And how good is against bots vs How good it's against Terminids. Really makes a big difference to what you take towards each faction. Can't wait to fight the Illuminate 🎉
Mortar is definitely top of S tier in team kills. Followed by the rover, which is mostly a good boy, but sometimes randomly decides to laser your head off.
@@2MeterLP lol yeah, I played dozens of hours without getting a single team or self kill with the rover but than all of the sudden one day it just decided to go on a murderspree or something XD
Expendable Anti Tank is actually insane vs the Terminids. With the somewhat recent patch that allows it to one shot chargers to a headshot, and you getting 2 every 70 seconds prevents Chargers from existing while allowing you to take a backpack. The fact that this strategem is unlocked on what I believe to be level 5(?) is insane, essentially being a early game response to anything armored. Versus the bots, it's a "decent" way to deal with Tanks and Hulks, but not much more than that. It should be noted that most explosives like grenades, EAT, Recoilless Rifle, Autocannon, etc... can break structures like spore shrooms, illegal broadcasts and more is the cherry on top.
- Landing a rocket on the vents of the hulks/tanks will break them instantly, leading to an eventual kill. This usually requires teamwork. - You can break spore spewers with almost any gun. Just shoot in their general direction for a bit.
Yeah, the EAT is my go to charger solution, head hitbox is pretty easy to hit after the patch, and even if you miss it, you probably hit one of it's legs, hit that same leg with another one (Conveniently, you get 2 per drop" and the charger's dead. Worst case, you kill 1 charger with a single drop. Best case, you kill 2.
the anti tank is the goat strategem for bug missions, i love not having to worry about losing my support weapon every death. +you can pretty easily kill a charger with its pod impact if u combo it with a stun grenade
Keep this between me and you alright, but the stratagem ball actually stick to the charger itself. So when your surprised with a charger and you don't have an AT on your back you got your trusty EAT and stick it right on the face of the charger. Make sure its the front so it lands right on him. Every EAT call down is actually 3 dead charger.
smoke is basically on-demand cover; if you've ever been to the creek, you know how valuable that can be tesla tower is just a minefield but zappy: treat it like one, and you won't be dying (you can avoid dying to it if you just go prone too, as said in its description) laser cannon is super good against automatons, can kill ANYTHING, including hulks from the front and tanks from the back jump pack mobility is underrated; getting elevation is busted against bugs and saves lots of time running up slopes compared to turrets, mines are a much lower risk solution: your turrets can get oneshot by the same enemies that oneshot you (a LOT), and mines will ACTUALLY slow down enemy waves while turrets just thin them out does the shield generator relay EVEN HAVE HEALTH? i'm pretty sure it just lasts a set amount of time because i've never seen it go down right after a shot...i've seen it eat rockets, tank shells, and thousands of bullets though (it's also good for luring enemies away and protecting your turrets) IF YOU SET YOURSELF ON FIRE, JUST DIVE AND YOU WILL BE FINE IN A FRACTION OF A SECOND! do they not teach "stop, drop, and roll" anymore? i think EATs and recoilless rifle should be the same tier: they do the same job but have some slight trade offs (maybe it's just because i play a lot of solo and find EATs more handy)
@@AC-hj9tv About 2-3 seconds. It can penetrate the medium armored eye/head piece on the front, just takes a couple seconds of sustained, accurate fire on that part to kill them. Easier said than done when they're rushing you and you're being shot from all directions, but if you have a moment to aim it kills them plenty fast
I love the stalwart with the supply pack. Especially on bugs. It’s like unlimited machine gun. Quick to reload. My primary has medium armor penetration. When I dive with others. The stalwart can keep swarms back. I unleash it on entire nest. I mean you just fire non stop. It’s accurate too. You can kill even heavy armored bugs with it. Just don’t hit the armor. The charger. Hit the back. Or hit it on the back side with a couple gernades. Than rip it with the stalwart unload it dies.
I definitely think the EAT and Machine gun should be higher. The EAT has the same punch as the recoil-less but doesnt take up a backpack slot, and its short cooldown means you can spam these all over the map. The MG has good armor pen and is great for clearing out hordes, and it makes bots less accurate with suppressive fire. good tier list regardless tho
@@CaymenEditzThe big advantage of the first machinegun is the armor penetration. The lighter one is easier to handle, but it bounces right off anything that you can't already kill with your normal weapons, which kind of defeats the purpose of a support weapon IMO.
@@CaymenEditz Nope there no point to use stalwart anymore even for clearing trash mob, with new sickle you pretty much have infinite ammo to clear trash mob also MG did alots more dmg and can penetrate medium armor like hive guard and commander also easily kill bile spewer because this guy have low health in the head but have medium armor.
Autocannon is fairly placed but just a few side notes: it can destroy bug nests and bot factories if you ricochet it off of the hatch, also terminate illegal broadcast side quest can be shot cross map and destroyed with 1 bullet, spore nests can be destroyed in 2, chargers can be killed in 3 bullets (if aimed at back legs from behind), brood mothers in 1 if you headshot them, and the clip for it is 10, just keep count of the ammo and you should be good. in high level lobbies since railgun got nerfed we normally take a recoilless for chargers and Biles (not going to say the spear is bad just it has less backpack ammo then the recoilless), and note the recoilless can 1 shot a charger in the head. 2 Autocannons, and a grenade launcher for cleanup, (level 9 Difficulty)
The expandable is absolutely A-tier as a solo queue, you can one tap so many enemies if you hit weak points, including chargers, bot ships, and even bile titans if you hittem right. And you get 2 of them, both for you or one for you and one for a random who needs a quick kill. Finally, it isn’t a backpack, which is so damn important when you need something like a supply pack or a guard dog
Seriously. When I learnt you can destroy the engine of dropships with one EAT and sink a robot squad it became my favorite support strategem. Nobody gets mad if you bring EAT.
Where do you hit bile titans for an instant kill? Number 1 I don't think it's possible and number 2 if it is, it probably shouldn't be. They fixed the spawns now so you don't get more than 2 titans on any given breach. Making them trivial is not the coolest thing to do. I sport a 500kg bomb and if that can't one shot it sometimes, EAT being able to do it is super imbalanced
@@M.L.official I think there are bile sacs behind the base of the jaw where it connects to the skull, it's inconsistent: but i've scored crits that way
@@M.L.official I was overselling it on the insta kill, but I have headshot a bile titan and killed it completely on a level 7 mission with an expendable rocket, it happened a few times that mission and was so satisfying, so not always an insta kill but a solid finisher if you hit the head dead on
the arc thrower is the best support weapon in my oppinion because if used correctly it CAN take out bosses without using ammo while also killing the goons.
@urchinsify Na, it takes out all bugs except charges and bile titans with ease. And the fact that it kills the small bugs around the big bugs that you are shooting is amazing. Plus the range is very good.
@nilsekluund YEAH. Unless your team has EATs or similar it find it's best to let arc throwers just solo a charger on their own rather than have teammates swarm it to shoot its butt
@@urchinsify i dispute this i bring it to level 9 missions all the time bot and bugs and it usually replaces my primary the arc is a bit janky but when you get it down it takes everything under super heavy enemies down in a few hits Chargers in 6 and if you get the right distance and elevation even titans in a few its especially if you have a Ps5 host.
Laser cannon is actually pretty good in my experience, though its mainly good for the bots, the bugs it can work against but a lot of the bugs come at you too fast and have too much armor for it to be effective, but the bots usually have a weakspot right on their face, and with the laser cannon you can track that at medium distances easily, and take out medium sized enemies without using ammo, and in a pinch it can take out a small group of enemies with good heat management, so take a good crowd control primary for small bots and its pretty decent against medium sized bots
tru usually, but its still has its place imo, esp solo on medium difficulty missions where theres enough enemies that ammo can be scarce but not so many that you dont have the time to make use of the laser cannon@@wh0s_hippo534
idk what your on, i use the laser cannon and i have the complete inverse opinion. I found for bots the laser is so bright and big it's literally impossible to see whether you're hitting their face or not and for crowd control it is actual dogshit. Where it shines in my experience is in melting through bile and nursing spewers or making quick work of those bugs with the armour plates at their front (it pierces that armour.) Its useful for terminids but pretty bad for anything else.
the orbital rail cannon is good but it falls short very fast in higher difficulties do to the large amount of tanks (and many times the cooldown debuff) plus it's long base cooldown
This. Orbital Railcannon is giga bad and I'm not sure why people seem to like it. The cooldown is way too long for something that can't even reliably kill Bile Titans. EAT, 500KG, Orbital Precision, hell even Rocket Pods do what it does better and with much shorter cooldowns. No contest now that stun grenades exist.
@@LordZedzngl all those strategems doest instantly kill the Bile Titan if it didnt hit the center body, take the Orbital rail Cannon as like a finisher attack because of the accuracy, like hit the Titan with the strategems you mentioned and if it didnt die, this railcannon gonna finish the job
There's actually good reason to run the ballistic shield vs the automatons. It is very effective damage mitigation when you are running with the SMG and your sidearm. It can also block shots if you're laying prone and using the railgun to take out armored targets like walkers. In general, I enjoy using it; but I support a group of friends by laying down double mortars and we hit from long range against bots. I wouldn't have more than one person using it, but it's useful for someone who is attracting attention from the group and while crouching you can use your SMG to hit those face shots that down bots with a good deal of accuracy while the ballistic shield is protecting you.
It’s great when paired with the armors that grant reduced recoil when crouching and prone, making your shots more accurate. Also, the armor helps with explosive damage which there is a lot of vs Automatons
10:09 the expendable anti tank is one of the best stratagems currently. With the capability to one shot chargers and bile titans it’s insanely useful. furthermore with the upgrade it only takes a minute to recharge allowing you to cover the field with them which any teammate can pick up and use when needed. In my opinion it’s way better than the recoiless which takes years to reload and only carries 5 in the backpack. The fact that it’s a single use also works as it frees up your backpack slot from the recoiless and allows you to carry a different support weapon that does other things such as the arc thrower or grenade launcher. I think C is a vast under rank and should be higher especially in higher ranks where heavy armored enemies are so common
EAT or MAYBE railgun if they fix/buff it (currently it's just shit gotta be honest, but there is apparently a bug where if you're playing with a ps5 player the damage is way higher or something so sometimes it feels okay) + a supply pack makes you a god tier loner. If you run with more nades you can be holding 18 nades on-demand. If you go with more stimes, you can be holding 18 stims on demand. (3*4=12 12+6=18, 12 in the pack, 6 on the belt) Plus, since it drops fully stocked you can replenish yourself while the rest of your team can keep the resupply. The supply pack is just horribly underrated IMO. With a supply pack and some sentries you can seriously break off on your own and get shit done fairly reliably.
The only things I would change are the arc thrower and the EAT should go in A or S tier. Most people don't use the EAT correctly, it's more of a squad weapon than your weapon. Pick up a squadmate's extra weapon, throw down the EAT when needed, boom some chargers, titans, tanks, hulks, dropships, pick up the other weapon and continue with your day of democracy. Really effective and you still have a backpack, plus the fast call in time allows you to use the call in as a weapon in itself, it'll down a charger just with the deployment. The arch thrower is stupid powerful against bugs. Pretty decent against bots but probably the most useful against bugs. For the sake of credibility, I play on helldive, have 150 hours plus, and have everything maxed out.
I am my teams dedicated heavy enemy removal, and I always run EAT on bug missions. Its been so awesome since they nerfed the chargers' head! I can insta-delete two chargers every minute, or three if I'm feeling cheeky and manage to stick the beacon to a chargers booty.
yeah I really overlooked the EAT at first, like only 2 shots and than it's done?! I'll take the backpack full of rockets thank you very much XD but that's not how it works at all. EAT is better if you use it right. (also get killed a lot less while reloading XD)
the thing with the eat is that you can use another support weapon and just call it down when you need it. you can also scatter a bunch of them around an objective over time and give all of your teammates rly good rocket launchers just laying around. it’s not meant to be used as a stand alone support weapon. it’s meant specifically for heavily armored enemies so that you can run some other support weapon for swarms at the same time
@@h2o848 they’re so underrated because people usually use them inefficiently. you gotta throw one down immediately after the cooldown runs out and you’ll be unstoppable
I think the gatling barrage is actually really good, because while it doesn't really damage armour, it's amazing at clearing a bug spawner or dropship, and has a short rearm time. Usually I'll just take it with another heavier strategem like the railcannon, laser, or bomb.
Tesla tower is probably the biggest one I think is very wrong in this. It's dangerous and takes getting used to its radius, but it lasts a long time and will clear everything that isn't heavy armor. especially great against terminids, against bots you'll likely have to put it behind cover so it doesn't take pot shots, but I haven't tested it enough on those guys.
Aside from the glitchyness of the ballistic shield, it's very usefull againts gunner shield robots. It gives you enough time to line up any shot to the bot. Weather it be the head or it's gunner arms. It also does more protection when running away from hellfiring bullets that the bots can do and is great for all smg weapons.
Orbital gas turns off bug breaches for anything below a charger. Also amazing for choke points, just won’t let anything through. Plus if something makes it through, your rover merely has to look in its general direction before it’s dead.
Personally I find the gas to be pretty trash, not F-Tier but a solid D-Tier. It just lowers the health and only kills off the tiny enemies which are pretty easy to deal with. I would rather bring an Air Strike since it will kill the enemy instead of leaving it alive with partial health. The air strike also destroys nests and buildings plus covers a decent area. It can destroy a small to medium nest on its own. Plus the strike is almost immediate like the gas strike. I really only play against Terminds on lvl 5 difficulty so i don't know if it's different for the robots.
@@CubanPandathe gas lasts for so long though. Sure the air strike will kill things quickly but then the next batch of bugs comes right out. Also you said the gas doesn’t come immediately. It only takes like 2-3 seconds to call in?
@@isaacstevenson7971 I meant "like" not "unlike", typo on my end. The gas lasts for a good chunk of time but you can also cut yourself off from going in that direction for the entire time. You throw it into a nest and now have to wait just to destroy all the tunnels. Destroying the nests prevents them from coming out again and the air strike will destroy the nest as well. If the Gas Strike also slowed the enemies I could see it being much better but again it only kills of the weak stuff and lowers the health of the big stuff.
Machine gun - obliterates every bug other than chargers and titans Tesla Tower - completely broken for defensive missions (as long as you're not an idiot that gets too close). Both are extremely broken but you placed it on D tier... I can't take this tier list with any respect after these horrendous placement. First of all there's literally no other gun that can match the machine gun in damage output and penetration. It penetrates even the warrior bug which can bounce off almost every other gun in the game. Not even the Stalwart has that kind of capability. I can even bring it to level 9 difficulty as long as I still have at least 2 anti armor strategem with it. If you time your reloads properly you are never going to get swarmed because this gun just wipes everything with just a couple bullets. The magazine capacity is insane, not sure exactly how much bullet a mag carries but it's probably 150-200 more or less. Regardless, this gun is S tier with proper firing discipline. Ammo is never an issue with all the ammo lying around and resupply available every 3 minutes. Secondly, tesla tower basically one shots every bug in the game except chargers and bile titans. It even bounces between bugs which allows you to completely have confidence there's no bugs where you place it. In fact I haven't seen a charger destroy a tesla tower yet (i'm level 47) probably because tesla kills it. Or chargers probably doesn't prioritize it like they do to sentries. Regardless, tesla tower is completely busted for missions where you have to defend an area. Better than both mine strategems combined as it doesn't expire after a kill. Also people always misjudge it's range, it probably has the range close to that of a mine field.
Yeah, their placements caught me off guard. Especially the placements of the 120 and 380 barrages. The 120 is fantastic for clearing clustered enemies, and the 380 for a wide area. They make great escapes, too. We were retreating, and my 380 destroyed over 50 bots while we escaped. Not to mention they’re phenomenal for destroying bot bases. It can be annoying when they miss, but that seems to only be the case before they were buffed. They hit frequently now, and when they hit, they hit.
@@herrfantastisch7489 I don't touch the 380.. It's insanely inconsistent. The 120 is great for big bot bases. But not that great for bug hives that has 7+ holes for the same reason.. Insanely inconsistent. Sometimes they hit everything, sometimes you're lucky to get 1 kill. Also there's a bug right now and the kill streak counter doesn't really count everything. Especially when you shoot down bot drop ships you don't get the kills even tho they die.
I love the 380mm! You just throw it and the enemy fabricator hubs or nests and they just get removed! Great for solo play. Just drop it and get out. "Friendly fire is an inevitable fact of life!"
This. I usually run the 120 myself for the same reason: yeet it in, and just keep running to the next one since it's dealt with. If my squadmate wants to run in after I've called it out, that's not the 120's fault.
Having trouble with the randomness of the 380 barrage? Just bring 3 more (with friends) and just glass the base! Accuracy by volume is one of the core tenets of Managed Democracy!
Its also act as a finisher attack for Bile Titans, like when you hit Bile Titans with strategems they don't instantly die so the laser rail Cannon Will finish the job because of the accuracy of it
I run the Stalwart at Helldive, its insanely OP (with increased RPM) against the majority of things but Chargers and Titan. It clears mobs of Hunters insanely well, deals with Medium armor rather easily and it can pack a punch on Stalkers. It's just a really powerful gun to use as primary (I use Scorcher to shoot hard targets). That paired with the Laser Guard makes you untouchable. When it comes about the heavy armor nothing an EAT or the Mech can't handle.
Why don't you just use the Scythe, which is a better Stalwart with infinite ammo, and take something useful for your support so your team doesn't have to carry you?
@@Pablud3Sat least half of all missions have "load the artillery cannon" side objective that you have to discover. There you get to choose which shells do you load (they have different properties) and from there on you get 5 shots of free artillery for the rest of the mission.
rocket pods are kinda underrated tbh, since the railcannon strike is not guaranteed to kill a bile titan, i use them to finish the job. They also have a low cooldown and are also effective against chargers
I’ve used Tesla towers quite a bit and you have to put it in choke points so it only kills enemies. Once you look out for choke points it can be extremely useful. It also is good for distracting enemies like a bile titan for example.
I think you should only use it if you communicate with your team though, like I've played with randoms and every time they placed a tesla I just had to destroy it cuz it was teamkills waiting to happen (like on those really small maps where you have to kill 400 bugs or something, just don't use the tesla XD)
@@zwenkwiel816 bro if you see a giant blue arcing lightouse and decide to walk towards it, that's just darwin putting you in your place. Who knows, maybe you'll reincarnate as a moth a few times to learn why "run headfirst into the brightest thing you can see" isn't a good survival strategy.
@@robonator2945 you don't always see them being put down behind you though. But go on and continue killing your teammates like a moron. You're probably one of those idiots who brings a mortar sentry on bug killing missions too....
Meh, skill issue. Honestly at this point, if you die to a tesla tower regularly and are incapable of figuring out why, it's genuinely on you. It's especially hypocritical to bitch about it killing teammates when you choose to justify the cluster bomb at 11:30 as "noobs not knowing what they are doing". If you die to a shiny, clearly indicated tower, you're a noob - the radius of effect of a cluster bomb is significantly larger than that of a tesla anyways. And I say this as someone who likes cluster bomb! Also the tesla has one of the lowest robotics cooldowns in the game, making it available every 150s. Add to the fact that the only mobs that are capable of killing it in terminids for instance are the charger and the bile titan, and this thing will more than likely live out that full 150s if not more. Another note - tesla has an in built lifespan that exceeds 150s, so you can easily have 2-3 tesla towers at once on an objective if you have been there long enough, while turrets do not appear to have that ability. I completely understand something like mines because they can even glitch out and disappear for players who come in after the mines were placed in the game session! Oh and calling the spear A-tier means you're high. Do democracy, not drugs.
I’d personally put 500kg bomb over rail cannon strike, because if you have all the eagle upgrades, you get 2 uses, a faster cooldown, splash damage, and the ability to 1 hit bile titans. The only thing worse about it is that it can be somewhat hard to hit chargers, but you should be able to kill them without that anyway.
Idk about most people but I love the Stalwart it’s awesome for mowing down rows of bugs. Also you forgot to mention how it holds much more ammo than the normal machine gun. I keep finding my self using it in higher difficulties because it’s the only thing keeping me from getting swarmed.
You need 1 lawnmower player in every team. Rover, Stalward, engineer armor for extra grenades, I prefer the punisher for the high dmg and extra cc. Pair this up with the autocannon and rockey turret to support your heavy armor friends and you'll be hitting 3-4 times their kills keeping them alive from hordes. You can kill everything, but be handicapped against chargers, hulks, tanks and titans. We do duo 7's at times, and if my buddy goes anti heavy armor, I take care of the rest.
@@douwe4254 Arc thrower is just a much better weapon than stalwart for clearing hordes, why not just take that ? Plus you can kill heavy enemies with it quite easily.
@@lukashajas7047 I disagree, plus you have the extra risk of bringing down a teammate who can support you flanks. There are two downsides people overlook with the Arc Thrower and that is range, teamkill potential and bad lightning jumps. And it isn't great either when enemies get closer to you. Stalward allows you to cover the flanks of your teammates from almost any range. Meaning if they are being chased by a small group of critters/bots, you can help them within 4 seconds. You can't do that with the Arc Thrower unless everyone is wearing the armor set, which in turn handicaps certain builds. Equally, meta builds (Arc + armor) builds always get nerfed, so this is a temporary build at best. If you need to clear a group of 20 small critters, that will take me about 4-5 seconds with the stalward, and I got half my magazine left, if not more. It does not matter if they are stacked or spread out. WIth the Arc, if they are spread in width, you will need many shots or relocate, which isn't possible on higher difficulties all that often. If they are stacked, you also need to get lucky with the leaps, and some enemies like the hunter won't go down right away allowing them to get close, you'll likely turn, increasing the risk of blowing your teammate up. Arc thrower is a better middle ground weapon. Stalward + the rest of my kit allow me to focus on everything with the exception of heavy armor. I'm always highest on kills, nearly double that of by teammates, if not more. No accidentals unless by teammates hug my turrets, which in turn saves the team loads of downtime due to retrieving their old gear. Arc is great, but not specialized enough. And due to my engineer armor + my turrets I can focus on the smaller enemies while my turrets mow down the big ones, and if there are too many big enemies, I got 2 teammates who are fully specialized in killing heavy armor enemies.
I can say that anti mat rifle is pretty good for automatons. if you use it exclusively for the mid tier enemies and above, you will almost never run out of ammo. its also very consistent as it will 3 body shot the weird chonky bois that can have a simple arm gun, rockets or shield and the weird walker things that are manned by the small automatons (if you want to kill them from the front). it becomes very good when you get used to the recoil and so can comfortable shoot it somewhat fast, and when you start to consistently kill hulks with the two head shots.
@Pablud3S I think so, but it's easier to shoot over long distances ig with the scope, so you can kill hulks more safely? Plus it doesn't need a backpack to reload so you can have jetpack to get to high places. Tbh I find the anti may rifle fun to use but i would probably find the auto cannon better. I would still probably go back to the anti mat rifle since It's fun to use. Even if auto cannon is better, it doesn't mean both of them aren't good in comparison to everything else, or anti mat is. But I 100% agree that the auto cannon is probably better
@@--9801u guys act like this is an official game statement lmao. Dude… it’s just a random opinion out of thousands on the internet. Everyone calm their nutz.
Especially about the ballistic shield pack,it’s really good with the newer one handed weapons.and the fact that it’s not just “okay” against the robots,it’s great against them.(I may only be level 30,but I’m a strategic mastermind who lead my squad to victory on vega bay against many automatons and factory striders.)
So about the expendable anti tank, I personally find it superior to the recoiless because it drops two of it at once meaning it can equip two helldivers and it only has 60s cooldown with the ship upgrade which is nothing. And with some skill you can consistently drop it on top of heavies, essentially making it drop three rockets. So in summary, it frees up a support weapon slot in the group and essentially has infinite ammo + lots of funny drop pod kills.
well you are kinda right about the 120mm and 380mm but they are very useful at one thing Bases especially automatons so pretty much one grab them if you need to destroy a big stationary target otherwise it's meh.
4:28 you know on the yellow of the tank the laser cannon can actually destory it from there also same with the dropships in the right spot of the engiens and boom you take down that dropship!
I found the machine gun insanely good for crowd control even in late game. i used it for the TCS missions on suicide and it was still very viable Anti material rifle is also insane for late game automaton cause it can one shot hulks in the face plate. And it is a weak point killer kinda like the railgun
Autocannon can also destroy bug holes, automaton factories, the spore spewer objective, and the terminate illegal broadcast objective tower. It 3-4 shots tanks weak spots as well as automaton mortars and the large turret towers.
The thing that makes the arc thrower amazing for me is the fact that it has direct damage. no armor can save the enemy's from it, but it does kill teammates more often than not.
Haven't try it with bugs, but for automatons, mortar or EMP mortars can be great even in offensive mission. Before going into a enemy base you can set one up just right outside the wall of the base, even tho the enemy reinforcement may or may or may not drop outside the wall they will go into the base as soon as they landed because all of the players are inside, so as long as they didn't drop right on top of that mortar it can keep killing enemies inside the base without any disruption, and it can be a huge difference when you dealing with swarms of bots. Edit: not sure if they nurfed it but I wasn't able to kill a bile titan with orbital rail cannon recently, it only peel the back plate away and make the titan low on health but not able to one shot it. Usually it need to be follow up with a rocket to the wounds or in most case people just following up with a 500kg which are already capable of atomizing a full health titan if it lands, making rail cannon feels kinda wasteful to be use on a titan.
Honestly fighting automatons in stead of bugs is like playing a different game. Laser cannon is s tier for bots. Smokes are important for situations where you gotta gtfo. A tier list for both factions separately would probably be a lot more accurate
Disagree heavily with the EAT. Its so damn good because you just need to keep dropping them. You should have one on you, and when you find a titan or charger, drop another one. By the time you get the adds and fire your first rocket, youll have 2 back to back shots for the bile titan 3 shot
What you say about the guard dogs is just wrong. The guard dog river goes in C tier since it doesn’t do much damage while the guard dog is A tier for me, especially against the illuminate since the headshots are crazy. But that’s just my opinion
I've never disagreed with a list more, but I appreciate the perspective. It's fresh and critiques the mechanics well. Never seen the Orbital Walking Barrage rated so high and it's good to see Orbital Precision Strike get some appreciation. Your A and S tiers are pretty spot on though
You did the orbital gas strike so dirty, it's so slept on. It can kill bot fabs as well as hold chokes and wipe out all the little guys so you can focus on the big dudes.
The Stalwart works well as part of a mobile anti-chaff build on bug missions. Helldivers is mainly a team game and you don't necessarily need to have an anti-armor support weapon. Stalwart + Rover laser backpack works a treat to clear out the little guys so your team can focus on the chargers and bio titans.
With the inclusion of the stun nades, the basic precision strike has easily risen to god tier. Being game to stun anything and then immediately insta kill it is amazing
Orbital Precision Strike with the new stun grenades is my most favorite combo for now, + grenade launcher to close bug nests + supply pack for infinite ammo
For me I’m only at challenging so that probably makes a difference but the barrages are so fun for outposts just watching it blow up and it weakens strong big outpost pretty well just my opinion
Love the tier list, 1 thing I have to say though, the orbital airburst I think is slept on. It hits 3 times. I usually miss the first burst but then they start walking towards me and I kill 14 in one go. It's the best for crowd control, especially when your swarmed.
Walking orbitals are amazing for taking out the control bunkers on automaton missions you can just toss it in the direction of the base and you dont even need to use a hellbomb or 500 or even get close for that matter, its super slept on.
As an enjoyer of the 120 and 380 they are really not meant for infantry clearing and more of heavy nest and outpost clearing. Being able to toss one stratagem and wipe out nearly all of it whilst doing nothing is great! And as for the orbital gargling barrage; it’s a short cooldown and is great for tossing on top of an active big breach to continuously spawn kill most if not all of the smaller to mid sized creatures.
Laser cannon is AMAZING on bot missions: it is infinite ammo on a gun that can kill turrets, tanks, and hulks while also being able to mow down little guys. The best part is the long range so you can deal with threats from afar
Other than the ballistic shield and the MG sentry, no strategms in HD2 are less than a C tier. Everything else has viable use cases where they really come into their own. The Stalwart and LMG make excellent "primary" weapons, the gas strike kills bug eggs, does decent crowd control and has a quick cooldown, and the HMG turret is excellent at killing large numbers of enemies in a fortified position. Both minefields and the tesla tower are good for crowd control, they can shut down approaches for enemy units. The EMS strike is a good opener for a powerful strike that you want to garuntee a hit with. Immobilize a large group of enemies then hit then with a 500 kg or a precision strike.
EMS + Any Lethal Stratagem is a really good set up, you can stun problem targets ally-ooping your Teammates into an Easy High priority target elimination
@@h2o848 They are granted with a lesser stun effect and no persistence of the Effectiveness Radiu. It's great for snap plays if someone has them though even letting a Solo Operative One-Two Punch big threats like Hulks to easily get behind them. But they also eliminate the ability to use grenades to bust bunkers or nests a Nice alternative Choice for certain and way Easier to Use with expected draw backs it's honestly the only reason I've considered getting the cutting edge warbond being Honest. The sheer utility and Ease of use would definitely make it perfect for Guerilla warfare especially Hit and Run tactics under a panic without needing to worry about the Call in time of a Stratagem.
HMG emplacement is a great help as long as you place it properly. it requires a bit of skill, but it will hold the line, or cover a flank properly. it takes care of the little guys, so the other dudes can take care of the larger ones. i dont expect everyone to understand.
IMO, EATs is way better than the recoilless rifle. Its a guaranteed 2 dead chargers (1 if you suck at aiming) or 1 dead bile titan every 60 seconds, and doesn't take you backpack slot. If you and one teammate both run it, you'll never not have it ready when you need it. Granted its not AS good against bots, personally i think the railgun and even the anti material rifle are technically better, but ill never not smile when i one shot the drop ship trying to bring reinforcements... TL;DR: EATs is goated for bugs
the main reason i would use 120mm strike is for heavy bug hole areas, but the 380mm feels like it misses those holes more often then the 120mm, and has been working for me still as you rated it, C tier its average 100%
Honestly, ever since they buffed the ballistic shield backpack I’ve been using it on robot missions more than the laser shield, being able to block a shit ton of bullets without losing it.
I LOVE the Punisher(pump shotgun) with gaurddog rover! The shotgun will stagger medium-sized enemies while the rover DPSs them down! And small enemies get absolutrly mowed down! Its such a good combo
It's always a good idea to have 1 Orbital and 1 Eagle on any given mission, something for extreme firepower and something for multiple uses in quick succession. After that it's usually more valuable to have a Support Weapon and a Backpack than any kind of airstrike.
It’s been 9 months, so maybe these have both been buffed/nerfed numerous times since launch, but I would put the Guard Dog ABOVE the Guard Dog Rover most of the time, except maybe high level bug missions. You get CONSTANT friendly fire damage when you’re working with teammates with the Guard Dog Rover, but rarely even graze anybody with the OG Guard Dog. It becomes a serious problem in high level missions, when you’re having to dodge enemies, incoming fire, mortar rounds, short-round air strikes, AND the nonstop sizzling laser of the man standing and weaving 5 feat to your left or right!
EMS strike is an excellent stratagem because it has a really, really, short cooldown and disables *everything.* Anything else powerful enough to kill a heavy unit is going to have a long cooldown, be very narrow in focus like the orbital railgun strike, or both (500kg bomb excepted). You can then leisurely aim at the weak spots on bots to take them out cleanly or escape. It will also just about never get your teammates killed. At worst, they'll get slowed down within the effect but can keep firing.
I personally have a few issued around how bug focused your list is. The most glaring one is the placements of the anti material rifle and the flamethrower. The flamethrower is effective almost exclusively against bugs and because of its ability to harm yourself and your teammates (yes I know you can dive to get rid of the burning but it still deals the initial damage which can and has killed me and my teammates) as well as its short range i think it should have been placed lower. The amr is mainly useful against bots but is good against bugs and the headshot disadvantage really isn't that much of an issue in my experience because it’s armour piercing, rate of fire and damage hold up in dicey situations. I think the amr could probably be higher and the flamethrower should definitely be lower.
As a helldiver on difficulty 9, orbital airburst is extremely useful at thinning out the herd when a bug breach happens and can take an overwhelming fight and make it way easier to manage. Not a flashy one, but for how convenient it is, it's definitely nice to have. EAT is also ridiculously useful as it saves you a backpack slot and a support weapon slot, so if a buddy, random, or even a world drop has something like a flamethrower or arc thrower, you can use that and quickly call in an EAT to deal with the bigger units. Not advised with the Complex Stratagem modifier though. Orbital railcannon is nice... but it's going to get outshined by skillful uses of 500kg and arguably outshined by 110mm rocket pods, granted eagle doesn't fuck you over (except against hulks for some reason). With a 3+ minute cooldown and only one enemy, it really only deals with one big boy and when you have several chargers swarming you or forbid it be 3-5 bile titans surrounded by hunters, it will not get a lot of value difficulty 7+. Granted the ease of use is insane and if you haven't gotten the timings down for 500kg, I wouldn't bat an eye if you chose it but it's definitely not deserving of #1, at least in my opinion. Otherwise very democratic tier list👍
It's now April and the new Quasar Cannon came out after this video came out; I just unlocked it and I think it's at least A, if not S Tier. I went from struggling with Chargers and Bile Titans to just dominating them. Yes, it takes 3 seconds to "spin up" and 10 seconds to cool down after each use, but it's upsides more than make up for that. It does massive damage, has essentially unlimited ammo and it doesn't take up a backpack slot so I can still carry the Rover.
There's another benefit of the EMS mortar: it's not going to TK your party unlike the regular mortar (which if you get ambushed, you're probably going to die) Also has a longer range than the regular mortar, so they don't quite synergise together perfectly.
The arc thrower is HEAVILY slept on, I’m running level 8 missions lately and it does great with crowd control and killing tanks. I’ll consistently do better than max players using it
Orbital Gatling is more focused on doing damage over time and stunning bigger enemies. Also when you drop it on bugs that are going in line they will casualy walk in it, orbital airburst is more focused on medium enemies that take a bit more time to kill and it wont stun as much as for example gatling.
For the Jump Jet points at 9:00, I wanted to be heavy armor with a rail gun when I started using it because of Zone Troopers from C&C3, not Boba Fet but now I'm just used to the enhanced mobility when trying to stealth around solo.
I love the stalwart for its small enemy shreddong capabilities, you just need a friend with something to shred larger stuff and work together Also, automatons can be suppressed and will slow down firing by the orbital barrages, making them perfect replacements for EMS while also getting some kills on the side
Orbital Railcannon Strike is the best all faction stratagem I have. Since I play on Suicide most of the time I will always have a use for a 'single delete every few minute DDR combo'. Besides that the Disposable Anti-Tank is amazing against the bugs and okay against bots. One shots a charger in the face, recharges super fast, comes with 2 a drop. Can be used with the ORS to drop a Bile Titan fast. Can be used with a smart team mate to effectively take down dangerous targets in a crowd. The Laser Cannon support weapon is godly against the bots if you know how to use cover and don't get flanked. A mid stream in the face will drop a Devastator. A long stream in the glowing weak spot like the back of a tank or a mounted cannon tower will melt them. The only downside is you have to aim the beam, not the reticule. This is because the beam lands a little off the center of the reticule. Flamethrower is my fave mob clearing bug killer. Fairly risky to use but the output is fantastic. Just try not to stand your ground against 40 hunters unless they are already on you. Other players using the Arc weapons is the reason I now main the anti-arc armour.
Ballistic shield paired with the fortified commando armor and the Stunlock-SMG and grenade pistol + thermite nade is seriously a good build for soloing automatons. I use it all the time, so i think ballistic shield is a bit underrated imho
Honestly, The laser cannon is good at clearing chaff. I tend to run more high risk primaries like the crossbow and eruptor. The laser cannon arrows me to conserve ammo for larger groups and bigger enemies, and clear out the smaller, single targets, as you don't really need to bother with ammo. just keep periodically sweeping at anything that gets a little too close for comfort, then stow it on your back to cool, and you are set.
The 380 is amazing against bugs, especially on helldive. It works much better as an area clearer than to specifically kill like a bile titan. On helldive there are so many bugs sometimes it’s better to call it in and run than fight them and let them call in more and more bug breaches. Plus if you have 2 of them ran in your group it will clear out pretty much any area for you
Now that Shriekers are a thing, the laser cannon (which was already placed too low) jumps at least 2 tiers up. The ability to just pass the laser over a shrieker and cut its wing off can’t be understated.
About the Laser Cannon - it is VERY good for killing Bile Spewers. About 10 seconds of burn, and they pop. I haven't unlocked the Rail Gun or Arc thrower yet, but so far, it's the most reliable thing I have for this job.
Here's my current ideal setup to fight terminids. Primary: Slugger. Med armor piercing, staggers, and extremely high damage. Sure the rate of fire is slow, but it's got enough shells to deal with small crowds, plus you can do the single shell reload and fire just as fast. Plus, it's a perfect weapon against bile spewers. It can stop it from spewing bile with its stagger, and can two shot one if you hit its head. Laser guard dog Extremely effective against small bugs and doesn't run out of ammp. Against a dense crowd, it can help you provide cover fire towards one direction while you focus on another. It also helps a ton when you're trying to escape if things get too heated. EAT oneshots chargers and you get two per summons. Ideally you can have three if you already call one at the beginning of the mission. Wait time is pretty short and It doesn't take up backpack slot. Eagle Cluster bomb Perfect crowd control. However it does very little damage against chargers and Bile titans, but that's where the fourth strategem comes into play. It's not as powerful as airstrike, but it has larger AOE and you can call it 4 times (5 after upgrade) compared to airstrike's 3. For fourth strategem, i choose either 500KG, 110mm pod, or orbital railcannon. Each has its downsides. 500kg is the ultimate way to kill biles, but its AOE is quite small so it has to land extremely close to a Bile titan to work effectively. In my experience also, unless the bomb lands ON TOP of the titan, it won't likely one shot it. 110mm pod is more concentrated, and you can call it twice (3x after upgrade) compared to 500kg (2x after upgrade). Also, it can track bile titan's movement, so you have better chance to hit than 500kg. However sometimes it doesn't track, especially when the titan is in the middle of a crowd. Also, 110mm needs 2 shots to kill a titan, so you either use it twice, or use EAT for the killing blow. It also has poor AOE, even compared to 500KG, so it has very limited use. Orbital Railgun. it WILL hit what it targets no matter what. Problem is sometimes it targets the wrong enemy, e yet this is pretty rare. It has potential to one shot a bile titan, but most of the time, the titan will survive (with pretty low health), which brings you to its biggest problem. Its the cooldown time is pretty long, so you have to be 100% sure of when and what to use it on. This setup is quite ideal up to difficulty 8 (havent tested on difficulty 9 yet). It's not the best at everything but at least you can deal with any type of terminids efffectively.
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should be two tierlists, how good its at killing enemies and how good it is a killing your teammates
And how good is against bots vs How good it's against Terminids. Really makes a big difference to what you take towards each faction. Can't wait to fight the Illuminate 🎉
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Mortar is definitely top of S tier in team kills. Followed by the rover, which is mostly a good boy, but sometimes randomly decides to laser your head off.
@@2MeterLP lol yeah, I played dozens of hours without getting a single team or self kill with the rover but than all of the sudden one day it just decided to go on a murderspree or something XD
Expendable Anti Tank is actually insane vs the Terminids. With the somewhat recent patch that allows it to one shot chargers to a headshot, and you getting 2 every 70 seconds prevents Chargers from existing while allowing you to take a backpack. The fact that this strategem is unlocked on what I believe to be level 5(?) is insane, essentially being a early game response to anything armored. Versus the bots, it's a "decent" way to deal with Tanks and Hulks, but not much more than that. It should be noted that most explosives like grenades, EAT, Recoilless Rifle, Autocannon, etc... can break structures like spore shrooms, illegal broadcasts and more is the cherry on top.
- Landing a rocket on the vents of the hulks/tanks will break them instantly, leading to an eventual kill. This usually requires teamwork.
- You can break spore spewers with almost any gun. Just shoot in their general direction for a bit.
Yeah, the EAT is my go to charger solution, head hitbox is pretty easy to hit after the patch, and even if you miss it, you probably hit one of it's legs, hit that same leg with another one (Conveniently, you get 2 per drop" and the charger's dead. Worst case, you kill 1 charger with a single drop. Best case, you kill 2.
the anti tank is the goat strategem for bug missions, i love not having to worry about losing my support weapon every death.
+you can pretty easily kill a charger with its pod impact if u combo it with a stun grenade
Keep this between me and you alright, but the stratagem ball actually stick to the charger itself. So when your surprised with a charger and you don't have an AT on your back you got your trusty EAT and stick it right on the face of the charger. Make sure its the front so it lands right on him.
Every EAT call down is actually 3 dead charger.
but against bots, you can also take out the dropship with eats too by aiming it at the engines
Your list is both low difficulty skewed and bug oriented. Bots require an entirely different stragatem loadout, as well as higher difficulty bugs.
Then go watch a different video 😂
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Man it's almost like he said he doesn't play the higher tier missions right at the start of the video
He said he plays lower difficulties.
It's almost like he said "if you disagree feel free to leave a comment"
smoke is basically on-demand cover; if you've ever been to the creek, you know how valuable that can be
tesla tower is just a minefield but zappy: treat it like one, and you won't be dying (you can avoid dying to it if you just go prone too, as said in its description)
laser cannon is super good against automatons, can kill ANYTHING, including hulks from the front and tanks from the back
jump pack mobility is underrated; getting elevation is busted against bugs and saves lots of time running up slopes
compared to turrets, mines are a much lower risk solution: your turrets can get oneshot by the same enemies that oneshot you (a LOT), and mines will ACTUALLY slow down enemy waves while turrets just thin them out
does the shield generator relay EVEN HAVE HEALTH? i'm pretty sure it just lasts a set amount of time because i've never seen it go down right after a shot...i've seen it eat rockets, tank shells, and thousands of bullets though (it's also good for luring enemies away and protecting your turrets)
IF YOU SET YOURSELF ON FIRE, JUST DIVE AND YOU WILL BE FINE IN A FRACTION OF A SECOND! do they not teach "stop, drop, and roll" anymore?
i think EATs and recoilless rifle should be the same tier: they do the same job but have some slight trade offs (maybe it's just because i play a lot of solo and find EATs more handy)
How many years does it take to kill hulks w laser cannon
theres cutting edge armor that prevents 95% of tesla damage and u can use yourself as range extention :)
@@AC-hj9tv About 2-3 seconds. It can penetrate the medium armored eye/head piece on the front, just takes a couple seconds of sustained, accurate fire on that part to kill them. Easier said than done when they're rushing you and you're being shot from all directions, but if you have a moment to aim it kills them plenty fast
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@@digitalhomic8155 I have done this and it works really well. Killed my whole team with a single zap 🤣🤣🤣
F Tier - 0:59
1. Ballistic Shield Backpack - 1:10
D Tier - 1:46
1. Machine Gun - 2:00
2. Tesla Tower - 2:27
3. Eagle & Orbital Smokes - 2:48
4. Anti-Personnel Minefield - 3:13
5. Orbital Gas Strike - 3:31
6. HMG Emplacement - 3:52
7. Laser Cannon - 4:08
8. Machine Gun Sentry - 4:31
9. Stalwart - 4:51
10. Orbital EMS Strike - 5:19
C Tier - 5:45
1. Eagle Strafing Run - 5:56
2. Eagle 10MM Rocket Pods - 6:13
3. Orbital 120 & 380 Barrage - 6:31
4. Anti-Material Rifle - 7:05
5. Orbital Gatling Barrage - 7:26
6. Orbital Air Burst - 7:52
7. Guard Dog - 8:17
8. Jump Pack - 8:44
9. Incendiary Mines - 9:09
10. Shield Generator Relay - 9:36
11. Expandable Anti-Tank - 9:54
12. Orbital Walking Barrage - 10:18
13. Eagle Napalm Strike - 10:41
B Tier - 11:05
1. Eagle Cluster Strike - 11:18
2. Flamethrower - 11:43
3. Rocket Sentry - 12:11
4. EMS Mortar Sentry - 12:30
5. Orbital Precision Strike - 13:13
6. Gatling Sentry - 13:41
7. Arc Thrower - 14:07
8. Recoilless Rifle - 14:47
A Tier - 15:14
1. Spear - 15:25
2. Autocannon Sentry - 10:44
3. Supply Pack - 10:09
4. Grenade Launcher - 10:35
5. Autocannon - 10:59
6. Eagle Airstrike - 17:24
S Tier - 17:46
1. Railgun - 17:57
2. Eagle 500kg Bomb - 18:46
3. Orbital Laser - 18:52
4. Energy Shield Backpack - 19:17
5. Guard Dog Rover - 19:34
6. Mortar Sentry - 20:05
7. Patriot Exosuit - 20:52
8. Orbital Railcannon - 21:28
I love the stalwart with the supply pack. Especially on bugs. It’s like unlimited machine gun. Quick to reload. My primary has medium armor penetration. When I dive with others. The stalwart can keep swarms back. I unleash it on entire nest. I mean you just fire non stop. It’s accurate too. You can kill even heavy armored bugs with it. Just don’t hit the armor. The charger. Hit the back. Or hit it on the back side with a couple gernades. Than rip it with the stalwart unload it dies.
I definitely think the EAT and Machine gun should be higher. The EAT has the same punch as the recoil-less but doesnt take up a backpack slot, and its short cooldown means you can spam these all over the map. The MG has good armor pen and is great for clearing out hordes, and it makes bots less accurate with suppressive fire. good tier list regardless tho
i think the stalwart is better than the mg. bigger mag, better rpm (i think), more mobile, and you can move while reloading it
@@CaymenEditzno medium pen tho
@@deadgunslinger8489 i just aim for weak spots and it’s fine
@@CaymenEditzThe big advantage of the first machinegun is the armor penetration. The lighter one is easier to handle, but it bounces right off anything that you can't already kill with your normal weapons, which kind of defeats the purpose of a support weapon IMO.
@@CaymenEditz Nope there no point to use stalwart anymore even for clearing trash mob, with new sickle you pretty much have infinite ammo to clear trash mob also MG did alots more dmg and can penetrate medium armor like hive guard and commander also easily kill bile spewer because this guy have low health in the head but have medium armor.
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Autocannon is fairly placed but just a few side notes: it can destroy bug nests and bot factories if you ricochet it off of the hatch, also terminate illegal broadcast side quest can be shot cross map and destroyed with 1 bullet, spore nests can be destroyed in 2, chargers can be killed in 3 bullets (if aimed at back legs from behind), brood mothers in 1 if you headshot them, and the clip for it is 10, just keep count of the ammo and you should be good. in high level lobbies since railgun got nerfed we normally take a recoilless for chargers and Biles (not going to say the spear is bad just it has less backpack ammo then the recoilless), and note the recoilless can 1 shot a charger in the head. 2 Autocannons, and a grenade launcher for cleanup, (level 9 Difficulty)
The expandable is absolutely A-tier as a solo queue, you can one tap so many enemies if you hit weak points, including chargers, bot ships, and even bile titans if you hittem right. And you get 2 of them, both for you or one for you and one for a random who needs a quick kill. Finally, it isn’t a backpack, which is so damn important when you need something like a supply pack or a guard dog
Seriously. When I learnt you can destroy the engine of dropships with one EAT and sink a robot squad it became my favorite support strategem.
Nobody gets mad if you bring EAT.
Where do you hit bile titans for an instant kill? Number 1 I don't think it's possible and number 2 if it is, it probably shouldn't be. They fixed the spawns now so you don't get more than 2 titans on any given breach. Making them trivial is not the coolest thing to do. I sport a 500kg bomb and if that can't one shot it sometimes, EAT being able to do it is super imbalanced
@@M.L.official I think there are bile sacs behind the base of the jaw where it connects to the skull, it's inconsistent: but i've scored crits that way
@@M.L.official I was overselling it on the insta kill, but I have headshot a bile titan and killed it completely on a level 7 mission with an expendable rocket, it happened a few times that mission and was so satisfying, so not always an insta kill but a solid finisher if you hit the head dead on
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the lazer canon takes out hulks really quick and its underrated for automatons for that reason.
Meh, 9/10 times, you're dying to the hulk before your cannon can take it out - unless you snipe it.
Wtf guys, just use anti matter rifle and 200m scope
Anti materiel and railgun both kill way faster
@@0verride881pair it with the rover with the laser. Hit the charger with two lasers. It burns fast. Plus the laser cannon can hit things far away.
the arc thrower is the best support weapon in my oppinion because if used correctly it CAN take out bosses without using ammo while also killing the goons.
@urchinsify Na, it takes out all bugs except charges and bile titans with ease. And the fact that it kills the small bugs around the big bugs that you are shooting is amazing. Plus the range is very good.
i personally prefer the stalwart/eat combo
@nilsekluund YEAH. Unless your team has EATs or similar it find it's best to let arc throwers just solo a charger on their own rather than have teammates swarm it to shoot its butt
@@urchinsify i dispute this i bring it to level 9 missions all the time bot and bugs and it usually replaces my primary the arc is a bit janky but when you get it down it takes everything under super heavy enemies down in a few hits Chargers in 6 and if you get the right distance and elevation even titans in a few its especially if you have a Ps5 host.
@@yeetman1344 I might give it another try. Where do you aim it for bile and chargers?
Laser cannon is actually pretty good in my experience, though its mainly good for the bots, the bugs it can work against but a lot of the bugs come at you too fast and have too much armor for it to be effective, but the bots usually have a weakspot right on their face, and with the laser cannon you can track that at medium distances easily, and take out medium sized enemies without using ammo, and in a pinch it can take out a small group of enemies with good heat management, so take a good crowd control primary for small bots and its pretty decent against medium sized bots
Yeah but there are way better options
tru usually, but its still has its place imo, esp solo on medium difficulty missions where theres enough enemies that ammo can be scarce but not so many that you dont have the time to make use of the laser cannon@@wh0s_hippo534
idk what your on, i use the laser cannon and i have the complete inverse opinion. I found for bots the laser is so bright and big it's literally impossible to see whether you're hitting their face or not and for crowd control it is actual dogshit. Where it shines in my experience is in melting through bile and nursing spewers or making quick work of those bugs with the armour plates at their front (it pierces that armour.) Its useful for terminids but pretty bad for anything else.
the orbital rail cannon is good but it falls short very fast in higher difficulties do to the large amount of tanks (and many times the cooldown debuff) plus it's long base cooldown
i used to have it as my go-to titan killer up until i stared playing 8 / 9 difficulty lmao. now i usually really on launchers + rocket pods for them
This. Orbital Railcannon is giga bad and I'm not sure why people seem to like it. The cooldown is way too long for something that can't even reliably kill Bile Titans. EAT, 500KG, Orbital Precision, hell even Rocket Pods do what it does better and with much shorter cooldowns. No contest now that stun grenades exist.
@@LordZedzngl all those strategems doest instantly kill the Bile Titan if it didnt hit the center body, take the Orbital rail Cannon as like a finisher attack because of the accuracy, like hit the Titan with the strategems you mentioned and if it didnt die, this railcannon gonna finish the job
There's actually good reason to run the ballistic shield vs the automatons. It is very effective damage mitigation when you are running with the SMG and your sidearm. It can also block shots if you're laying prone and using the railgun to take out armored targets like walkers. In general, I enjoy using it; but I support a group of friends by laying down double mortars and we hit from long range against bots. I wouldn't have more than one person using it, but it's useful for someone who is attracting attention from the group and while crouching you can use your SMG to hit those face shots that down bots with a good deal of accuracy while the ballistic shield is protecting you.
might have to try it out sometime
It’s great when paired with the armors that grant reduced recoil when crouching and prone, making your shots more accurate. Also, the armor helps with explosive damage which there is a lot of vs Automatons
10:09 the expendable anti tank is one of the best stratagems currently. With the capability to one shot chargers and bile titans it’s insanely useful. furthermore with the upgrade it only takes a minute to recharge allowing you to cover the field with them which any teammate can pick up and use when needed. In my opinion it’s way better than the recoiless which takes years to reload and only carries 5 in the backpack. The fact that it’s a single use also works as it frees up your backpack slot from the recoiless and allows you to carry a different support weapon that does other things such as the arc thrower or grenade launcher. I think C is a vast under rank and should be higher especially in higher ranks where heavy armored enemies are so common
EAT in C Tier with the Spear in A Tier is crazy to me when the Spear feels worse to use in every single way
EAT or MAYBE railgun if they fix/buff it (currently it's just shit gotta be honest, but there is apparently a bug where if you're playing with a ps5 player the damage is way higher or something so sometimes it feels okay) + a supply pack makes you a god tier loner. If you run with more nades you can be holding 18 nades on-demand. If you go with more stimes, you can be holding 18 stims on demand. (3*4=12 12+6=18, 12 in the pack, 6 on the belt) Plus, since it drops fully stocked you can replenish yourself while the rest of your team can keep the resupply.
The supply pack is just horribly underrated IMO. With a supply pack and some sentries you can seriously break off on your own and get shit done fairly reliably.
The only things I would change are the arc thrower and the EAT should go in A or S tier.
Most people don't use the EAT correctly, it's more of a squad weapon than your weapon. Pick up a squadmate's extra weapon, throw down the EAT when needed, boom some chargers, titans, tanks, hulks, dropships, pick up the other weapon and continue with your day of democracy. Really effective and you still have a backpack, plus the fast call in time allows you to use the call in as a weapon in itself, it'll down a charger just with the deployment.
The arch thrower is stupid powerful against bugs. Pretty decent against bots but probably the most useful against bugs.
For the sake of credibility, I play on helldive, have 150 hours plus, and have everything maxed out.
I am my teams dedicated heavy enemy removal, and I always run EAT on bug missions. Its been so awesome since they nerfed the chargers' head! I can insta-delete two chargers every minute, or three if I'm feeling cheeky and manage to stick the beacon to a chargers booty.
I still don't have a full grasp of how the game decides if my strat is going to bounce off the charger vs just land on it
yeah I really overlooked the EAT at first, like only 2 shots and than it's done?! I'll take the backpack full of rockets thank you very much XD
but that's not how it works at all. EAT is better if you use it right. (also get killed a lot less while reloading XD)
If you die bc of a reload problem then you should get better at positioning @zwenkwiel816
I have more hours 🥱
the thing with the eat is that you can use another support weapon and just call it down when you need it. you can also scatter a bunch of them around an objective over time and give all of your teammates rly good rocket launchers just laying around. it’s not meant to be used as a stand alone support weapon. it’s meant specifically for heavily armored enemies so that you can run some other support weapon for swarms at the same time
valid! i solo'd my first termicide mission on d7 with EATs, arc thrower, and two mine sets
@@h2o848 they’re so underrated because people usually use them inefficiently. you gotta throw one down immediately after the cooldown runs out and you’ll be unstoppable
I use it with randoms without any other support just to not be tied down to something I have to pick up again because I got TK'd again 😂
Ahh yes the autocannon sentry…. One of the best backpacks
i had to come here to confirm 16:07
I think the gatling barrage is actually really good, because while it doesn't really damage armour, it's amazing at clearing a bug spawner or dropship, and has a short rearm time. Usually I'll just take it with another heavier strategem like the railcannon, laser, or bomb.
Tesla tower is probably the biggest one I think is very wrong in this. It's dangerous and takes getting used to its radius, but it lasts a long time and will clear everything that isn't heavy armor. especially great against terminids, against bots you'll likely have to put it behind cover so it doesn't take pot shots, but I haven't tested it enough on those guys.
Aside from the glitchyness of the ballistic shield, it's very usefull againts gunner shield robots. It gives you enough time to line up any shot to the bot. Weather it be the head or it's gunner arms.
It also does more protection when running away from hellfiring bullets that the bots can do and is great for all smg weapons.
Orbital gas turns off bug breaches for anything below a charger. Also amazing for choke points, just won’t let anything through. Plus if something makes it through, your rover merely has to look in its general direction before it’s dead.
Personally I find the gas to be pretty trash, not F-Tier but a solid D-Tier. It just lowers the health and only kills off the tiny enemies which are pretty easy to deal with. I would rather bring an Air Strike since it will kill the enemy instead of leaving it alive with partial health. The air strike also destroys nests and buildings plus covers a decent area. It can destroy a small to medium nest on its own. Plus the strike is almost immediate like the gas strike. I really only play against Terminds on lvl 5 difficulty so i don't know if it's different for the robots.
@@CubanPandathe gas lasts for so long though. Sure the air strike will kill things quickly but then the next batch of bugs comes right out. Also you said the gas doesn’t come immediately. It only takes like 2-3 seconds to call in?
@@isaacstevenson7971 I meant "like" not "unlike", typo on my end. The gas lasts for a good chunk of time but you can also cut yourself off from going in that direction for the entire time. You throw it into a nest and now have to wait just to destroy all the tunnels. Destroying the nests prevents them from coming out again and the air strike will destroy the nest as well.
If the Gas Strike also slowed the enemies I could see it being much better but again it only kills of the weak stuff and lowers the health of the big stuff.
Macro, BTW the autocannon can be used to destroy bug nests and automaton factories if aimed correctly!
And illegal broadcasts and spore spewers
Pretty decent for chargers too. If you avoid their charge and hit them in the back legs they usually go down in 3-4 shots
@@D3vilTube they will go down if you shoot one of their back legs twice.
Machine gun - obliterates every bug other than chargers and titans
Tesla Tower - completely broken for defensive missions (as long as you're not an idiot that gets too close).
Both are extremely broken but you placed it on D tier... I can't take this tier list with any respect after these horrendous placement.
First of all there's literally no other gun that can match the machine gun in damage output and penetration. It penetrates even the warrior bug which can bounce off almost every other gun in the game. Not even the Stalwart has that kind of capability. I can even bring it to level 9 difficulty as long as I still have at least 2 anti armor strategem with it. If you time your reloads properly you are never going to get swarmed because this gun just wipes everything with just a couple bullets. The magazine capacity is insane, not sure exactly how much bullet a mag carries but it's probably 150-200 more or less.
Regardless, this gun is S tier with proper firing discipline. Ammo is never an issue with all the ammo lying around and resupply available every 3 minutes.
Secondly, tesla tower basically one shots every bug in the game except chargers and bile titans. It even bounces between bugs which allows you to completely have confidence there's no bugs where you place it. In fact I haven't seen a charger destroy a tesla tower yet (i'm level 47) probably because tesla kills it. Or chargers probably doesn't prioritize it like they do to sentries.
Regardless, tesla tower is completely busted for missions where you have to defend an area. Better than both mine strategems combined as it doesn't expire after a kill. Also people always misjudge it's range, it probably has the range close to that of a mine field.
This is the truest stuff I've ever seen
Yeah, their placements caught me off guard. Especially the placements of the 120 and 380 barrages. The 120 is fantastic for clearing clustered enemies, and the 380 for a wide area. They make great escapes, too. We were retreating, and my 380 destroyed over 50 bots while we escaped. Not to mention they’re phenomenal for destroying bot bases.
It can be annoying when they miss, but that seems to only be the case before they were buffed. They hit frequently now, and when they hit, they hit.
@@herrfantastisch7489 I don't touch the 380.. It's insanely inconsistent.
The 120 is great for big bot bases. But not that great for bug hives that has 7+ holes for the same reason.. Insanely inconsistent.
Sometimes they hit everything, sometimes you're lucky to get 1 kill.
Also there's a bug right now and the kill streak counter doesn't really count everything. Especially when you shoot down bot drop ships you don't get the kills even tho they die.
I love the 380mm!
You just throw it and the enemy fabricator hubs or nests and they just get removed!
Great for solo play. Just drop it and get out. "Friendly fire is an inevitable fact of life!"
380mm I hate it because I used it to do that and it missed EVERY SINGLE SHOT.
Something which the Airstrike would've done better.
This. I usually run the 120 myself for the same reason: yeet it in, and just keep running to the next one since it's dealt with. If my squadmate wants to run in after I've called it out, that's not the 120's fault.
Having trouble with the randomness of the 380 barrage? Just bring 3 more (with friends) and just glass the base! Accuracy by volume is one of the core tenets of Managed Democracy!
Laser Cannon actually wrecks chargers now. Just shoot em in the pooper for a few seconds. One of my new faves alongside the guard rover
5-6 head hits for arc thrower when they charge at you and alt to the side, repeat
Easier
Its also act as a finisher attack for Bile Titans, like when you hit Bile Titans with strategems they don't instantly die so the laser rail Cannon Will finish the job because of the accuracy of it
I run the Stalwart at Helldive, its insanely OP (with increased RPM) against the majority of things but Chargers and Titan. It clears mobs of Hunters insanely well, deals with Medium armor rather easily and it can pack a punch on Stalkers. It's just a really powerful gun to use as primary (I use Scorcher to shoot hard targets). That paired with the Laser Guard makes you untouchable. When it comes about the heavy armor nothing an EAT or the Mech can't handle.
Why don't you just use the Scythe, which is a better Stalwart with infinite ammo, and take something useful for your support so your team doesn't have to carry you?
@@LordZedzthe scythe better than anything?
@@thescrambler6354 Meant Sickle.
@@LordZedz I figured. Haven't tried it yet been playing with the plasma shotgun
i take eagle airstrike into everything. i love how flexible it is in every situation
it’s very versatile
Eagle airstrike chads unite 💪😎 👍
Only time I don't is if you can already call in an airstrike as part of the planet buff, I would take an orbital or sth
@@M.L.officialwhere does that happen
@@Pablud3Sat least half of all missions have "load the artillery cannon" side objective that you have to discover. There you get to choose which shells do you load (they have different properties) and from there on you get 5 shots of free artillery for the rest of the mission.
jump packing onto a high ground versus the nids with a flamethrower is an S-tier niche
rocket pods are kinda underrated tbh, since the railcannon strike is not guaranteed to kill a bile titan, i use them to finish the job. They also have a low cooldown and are also effective against chargers
*Macro:* "I'm not your dad!"
Me: Quietly sobs
I’ve used Tesla towers quite a bit and you have to put it in choke points so it only kills enemies. Once you look out for choke points it can be extremely useful. It also is good for distracting enemies like a bile titan for example.
I think you should only use it if you communicate with your team though, like I've played with randoms and every time they placed a tesla I just had to destroy it cuz it was teamkills waiting to happen (like on those really small maps where you have to kill 400 bugs or something, just don't use the tesla XD)
Basically it's just a big landmine, I always ping my Tesla coils so teammates don't get killed by it
@@zwenkwiel816 bro if you see a giant blue arcing lightouse and decide to walk towards it, that's just darwin putting you in your place. Who knows, maybe you'll reincarnate as a moth a few times to learn why "run headfirst into the brightest thing you can see" isn't a good survival strategy.
@@robonator2945 you don't always see them being put down behind you though. But go on and continue killing your teammates like a moron. You're probably one of those idiots who brings a mortar sentry on bug killing missions too....
Meh, skill issue.
Honestly at this point, if you die to a tesla tower regularly and are incapable of figuring out why, it's genuinely on you. It's especially hypocritical to bitch about it killing teammates when you choose to justify the cluster bomb at 11:30 as "noobs not knowing what they are doing". If you die to a shiny, clearly indicated tower, you're a noob - the radius of effect of a cluster bomb is significantly larger than that of a tesla anyways. And I say this as someone who likes cluster bomb!
Also the tesla has one of the lowest robotics cooldowns in the game, making it available every 150s. Add to the fact that the only mobs that are capable of killing it in terminids for instance are the charger and the bile titan, and this thing will more than likely live out that full 150s if not more. Another note - tesla has an in built lifespan that exceeds 150s, so you can easily have 2-3 tesla towers at once on an objective if you have been there long enough, while turrets do not appear to have that ability.
I completely understand something like mines because they can even glitch out and disappear for players who come in after the mines were placed in the game session!
Oh and calling the spear A-tier means you're high. Do democracy, not drugs.
I’d personally put 500kg bomb over rail cannon strike, because if you have all the eagle upgrades, you get 2 uses, a faster cooldown, splash damage, and the ability to 1 hit bile titans. The only thing worse about it is that it can be somewhat hard to hit chargers, but you should be able to kill them without that anyway.
Idk about most people but I love the Stalwart it’s awesome for mowing down rows of bugs. Also you forgot to mention how it holds much more ammo than the normal machine gun. I keep finding my self using it in higher difficulties because it’s the only thing keeping me from getting swarmed.
You need 1 lawnmower player in every team. Rover, Stalward, engineer armor for extra grenades, I prefer the punisher for the high dmg and extra cc. Pair this up with the autocannon and rockey turret to support your heavy armor friends and you'll be hitting 3-4 times their kills keeping them alive from hordes. You can kill everything, but be handicapped against chargers, hulks, tanks and titans.
We do duo 7's at times, and if my buddy goes anti heavy armor, I take care of the rest.
@@douwe4254 Arc thrower is just a much better weapon than stalwart for clearing hordes, why not just take that ? Plus you can kill heavy enemies with it quite easily.
@@lukashajas7047 I disagree, plus you have the extra risk of bringing down a teammate who can support you flanks. There are two downsides people overlook with the Arc Thrower and that is range, teamkill potential and bad lightning jumps. And it isn't great either when enemies get closer to you. Stalward allows you to cover the flanks of your teammates from almost any range. Meaning if they are being chased by a small group of critters/bots, you can help them within 4 seconds. You can't do that with the Arc Thrower unless everyone is wearing the armor set, which in turn handicaps certain builds. Equally, meta builds (Arc + armor) builds always get nerfed, so this is a temporary build at best.
If you need to clear a group of 20 small critters, that will take me about 4-5 seconds with the stalward, and I got half my magazine left, if not more. It does not matter if they are stacked or spread out. WIth the Arc, if they are spread in width, you will need many shots or relocate, which isn't possible on higher difficulties all that often. If they are stacked, you also need to get lucky with the leaps, and some enemies like the hunter won't go down right away allowing them to get close, you'll likely turn, increasing the risk of blowing your teammate up.
Arc thrower is a better middle ground weapon. Stalward + the rest of my kit allow me to focus on everything with the exception of heavy armor. I'm always highest on kills, nearly double that of by teammates, if not more. No accidentals unless by teammates hug my turrets, which in turn saves the team loads of downtime due to retrieving their old gear.
Arc is great, but not specialized enough. And due to my engineer armor + my turrets I can focus on the smaller enemies while my turrets mow down the big ones, and if there are too many big enemies, I got 2 teammates who are fully specialized in killing heavy armor enemies.
@@lukashajas7047yeah i don't think arc trower can handle 6 hunters jumping on me in 10 feet
@@PixelGhost07 They wont get near you if you just dont suck so yeah it will.
They should give the Stalwart a slight ammo capacity nerf and make it a primary, I'd use it all the time.
16:08 It does say the wrong thing here lol. Great video though! I'm thinking about buying this game.
You should get the game for democracy if you have friends make sure they get it also
I can say that anti mat rifle is pretty good for automatons. if you use it exclusively for the mid tier enemies and above, you will almost never run out of ammo. its also very consistent as it will 3 body shot the weird chonky bois that can have a simple arm gun, rockets or shield and the weird walker things that are manned by the small automatons (if you want to kill them from the front). it becomes very good when you get used to the recoil and so can comfortable shoot it somewhat fast, and when you start to consistently kill hulks with the two head shots.
Isn't that the same as auto cannon but with less boom?
@Pablud3S I think so, but it's easier to shoot over long distances ig with the scope, so you can kill hulks more safely? Plus it doesn't need a backpack to reload so you can have jetpack to get to high places. Tbh I find the anti may rifle fun to use but i would probably find the auto cannon better. I would still probably go back to the anti mat rifle since It's fun to use. Even if auto cannon is better, it doesn't mean both of them aren't good in comparison to everything else, or anti mat is. But I 100% agree that the auto cannon is probably better
As a skull admiral with hundreds of dives under my belt I found this list to be severely misleading and very poorly thought out.
lets hear your top 10 then so that other lvl 50 skull admirals can nit pick it, say the same things u just said and feel the same way you do lol.
Same here I have 220h in the game only play helldive everything unlocked and some stuff is simply not right
@@TerryD5000a list like this should be done via votes in my opinion and not by preference of a small grupp of people or 1 person
@@--9801u guys act like this is an official game statement lmao. Dude… it’s just a random opinion out of thousands on the internet. Everyone calm their nutz.
Especially about the ballistic shield pack,it’s really good with the newer one handed weapons.and the fact that it’s not just “okay” against the robots,it’s great against them.(I may only be level 30,but I’m a strategic mastermind who lead my squad to victory on vega bay against many automatons and factory striders.)
So about the expendable anti tank, I personally find it superior to the recoiless because it drops two of it at once meaning it can equip two helldivers and it only has 60s cooldown with the ship upgrade which is nothing. And with some skill you can consistently drop it on top of heavies, essentially making it drop three rockets.
So in summary, it frees up a support weapon slot in the group and essentially has infinite ammo + lots of funny drop pod kills.
well you are kinda right about the 120mm and 380mm but they are very useful at one thing
Bases especially automatons so pretty much one grab them if you need to destroy a big stationary target otherwise it's meh.
Chief, eagle rocketpods are better for destroying bases. It gets outclassed by an ability considered one if the worst in the game
4:28 you know on the yellow of the tank the laser cannon can actually destory it from there also same with the dropships in the right spot of the engiens and boom you take down that dropship!
Hey macro, can you make a video where you try apex legends clone pls
I found the machine gun insanely good for crowd control even in late game. i used it for the TCS missions on suicide and it was still very viable
Anti material rifle is also insane for late game automaton cause it can one shot hulks in the face plate. And it is a weak point killer kinda like the railgun
I’m gonna be honest the flamethrower shreds automatons
Autocannon can also destroy bug holes, automaton factories, the spore spewer objective, and the terminate illegal broadcast objective tower. It 3-4 shots tanks weak spots as well as automaton mortars and the large turret towers.
Autocannon is the best support weapon in the game change my mind. This shit legit let’s me solo diff 8 (against bots)
The thing that makes the arc thrower amazing for me is the fact that it has direct damage. no armor can save the enemy's from it, but it does kill teammates more often than not.
Haven't try it with bugs, but for automatons, mortar or EMP mortars can be great even in offensive mission. Before going into a enemy base you can set one up just right outside the wall of the base, even tho the enemy reinforcement may or may or may not drop outside the wall they will go into the base as soon as they landed because all of the players are inside, so as long as they didn't drop right on top of that mortar it can keep killing enemies inside the base without any disruption, and it can be a huge difference when you dealing with swarms of bots.
Edit: not sure if they nurfed it but I wasn't able to kill a bile titan with orbital rail cannon recently, it only peel the back plate away and make the titan low on health but not able to one shot it. Usually it need to be follow up with a rocket to the wounds or in most case people just following up with a 500kg which are already capable of atomizing a full health titan if it lands, making rail cannon feels kinda wasteful to be use on a titan.
Honestly fighting automatons in stead of bugs is like playing a different game. Laser cannon is s tier for bots. Smokes are important for situations where you gotta gtfo. A tier list for both factions separately would probably be a lot more accurate
Disagree heavily with the EAT. Its so damn good because you just need to keep dropping them. You should have one on you, and when you find a titan or charger, drop another one. By the time you get the adds and fire your first rocket, youll have 2 back to back shots for the bile titan 3 shot
brother put arc thrower in the b tier not knowing there is tech that doubles rate of fire and kills chargers in 5 seconds
Fr?!
@@Aaroncoop9162just shoot at 50% itt does the same dmg
What you say about the guard dogs is just wrong. The guard dog river goes in C tier since it doesn’t do much damage while the guard dog is A tier for me, especially against the illuminate since the headshots are crazy.
But that’s just my opinion
12:09 missed opportunity for don’t say I didn’t WARM you (because fire)
I've never disagreed with a list more, but I appreciate the perspective. It's fresh and critiques the mechanics well. Never seen the Orbital Walking Barrage rated so high and it's good to see Orbital Precision Strike get some appreciation. Your A and S tiers are pretty spot on though
not letting other people have a vote on the tier list isnt very democratic.. might you be an automaton macro?
No, you see macro managed the democracy
Eexpendable anti tank is op. Its a very precsise Orbital Strike, as well as 2 Chargers every 70 seconds
The Tesla tower and laser cannon in D disqualified him from making tier lists
You did the orbital gas strike so dirty, it's so slept on. It can kill bot fabs as well as hold chokes and wipe out all the little guys so you can focus on the big dudes.
EAT is easily S tier
The Stalwart works well as part of a mobile anti-chaff build on bug missions. Helldivers is mainly a team game and you don't necessarily need to have an anti-armor support weapon. Stalwart + Rover laser backpack works a treat to clear out the little guys so your team can focus on the chargers and bio titans.
the stalwart in D tier is a crime!
Agree.
With the inclusion of the stun nades, the basic precision strike has easily risen to god tier. Being game to stun anything and then immediately insta kill it is amazing
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Orbital Precision Strike with the new stun grenades is my most favorite combo for now, + grenade launcher to close bug nests + supply pack for infinite ammo
If you can't go into level 7 your tierlist is hardly credible brother. Everything is usable in thr lower levels
For me I’m only at challenging so that probably makes a difference but the barrages are so fun for outposts just watching it blow up and it weakens strong big outpost pretty well just my opinion
Love the tier list, 1 thing I have to say though, the orbital airburst I think is slept on. It hits 3 times. I usually miss the first burst but then they start walking towards me and I kill 14 in one go. It's the best for crowd control, especially when your swarmed.
Walking orbitals are amazing for taking out the control bunkers on automaton missions you can just toss it in the direction of the base and you dont even need to use a hellbomb or 500 or even get close for that matter, its super slept on.
As an enjoyer of the 120 and 380 they are really not meant for infantry clearing and more of heavy nest and outpost clearing. Being able to toss one stratagem and wipe out nearly all of it whilst doing nothing is great! And as for the orbital gargling barrage; it’s a short cooldown and is great for tossing on top of an active big breach to continuously spawn kill most if not all of the smaller to mid sized creatures.
Laser cannon is AMAZING on bot missions: it is infinite ammo on a gun that can kill turrets, tanks, and hulks while also being able to mow down little guys. The best part is the long range so you can deal with threats from afar
Other than the ballistic shield and the MG sentry, no strategms in HD2 are less than a C tier. Everything else has viable use cases where they really come into their own. The Stalwart and LMG make excellent "primary" weapons, the gas strike kills bug eggs, does decent crowd control and has a quick cooldown, and the HMG turret is excellent at killing large numbers of enemies in a fortified position. Both minefields and the tesla tower are good for crowd control, they can shut down approaches for enemy units. The EMS strike is a good opener for a powerful strike that you want to garuntee a hit with. Immobilize a large group of enemies then hit then with a 500 kg or a precision strike.
EMS + Any Lethal Stratagem is a really good set up, you can stun problem targets ally-ooping your Teammates into an Easy High priority target elimination
i've found the call-in time to be a bit long (skill issue i know), but i think the stun grenades in the new warbond are basically mini EMS strikes
@@h2o848 They are granted with a lesser stun effect and no persistence of the Effectiveness Radiu. It's great for snap plays if someone has them though even letting a Solo Operative One-Two Punch big threats like Hulks to easily get behind them.
But they also eliminate the ability to use grenades to bust bunkers or nests a Nice alternative Choice for certain and way Easier to Use with expected draw backs it's honestly the only reason I've considered getting the cutting edge warbond being Honest. The sheer utility and Ease of use would definitely make it perfect for Guerilla warfare especially Hit and Run tactics under a panic without needing to worry about the Call in time of a Stratagem.
Kind of a bummer not including a full view of the tier list, I kept having to go back and remind myself what was in the previous tier
HMG emplacement is a great help as long as you place it properly. it requires a bit of skill, but it will hold the line, or cover a flank properly. it takes care of the little guys, so the other dudes can take care of the larger ones. i dont expect everyone to understand.
IMO, EATs is way better than the recoilless rifle. Its a guaranteed 2 dead chargers (1 if you suck at aiming) or 1 dead bile titan every 60 seconds, and doesn't take you backpack slot. If you and one teammate both run it, you'll never not have it ready when you need it. Granted its not AS good against bots, personally i think the railgun and even the anti material rifle are technically better, but ill never not smile when i one shot the drop ship trying to bring reinforcements...
TL;DR: EATs is goated for bugs
the main reason i would use 120mm strike is for heavy bug hole areas, but the 380mm feels like it misses those holes more often then the 120mm, and has been working for me still as you rated it, C tier its average 100%
Honestly, ever since they buffed the ballistic shield backpack I’ve been using it on robot missions more than the laser shield, being able to block a shit ton of bullets without losing it.
I LOVE the Punisher(pump shotgun) with gaurddog rover! The shotgun will stagger medium-sized enemies while the rover DPSs them down! And small enemies get absolutrly mowed down! Its such a good combo
It's always a good idea to have 1 Orbital and 1 Eagle on any given mission, something for extreme firepower and something for multiple uses in quick succession. After that it's usually more valuable to have a Support Weapon and a Backpack than any kind of airstrike.
It’s been 9 months, so maybe these have both been buffed/nerfed numerous times since launch, but I would put the Guard Dog ABOVE the Guard Dog Rover most of the time, except maybe high level bug missions.
You get CONSTANT friendly fire damage when you’re working with teammates with the Guard Dog Rover, but rarely even graze anybody with the OG Guard Dog. It becomes a serious problem in high level missions, when you’re having to dodge enemies, incoming fire, mortar rounds, short-round air strikes, AND the nonstop sizzling laser of the man standing and weaving 5 feat to your left or right!
EMS strike is an excellent stratagem because it has a really, really, short cooldown and disables *everything.* Anything else powerful enough to kill a heavy unit is going to have a long cooldown, be very narrow in focus like the orbital railgun strike, or both (500kg bomb excepted). You can then leisurely aim at the weak spots on bots to take them out cleanly or escape. It will also just about never get your teammates killed. At worst, they'll get slowed down within the effect but can keep firing.
I personally have a few issued around how bug focused your list is. The most glaring one is the placements of the anti material rifle and the flamethrower. The flamethrower is effective almost exclusively against bugs and because of its ability to harm yourself and your teammates (yes I know you can dive to get rid of the burning but it still deals the initial damage which can and has killed me and my teammates) as well as its short range i think it should have been placed lower. The amr is mainly useful against bots but is good against bugs and the headshot disadvantage really isn't that much of an issue in my experience because it’s armour piercing, rate of fire and damage hold up in dicey situations. I think the amr could probably be higher and the flamethrower should definitely be lower.
As a helldiver on difficulty 9, orbital airburst is extremely useful at thinning out the herd when a bug breach happens and can take an overwhelming fight and make it way easier to manage. Not a flashy one, but for how convenient it is, it's definitely nice to have.
EAT is also ridiculously useful as it saves you a backpack slot and a support weapon slot, so if a buddy, random, or even a world drop has something like a flamethrower or arc thrower, you can use that and quickly call in an EAT to deal with the bigger units. Not advised with the Complex Stratagem modifier though.
Orbital railcannon is nice... but it's going to get outshined by skillful uses of 500kg and arguably outshined by 110mm rocket pods, granted eagle doesn't fuck you over (except against hulks for some reason). With a 3+ minute cooldown and only one enemy, it really only deals with one big boy and when you have several chargers swarming you or forbid it be 3-5 bile titans surrounded by hunters, it will not get a lot of value difficulty 7+. Granted the ease of use is insane and if you haven't gotten the timings down for 500kg, I wouldn't bat an eye if you chose it but it's definitely not deserving of #1, at least in my opinion.
Otherwise very democratic tier list👍
It's now April and the new Quasar Cannon came out after this video came out; I just unlocked it and I think it's at least A, if not S Tier. I went from struggling with Chargers and Bile Titans to just dominating them. Yes, it takes 3 seconds to "spin up" and 10 seconds to cool down after each use, but it's upsides more than make up for that. It does massive damage, has essentially unlimited ammo and it doesn't take up a backpack slot so I can still carry the Rover.
There's another benefit of the EMS mortar: it's not going to TK your party unlike the regular mortar (which if you get ambushed, you're probably going to die)
Also has a longer range than the regular mortar, so they don't quite synergise together perfectly.
The arc thrower is HEAVILY slept on, I’m running level 8 missions lately and it does great with crowd control and killing tanks. I’ll consistently do better than max players using it
Orbital Gatling is more focused on doing damage over time and stunning bigger enemies. Also when you drop it on bugs that are going in line they will casualy walk in it, orbital airburst is more focused on medium enemies that take a bit more time to kill and it wont stun as much as for example gatling.
For the Jump Jet points at 9:00, I wanted to be heavy armor with a rail gun when I started using it because of Zone Troopers from C&C3, not Boba Fet but now I'm just used to the enhanced mobility when trying to stealth around solo.
I love the stalwart for its small enemy shreddong capabilities, you just need a friend with something to shred larger stuff and work together
Also, automatons can be suppressed and will slow down firing by the orbital barrages, making them perfect replacements for EMS while also getting some kills on the side
Orbital Railcannon Strike is the best all faction stratagem I have. Since I play on Suicide most of the time I will always have a use for a 'single delete every few minute DDR combo'.
Besides that the Disposable Anti-Tank is amazing against the bugs and okay against bots. One shots a charger in the face, recharges super fast, comes with 2 a drop. Can be used with the ORS to drop a Bile Titan fast. Can be used with a smart team mate to effectively take down dangerous targets in a crowd.
The Laser Cannon support weapon is godly against the bots if you know how to use cover and don't get flanked. A mid stream in the face will drop a Devastator. A long stream in the glowing weak spot like the back of a tank or a mounted cannon tower will melt them. The only downside is you have to aim the beam, not the reticule. This is because the beam lands a little off the center of the reticule.
Flamethrower is my fave mob clearing bug killer. Fairly risky to use but the output is fantastic. Just try not to stand your ground against 40 hunters unless they are already on you.
Other players using the Arc weapons is the reason I now main the anti-arc armour.
i prefer the ems mortar over the regular mortar mainly because it does less friendly fire damage
Ballistic shield paired with the fortified commando armor and the Stunlock-SMG and grenade pistol + thermite nade is seriously a good build for soloing automatons. I use it all the time, so i think ballistic shield is a bit underrated imho
Honestly, The laser cannon is good at clearing chaff.
I tend to run more high risk primaries like the crossbow and eruptor. The laser cannon arrows me to conserve ammo for larger groups and bigger enemies, and clear out the smaller, single targets, as you don't really need to bother with ammo. just keep periodically sweeping at anything that gets a little too close for comfort, then stow it on your back to cool, and you are set.
The 380 is amazing against bugs, especially on helldive. It works much better as an area clearer than to specifically kill like a bile titan. On helldive there are so many bugs sometimes it’s better to call it in and run than fight them and let them call in more and more bug breaches. Plus if you have 2 of them ran in your group it will clear out pretty much any area for you
Now that Shriekers are a thing, the laser cannon (which was already placed too low) jumps at least 2 tiers up. The ability to just pass the laser over a shrieker and cut its wing off can’t be understated.
About the Laser Cannon - it is VERY good for killing Bile Spewers. About 10 seconds of burn, and they pop.
I haven't unlocked the Rail Gun or Arc thrower yet, but so far, it's the most reliable thing I have for this job.
ok i gotta say the machine gun is good until after impossible this thing goes through medium armor and u just look cool using it
Here's my current ideal setup to fight terminids.
Primary: Slugger.
Med armor piercing, staggers, and extremely high damage. Sure the rate of fire is slow, but it's got enough shells to deal with small crowds, plus you can do the single shell reload and fire just as fast. Plus, it's a perfect weapon against bile spewers. It can stop it from spewing bile with its stagger, and can two shot one if you hit its head.
Laser guard dog
Extremely effective against small bugs and doesn't run out of ammp. Against a dense crowd, it can help you provide cover fire towards one direction while you focus on another. It also helps a ton when you're trying to escape if things get too heated.
EAT
oneshots chargers and you get two per summons. Ideally you can have three if you already call one at the beginning of the mission. Wait time is pretty short and It doesn't take up backpack slot.
Eagle Cluster bomb
Perfect crowd control. However it does very little damage against chargers and Bile titans, but that's where the fourth strategem comes into play. It's not as powerful as airstrike, but it has larger AOE and you can call it 4 times (5 after upgrade) compared to airstrike's 3.
For fourth strategem, i choose either 500KG, 110mm pod, or orbital railcannon. Each has its downsides.
500kg is the ultimate way to kill biles, but its AOE is quite small so it has to land extremely close to a Bile titan to work effectively. In my experience also, unless the bomb lands ON TOP of the titan, it won't likely one shot it.
110mm pod is more concentrated, and you can call it twice (3x after upgrade) compared to 500kg (2x after upgrade). Also, it can track bile titan's movement, so you have better chance to hit than 500kg. However sometimes it doesn't track, especially when the titan is in the middle of a crowd. Also, 110mm needs 2 shots to kill a titan, so you either use it twice, or use EAT for the killing blow. It also has poor AOE, even compared to 500KG, so it has very limited use.
Orbital Railgun.
it WILL hit what it targets no matter what. Problem is sometimes it targets the wrong enemy, e yet this is pretty rare. It has potential to one shot a bile titan, but most of the time, the titan will survive (with pretty low health), which brings you to its biggest problem. Its the cooldown time is pretty long, so you have to be 100% sure of when and what to use it on.
This setup is quite ideal up to difficulty 8 (havent tested on difficulty 9 yet). It's not the best at everything but at least you can deal with any type of terminids efffectively.