Beginner Trail Braking - How To Get Started
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Trail braking isn't just a racetrack technique. In this video I show an easy way for beginners to get started learning to trail brake on their motorcycles.
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Do you trail brake? If not, why?
No I do not. Now I know how to get started. Thanks for the tips! 😎
I have never felt the need to trail brake since I find it more comfortable to enter a turn at what I feel is a proper speed. I am not a high performance (fast) rider, but I like to be able to judge a good entry speed higher than posted. If I'm going a bit too fast by the time I'm at the center of the turn, I simply counter steer a bit harder, lean a bit more, but lay off the brakes.
Having said that, your suggested practice method is the very best I've seen anywhere and something I can practice and still feel safe. I'll try it, but again, I really do not see this as a technique that I really need to have in my toolbox. By the way, my bike has an anti-lock mechanism and I wonder if it will save me if I apply the front brake a bit too hard in these kinds of trail braking turns? Anybody know?
No. I let off all the brakes as I lean a bike for street cornering. This includes engine braking. At higher entry speed, there's no time to taper off brake and roll on throttle by the time bike reaches max lean for the corner. You end up needing to quick flick just to take a good safe line.
I don't always enter corners fast enough to need to quick flick. But if you practice it regularly even in corners where you don't, you're prepared for it in case you do brake too late and enter a corner too fast. And you're freeing up as much traction as possible for your cornering speed, to handle unknown road conditions.
Racers trail brake in different conditions (wider track) and for reasons which don't apply to street riding. They do it to pass other riders or to shave time out of a wide corner by making it shorter, tighter, slower at the apex, and more dangerous. They add risk when they do this, in order to shave a tenth.
These videos are likely popular because braking destabilizes the bike and makes it lean "fast" and without bar pressure. For someone who cannot steer their bike quickly (lots of people don't know how), this is fast. For riders who know how to steer their bikes, this is very slow.
@@mildyproductive9726 I don't think you understand trail braking. It's actually the safest technique for street riding. It allows you to continue to slow in a corner if necessary. Also puts more weight on the front tire and stabilizes the suspension.
There is always time to trail brake because your braking should start before tip in. Then you taper off as you reach the slowest point of the corner.
@@mototipz While I can see a benefit of braking when you're already taking a corner slowly, the last sentence is where I will just agree to disagree.
Racers artificially create a "slow point" in their corner when they are on a wide wide track and they turn in very early on purpose. This is when and where they trail off the brakes as they get to the "slow/tight point" they created by turning in early. This makes the corner more dangerous. But they know how the corner ends, and they are taking a significant shortcut when they do it. Their line through the corner is shorter enough that they come out slightly ahead, even though their apex and exit speed is slower. They will exit on the verge of highsiding/wheelying in order to gain back that speed quickly and still shave a tiny fraction of a second.
The street is too narrow to make this big of a shortcut. You need to stay in a very small part of your lane until you can see your exit. So there should be no "slow point" in the corners out in the twisties. You should be turning in much later and quicker compared to the early trailbraking line that a racer often makes, then make a circular arc through the corner in maintenance throttle up until you can see the exit. When you can see the exit, you can optionally steer the bike into a slightly deeper lean to clip the apex, so you can accelerate earlier. Turning in early is committing early. You need to know the corner before you can do that, and for street riders there would be no benefit anyway.
Can you turn in late while dragging brake? Sure you can, if you're taking the corners slowly enough. But why would you do that? That's spending traction points on something you don't need to buy.
Finally ! a video that shows you how to actually do it without the physics class. Thank You !
I'm new to internationally doing this. I always thought it was "against the rules" to do this. Between this and the friction zone, slow turns become more manageable. Thanks bro,good video
appreciate this tremendously
Best trail brake video out here! All these guys talk, talk and talk and I still don’t really understand how exactly to trail brake. Simple short and informative! Thanks brotha!
You made it look easy because it is. I didn't realise that ive been trail braking all along.
It is easy and if you drive a car you are most likely already doing it in the car. On a motorcycle you just have to be smoother on the controls.
This is so much easier than the MSF method because you simply turn in even if you didn't finish braking. Very helpful when turning from a higher speed-limit road to a lower speed-limit road, and safer in blind turns, decreasing radius turns, or turns with potential stops.
Probably safer to have less speed in the first place...
MSF teaches to finish braking before the turn because they don't want people crashing due to grabbing the brakes hard in a turn. MSF is like preschool. In order to progress you have to take more training and practice.
This helped tremendously Bill! Looks fun to do as well! Thank you! 😊
You're very welcome!
For me it was impossible to brake and turn at the same time but them i learned to brake with my harms relaxed. By braking my harms would naturaly stay firm not allowing me to counterstear them focused on relaxing my harms and finally did it. 😊
Relaxed hands definitely helps.
What is trail braking?
What's the real purpose? Just faster corner entry/exit? I've always learned that Trail breaking was important for changing the geometry of the bike with the compression of the front forks. But with that GS (same bike I ride) and the Tele-lever front suspension the geometry isn't supposed to change.
To keep pressure on the front tire to keep the suspension settled and to provide the maximum grip on the front tire.
Safer, faster, and more control.
For me the biggest fear is to when release the brake and by how much. All the theory about unloading the suspension to quickly got me paranoid. So what's the deal?
The easiest way to think about it is this: you should trail off the brakes at the same rate you are getting to your max lean angle for that turn. For a quick transition you may be trailing off fairly quickly. For a big sweeping turn you'll be trailing off much slower. To start just hold a small amount of brake pressure 5-10%. As you get comfortable you'll be able to use more pressure and then trail off to that 5% at the end of your braking.
Thank you. Practice makes perfect shame it's snowing...
Remember that most of the braking force is applied before the turn while the bike is upright. The weight is shifted forward and then we start countersteering and leaning. From the first degrees of lean we keep removing brake pressure gradually, in a gentle (non abrupt) manner. When we are happy with our current corner speed, it is time we released the brakes (it should be very little pressure by that time), and either apply maintenance throttle if we are well before the apex, or remove lean angle and accelerate if we are on the apex and we can see the exit clearly. No input should be done quickly, abruptly etc.
What DCAT said. “Smooth” is the word. Every input you have to the motorcycle should be done in a smooth manner. Keep the word smooth in your head while you’re out riding and practicing and you would be amazed at the difference, and enjoyment, of the ride.
So, why do it? I've been riding for decades and put on hundreds of thousands of miles and don't seem to have ever done it, at least consciously. What's the point?
Thanks
If you are already on your lean and in the process of trailing off the brakes, then suddenly you need to stop? Do you continue pressing the front brake, or apply the rear brake instead?
Front brake. But it should be applied in a smooth progressive manner. Any abrupt inputs (brake or throttle) while at lean could cause a loss of traction.
@@mototipz I've been trying this but really could not get it. In that situation, front brake only slows me down, but not a complete stop. I once tried to grip but gives me a low side.
sorry my english is not perfect, when exactly do you release the break? when at maximum lean?
It's dependent on the turn and how fast you're riding. The important thing is to continue to break as you tip in and trail off as you reach maximum lean.
do you start trailing off brake pressure before or after tipping the bike for a turn?
Usually during but it depends on the turn.
You ride with motojitsu??
Yes. We ride a lot together.
Are you using rear or front brake?
Primarily front brake. Usually a little rear brake too. On the BMW GS the brakes are integrated so even if you aren't applying the rear brake, the system will apply the rear brake as well.
What's the point of doing this. I have a Husky FE 350, in the trails I open up the has and powerslide with my foot out and my crotch up on the tank. Never heard of this before.
Trail braking is a street riding tactic. It has virtually no application in the dirt.