Trail Braking Explained | Braking Mid-Corner
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- Опубліковано 11 лис 2022
- Today we’re going to talk about trail braking and braking mid-corner in general, for a street riding. How is Trail Braking different from Braking Mid-corner, what are the benefits of this techniques, what are the drawbacks, how to do it properly and why every good rider should learn how to trail brake. Motorcycle Trail Braking Explained: with examples and exercises!
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A little info about me. My name is Andrei Bodrov, originally I'm from Moscow, Russia, and now I live in Buenos Aires, Argentina. Back in Moscow I was a motorcycle instructor and creator of Moto Control Beginner & Advanced motorcycle rider courses, which quickly became the most popular courses in Moscow (well, at least the advanced one😁). My advanced training course makes emphasis on slow speed riding techniques at first (such as good clutch and throttle control, proper riding posture, proper use of vision, etc.), then proceeds to more advanced techniques (such as aggressive braking, trail braking, maximal lean angle). The course incorporates a lot of exercises from DOSAF slow speed riding (similar to police rodeo like motorcycle training in USA), braking and cornering exercises and motogymkhana style riding. And now, since I actively learn English - I decided to post some useful videos for both your and mine practice!😉
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Since everyone writes this, it's necessary, I suppose 🤷, so here we go. Disclaimer: Ride at your own risk, you are responsible for your own safety. Me, Andrey Bodrov and my channel, Moto Control disclaim any liability incurred in connection with the use of riding techniques from this channel. Use common sense, wear full protective gear and ride in a safe and predictable manner!
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"Don't fight the handlebars" - this is the single most important lesson that NOBODY talks about. When you learn to let go of your "death grip", you will realise how easy and smooth riding a motorcycle really is. You also need to grasp the importance of holding on with your ankles and knees to get the most feedback from your bike (which also is the pre-requisite of my earlier point).
Well said
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Absolutely 💯. Steer with your legs
Hey Russian guy, this is American guy. I love what you are doing on yt!
I tell my kids who ride on the street to watch your vids & practice!
They don't want to listen to me!!!
I recently found this channel and the other one I watch is MotoJitsu both are Very Informative..
@@danw.3291 same here. I started riding 60 years ago. My daughter & her husband are new to riding. We did a lot of Moto Jitsu's drills in a parking lot. Even this old fart found out he wasn't as pro as he thought!!!
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I've watched many trail braking videos and never understood what many youtubers were describing. Your video is very clear, and you describe trail braking in all aspects making it easier to understand for beginners. Thank you very much.
I hope i found hindi version😢
Excellent description of trail braking. Thank you, Andrei. As a loyal subscriber who's always found you to be the best on YT at explaining techniques so succinctly, it's no surprise you've done the same with trail braking. Too many UA-camrs are longwinded their attempts to describe it, and the concept gets lost in translation. Plus, you're always on-point in your comedic timing! 😃
Thanks😁
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For people who were taught never to brake mid corner: Another good way to think about it is that you have always been trailbraking through a corner, you just didn't know it. Trail braking is not just braking with the front tire. And braking is not just using the brakes. When you engine brake through a corner, you are doing the same thing to the rear tire as if you were in a higher gear and dragging the rear brake. But the advantages of loading the front tire are immense, so it is more effective to trail brake the front tire - but there is no inherent danger, you've always been doing it with the rear :)
This is such good instruction/background. This channel should be much bigger.
this is the best YT video i've seen on trail braking. tyvm.
Thanks once again for the lessons. Love the channel!
Cheers from the Netherlands!
The best trail taking video out there!
Great informative video as usual
Very clear explanation of all the aspects of trail braking. Well done!👏
most understandable video I've seen on the subject, well done
Best motorcycle learning channel ever! Clear, simple, practical, logical... Thanks 👍
Thanks a lot from France.
Far the best video I have Seen on that topic!
Pretty clear explanation about trail braking ,nice
I love this channel. Keep up the good work! The two most valuable lessons for street riding I've learned on track courses are trail breaking and relaxing my body :)
Fantastic video. Very didactic/practical. If the person is not interested, becomes limited, they can spend years without walking in a safer and faster way (however contradictory it may initially seem). Many of these techniques, you have to learn in practice through your own perception/experience, making some silly mistakes and analyzing what happened to learn, but nothing like a very explanatory video like this to consolidate all aspects. Simply sensational! Tks bro!
Excellent work! Very useful video,also I enjoy your slightly humorous presentation. A great series ,thank you from Australia.
Excellent explanation and very high quality photography, thank you very much
Very cool guy. I wish he would teach lessons in person.
Thanx for a very clear explanation of the concept of trail breaking. I'm certainly going to do the parking lot exercice as described. Love your videos and approach. Thumbs up.
Thank you for such a clear and straightforward explanation of trail braking. I’ve been trying to understand it for a awhile, but you finally made sense of it for me. I also really appreciate the practical practice exercises you illustrated. Practicing on the street has not been something I’ve been comfortable trying. Thank you very much! I’m very glad to be a new subscriber!
Fantastic video as usual and very informative.. thanks so much for your efforts, keep up the good work 👏.
Trail braking always felt natural to me, I was doing it before I knew it was a thing. It also comes in handy while lane splitting in stand still traffic.
Trail braking with the rear in that latter case.
I had a very high expectation on your trailbraking video. You just blew my mind….Astounding quality!!! More than perfect!!!
Excellent descrition and exercises. The struggle with trail braking I've had was knowing how much to keep the brake engaged. Looking forward to trying these exercises to hone that skill. Thank you.
I didn't know i've been trail braking this whole time already until I watched this. I only stopped doing it for a while when it sent me on a high side, but apart from that, I really thought it's just a fundamental basic that comes from learning how to ride since day-one. Thank you for explaining all of this.
Excellent, now I understand Trail Braking better.
Thanks for your Videos. I am learning more from your Videos than Anywhere else on the Internet. This is incredible Knowledge you are passing on, and will save a Lot of Lives.👍👍
Super as always mate superrr good !!! great job
After searching on the web to learn what Trail Breaking really is, I finally found your video. Perfect. Thanks so much.
Compliments. A lot of correct and clear information in a relatively short clip. And I've only been wearing bikes for the past 53 years.
When you push the rear break it also helps setting the front suspension in. I start breaking by applying 15-20% (by feel... that's my estimate) - just a slow tap on the rear break half a second before I engage the front break. I always used the rear for a full corner trail breaking and the front only for about half of the radius(the entrance for the apex). I'll try doing what you said next time I ride.
You make me want to go outside and practice on the parkinglot! Great video! Thank you!
Great job!!
Your videos are very informative and based on solid study.
Thanks for making high quality educational videos!
A really great explanation of trail braking!
As you mentioned it is useful for decreasing radius turns. There are two other techniques that may be used with decreasing radius turns. Late apex and progressive turning. If you try to fit a circular arc (constant radius) into a decreasing radius turn, you will move the apex a bit towards the end of the turn. Often you can't just use late apex alone. It geometrically can't be done. You need either trail braking or progressive turning. Progressive turning. Because the radius decreases. you would run off the inside of the turn if you went to maximum lean angle immediately. This is the tip off for progressive leaning So, you lean moderately where the radius is bigger and lean harder where the radius is smaller. The good news: you can use trail braking, late apex and progressive leaning alone or in any combination.
Gracias amigo, you've done it again
Good stuff. Thank you.
THANKS A LOT ANDREJ
Excellent 🙌
I’m new here, but I love this content
Excellent work 👍👍.. very nice explanation on trail braking.. keep posting man 👍👍
this is something next level in easy english. thanks
I really like how you teach, I learned a lot from you, thank you!
thanks that was helpful!
You are amazing teacher 🎉
Great explanation 👌 👍 👏 😀
Very good and informative videos
This is something motorcyclists can learn from bikers, as a former avid biker i can tell you trail braking is normal for us, we call is shaving speed as we enter a corner.
If it wasnt for my experience riding MTB on trails, i wouldnt know how to properly trail brake
Make a video on ENGINE BRAKING sir!!!!!!! Love the way you explain & please provide practise exercises for it.
I dont have a bike, just curious. Been watching bike videos for at least a year now, only few days ago found this channel. This channel is the only one that has new and useful information. Those youtube algorithm chasing idiots who just spam content for the sake of it dont know what they are talking about. In hindsight its very clear that they spout non-sense and dangerous advice, once I found a guy who knows whats he talking about.
Excellent
Awesome Eric Andre reference 😂 and fantastic explanation of trail braking
Best explanation! Unfortunately we didn't speak enough IRL on training. Well known place on the picture
Man never stop doing these videos, we see You all the way from down here in Latin America muchacho 😁
Greetings from the pprc great video thanks for doing it for us.🇺🇸🏍
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i use rear brake for trail braking.. because my bike has a CBS braking system, where using rear brake also activates front brake, however, it's tuned to apply equal pressure on both brakes. so, no sudden fork dive even if you brake a little too hard on corners..
Congratulations and thank you as this is the best trail breaking explanation I've ever seen; simple, bit by bit and made easy to digest... No offense to native english speaker channels but it is what it is as I think they like to rush and complicate things...
Thanks, I'm glad to be helpful😊
Thanks!
Thank you!
😊😊😊😊😊😊 thanks again great information
Thanks 👍
Nice n tnx
There is one thing that’s always missing when somebody tries to teach others trail braking: the throttle. Some people keep the throttle a little bit open during the trail braking, others close it completely. I was told that I shouldn’t give my bike two contrary inputs (throttle makes your bike geometry longer, and increases the cornering radius while break does the opposite). Also it’s super important to practice being smooth not only on the throttle but on the brakes as well. Just like with the clutch - do not release the lever too abruptly, otherwise you will make the suspension very upset 😅
On some bikes the engine braking is very strong, and when you start opening the throttle the bike jorks. This can be fixed by leaving a minimal amount of throttle open during braking in the corner. Or the easier way is to remap the ECU so that it doesn't cut the fuel so much when the throttle is closed, but that is not free.
@@Ringer1982 that makes sense. My concern is that in the mentioned “wheel of grip” braking and acceleration are on the opposite sides. It sounds like trying to turn left and right at the same time…
@@ItIsMyRide not braking and accelerating at the same time of course. I meant 1% of throttle open stadily. During idle the bike has some forward momentum and usually high cc bikes will be rolling forward when the throttle is closed. For sport the bikes could be tuned for different amount of engine braking and different idle RPM, from the factory bikes can be tuned not ideally because of the emission complience. Having just a touch of open throttle in the corner is just one possible way to mitigate that kick in the start of acceleration. But it requires a lot of precission and concentration, I usually don't do that, usually I just use higher gear to smooth out the transition. Or sometimes I use a bit of rear brake before opening the throttle, that also smoothes out the kick.
@@ItIsMyRide Maybe that wheel of grip means physics laws? I mean from the physics perspective you indeed can either accelerat, or move with constant speed (including zero :) ), or brake.
Throttle is big topic, I could write an essay here, but I'll make a video instead😁 Thanks for the idea!
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Hey buddy , I truly appreciate your practical training method. On trail braking , my biggest dilemma is how to maintain speed while I am braking since my natural handlebar posture is split fingers hence when I squeeze the front brake with 2 fingers the posture automatically rolls off the throttle which slows me down significantly in corners while attempting trail braking. Can you please help me correctly apply trail braking with the split fingers braking posture.
Спасибо огромное
I’ve noticed on a lot of American videos when they trail break they are low siding but in uk you don’t see this very often
It's important with trail braking that you can apply brake pressure without stiffening up your arms. Maybe that's why they don't teach it to beginners. Beginners might tense up their arms when they apply the brakes. You can practice braking in curves in a parking lot.
1:40 the best graph ever.
@Moto Control Hi Andrey, I think this video is as good as always. Thank you for that! However, may I know what's your opinion about "Rev Matching"? Would you please make a video to talk about it?
Hi! Yes, I'm planning to do a video about rev matching!
Excellent work !! Love this channel.
As much as I consider trail braking a must in blind corners and downhill turns, I am not convinced that the use of it during a race is to go faster. I think GP riders trail brake to prevent other riders to pass them at corner entry.
During qualifying laps, you don't see much trail braking on the telemetry (e.g., Quartararo).
It doesn't allow a race bike to corner faster. It allows the bike to brake later on the approach to the corner. Racers are aiming to brake at the last possible moment they can, while still making the corner with a good line. In some corners, they might occasionally enter it with nearly 100% of the bike/rider wieght on the front tire. From here, the brakes must be trailed off while leaning in the bike; if you simply let go of 100% brakes all at once as you leaned, the forks would sproing up like a jack in the box. Apex/exit speeds will actually decrease, the more a racer does this... he's shaving time in the braking zone, by braking later, despite making the apex slightly tighter and slower.
So on a given track, on a given bike, a racer might trail brakes fairly deep on some of the corners, even in a qualifying lap. For sure, racers change up how they take the corners to avoid getting passed and/or to setup passes. But trail braking can improve lap times with the right conditions, by allowing the rider to brake later coming into the corner.
This is exactly why lower class bikes carry slightly more apex speed on a given track, on average. They aren't approaching the corners as fast, so they don't need to brake as hard. Thus they won't achieve maximum 100% weight transfer to the front tire on as many of their corners, even when braking as late as possible. Thus they don't have the same degree of "penalty." They don't have to trail off brakes as long/deep to retain front traction as they lean, because they started with less weight on the front tire to begin with.
Great practice. Thank you. I will be glad if you reply this, if we do trail breaking in the corner and keep it until we see exit, how much counter steering force we will apply high, less or medium? In standard cornering method we use instant counter steering but is that same for tail breaking method
Thank hou
Letting off the throttle will pull the front tire to the inside of the turn as well.
You’re a great instructor. You tamales about what to do with the front break while turning fast through a turn but Ibdont understand what you do with the throttle during trail breaking. Do you come off the throttle completely when entering the turn and let the engine coast? Do you stay on the throttle and keep it constant? I know you accelerate when existing a turn but what do you do with the throttle when entering a turn and while inside the turn?
Explained very clearly! (Я бы хотел знать, есть ли канал на русском или с переводом?)
Is this also applicable on a scooter?
btw i know you aren't in Argentina ... but i remember that you have said that you are?
Do you keep the throttle open during trail breaking? Or do you close it?
8:22 why do you learn forward as you open the throttle on the dirt bike? Is is because of the bike geometry or is it because you are in a turn?
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I’m a slow rider and always used trail braking. I didn’t even know what it was until someone told me. A very fast mate says he never trail brakes and if his entry speed is too high he’s screwed. I don’t believe him but can’t keep up long enough to check his brake light😂
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when you come down a mountain pass with a bicycle most people will apply trailbraking, right?
New rider here. How is that when you apply the brakes harder mid corner the bike stands up? I assumed it would just fall into a deeper lean angle and fall due to the fact that only acceleration brings the bike up straight.
The police motorcycle riders in uk say you should not trail break and these are experts
"freak out and fall from a cliff somewhere.."...too funny
Been doing trail braking for decades as it worked for me but I thought I had developed a bad technique as nobody was saying it was a positive riding technique.
Would be interested to know when this became an established technique for the road.... Or did I miss something in rider training all those years ago
I have used it to greatest effect on track so assume this was the techniques place of origin ?
Don't know when it became mainstream really, in track riding it was used for ages (at least as I was taught😁). It is not on beginner rider course usually though. Some people develop it naturally, that means you have good observation skills and do tend to experiment a little:)
Excersices start at 9:10
So is this why sometimes people use their right foot to work the brake and the gas? In manual transmission cars that is.
So you can finish braking, downshift, and rev match all simultaneously?
Or is this just silly?
Reason rally car racers do this is their engines are like motorcycle engines. High revving little turbo charged screamers. If they simply let off the brake pedal midcorner with gas completely closed, they'd lose traction and spin out the rear, due to the engine braking. They start adding gas while letting off the brakes so that the engine braking lets off at the same time as the rest of the brakes, into neutral throttle.
Great video! Can I ask which a* gloves you are wearing after 9:40 ?! Thank you in advance!
Alpinestars SP-something:) They are discontinued, so I can't find the exact model.
@@MotoControlEn Thank you, your effort to respond to all the comments is highly appreciated 👍🏽
I have a doubt about it, when you are applying trail breaking entering and in mid curve, do you need to have the clutch pressed all the way in? I have a tendency to always do that, whenever I apply the breaks I also apply the clutch.
You should not be pulling the clutch in during a corner just because you are using a tiny bit of brake during trail braking. You should be applying enough power to the rear tire to maintain speed through the corner, also known as maintenance throttle. You will be slowing down in every corner if you are always pulling in the clutch. I will encourage you to take a basic rider training course to get some help with your riding.