Are Premium Motors a Scam?
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- Are premium FPV motors better compared to the budget motors? This question was running through my mind when I almost got through my stock of Emax ECO II motors. There is only one way to find so got my hands on the AxisFlying AF227 motors and pushed them through a few packs!
00:00 Considering premium motors
01:38 What brand to choose
03:14 First thoughts & experience
07:24 Conclusion
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5'' Drone (x2):
- ImpulseRC ApexDC
- Kiss Ultra V2 FCFC
- SpeedyBee V3 BL32 50A
- AxisFlying AF227 - 1960kv
- Gemfan Sbang 4934
- DJI O3 Air Unit @ 2.7k100fps
- TBS Nano RX + Immortal Antenna
- ViFly Finder Mini
On the Ground:
- DJI Goggles 2
- TBS Tango 2
Rates:
- Pitch/Roll: 1.65 - 0.7 - 0 (Kiss) || 299 - 1100 - 0.5 (Actual)
- YAW: 1.38 - 0.7 - 0 (Kiss) || 250 - 920 - 0.5 (Actual)
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What motors do you prefer and why?👇🏻
I like the T-motor Velox V3's. Only $15 and last me longer than most $20 motors that I was buying. Not the best motors but I crash and break motors anyway so I'm happy with them. Especially for the price.
@@Smagsfpv The Velox motors seem a populair choice. Coming at s great price especially when you break one occasionally!
@@_REMIE definitely. They are not the smoothes but I fly bando's and dive buildings and always fly threw concrete gaps.
For 5” over the last year I’ve been running the AxisFlying AE2306.5 1960kv. Love them but I’m currently trying the VCI Titan 2306 1850kv. We’ll see if they can take the spot from the AEs.
For 3.5, I’ve only flown EMax Eco II 2004 3000kv on 4S. Love those and have no desire to change from them. In fact I’m about to buy another stash as I prepare for another 3.5 build.
@@JuicySmullietFPV i hear great things about those VCI motors. I'm about to order some for my new 5-in
i think we collectively banned the word ''smoother'' after somebody used it 4,382 times with every new motor and prop. the truth is, the prop the weight the battery and the motor all combine to give the feel. the best of the best pilots cant tell the difference between motors when given a well balanced test. props along with the weight are probably the most ''feel'' sensitive parts. cheaper motors that dont skimp on materials or design features are the ones to go for. if you see a bling motor, just bear in mind, you cant actually see the motors when the props are on. xing 2 and pros are fine, durability isnt a myth, but it is very bullshitty. tough motors exist but no motor will survive the perfect crash, and they all fail around the same point. ps. dont over tighten props, think 12 year old girl strength to tighten them.
Makes sense! No doubt It's very likely my brain is trying to find reasons to justify the extra costs for upgrading to these motors.😅
And thanks for the tip on the prop tightness, will give it a try!
Love to see the Sbang progress bro! That horizon lock is coming along LOCKED! And glad you like the Axisflying motors. Good stuff. And yeah thanks for making me wanna fly when i totally cant😂😅. Keep em coming
Thanks Rich, slow but steady progress🧃Glad you enjoyed this one!!👊🏻
Great video again. Skills are going through the roof Remie. Very impressive. And you know what motors i like 😁
Thanks Erwin😁 The AF227's are great!👊🏻
Great video Bro. New Sub 👊🏻
Appreciate it, Triton! Thanks for joining the journey.🫡
Been flying some Eco2s for over a year and they have been great! I also noticed a strange noise coming from them after time too but it wasn’t until I crashed into concrete that they made the noise.
I’ve got some T-Motors I’ve meant to put on but why, when the Eco2s are still going? Did you get any funky twitches on your Ecos after time?
The issue I ran into was the fact my drone started vibrating and making grinding noises while cruising. This made me do the motor test via the FC GUI and the gyro picked up a lot of noise during tests.
After switching to the AxisFlying the sound was gone. But a fresh set of ECO's would probably have solved the issue as well.
@@_REMIE I’m gonna do a swap and see if it makes any difference. I feel like maybe I’ve gotten my moneys worth out of the Ecos and it’s time to switch. Thanks for the great idea!
Lekker bezig Remie🤙
Yo Timo, thanks! 🙏🏻
Good video topic :)
Thanks for tuning in! Any specific motor you prefer?
Nice video! I was also using ecos but I switched to t motor Velox v2 and V3 actually I love them and they are cheap and durable. Eco's bells are too soft and with a hard crash they bend easily.
The times I crashed on concrete with ECO's I immediately bent a bell. When it comes to flying in the park they are fine, but I guess I won't go back to them anymore.
Cool video dude! I can tell the differences in motors and the way they fly. I don't have a long history, but I really like the T-motors. I have the cheaper versions the v2 and v3 Velox, but I like the way they fly. I would definitely consider the premium motors like the T-Motor F60. Especially if you are flying in bando type areas. I am quoting experienced pilots who I have seen on YT, and I believe they know what they are talking about and their flying backs them up! I am sure the Axis motors are also very good! I see a lot of great pilots using them. There is a reason. Nice flying bro! I see big improvements. That Kiss FC I think does not hurt also. Premium Flight Controller!
Looking up/asking what more experienced use is the way to go! I've seen multiple people mentioning the Velox motors by now, they come with a good price I see.
I'm very happy with the Ultra FC, 10/10 would recommend. The price might be steep but the time saved on not having to tune and just fly is worth it. When having issues the Discord support is great. The Ultra Dev's and team are very helpful.
Get this man 10k subs 🗿
Haha, thanks for the hype!🚀
FPV Cycle motors FTW! You can by the stator and bell separately. And you almost never do have to buy one or the other cause they are bullet proof!
Being able to buy those separate is a great option!
axis flying recently came out with a new version of the af227 motor. the new version are unibell instead of split bell, and are like $6 cheaper than the version you are using in this video. I think they come out to be around $21 each, which is a crazy good price for what you're getting. the new af227 (racing) motor is currently my favorite motor. if you like the original version you will love the new version especially at a lower price point.
I remember seeing a review of the new version but couldn't find them at my favorite European stores. Since I know someone that swears by the old version I still bought the old version.
Will keep an eye out when I need some new ones.
Definitely worth a try
Have you tried hyperlite motors from Pyrodrone?
I'm from The Netherlands, Europe so I never really check out US shops. But I see the Hyperlite are also available over here. When it comes to price they fall between eco and premium motors. You like 'em?
T motor pacer 1950kv I have them on 2 builds and they are super nice. Have 3800 kv 1604 pacers on a 4s 3.5” and the metal seems soft, stripped a couple mounting threads. But they also fly amazing.
A lot of great comments on T-Motor! What is flying a 3.5" like, let's say compared to a 5"? We don't have a lot of proximity spots where I live, still worth it?
@@_REMIE personally I love 3.5”. That’s normally the one I’m grabbing. But I’m mostly flying in smaller areas, where 5” is really way overkill. 3.5” are more agile than 5”, they can change direction quicker. The biggest issue I have with 3.5 is if you’re not running 03 finding a decent light action cam. For that 5” is still king.
@@_REMIE also noise is why i choose 3.5 a lot of the time. Everytime I rip 5” I hear dogs freaking out every throttle punch lol
Great video on this topic. I'd totally pay more for premium motors if they came with better durability. I fly Xing 2's mainly due to the high kv, and I would be very tempted to switch if someone else came with a high kv 4s motor. I already burned 2 of them flying tree spots in 5 months due to an isuue with the bell breaking at the same point. I also like that combo, it seemed easy until I tried it once and ended up in a tree haha
Motors will break regardless, I guess. We will see how these will last!
Make sure to have enough space for the combo haha.
I used to fly Emax ECOS and now I fly the hypertrain (rotor riot) PDEVX motors, which are manufactured by T-Motor. I also have a set of the T-Motor F60 pros. both sets of motors are 2306. Either way both of these motors have been way more durable than the ECOS, and I have really only broken a few. I am not sure if I can tell a difference in how the ECOS fly VS the TMotor/Hypertrain. I also never get that bell chiming sound I used to get from the ECOS. Either way I'd say T-Motor probably makes some of the best motors in the game. I think ECOS are also fine if you are just gonna cruise around parks and stuff.
I heard/read T-Motor and AxisFlying are related to each other, just like Speedybee and Runcam. And Aikon produces most of the ESC's. I wonder why brands do this? Offcourse not every brand has its own factory, but I wonder how that works with all these 'sister' brands (not sure if I translated that right).
Interesting subject to ramble about on a podcast/livestream.
Now I think about it. The automotive industry also works like that. Audi, VW, Bentley, Lamborghini, ect. All the same group.
Just learned this lesson about the Foxeer Datura 2306.5 2020kv. First race, 3 bent shafts 😒
Ah man.. that sucks!
@@_REMIE definetley. Weren't even hard crashes. I love Foxeer, but the motors seem fragile
🔥 goede video 🗣🗣
Tof om te lezen, thanks! 🙏🏻
Maybe consider a XT 60 with BEC to back up for your tiney DJI battery
Haha for real, I was thinking about your setup when this happened..😅 might be a solid backup!
Heard good stuff about the Xing2 as well.
I hate when I forget to charge my radio or goggles
Personal favs t motor mck v3 on sale for 13 euro instead of 29 ish… i usually wait for black friday to come around to stock up..
Sent you the link on discord
2100kv!?🤯 Good idea waiting on a good deal. 13eu instead of 29eu..wow!
I saw that sale last week and jumped on it. Bought me a set of 18😂. Just finished a fresh new LoFlo build with them, hope to try them out todsy
@@EbrFPV 18 sets!?!??? 2100kv, perfect for the Wielerbaan spot tho😁
@@_REMIE One set of 18. NOT 18 sets lol
I prefer brotherhobby, but lately I've been using skystars 2275 motors, they seem to be same quality as t-motor, just a fraction of the price, also data sheet shows more thrust, closest i found to supernovas, just stay away from iflight motors though, unless you like smoke shows and loose stators...
I got some mixed reaction on the iFlight motors haha. Skystars seems a solid option with a good price, I've heard they make great ESC's too. Thanks for sharing!
@@_REMIE just a rant which is just my opinion, which is very biased after being burt many times trying iflight products, I've have several bad iflight aio's, cooked ESCs, failed becs on their FCs, vtxs that are unstable and multiple sets of bad motors, i really can't say they ever made a good product... but there are probably far more iflight guys out their then any other brand, but they are usually the noobs that go out and just cruise their prebuilt nazgul or evoque around a school every so often, they usually don't put the time and energy into learn to build their own stuff that is better functionally so they don't know what to compare to and they also seem to choose things by how they look, they go out and fly them a few times after spending a bunch if hours on a sim and are are suddenly experts. I follow alot of forums and groups and I've probably seen thousands of pictures of iflight burnt motors, I've personally built over 4 dozen kwads myself in the past 10 years, i build budget builds and sell not for profit but to get others into the hobby. I'm a shit pilot, but love to fly for mental decompression and to build to keep my mind sharp, i really like the tech side of the hobby. All 3 times i used xing motors they ended up having problems if you rip on them hard, for instance there the only motors I've ever seen that the stators come loose on the base. This is just a theory but I think they seem to make them better quality at first and their influencers get good ones in the beginning, but seems like after they make several batches and go into mass production their quality just falls apart, like they buy cheaper wire with bad enamel or something... As for power they are average at best and I'd put emax eco ii well above xing2 motors for 4 reliability, and those are economy, Multi-wire wound, and will usually rattle straight out the box, i used to be a fan of emax motors back in the red bottom and rsii days, but I'd still use them before xings today. Iflight also never replaced their obviously defective products for me, theyd offer me 20% off a replacement which is BS, why would i want to buy more garbage... so then you have to hope the distributor takes it back... I have a bad parts bin i toss all my bad stuff in hoping someday it may come in handy, there are more iflight products in there then anything else. In my experience t-motor, axis flying, rcinpower have some great motors but are too pricey for me to beat on, it's funny rcinpower used to be el cheapo and now they are probably the best... I have heard alot of good things about rotor riot motors too, but i don't like how they have treated several of their past pilots, their corporate shenanigans seem to be in bad taste, so i find it hard to support them. Brotherhobby motors never let me down, my favorite quad has uc 2207 on it, they just don't die, but they seem to be no longer innovating for past several years now, i don't know what's going in with them, so i moved on to skystars koko motors, they were nicely priced, but as popularity grows the price has risen, still the 2275 are great motors for $60, i have 4+ sets of them, although i did have one recently that was causing some weird behavior, luckily i had one i crushed the bell hitting a rock wall that i was able to reuse the stator, but something like that can be expected with any company, it just happens to often with iflight, sorry for the rant, I like to share my opinion hoping that it helps other people, if not maybe the feedback gets back to the companies and helps influence the future if the hobby in some small way....
I used to think it didnt matter until i started flying the tmotor Slatts... they are so tough. They are worth every penny.
They look solid. Now I got some comments I got the impression US pilots fly 2306 and EU pilots 2207. But prob not the most complete data.😅
@_REMIE I've been bashing the same set of slatts for a year now. Still going. You can see on my channel that they get abused 🤣
I like 2306 for proxy, they have that low end response. I have a set of 2207 tmotor black bird v2s, I use them in open fields and around trees for higher end speeds.
The only motors that surprised me were the rcinpower ones.
Any particular model? The Wasp Major are the best right?
@@_REMIE bison 1800kv
the one and only lol
All the way from the U.S. of A
vci titan
T-Motors and nothing else.. the extra $3 are well invested.
T-Motor is getting a lot of love!
Sparkhobby has decent motors...
Haven't heard of those before. They come at a nice price tho!
You like the sparkhobby? Got one set running well or many sets with consistent good quality?
"Are Premium Motors a Scam?"
"yes"
Haha, thanks sharing your thoughts! Any specific motor you prefer?
@@_REMIE Ethix V5 Stouts
I think I got you wrong.😅 You buy premium motors although your experience is they're a scam? At least over here the Ethix motors are even more expensive compared to the AxisFlying AF series.🤯
@@_REMIE I have them, they're no different from my $20 motors.
Xing2 , the only product I like from Iflight
And probably only i swore them off for good. Got like 12 broken ones. Axisflying / T-motor (f60 pro series only) for life🫡🔥