Is Trail Braking Necessary For Every Corner?
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- Опубліковано 16 лип 2022
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Share this with a friend who's new to the twisties! Hope you like my new editor, I sure do! :) More videos to come and I'll release them all early here www.patreon.com/motojitsu
Audio is about perfect and yeah, kudos to your editor!
After the 7 minute mark you mention “0” throttle. Does that mean maintaining a stable throttle position until acceleration?
Motorcycling is such a cerebral experience! Videos like this one provide the type of high quality monologue I like to have running in my noodle during every ride. The road stays interesting at any speed with valuable stuff like this to work on.
Probably your best video yet.
Glad you added its fine to practice body position. I've had riding buddies pull me up on getting off the side when not needed. making assumptions I was trying to impress or I thought that was needed to corner, when I was purely working on getting comfortable in that position prior to going at a pace where it was required. My point never assume, all those guys may have been trying to add skill to the toolkit, unless you asked them you don't know.
I think this is a very important video.I think some folks believe trail braking is an all or nothing thing and it's not. I've spent a lot of time and energy researching the concepts of trail braking. Your videos have been very helpful. Its saved my bacon more than once on some downhill curves. They don't call the book your recommend Total Control for nothing. :)
Man I love your breakdowns dude, you are a fantastic instructor. Just took Total Control's intermediate clinic at luganua Seca Friday, great crew, Ofir, Evee, can't remember the others. Can't wait to take another course! Picked up the book too after your constant recs... You didn't lie this book is gold, everyone should have it.
Jared Hansen you mind sharing the title of the book, always looking to improve my skills, thanks
The Best instructor
Greg talks about it all the time, it's called Total Control: high performance street riding techniques by Lee Parks. Get the 2nd edition, it has a blue cover.
@@jaredhansen4711 thanks brother appreciate it
Sooo simple, this thought process, but often disregarded... Your pace changes quite a few things, brilliant video Greg.
Absolutely fantastic content. Even though I knew all of this by now from my own driving, training, bike setup and track experience over the years, its still nice to see a video/content where everthing that is talked about is 100% spot on! Hopefully as many riders as possible will see this and learn something from it, well explained as well so should be easy to grasp.
Great video.!
Funny…the other day I was whipping through my favorite twisties (Hwy 41 between Atascadero and Shandon, California…try it some time) and found myself thinking, “What would Greg say to me if he was following?”
Focusing on my lines. Seeking perfection. Building skill. Practicing every chance I get. And I’m a WAY experienced rider on the road. (Not the track.)
Listen to this guy.
I recently messaged you on Instagram about this topic, thanks for the awesome video! This is exactly what I was lookin for! Sounds like misuse of tools at inappropriate speeds for me.
Great video Greg. I use to teach a number of boating related courses and I use to preface my courses by saying that I certainly do not know everything about being out on the water but what I am about to share with you you can take to the bank. I also told them they should leave this course knowing that there is a lot to learn about safe boating so you need to take additional courses. I find your videos are excellent and reinforce many riding principles and like my boating instructional days, a reminder to myself that I need to be continuing to learn by taking additional, or repeating, instructional courses on an on-going basis. And yes, “ I need to shut up and practice”.
Pace Q&A. Thank you for everything you do for us, Greg!
That is an excellent video actually brilliant! It is the first time I have ever seen where it is explained using different skills at different paces,excellent!!
Pace q&a. I practice your teaching every time I go riding. Thank you for the knowledge.
Thank for all tips , helps a lot with my fairs to turns.
Greetings from Trinidad and Tobago, thank you for your advices, I am a new rider🙂
Sharing!! Thanks Greg!!
Thanks for the great content!! Keep it up, have a great day!!
Great video as always, really helpful when you mentioned about practicing at lower speeds being a legitimate way to improve because as a new rider I always worry about pushing speed too much (already come off once), you’ve probably mentioned this before and I’ve missed it but thanks anyways
Great Video and most important of all putting things in perspective!
Hey brother. Thanks for such an informative video. Do you happen to have any videos in regards to making turns in the city?
I really need to study the CHAMP course I bought through your link. The light bulb came on in this video while you were talking about trail braking.
Thanks for the insights.
thank you , I so needed that explanation, I will add it to my tool bag
Thanks! These videos have made me a much safer rider!
If i could have watched this 40 years ago i would have been a much better rider. Luckily your never to old to learn. Great content Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
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I can relate, starting riding a bit later in life…….now 75; still learning:).
Just found this channel, great name. Great information. 👍🏾
I agree. I believe you may have misunderstood my question...Of those 4 fundamentals, 3 and 4 are reversed at different points in the video. Just wondered which order was correct and/or if it really matters. Thank you though for responding, much appreciated.
Superb content, like always. I've learned more from your videos than from my riding instructor.
Wow very well edited and very well explained on using the tools you need when and not well done Greg 👏
Excellent breakdown Greg 👏🏽
Thank s for the video, learning from Europe !
Great video thanks Fast Eddie but I do have a counter comment to a point you raise Sir. You mention you see the riders shifting there weight, centre of gravity and using “tools” they don’t need at the slower speeds when cornering. I do that. I do it a lot. I call it practice. It’s really help me hone my Corning skills whilst not under the added pressure of higher speed cornering and has allowed me to safely work on a number of areas like feet position, hooking the tank with outside leg, standing the bike up early out of turns, etc, etc. This has really paid off for me and was all much safer than trying to use these tools at higher speeds. Great work and please keep it up thank you.
very well explained, apply more advanced techniques as the speed and complexity of the terrain increses to keep the motorcycle on your intended path.
Summed up perfectly!. As said earlier, pace determines everything...
Awesome video!!
Thank you, I haven't been riding for about 6 years, got back on a bike and I am just not smooth any more. I brake before the corner, try to look ahead and estimate how sharp the corner is, which then leads to either going really slow into a tighter corner, or needing to lean or adjust more in corner, I do NOT touch the brakes in a corner as I am afraid it will stand the bike up or wash out the front. This helps me, I will try instead of braking hard, then committing, I will try to ease off and practice trail braking to get smoother.
Thanks!
Brilliant as usual. Thanks
Great video!
Pace Q+A. Awesome videos. Practice, Practice, Practice!
Another great explanation on riding! Also what bike were u riding?
Excellent info as always👍👍
Great video everything you said in this video makes 100% sense to me
Greg,
Quick question and certainly not trying to sharp shoot you. In this latest video at 2:45 you mention 1) Vision 2) Throttle Control 3) Counter Steering 4) Brakes. At 3:00 the basic steps 3 & 4 are reversed. I keep a little notebook with what I feel are your best tips. What's your preference on steps 3 & 4? Thanks Greg and keep up the great job you do for us!
My impression is that he was articulating his four fundamentals that can be applied (creating a group: “fundamentals”) that you can use and apply to circumstances as appropriate (i.e., tools in the toolbox).
Yeah these aren't steps. They're fundamental skills.
Pace QNA! Thank you for everything!
Excellent choice of topic! Very informative and a quality video. You have explained it very clearly. In fact, I think all your videos are explained so clearly with practical things we can all learn from.
thanks
Pace Q&A Great content as always
A simple to understand and accurate riding lesson
Perfect. Thank you. ATVB
One of your best videos ever. Hope EVERYBODY watch this.
Nice Video. Thanks Sir.👍
Wow this video really made a lot of sense
Good points!
thanks
So clear, so good
thanks!
Great video as usual. I raced motocross and flat track professionally in 70’s. Flat track no brakes. Anyway, I always buy bikes with as much electronic Nannie’s as possible. Stability control with lean abs/lean TC. Stability control mandated on cars starting 2012. I am sure it will be mandated on motorcycles soon. Euro 4 required ABS. Euro 5 required TC. Ducati and KTM 99% of their bikes stability control standard. USA always follows Europe. I feel I can trail brake longer and more effectively safely with lean sensitive ABS. Maybe you could discuss electronic aspects with riding fast safely. Thx
I have gone through BMW car driving courses Spartanburg, SC M Classes several. We race with and without stability control at the very edges what a car can do or not. It’s amazing what electronic can do. Electronics make 200 horsepower bikes rideable no fighting wheelies and loss traction. I own a Super Duke and MV AGusta 800 rr Dragster
Thank you!
welcome
I never stop learning and your videos help out. Also nice helmet…I have the same helmet.
RF-SR?
@@motoontheweekend Shoei RF-1200 but upgrading soon. It’s a good helmet
Hi, kindly inform when to change gears while doing trail breaking. Please explain it Thanks
Great video
Pace Q&A great video
This video will save lives .👍
I was literally about to buy that suit
Do you have a video on downshifting while breaking. For example downshifting as your coming to a stop. Thank you! For example your in 3rd and need to slow come to a stop. Would you advise to downshift and use the breaks simultaneously?
Use the tool required for the task at hand.....pretty simple stuff
Speaking about the riders in front of you leaning off their bike and you are going at a slow normal pace. Maybe they are practicing the movements needed for the faster turns without adding the level of speed. Is that possible?
have you tried the UK police cornering technique, position, slow in fast out, they don't encourage braking on corners, just asking.
Love and greetings from Bhutan 🇧🇹 my GURU
What's that bar on the tank called and what is it for?
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It's understandable that the pace on tracks is much quicker. But what about grip? Does track have higher grip than other types of roads?
Does this work for freeways,I live in Northern California and have a few tight twistiest down the highway should I trail break at 70 mph around a corner I can’t see through.
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Do you have a video out that shows how you apply the brakes in a corner when none was applied to begin with?
I think the trail braking video covers it.
Pace Q&A - These are tools in a toolbox. You select the best tool to accomplish the task at hand. This applies to everything in life.
Right.......thought this was just common sense
When I'm cornering and counter steering I always feel like will lose the front? Why's that
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It's never good to ride in the middle because that's the oily part of the road where the oil drips from cars and trucks
Thanks for the awesome video - a quick question if I may… so when you say “zero throttle”, does it mean “maintenance throttle” or literally no throttle at all? Thanks!
He’s pretty deliberate with his words so I imagine he means zero
@@Fee.1 I guess so too.
When he said "zero throttle" he also said "brakes". Not supposed to use maintenance throttle when braking.
@@404nobrakes That is true 👌
Are you using the clutch at all when trail braking? Is it needed when even just touching the front brakes?
the clutch has nothing to do with braking or trail braking...only time you touch the clutch is when you're shifting
@@MotoJitsu perfect, thank you! Great content and very helpful. 🤙🏼
This was all explained so well! It makes perfect sense ❤️🌈
What about the clutch ? When cornering i don’t use the clutch when i am riding in the same gear . Let’s say 4th gear . I just let go of the throttle apply brakes and then at the end of the corner i throttle back but no clutch at all . Is that okay or not? Please reply asap
If your speed is good/enough for the corner you don't have to worry about the clutch or changing gears. When you are leaned over you want to avoid changing gears if possible that's why you make sure you're in the correct gear and at the right speed for the corner before you enter it. When possible I prefer to add throttle slightly as I go through the corner, which helps with the stability of the bike as well.
Makes sense?
Ride safe my friend!
lol this makes a lot of sense
Were I live in uk I would class that as a straight road not twisty roads
Brecon Beacons?
I just ate some scotch finger biscuits. They were great
Hennessy… That’s Cognac… Not Scotch! 😉
Use the proper tool for the job. No need to break out the sledge when a pushpin will do.
At what point is it not worth riding to a twisty road? I live almost 2 hours away from any road like that and by the time I get to the mountains, I can start feeling my neck and shoulders start to get sore.
trailer it and make a full day of it
I agree with Rolland. I just bought a cheap used enclosed trailer to haul my bike those longer distances. So now I can be in the comfort of my cage for the 2+ hours it takes me to get to some really fun roads. My son and I make a day of it and have a blast.
I asked before. What happened to 'fast Eddie'.
Great video but way too much footage facing you. That's of less benefit to us as its useful to see the bends when youre describing braking etc.
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Braking will tighten your radius. If you don't use your brakes in the twisties either A. Corner isn't sharp, or B. You aren't going into the corners very fast. When I'm at a fast pace I trail brake to tighten the radius get my bike pointed In the right direction and get back on throttle as fast as I can.
What I have learned watching professional racing and especially in moto america is that the person who might pass you going fast into a turn will almost always get passed by you exiting the turn. I think the reason is because they might be going slower into the turn but the lower speed allows you to point bike towards exit and get back in full throttle faster. However if you trail brake you can enter that corner faster and then also get back in throttle leaving the corner fast aswell.
It's important to learn brake both front and rear while leaning. Not only to make you faster but it could save your life. There have been times Iv come into a new corner and halfway in realize it tightens up and I'm going to fast for turn. You might be able to add lean angle but you most likely will wash out and what if you are out of lean angle already. Simply applying the brake will tighten the radius and save you from crashing in the corner.
Buddy u got to remember a lot people don't have much Common sense is why they don't understand what you're getting at
We love your vids and learned a lot from them, but weve got to say that talking about safe riding for hundreds of minutes on your channel, then riding here one handed is frankly a bit of a put off and seems like showing off, and against your own advice. Just saying.
Who’s “we” ? Speak for yourself
@@zodspeed Anna, Val and Dudley Thats "we" . In English it is proper to refer to three individuals as such, in case you didnt know ;)
@@annaval119 seems like the basics of this channel is way beyond your skill level… maybe you should stick to hybrid cars and stay away from motorcycles
He’s an advanced rider teaching beginners, always advocating to ride within your own skill/ comfort level. He’s comfortable riding with one hand, he’s not telling to you ride one handed. It’s not that difficult to understand
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