I 3D Printed a $1,224 Chair
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
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Let me clarify a few things that I didn't have a chance to cover in the video:
1. Slant3D did not charge me for any of their time (slicing up the chair, engineering, setting up prints, troubleshooting, packaging, etc.). Our agreement from the beginning was that I would only pay for cost of materials, since we were both getting a video out of the project.
2. I was insistent on the chair being red, so I have no bad feelings towards Gabe that the material cost was higher than expected. My goal here was to create a great UA-cam video, and I believed that a red chair would contribute to a great video. If a potential customer was more concerned with traditional business metrics, changing colours to spend 10x less on materials would be a no-brainer, but I don't have the same priorities as a manufacturing business. I'm happy to spend $500 to make a viral video.
3. Due to unforeseeable events, the printing of the chair ended up being a rush job on Slant's end. Since they were making no money on this project, they weren't really incentivized to burn the midnight oil on an experimental collaboration, and I don't blame them for it in the slightest. In fact, there may have been miscommunication from my end about who was responsible for slicing up the chair. In the end, that entire workload fell on Gabe and his team, amidst all of the other obligations they have running a 3D print farm (obligations that actually make them money, unlike this project).
4. I had NO intentions to paint Slant3D in a negative light in this video. I tried to tell the story as honestly as I could, within the constraints of creating an engaging, well-paced UA-cam video. As Gabe said in his response (which I will link below and you should watch for more details), "subtlety is lost on the internet". You'll draw your own conclusions, but I don't believe you should judge Slant3D's work from this video, because
A - This isn't a typical project for them (check out their channel for actual, practical mass production 3D printing)
and
B - This video is from my perspective, and I don't have the same priorities or insights as Slant3D regarding their business.
Thanks for watching and making this video pop off. Drama can be fun, but it can also hurt people.
Check out Gabe's response here: ua-cam.com/video/YTTKwqiDBvY/v-deo.htmlsi=ecqL7S4NwixY13oL
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Its kind of sad that people reacted in that way
@@naku2734 yeah, it also took him 11 days to clarify after 900k views...
@MorleyKert unfortunately for me. This was a first impression of another youtuber & company introduced by you.
There was no clarification during the video process as it was assumed that a erroneous kit was sent to you which you needed to pay for.
I am an engineer and wouldn't have the guts or integrity to send out an inferior product that represents me, especially when this many people have eyes on it!
Next time, if the pieces are solid inside, try pocket screws along with the glue. Just a simple drill guide to set the screws in sideways.
1. love the chair
2. hate what it will do to a wood floor after a while of spinning....
Reminds me of that secret door I installed in my rental house years back. It was just an IKEA bookcase on casters, hinged to the wall. I drew concentric circles from the pivot corner to figure out the angle of the wheels, so they rolled along their path, but full of books, it weighed a ton, and dug trenches in the landlady's hardwood floors, and the hinges pulled up the drywall a bit, too 😬I repaired the wall, and left a steamer on the floor, which actually popped up the trenches pretty well. She never noticed when I moved out, because I got it back to fairly unnoticeable. I did not open and close it often. It felt like the bookcase might come apart from all the stresses, too 😆
A potential fix would be to 3D print the bottommost piece with TPU.
@@gfixler discovering the affect of steam on wood is genuinely life changing, like i've lost track of how many times a damp cloth and a clothes iron have saved my sorry ass, especially back when i was a dumb teenager
Depends on the materials used.
(If, say, for example, you either multi-material printed TPU pads on the bottom or coated it with something rubbery either as pads or over the whole of the bottom, it's a differing discussion.)
You wouldn’t download a chair.
in this case i think i actually would
I wouldn't download a chair but I'd download a car.
He didn't, downloading it didn't work
@@justadude450 seems like that joke flew over your head, huh?
@@justadude450 🤓🤡
Two words: Dry Fit
Assembly without adhesive will provide a lot of insight as to what needs to happen to put it together well with adhesive.
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Right, then you only glue 2 pieces together at a time! I was LOSING MY MIND watching him huff epoxy and make a mess of everything, then putting GLUE AND FOAM in the gaps. Ugh!
THANK YOU. It’s a fun project, but my goodness was it assembled by an idiot.
Eden is such an important sounding board. Everyone needs someone like her. The ability to understand your frustration, validate it, then tell you to step back and reconsider is absolutely incredible.
Honestly a great advert for Magis. $1,224 looks like a steal.
Anything looks like a steal when the alternative is doing something in the worst conceivable way with a complete lack of forethought, planning, or expertise.
that is not a steal my fella. that chair is only a lounging chair, as obviously there is not practical use, and I'm 1000% sure a sped chair or beanbag chair or a hammock is 1000% better.
@@unironicaluser1867 look at mr party pooper over here, frown town is over yonder not here buddy
Sorry, but you are sooooo wrong. He spent about $600 PLUS on the whole time designing and building something that is... junk(?) that will probably break in 2-6 months instead of spending a little more on something perfectly solid that will probably last forever. $1200 for an original design and a working product doesn't seem that expensive.
@@Marcio2024-of2tb ... buddy he made a his 6th most popular video with over 1.2 views in 3 weeks he defienetely earnt his money back got paid for his time, earnt a great profit and got a usable chair like dude the titles is I 3D Printed a $1,224 ChairI not I 3D Printed a $1,224 Chair and you should too!
I'm trying hard not to scream at the screen "BROOOO JUST GLOOP IT!"
3D Gloop bonds your prints together almost instantly, and it's permanent. Like, hang off a 1" square permanent. I'm sending this video to them so they get in touch with you next time...
I'm super glad it worked out, would be cool to bondo and paint it!!
Cool! I’ll check it out. Does it have any flex? My main concern with something like CA glue was ending up with brittle connections that could snap.
@@MorleyKert 3DGloop is more like a plastic weld, it dissolves PLA to bond it together. Your prints and clamping could not have had any gaps since it's bonded with surface contact. But a properly aligned and sanded surface it is stronger than the PLA layers are fused. It's incredible stuff and I highly recommend you pick some up.
I think the main issue with 3d gloop is the cost of it and the ordering delays that frequently occur; I have had them both times I ordered some to build the Hylian Shield from Zelda
Dissolving weld type of glue wouldn't be really good for this type of assembly because as it dissolves the pla it's changing the dimensions and then if you're continually gluing in a circle eventually when you get to the last piece you'll have a large gap
@@MorleyKertGloop is the best PLA glue, it melts the plastic together chemically then evaporates making it stronger than layer lines.
On top of that it would have been more cost effective and easy! After about 30sec it will start to tac, 5min it will hold strong and 24hr cure time. A very little goes a LONG way, I bet they would hook you up with enough to try this again ❤.
Awesome project. Shout out to your wife... I can see she was a real angel helping you keep your shit together in that moment of despair. Go hug that woman and thank her for growing together with you.
Amen to that. She is a "keep her"
First rule of any project: dry fit first 🫣
Nothing better than a Good ol Dry Fit. Mmmmm
I was wondering if someone was going to say that. It was what I was cringing about the most during assembly: you have a huge mess of pieces and you start gluing them before having a plan for how to hold them together if the glue isn't tacky enough??? Oops, you have the ring together but can't get dowels into the center hole because the ring is already hardened?
This applies to a lot of things 😂
At EVERY step of the way along this video, down to cutting the dowels with a jigsaw then deciding to 3D print them instead of buying a pack of them from amazon for cents on the dollar...I was questioning the decisions made here.
And then no bondo, filler primer, and sanding to actually finish the piece.
Dude didn't even dry fit the thing first. Just got straight to glueing.
This is the first video I've seen from this dude and the bare minimum standard of making a project wasn't followed. This dude doesnt know what "measure twice cut once" means.
Could have saved money by just painting it red, would have looked better too.
@@toyfan1769 The dude couldn't be bothered to know what he was talking about. He appears to have done basically nothing for this video, which is largely a product of other people's work. He couldn't even be bothered to think through anything he was doing. Between this and how he's written the pinned comment, it's clear he holds contempt for his audience as well.
to be fair, i wouldn't of done better
When you're so into 3d printing that you forget to see you can make this design chair VERY easily in just a mold
VERY easily? Is there a video for that?
@@vnlilman It's so easy there is no need for a video
Agree, i was wondering why the frick he would even attempt to make it with a 3d print, literally just make a wooden mold of it and you can easily mass produce
@@mike7546 there are already 1,9 Mio reasons
Eden listening to you and validating your feelings: that's some top notch listening skills on her part. Kudos to her for that: not a lot of people are good listeners.
She is an expert active listener! ❤️
Hope she doesn't care about the environment, that amount of wasted plastic has got to breed resentment.
I also noticed that. A lot of people would also take their frustration out on the other person. She did an amazing job at validating him, and he did an excellent job at communicating even through that frustration.
You weren't a childlike, youwere exhausted, and frustrated with the build, it was taking a long, time, came in more pieces thank expected, overcharge, and the dowels situation. You have had every right to feel frustrated. shoutout to you for communicating it in a healthy way. Hope that people pleasing aspect won't blindsight you with the next project that some company will botch up
I was looking for a comment about this. I was like zamn, now thats amazing.
21:38 "It doesn't look terrible"
Cmon man. maybe this would slide if this was an audio book but I can see it.
put some wall paper or vinyl wrap and hide the assembly lines.
@@Kittsueraput it in a trash container and leave it on the curb
@@25566HWLP
I agree. To me it doesn’t just look “not good”, it looks rather atrocious. I’d get fired if I made anything remotely that bad at work lol.
@@joshgiesbrecht Yep, looks like crap.
Slant3D come off horrendously in this video. What's the opposite of advertising? Because they've managed it here.
*They* contacted *you* for a collab and still made you pay for everything.
They screwed up one of the pieces, admitted it was their fault, and didn't offer any form of compensation. Admittedly, it wouldn't have been as big of a deal if you had done a dry-fit first, but it's still their fault for sending the incorrect part in the first place.
Lastly, they ran out of red PLA, bought extra spools *at a higher cost* and forwarded the extra material cost onto you WITHOUT ASKING FIRST!?!?
If I ever need something 3D printed, I know where *not* to go.
I thought that he reached out cause he said they emailed him a while ago, I guess he could have been saving this idea for a while
@@centurionpan3400 Yeah, I mentioned it first because it was the least bad thing. It's quite likely that the chair was beyond the scope of the collab they wanted to do.
Still, "we should work together and you should pay for everything" rubs me the wrong way.
@@doug2434 yea that’s fair it does sound weird, I guess it would make more sense to split costs, but it would also be weird figuring out cost splitting since one side used a bunch of company material and the other provided the idea and blueprints. I definitely think they should have covered some cost for their mistake at the very least
They did all the design and slicing for free. I think paying for materials is fair
@@delxinogaming6046look, any idiot with 3 hours of Google can make a sketch of picture and extrude a cylinder and then do whatever in prusa slicer.
you forgot to calculate the cost of labor between picking up, building, and rebuilding
Seems that 1000$ isnt so bad after all.
Depends on whether you're comparing against doing it yourself with home-level equipment or not.
As mentioned, the material costs are relatively small. If it were made either with a large enough 3d printer or with traditional manufacturing, you'd have none of the weird assembly steps, and could likely even save on some material. Him having to go get it is just a problem of international shipping and of questionable relevance in the first place.
Also the real chair looks nice and well finished, whereas this looks like a backyard project someone didn't spend any time on.
@@DrinkyoghurtI mean yeah, it looks like kids glued it together.
To be fair the material cost could have been a lot smaller, besides 3D printing in this particular scenario seems like the least efficient way of creating such a chair. I'm guessing molding it on an industrial scale results in profit margins huge enough to say that at least half of the listed price is for the "design".
Saving $300 is a BIG difference considering you could buy 3-4more tube's of that glue and still not be at $1,000
I was literally in this video at the DWR location you visited. We would have given you any measurements or a tape measure if you'd have asked, we're all designers and makers 🥰 edit:all views my own, not speaking on behalf of any organization
Haha no way! Well thanks :)
Literally as apposed to figuratively?
@@majorhavoc9693yea that’s why they said it
@@majorhavoc9693 Yes.
@@fahkyew7776 *DO NOT **-MISGENDER-** ASSUME OP'S ANSWER!*
19:18 You're doing well giving them the middle finger for screwing you over. Had this been a real collab and had they given you the parts for free, no biggie, but you've paid for it, you're entitled to the part you've requested
lol i was also trying to find somone discussing this.
Ditto
didnt notice at first thanks for the comment hahahha
I don’t think that was intentional lol
@@nick.100 i hope it was
This kind of makes the designer chair look like a bargain. 🤣
100% His labor/time alone is worth over $1000
Of course the chair is a scam, it's just a basic shape, 30$ worth of plastic and probably made in huge molds with a production cost of 50$ or something. But hey, so is Balenciaga or all those social media thiefs that go around. Bimba y Lola sells 3$ worth of wallet for 60$
@@AlexandreG I doubt they are able to sell anywhere near enough of these to be able to produce them that cheap. Also Cheap production costs and high sell price doesn´t mean something is a scam.
@@AlexandreG R&D costs exist, plus this is a low volume piece of furniture so they're not taking advantage of the economies of scale
@@AlexandreG Um, did you not hear that they are made by using rotational moulding. And obviously that means it needs a mould, but do you know how much tooling cost for massive moulds like that. easy 5, even 6 figures. So at a minimum, they'll need to build and sell thousands just to make there money back at a 1000 bucks a pop.
makes me happy seeing you win Morley
Thanks Mark!
Hii
@@MorleyKertcan you give me a shoutout in your next video plz?
@@MorleyKerthello
@@MorleyKerthello! Big fan of your channel :)
That was frustrating to watch. Everything was rushed like crazy with predictably poor results.
There is a 3ds file importer for Blender.
There are plenty of other comments explaining all the bad decisions made during the assembly.
Wait so they charged you for a messed up print along with overcharging for the filament since they didn't have it and had to buy off the shelf?
There were several options when they didn't have enough filament: use a different colour, wait for them to get more red, or use off-the-shelf at greater expense. It should have been HIS choice, not theirs. To just surprise him with it on the invoice is fucked up, especially after they printed it wrong.
They didn’t charge for any labor or design and slicing. All they charged for was material they needed to buy, which is fair
@@delxinogaming6046 I thought Morley designed and sliced it
@@delxinogaming6046 all they did was print it and they messed THAT up, Marley did everything else lmao wtf are you talkin abt
@@delxinogaming6046ok Gabe
The moral is to always dry fit components before gluing. Also, it is a bit ridiculous that Slant3D didn't give you any cut for the colossal waste of time, material and mental anguish they caused.
The moral seems to be to mark emails from Slant3D as spam and find a real company.
they did give a significant discount as they only charged for material and shipping. they usualy would charge for all the design hours too but they were being nice. if they had more time to get the parts out they would have gladly sent him the proper parts. ua-cam.com/video/YTTKwqiDBvY/v-deo.html
@@ianwhaples3837Morley stated 21 hours ago in a pinned comment that their agreement from the BEGINNING was that he would not pay for the design work. To insinuate that Slant gave a discount after the errors as they were being nice seems wrong and not what was presented in the video. Them eating the design work cost was what makes this a collaboration and not just a customer.
Most of that mental anguish was caused by him gluing things before dry fitting though
@@WashingtonStateStyleDoorDash 100% why it was the first thing I listed!
So slant messed up the print but still charged full price?
I caught that too, they printed the wrong model then bumped the material cost 300% or 400%? Yeah I would have refused the order.
Yeah legit, they should have offered a refund and apologised. You always prioritise brand reputation over short term loss.
I own a print farm. This was already a discount price. I don't think they made any profit with this. I would have to charge way more just to break even. They even helped with the splitting of the files, which is a lot of work and where errors can happen. This is not some cheap Chinese item that they can just resend and give for free to please the consumer. Additionally, 15 machines have an opportunity cost of up to $2000 a day (average order value $45 * 3 prints per machine a day * 15 machines).
Lmao, he throws him the bird at 19:18
They also reached out to him to collab??? And then footed him the bill???
" It doesn't look terrible " LOL, I hate to see what you would call terrible.
recording audio in a blanket fort is genius I'll be using that trick
Morley, don't drown in a cup of water. You definitely rushed EVERYTHING about assembling this chair.
It doesn't help the Print Farm owner fucked the files up, AND they ran out of the PLA and had to buy more, and passed the cost onto Morley. he got fucked in EVERY WAY POSSIBLE on this video. its quite sad.
for starters, not doing a dry fit first is a pretty efficient way to convert laziness into trouble.
@@Scav-Goblin Agree and definitely huge part of the problem was the print farm. That is where Morley should have printed the bad pieces himself instead of just plowing through the assembly with bad parts. But again, I'm saying this without knowing what deadline he set himself to release the video.
@@Scav-Goblin No, Morley tried being cheap in everyway possible and screwed himself. You always pay twice when being cheap and cutting corners. He 3D printed dowels ffs, man makes no logical decisions.
The mistake happened at design time, if he had made it just one more slice (16 instead of 15) the assembly could have been _trivial._ That would let him make quarters independently, then halves independently, before final assembly of the halves. 1 more thought before ordering would have saved him so much headache even before the assembly portion
I'm not a carpenter, but
I feel like this could have been made by cutting, gluing, and clamping layered wood together - you're right, why make all this out of plastic?
they wanted to do it in 3d printing. although, i think they were hoping for a more giant 3d printer its in fewer parts kinda thing.
wood could have worked fine.
not sure what the mechanical differences would need to be in order to ensure it can hold up strong, but its prob not more than a axel, a wheel, some filler parts and a chair.
main issue is, could it be done for under 600 doll hairs?
Weight, cost of material, cost of equipment (or service), innovation, availability.
a "decent" 3D printer is more accessible than any woodworking tools, not even adding the skills required to do it yourself.
another point is the *horrible* sponsor that agreed to take the project.
@@Kittsuera An interesting point. This video touches on some interesting concepts about time/cost.
As in, what is his and his wife's time worth? "Cost" is usually most connected to materials and work-time. If an individual wants to make this themselves, they could do it over a few weeks, hand cutting and gluing a few pieces at a time, and have a "$1,200 Chair" at the end - the materials would be negligible, depending on what they use, and how they get it - but the time could be anywhere around 6-24 hours in total. What does it cost to ship a "$1,200 dollar chair"?
Apparently the chair is on sale for $900 (with shipping).
and it begs the question.
Is it really worth it to manufacture and ship a fancy giant plastic shape because it's fun to sit on?
The Magis Spun chair is 29 pounds
in the video he says "50 pounds of material"
So in addition to using more or less double the "material" he is also injecting it with epoxy.
theoretically, the magis spun chair could be recycled, as it's pure plastic. somehow I doubt this epoxy-dowel-nightmare will get recycled, at all. This is just bad engineering, all around. He has so many people involved, the outcome is baffling.
@@Foldeu Did you just say a 3d printer is more accessible than a fucking saw and glue?
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think it would be worth like $2000 if it was made out of wood lol
this was a hell of a crossover episode. And the fact that you couldn't easily find someone with a big 3D printer to suit your needs makes me want to build one. After seeing something like what Dr D-Flo made or how they already have consumer printers like the giga made me assume that it would not be a good use of time.
I have a big one! 😂
I came here to belatedly recommend Dr. D-Flo lol… my apologies to @morleykert for not seeing his posts looking for one; I would’ve sent him D-Flo’s way!
0:40 HEADPHONE USERS IN HEAVEN
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Eden is a testament as to why having a stable minded supportive partner drives our potential up exponentially. The way she calmed you in a stressful situation was awesome. Cool video:)
You forgot to add the cost of gasoline from your house to Blaine and back...
And the Fish and chips at White Rock
And the epoxy
and the tax
Don't think they are going to sue him, looking at the end result I don't think many people are gonna try and 3d print that thing. Unless they have a gigantic 3d printer that can print the whole chair in one piece that is.
One of my printers is 500x500x500mm. Not big enough for one piece but easily in two
I think it’s going to become a reality for most expensive designer chairs eventually. Only a matter of time. Surely there will be some system set up to better protect the designers. It’s sort of like how AI technically rips off artists. Though the only system to protect artists is to not post online 😂
Yeah, the chair is on sale right now as well. If you factor in labour cost as well (unless you view your own time as worthless), it's super not worth the pain in the ass of putting this thing together.
@@ku8721Sadly, the diameter of the chair is more than 900mm, which means you'll need to split it into 4 parts in terms of width and length, but also the height of the chair is more than 600mm, meaning you'll need to split the model into two parts height-wise. That is 8 total parts.
Honestly its a commerical for their chain
They should have redone the print for free since they messed up and then pay for the one print.
22:00 you welcome
shush
That company is making a fortune from rotational molding that. Way easier than 3D printing.
"Eden has convinced me to keep going and we'll see" - Eden the MVP. Great content Morley. I would have wore a helmet for the test of the chair tho 😆
Right? When he was negative she just said "okay".
Everyone needs an Eden.
just for reference, in Europe this chair costs around 600 dollars 😬
@@hurrai5519 many European retailers. When searching on Google I can see some on sale for as low as 450 euros
Aha, i should have googled magis spun first, yep cheapest price i could find was like 514 USD! but it had 14 weeks delivery time lol
yeah, I can have it in-house within a few weeks for 489 euro
@@WoLpHlink?
@@petermarin It's youtube so I'm allowed to place links... but searching for "Magis Spun" in Google Shopping reveals a list of shops that sell them for me.
I just paused at 12:30 when you are talking about the missaligned piece and I'm talking to the screen like an old man saying: "Why did you went straight to glue it? Why not a dry fit test first?"
Also, a whole leading segment on needing a bit printer and ended up doing it on small chunks...
That is the difference between woodworker and everyone else: we dry fit everything because we know what happen if we dont!
@@AlainPilon At first I thougth he did now show the dry fit on editing, which is not ideal but I can understand to make things simpler. But The fact he went straight to glue with epoxy without testing and a plan of how to hold the pieces together blew my mind. Not to mention the completely lack of any kind of alignment aid that could have been easily added in a 3D model.
It really showed that, for 500 quid + labor, it would be better to pay a grand for it
@@AlainPilon I've barely done any woodworking in my life, and I'd have test-fitted everything first.
Even the smallest of dimensional inaccuracies can quickly stack up and ruin the entire build. That doesn't really take woodworking experience to figure out. :)
Measure once, cut twice!
@@MartinFinnerup Sure, you are the exception not the rule. Woodworkers dont have the luxury of "undo", so we dry fit out of necessity. Every time I do an assembly which can't be undone and I have to have everything fit on the first try, I am sweating bullets!
i love that your mom is one of your biggest patreon supporters thats so cute
i feel like i remember having spinny chairs like this at my playground when I was a kid
My kindergarten used to have these. Those were massive red cones, and you could rool inside. Everyone loved it!
When i was in kindergarten, I used to use it as a roof by hiding underneath it. It was cool until one of the kid decided to sit on it (he knew i was under the cone) and he trapped me under the cone 💀💀💀
@@0103depressingaftermath sealed away forever
@@ΝΜΟthey are messaging from under the cone
@@0103depressingaftermath An Ancient Evil Sealed Away
@@areatrix the cone incident
Ooh, you could sand it and then fibre-glass it to get a really nice and strong finish
I'm so glad you left in the scene of your and Eden talking while the camera was still rolling and the project was on the brink. Those moments happen all the time in projects, relationships, and etc. Good to see those sorts of interactions represented and not pasted over in editing.
i hope the middle finger nose scratch at 19:15 was intentional because holy butts “we just made your life a little miserable” is not even close to an apology from Slant3D
nah man.
you did all that just because you couldn't open .3ds file ?
it is Autodesk 3DS Max file.
you could have just used it, or if you didn't have the software, could have found someone who does.
it was matter of a few minutes.
Autodesk might even have trial available, could have used that as well.
like wtf ?
I’ve never seen a colab fumble so bad even with the creator trying to make the company look good. 😂 you can’t blame Kert at all
Yes you can, his construction approach was doomed from the start. Trying to just shove everything together with epoxy all at once? With that many pieces? No dry-fit test? 99.9999% his fault.
@@case451 If the pieces were printed right the chair wouldn't have fallen apart so easily. Fanboys, man.
11:47 - I'm watching this video for the first time. I don't know what's coming next, but this point in the video reinforces a thought I had moments ago (around 10:30) that I hope he tries to do a dry fit before putting any pieces together permanently.
Of course he doesn't.
You could find people with giant 3d printers, but couldn't find someone with a copy of 3dsmax?
i'm halfay through the video, when you're assembling the chair and i'm like "man, just buy that thing"
I'd never heard of that chair before this. Good on you for spreading the word for those guys.
9:49 “moral of the story tell the truth at the border” me if I ever drive to America: I am bringing 300 kinder eggs into America and you can’t stop me
I can Tell just how much you love that chair because you were so excited to make it you rushed to start gluing out of excitement. The embarrassment of a failed 1st attempt at a project is very real and very rarely do we see that process.
00:07 Luigi scream
More like a door screeching
lol true😂😂
More like toad
Mad respect for the honesty and transparency. Setbacks suck for real.
I never thought someone would pirate a chair.
cool project but my 2 cents are... i would have connected each piece with 2 dowel rods. that would have eliminated 2 degrees of freedom, that way the pieces could not rotate around the single dowel. then you would only have to worry about holding the 2 pieces together at the glue joint. we did this in woodworking when gluing flat boards together by using a sprinkle of table salt on the glue. when the boards were pressed together they are prevented from sliding around and you only have to worry about clamping them together.
Yes.
yes, adding the pi bond
Ivan Miranda has biiiiigg 3d printers 😂😮 if youre willing to drive to Spain (redacted) 😝
Ivan is from Spain .
@@thechannelofeverythingelse2099 sorry my bad. I holy convinced myself somehow it was Italy 🤣
Dr D Flo also has a big 3d printer as well
I was looking for this comment
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if youre unhappy about the finished look, i say some fury fabric to cover it would look brilliant, and add to the wacky fun-ness aspect of it.
19:19
Just the technician venting their frustration at the engineer for all the headaches they caused
Couldn't describe the Blaine border crossing better. Always nerve-racking for absolutely no reason
Dude what? Why did they still charge you when they messed up, and bought filament off the shelf without contacting you first?
If this ever happened to me this would be a complete charge back like that's actually insane. He was not delivered the product that was promised, and didn't even get a reprint or anything. Complete and total scam
Why? They redesigned the entire model file, improved upon the design, iterated upon the design, made it suitable for 3D printing, dedicated like 15 of their production machines that could've been turning a profit to the project, printed all of the parts (fucked up on one of the parts of the machine which they shouldn't have charged for, we don't know if they did or not) and the end result was within the budget they had discussed prior to starting. What's the problem? Slant didn't even charge for any labor hours, design work etc lol.
@@kylequinn1963my comment isn't complaining about the end price, I'm complaining about the fact that they messed up a file, they should have corrected it, even at a loss on their end. Especially if they are the ones that redesigned the file. And if using different material than advertised (especially if it affects cost) they should notify the customer before not after.
If I was a customer and this happened, I would not be back.
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The video was on a timeline.
There wasn't enough time to correct it from their end AND ship.
He gave Morley the files too, so he could've tried to reprint that part if he wanted 🤷♂
@@zenginellc They still could've communicated better tho so that the end result would've at least looked a bit better without the additional cost.
The assemblers know all to well when the cad people didn’t think about putting something together
A great object lesson in what you're paying for with furniture - it's not just a chunk of material, it's a design and troubleshooting quality control
Exactly. And Slant3D seems like they did neither, given they let sub-par quality parts be delivered and did so due to bad versioning, and used Morely's sent over designs.
Honestly I could see the chair's original company selling a chair kit out of "premium" 3d printed material, probably some variation of PLA because that's technically compostable and corn based so meets a lot of "eco friendly" requirements.
Because of this video I have decided that I will never buy a Magis Spun chair. Not only that but I will tell also tell all my friends and family that they should never, under any circumstance, buy a Magis Spun chair
Ivan Miranda made a HUGE 3d printer a while ago, it probably could print the chair, it's taller than it's wide though.
Don’t know the exact size of his machine, but it is big for sure. However, he is located in Europe, which means shipping the printed part is not a feasible option.
@@ticso24 but their channels are in English, they gotta live next door from one another
@@joaomrtins 🤔 That’s true
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Total boat epoxy is basically waterproof construction adhesive. While there are some formulation differences you could have just used construction epoxy for about $7 a bottle. Also yeah build a round object in segments then assemble so much easier that way.
Great video man! I loved the moment where everything goes wrong but you still kept going. Shoutout Eden as well for being such a good supporter!
Sorry, no, a novelty toy chair is not worth a grand. The design of the chair would be under a patent, but I can find no such patent. Copyright just doesn't apply. Trademarks could be involved, but that's about branding, not the chair design.
I used to play on these chairs at the local playground. They were painted to look like mushrooms. Obviously not "Magis Spun" because I assume that company didn't exist at the time, but it's not exactly a new invention.
The link to that chair it's on sale now for $696.50 which is your total cost with Slant3D, it's really a case of is this really worth making myself or is this just a crazy markup.
Is itvreallybthat much of a markup, supplys alone were 600 plus, they still didntvmake it correctly, and all the laber and frustration thsy went into it
Assuming the original is HDPE (I can't imagine it's LDPE), you can get HDPE pellets for $500 a metric TON. The Spun chair is 29lbs, so you're looking at about $7 worth of material. Last time I had something of a similar size molded, I spent about $2,500 for the mold, but I was doing a low-production run, so it was a lightweight mold. Magis likely had more durable molds made, but even then, yeah...the markup is crazy once you get past making the first 100 chairs or so.
Theres also a coupon for another 20% off on top of that.
A couple things, Morley:
1) I really appreciated how transparent you were about your state of mind when assembling the chair. It reminded me of home projects of mine that have gone awry, and I could totally relate to the feelings of frustration and embarrassment (even the particular embarrassment of struggling in front of a partner). It was nice to realize watching your video that I’m not alone in those experiences! But also, I would have totally given up in frustration if I were you in that moment. Cheers to your perseverance!
2) I loved the editing in this video - particularly right after that raw moment, and when you were testing out the chair at the end.
Thanks for a great vid!
Radial dovetails would've solved this whole thing. Just create a circuluar pattern with trapezoids between each piece, create a .5mm offset. Cutting down around the core and revolving around the center for the outer pieces.
Slide everything together when done. It will basically hold itself while curing.
I was thinking that this design looks wildly unoptimized
Dude it’s awesome this video has almost a million views. I know your woodworking videos get most of the buzz but it’s cool to see your 3d printing videos are starting to blow up now. Thanks for the great videos Morley I always look forward to them 😃
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So now you have a chair that fills an entire room without allowing anything to be placed anywhere near it. Cool. You might as well have just built a merry-go-round in your room.
For this half assed falling appart thing, nah no one is going to copywrite you.
To his credit, even though it's not the finest craft or whatever, he definitely full assed it. The quality of the chair isn't due to a lack of effort, lol.
@@MaxJ.ProfessionalLilGuya dry fit and maybe a few seconds of thought it might have worked out better
@@zachattackp1566 Oh for sure, yeah, the "ass", so to speak, was absolutely put into the wrong parts of the process. Notably, the "thinking" part was a little lacking, but he did put in a lot of effort on the "doing" phase
I'm surprised they could even copyright this, I can think of almost a dozen park playgrounds that had chairs that spin around just like this that I visited in my youth over 20 years ago. Definatly not a $1000+ chair, or even a $1000 idea in my personal opinion.
But Slant sent you stuff with design errors. You still paid them?
Slant did great work, and made a relatively small error. Of course I paid them.
@@MorleyKert hmm. Well I'm glad it worked out in the end. Maybe if you'd found the errors before assembly they would have reprinted the parts with problems without charging extra? I'd just hope they'd stand behind their work that way, customer service and all.
Thanks for the great content and sharing your exploration and creation.
@@MorleyKert Even after they blindsided you with an increased material cost that you weren't even consulted on?
@@Psepha Kinda bammer, but you can't blame a creator for sticking up for another one, even if he was burned at the end of the day.
@@MorleyKert "slant did great work" LOL sure.
"It's a bit more expensive than I was expecting" when Slate said at the beginning that it would probably be under 500$, and it was. It was 464 for the material. Idk what you were expecting.
My local mall has like four of these in the center for people to play with. Knowing how much they cost, I now realize how completely insane my local mall is.
9:42
An average reaction inside an introvert's mind after concluding a simple human interaction.
Real
Morley casually showing a middle finger to gabe for his fuck up 😂 19:19
So the company behind the chair think they "invented" this chair? We had basically the exact same chairs in my kindergarten 30-35 years ago! :/ Granted it was in kid scale but still. Others must have seen these chairs before? :o
Well, I know a guy in Sweden who prints and sells big printers, I pitched "your" chair, ehem video to him and he quoted me 6000 usd if the chair is 20kg. Lol 😂 no charity connections here
whatever happebned to the original idea of one person buying a printer and being able to make more printers with the printers?
@@NightmareRex6 The origional idea was to patent the shit out if it to make money. But they mostly failed. Adrian Bowyer picked up the tech when some patents fell off and started the RepRap movement. Its still very much alive most modern hardwhare and softwhare comes out from it.
It wouldn't take long to find the chick that made her own printer that could handle this. She's HUGE.
Imagine the next day the chair had a 30% off sale
That's a great idea, maybe Dr D. Flo could 3d print this in one piece on his xxl diy 3d printer
I'm no lawyer, but my understanding of this as a copyright infringement is that there's no issue. Copyright only protects design elements. This often means that copyright disputes can get real fuzzy. However, copyright *is* automatically assigned, so while they could sue you for copyright infringement, they would have to prove that you copied their design elements. However, the functional elements, like the tipping motion, are protected by patent and those must be filed for or there are no protections. So if they haven't patented their tipping chair, you can copy that all you want.
However, however, there's also the fact that reverse engineering is considered fair game. Since you didn't buy one of their chairs and just created it from information publicly available online, and "best guess"ed the rest of it, chances are you're totally in the clear. IMHO. Again, not a lawyer.
There is extremely likely a design patent on the form of the chair. I tried to do a cursory search if I can find a patent number, but couldn't find any obvious matches. There were a number of design patents for various chairs and tables held by the company, but I couldn't find this specific one.
could of just asked the people if it was ok to make one for himself
This entire video SCREAMED of adhd hyperfocus and dismay at it falling apart to me. So relatable hahahh. Glad it worked out ok for you tho!
If _"the raw beads of PLA cost about $1.50 to $2 a pound"_ and this company is melting the PLA themself (20:37), wouldn't it be MUCH faster, cheaper and easier to just create a handmade "negative" shape of this chair and fill the liquified PLA into it to create a chair from one single piece?
Seriously, with this method the cost of the chair would be just $80 to $100 bucks. Maybe a few additional bucks for the labor work to create the negative shape (which has to be done only once), melting and pouring the liquid PLA into the shape.
Sad, he did not see it
@@howtocookazombie I'm genuinely confused what materials and methods you think are available to make a full scale negative for a huge piece like this, or any kind of machine that could rotate it, that would be considered "cheap" ? This company doesn't have any infrastructure for that, so it would all be upfront cost. To be clear, 3d printed parts are NOT solid PLA. They have tons of hollow space to save on material and keep them relatively light weight. The cost of just the PLA it would take to create a solid plastic version of this chair would probably be 10x the price, and on top of that you can expect shipping costs to scale with it because it would be insanely heavy. Not even the actual company that makes the real chairs does that lol.
I have been in one of those chairs a month ago and they are super. My wife told me to quit playing. I kept playing till I got in trouble. My mother also gave me a dirty look as well. They are super fun.
If anything, this is basically an anti-advertisement for Slant3D.... basically they were like "ah hah hah, we kinda sent you some completely wrong-sized pieces that basically ruined the overall look/structural integrity of your project" still charged full price, and didn't apologize or comp for their own screw-ups... I definitely wouldn't trust them with my project. With them knowing that you already committed all the pieces together with epoxy, they should've eaten the cost and properly re-printed and sent you the correct sized set.
I know this video is about the chair, but the greatest part of it all was your nearly unwavering positivity and Eden's unwavering support for you. That whole glue situation looked stressful ever. the both of you sticking it out together, even if it didn't work out, just seeing you to so supportive had me moved to tears. The world needs more people like you two. Congrats to you to and everyone involved on successfully making it. and awesome yet hilarious collab with all the 3dprinting youtubers. Wishing you both nothing but the best in your future endeavors. new subscriber from Hawaii.
The biggest mistake Slant3d made was taking on the project in the first place. There is absolutely no way to 3D-print that many parts and have them fit well - even with expert fitting. You could laser-cut the parts and they still wouldn't fit.
It should have been expected - and designed - to need a full cover of putty and to need sanding and painting.
Best ad for a Magis Spun chair ever!
I was really expecting you to end up collaborating with the guy that makes like gocart bodys and stuff on his custom built large 3d printer.
Good god, how much variance was there in the printing process? Are any similar pieces even similarly sized? Did you measure the parts?
This is just an ad for the real chair that doesn't look like a heap of shit
Video starts at 22:30
Its weird how I assumed everyone older than me took woodworking or whatever in school. But if you did you would have known first week to clamp everything, it it takes FOREVER to make shit because of how long glue takes to dry.
Joel... FOR THREE TIMES?!?!? MY NAME'S JOEL, MY DAD'S FRIEND IS JOEL, AND HIS NAME'S JOEL. !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!?!?!?!?!