NASL Shootout: Cosmos/Diplomats 1980
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2010
- The quirky, sometimes-reviled NASL method of deciding games tied after regulation and overtime, where five players from each team would take turns going one-on-one with the other team's goalie. ABC made a particular mess of its coverage of this one from 1980 at RFK Stadium in Washington, DC between the Cosmos and Washington Diplomats. Note the clock.
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Every NASL game I went to I prayed for a tie so I could see a SO. Its even better in person. 78-80 peak NASL. Best childhood ever.
The Shootout was exciting. It upsets traditionalists, obviously, but at 40% success rate, it had more drama than penalties.
This is one NASL gimmick that deserves another look. It's far superior to penalty kicks
Those legendary players all also endorsed this style of shootout over PKs and tried to get FIFA to adopt it.
1000% better than penalty kicks...even Johan Cruyff suggested to FIFA that they adopt this.
Even hockey has a shootout.
Nah. Zero drama
They did it totally different in those days
Far better than penalties. Can’t understand why this wasn’t globally adopted.
It is simple, with shootuouts football would not be football, that's it.
The rule was that players "must take their shot within five seconds." The ball did not have to be over the goal line within the five seconds.
Gotcha.
Crazy that there were so many people in the stands for a NASL match in 1980!
Jake Shapiro A good portion of them were bused in from Mexico.
@@ranelgallardo5343 mostly white and few latinos like me..I was at all the games
1980 was a solid NASL year: I attended a Saturday night Seattle Sounders games with about 40,000 (it seemed) in that era.
They avg. 24,246 per home match that year, and had both playoff matches well past 30K.
I went to Dips matches as a child, they had great giveaways. I had a dips ball that we used for years until it finally dies or was lost.
Yes it is, I was there. It was a nationally televised game on a weekend afternoon, and it was the Cosmos. .. and I think Cruyff was on the team that year.?
I was there. That was a youth soccer free admission game which led to the big crowd as the kids got in free.
This is so much better than the penalties because more skill is needed
yes clearly , i am french and i find that, it's 100x best really they should adopted today in foot européen soccer really for me
I agree 100%
Indeed 👍
Yea but, man no offense to anyone but these player were really bad. A simple chip would get it done. I don't get it. Or shoot sooner before the goalie closes the window. Wow. These guys look super amatuer.
I was at this game when I was 9 years old! I sat behind the shootout goal and watched the Cosmos beat the Dips. Soccer was huge in the United States at this time.
I think it is pretty huge now also.
Crucifer official UA-cam It's huger now than it was back then. Back then the World Cup was never aired on American TV. Also the MLS is huge with decent attendance.
I just love that way of doing. We should think about it over here. Revise it, and then green-light it.
I remember loving the shootouts when I was a kid. I'll admit, I still like it better than penalty kicks, which is basically just a guessing game, where this uses more of their skills. It would be fun to watch with today's players.
Why does the kicker just chip it over the goalie's head? Am I missing something?
@@nofurtherwest3474 Some players did try that. The shooter only had five seconds so he had to move quickly. The commentators even mention doing this around the 40 second mark.
So much better than watching penalty kicks today.
chipping the ball must have been illegal back then...
No, it actually wasn't. Neill Roberts used to do it.
thecelebratedmisterk I suppose you didn't get the joke...
@@siaahmadi413 Way to get in on a conversation that was over half a decade ago, genius.
@@thecelebratedmisterk i am surprised you replied to a comment from 5 years ago
The keeper could easily grab the ball
Before bashing these players, take a look at the names. Beckenbauer was on that Cosmos team. So were Carlos Alberto and Chinaglia.
The best team money could buy!
+Ausborne 35, 36 and 33 half way through retirement.
No one mentioning Romero? He played for Barca later in his career... Cosmos surely had a hell of a squad
Carlos Alberto, Cruyff, and Beckenbauer have all said they really like it and hoped it was adopted in other leagues..
@PIANOTUBING You were allowed to do whatever you wanted, but you only had five seconds. If the keeper didn't come out, it was hard to go around him. Even if he did, it was hard to get around him and shoot in five seconds.
Pepe, Materrazi, Stam. They would be world best keeper. Rush out and wham, broken legs all over
R.I.P. Giorgio, you were the greatest goal scorer!!!
Yeah, I was surprised not to see Chinaglia take one of the shootout attempts.
Yes, this was in place of penalties, to decide regular-season and playoff games, from the mid-1970s through 1984 in the NASL and in MLS from 1996-1999. We don't do it anymore.
@seka1986
You got that right!
Also in 1982 Colombia withdrew from hosting the '86 World Cup. The U.S. made a strong bid to host it, but they ended up giving it to Mexico even though they had just hosted the World Cup in 1970. Think what that would have meant to soccer in the U.S. at that time...and to the survival of the NASL!!!
i can't believe these strikers were professional football players.
seems easy watching it from the couch, but it was so difficult that the most of the kickers lost the duel...
PaBlOk these guys are just bad
One of them was the 1970 Brazil's third world cup title captain. One of the best players ever.
The 5 Carlos Alberto was the Brazil captain when they won the world cup I'm 1970. You dont know shit
Sonny Askew was my youth coach in Bethesda Maryland....Bethesda Soccer Club......even in our practices in 2000-2001 he was still a baller when he scrimmaged with us!
Not just the shootouts....but many players really liked the 35 yard offsides line as well and wanted FIFA to adopt it.
so if you were before that then on way to be offisde?
There were several strategies for shootouts among NASL players. Neill Roberts, for one, used to be a chipper. Everyone had their own way of doing things, though chipping was probably the least-used strategy, if memory serves.
Seems chipping would be the easiest, surest way to score, no?
@@nofurtherwest3474Maybe! But very few players did it, IIRC. The keeper could stay back, but the time constraints almost made it an imperative that both sides go forward quickly.
@@thecelebratedmisterk I would take 2 touches and shoot (or chip)
@@nofurtherwest3474 That was a fairly popular strategy as well.
Beckenbauer was 31 when he "came here to retire," and ended up playing in the Bundesliga later. So, no. Cruyff was 32 when he "came here to retire," and went on to play four more years for a couple of little clubs named Ajax and Feyenoord, so, no. Only Carlos Alberto, who was 33 when he came to America, didn't continue his career after coming Stateside. So, no.
lol Feyenoord and Ajax ain't little clubs, they're like the FC Barcelona and Real Madrid from the Netherlands that won Champions League titles before any other club 😅
I remember the great Pele well!! I saw this games....Awesome
Yes, Carlos Alberto, Johann Cruyff and Franz Beckenbauer were jus like Beckham, just celebrities. Oy. Just enough already. They didn't "come here to retire," like you said, and they were far from past it. Jesus, enough already.
I love the old shootout. Neil Roberts was the best at it.
ABC Sports Jim Mckay I miss it, the heck with ESPN and their scrolling madness every second of every minute
It's more exciting than penalties I'll give you that.
You do know that these teams had som of the best players to ever play the game. Pele, Beckenbauer, Cruyff, and etc. amatuer level my ass.
Even the scoreboard timer is terrible - h for 4 and E for a 3.......
"the clock will be upside down, but you get the general idea!" - 5:21
I wanna see Messi and Ronaldo try to do these shootouts! Takes more skill than just kicking a PK that's for sure!
+Xayde Gonzalez you are american for shore
Cristopher Klose nah im just being real and not the typical blowhard fan
+Xayde Gonzalez hahah I knew it
Cristopher Klose don't hate
I love america
I wish they bring that back.
They need to have the shootout at the world cup! Much better than stupid penalties. However, the goalie should not be allowed to handle the ball outside the 6 yard box during a penalty shootout.
Point being: we don't do it anymore. So what's the point of complaining about it now? If you don't know the context, and you don't know the history and you don't know the rationale, I can't help you.
none of them can chip?
Many of the ideas suggested by the US promoters to "liven up" the game for spectators are just too bizarre or too extreme (check out www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/mar/02/league-1-america-soccer-revolution-never-was) but I have always thought this style of shootout is a much better solution to tied Cup games than the traditional penalty shoot-out. The latter leaves too much to chance but the former is a genuine contest of footballing skills.
They did this in MLS during the first season...
First four seasons.
No Canadian teams in the NASL? Edmonton, Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal and Calgary had teams.
I cant believe how famous soccer was back than in the US
I was a HUGE NASL & Tulsa Roughnecks fan. I thought that Vladislav Bogicevic of the New York Cosmos was the best all time at the shootout.
This method isn't used anymore, so it would be good if FIFA or UEFA experimented with this shoot-out in one of their competition its a better test as it needed skill.
@rockingrugger A lot of Americans didn't play in the NASL. Most of the players were from England
@coolstir10 not necessarily though, go check out the 1988 liverpool vs man u game. highlights are on youtube. pretty good skill i thought...
you know they also came to retire here right , they dint come in their prime like we all would love to think . so if they had fun well im glad
I actually like this.
The biggest difference between PKs and SOs perhaps is that SOs need one third of the pitch in preferable (playable) condition while PKs need only 18 yards at most. SOs couldn't be played efficiently perhaps on muddy pitches while PKs are still able to be used on such surfaces. No problem for SOs in top flight football as the stadiums for the matches should have near perfect pitches. But football is always a universal sport, able to be played with its regulations anywhere on earth, in the best grounds in Italy, on a dusty, hard field in sub-Saharan Africa or the a muddy one at the edge of a Borneo jungle. PKs could be used to determine winners in any surface but not too sure about SOs.
As an Englishman, on looking at the good crowd attendance ... the question is this ... why did it all go wrong in 1984 when the N.AS.L. ended ?
Way too many factors to describe in a UA-cam comment. There are a few books on the issue. But looking at this one crowd (the star-studded Cosmos were always a good draw) tells you nothing.
Basically, no infrastructure, few committed owners, a nascent fan ecosystem and little development of the few Americans who could play. Basically take everything in American soccer since 2002 and flip it.
@@thecelebratedmisterk I would agree with what you said about the lack of established Football Teams/clubs plus the inopportunity of "American" young players to enter an established club. Its only from the mid 1990s that you have started to get your act together "and I fully support you in your process" All The Best in bringing The Football World Cup back to central and north America.
Football daily anyone
The keepers are always miles off their line when they're still ten metres away from the attacker: just chip them! It's really not hard!
@jnphlppdsr We did it over here, from 1996-1999.
Neuer would've been a god if they used these penalties in Europe
five seconds to take the shot? would it count if the clock ran out and the ball went in the net but the shot was taken before it hit 0?
You know this was 1980, right?
Así deberían ser los mundiales ahorita, de verdad... ¿se imaginan un shootout entre bayern y real madrid?
goalkeeper is hero
@Gorddog2 No doubt from division 3 or 4, haha.
RFK was the shit back then
i dont think five seconds is long enough
Were they not allowed to go round the keeper or something?
Did Cruyff and Chinaglia not play?
If I remember correctly, this type of definition is returned to use in a friendly in Europe. Is that correct?
Nope. Never been done in europe.
hod01 thanks.. I don't know wtf I saw. I can´t remember
pretty funny, still thinking that the normal PK is the better tiebreaker
This is an interesting way of deciding who wins a game. Would it ever be authorised by FIFA?
It was authorized by FIFA for use in MLS in the first few years, though MLS eventually dropped it.
Man i can die now...
what the fuck did i just watch
what kinda weird way the shoot penalty
Did they actually practice those shoot out? Terrible efforts by both teams.
damn.
Adopt this instead of penalty shoot out and the injustice of not having the best side win would be minimised.
There's a lot of injustice going around in all sports, then. It is not, nor has it ever been, the best team that always wins, no matter what the format.
its like the beginning of fifa
You're speaking to the choir bruh.
poor guys they are like wtf are we doing
Wat happened to this league the stadium looks full, there wasn't enough support for this league?
NY Cosmos would fill the stadiums, both home and away. Unfortunately the other teams did not do as well.
Still the best league in the US is in New York, the Cosmopolitan Soccer league. One team in the league, the New York Pancyprian-Freedoms, is still the most successful club from New York in international play, reaching the CONCACAF Champions' Cup semifinal in 1984. The team may have progressed further, even, but they failed to agree on match dates with their opponents Guadalajara and were disqualified.
vdven I wish they'd have built up state- and regional leagues before going full throttle national league.
ashevillecat Jesus, Dennis, give it a rest. The league was conceived FIFTY YEARS AGO. No one thought in those terms. And you and I will be very old and gray before the Quixotes who are tilting at that particular windmill see anything like their wet dream of state and regional leagues leading to a national league.
What I see today is a travesty called the MLS. And some people were thinking that way 50 years ago, but the architects of the NASL didn't care, they only saw dollar signs. Real passion comes from the grass roots which as as far separated from the MLS as is humanly possible. MLS is, like all American sports leagues, designed for wealthy owners and posh fans. How many MLS stadiums are located in poor areas, with reasonable ticket prices?
no i agree, but they were not at their prime . they were celebrities just like Beckham now , and thierry Henry. they still show excellence none the less , I'm a big Fan Of The MLS but this bit right here not so much .
so what if a foul was committed?
***** Penalty!
Then it becomes a regular penalty kick.
this is more fun and takes more skills than those stupid penalty kicks
Stadium/city?
In the description? RFK Stadium in Washington, DC?
@@thecelebratedmisterk 👍
Yes, because there were no Canadian teams in the old NASL.
and then the chip shot was created
5 seconds isn’t long enough to get the shot off, should be 7 or even 8 seconds.
And yet, for 10 years, most players had no problem getting a shot off in the Shootout.
1880
By the way, Messi would crush any goalie who came out like the ones in the video.
@seka1986 Hilariously, in Canada using a shoot out to finish hockey games is hated as being too European.
In my opinion, this is better than classic penalties
weird as hell.... oh god...
I think they had to shoot inside the... how do you say?.. "el área"... inside the area where the goalkeeper can grab the ball.
I mean, is there another reason to suck so much doing this??...
What the hell was that? I didn't know of this version of a penalty shootout. I don't find it that exiting versus the current version because of the low scoring.
+Yono Soyel boring its watch 2 hours of commercials
only in America
Oh yeah, penalties are much more exciting. You do realize that in the NASL there were no ties allowed in the regular season. I guess spending money on tickets or wasting time to watch a game end in a draw tickles you fancy.
back when athletes looked like people
Why is nobody trying to drible or chip the keeper ?
Some players did back then. Everybody had their own styles. And you only had five seconds, it went quickly.
@@thecelebratedmisterk didn't realise their was a time limit but I did think at first, geez these guys are going about it first. Regarding your other comment, I agree many sports have injustice but probably more so in soccer, if we could minimise by ridding of controversial methods such as penalties then why wouldn't we ? Instead we are persisting with a game decider that nearly all dislike.
Why the fuck the clock is upside down?
Yeah so? The rest of the world wasn't playing football back in 1980?
TAKOE SRBINE!
very funny
Dips. LOL
Nasty for the takers.
It simply gives you more time to choke, or have a very stupid idea.