
Seen others have issues with Androids also, it isn't new, last 4-5years or so.
Why no matter what clamp style or the product, I always cut a strip of bicycle inner tube to go between the metal and the clamp to reduce vibration
Thanks for the PSA
thank you kevin
Not in the phone pouch pocket of my riding jacket... Which is where mine always is while moving.
If i need to check location because I'm not sure where I am, I pull over and kickstand down. I was able to find a route for decades before Garmin or Google Maps.
I don't answer calls or read texts while moving.
I know i can't do two things at once. A man's gotta know his limitations.