Dotaology: History of Venomancer

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  • @DennisTheTall
    @DennisTheTall  3 роки тому +144

    If you were Venomancer, what would your Plague Wards look like and what special effect would they have?

    • @whatcontroller4624
      @whatcontroller4624 3 роки тому +26

      Probably like dicks because I've got childish humour.

    • @Gildorify
      @Gildorify 3 роки тому +12

      I am a simple man. I laugh at fart jokes. So I want some mushrooms that look in a certain way and for them to fart on enemies.

    • @aintijustthecutest3863
      @aintijustthecutest3863 3 роки тому +5

      Pea shooter w/ a "pew pew" sfx, in addition to its debilitating passives.
      I was also hoping you'll use Undying, instead of Razor, and have a pea shooter as the plague ward in your doodle intro lol

    • @antihero8603
      @antihero8603 3 роки тому +3

      Sub-woofers that blast death metal

    • @kochiyamochiya
      @kochiyamochiya 3 роки тому +3

      It's like a regular Plague Ward, but they are holding a gun instead with their tiny arm

  • @Gabrielbarsch
    @Gabrielbarsch 3 роки тому +269

    That hydra venomancer could be a nice concept for an arcana

    • @bb-im6hf
      @bb-im6hf 3 роки тому +9

      well, we had the collector cashe hydra venomancer two years ago or so, but an arcana in a similar style does sound nice

    • @hinatashoyo5746
      @hinatashoyo5746 3 роки тому +5

      I think centipede venomancer would be better and more terrifying

    • @bb-im6hf
      @bb-im6hf 3 роки тому +2

      @@hinatashoyo5746 we kind of had that too, in the Cave-themed battlepass collector's cache. It was called Molokau Stalker (and the hydra i mentioned before was called Corruption of the Virulent Krait)

    • @pvshka
      @pvshka 3 роки тому

      @@hinatashoyo5746 20:14?

    • @legendarynoob4689
      @legendarynoob4689 3 роки тому

      that a nice idea but as you can see we are still waiting for spectre arcana so dont hope for another one any time soon

  • @aintijustthecutest3863
    @aintijustthecutest3863 3 роки тому +153

    Veno was such a broken hero back in Dota1, during the time when Hood of Defiance didn't exist yet.
    Ah, the memories of anguish and despair.

    • @jayzenstyle
      @jayzenstyle 3 роки тому +5

      One of the reasons why he's my favorite hero back in dota1. There's just something beautiful about seeing your enemies panick while dying slowly.

    • @farhanmohamad1943
      @farhanmohamad1943 3 роки тому +1

      Lothar sny was the best

    • @iliaadamanthark8336
      @iliaadamanthark8336 2 роки тому +2

      And now he's useless. Just a ward slave and cannon fodder

    • @bayumahendra1797
      @bayumahendra1797 2 роки тому +1

      Back then his combo ulti+skill1 and couple hit guaranted kill against any hero

    • @sheiji312
      @sheiji312 2 роки тому

      @@farhanmohamad1943 i clearly remember this item build and also the curses my friends would lash out at the computer shop as slither boy wipes out 5 enemies with one ss

  • @borkozdravkovic4746
    @borkozdravkovic4746 3 роки тому +107

    The drawings are getting better amd better

    • @nether7495
      @nether7495 3 роки тому +4

      The drawings are getting better nvidia better

    • @urmemegay7929
      @urmemegay7929 3 роки тому +1

      The drawings are getting better ati better

    • @harrilaani9105
      @harrilaani9105 3 роки тому +2

      Yeah his drawing skills just keep ryzen

    • @Yuzuki1337
      @Yuzuki1337 Рік тому

      I have acquired valuable Intel: The drawings are indeed getting better

  • @andrewimm2576
    @andrewimm2576 3 роки тому +18

    The biggest semi-recent balance change to Veno was changing gale and sting to be dispellable and making sting no longer ignore spell immunity. This changed him from being arguably the best hero in dota during TI7 to being very very situational thereafter.

    • @MrAskmannen
      @MrAskmannen Рік тому

      His new aghs punishes opponents for dispelling, but has too short of a cast range imo

  • @rdsasuke1
    @rdsasuke1 3 роки тому +37

    Also Venomancer's ultimate comes from the Necromancer class from Diablo 2 and as such Xul from HoTS has it direct copy of it as well.

    • @michimatsch5862
      @michimatsch5862 3 роки тому +2

      Was surprised that did not come up.

    • @aldrinmercado3475
      @aldrinmercado3475 3 роки тому

      Op probably didnt play diablo

    • @henrylaz8964
      @henrylaz8964 3 роки тому

      @@aldrinmercado3475 you dont need to, most of this video's content can be researched from online wiki/trivia. His illustration was helpful, tho.

    • @aldrinmercado3475
      @aldrinmercado3475 3 роки тому

      @@henrylaz8964 op is young though he couldnt have played it

  • @JoNarDLoLz
    @JoNarDLoLz 3 роки тому +35

    Summary on fighting against Venomancer:
    "I cant move"

    • @Biouke
      @Biouke 3 роки тому

      Step 1: Put wards
      Step 2: Run
      Repeat until your assailant dies. Slowly. And painfully.

    • @yimkumerjamir3639
      @yimkumerjamir3639 3 роки тому

      I don't feel so good

  • @legionnaire97
    @legionnaire97 3 роки тому +27

    Ahhh the frustration of being slowed. TBH, I would rather be stunned than be slowed. If you're stunned, you understand that you cannot move and therefore have to wait it out. Whereas if you're slowed, you still have that HOPE that you can escape since you can still fight back only for you to be consumed by the inevitable death that is closing in. You can struggle all you want but in the end, you'll still be dead.

  • @johnmichaelreyes4577
    @johnmichaelreyes4577 3 роки тому +15

    I remember when i had over an hour game using venomancer although we lost we still hold that long enough to make the game fun.... those 3x health and attack damage plague wards combine with a over stacked flesh heap pudge make our opponents struggle

  • @theolanderdilag3872
    @theolanderdilag3872 3 роки тому +10

    "Will drive you bananas with his toxicity"
    > tfw venomancer is a hydralisk in dota1 and the race's BM is baneling stratt

  • @rennellarnejo4871
    @rennellarnejo4871 3 роки тому +14

    Fuck Yeah didnt expect Veno will be next
    Thanks Dennis!

  • @Tenryuu19
    @Tenryuu19 Рік тому +1

    If I recall correctly, the reason he was out for some versions in Dota 1 was that there was a bug with the Refresher, that made it spawn wisps in the second use of his ult, giving him the ability to build and train units.

  • @skypheonix619
    @skypheonix619 3 роки тому +6

    Dennis The Tall: 6:41
    Valve Devs: WRITE THAT DOWN!
    WRITE THAT DOWN!!

  • @ryotanada
    @ryotanada 3 роки тому +12

    "Look closer, D-enny!" KEKW, I can't!

  • @NiGHTSnoob
    @NiGHTSnoob Рік тому +2

    You'll probably talk about Teemo again during Templar Assassin too, not just Viper, seeing as he's fundamentally a loose port of her. Short ranged but range, cloaks while standing still, lays traps, gets a damage boost when breaking stealth (attack speed instead of armor lowering but still)
    Also while Blinding Dart is functionally quite different from Refraction they're both abilities that allow you to do more damage and avoid several instances of damage rolled into one so they serve a similar purpose in the kit.

  • @MrTubeStuck
    @MrTubeStuck 3 роки тому +3

    FINALLY!!! THANK YOU DENNIS FOR FINALLY COVERING MY FAVORITE HERO!!! YES I KNOW THIS IS IN ALL CAPS, I DONT CARE I WANT TO TRY SCREAMING THIS OUT FROM WHERE I AM TO WHERE YOU ARE!!! THANK YOU

  • @c_splash
    @c_splash 3 роки тому +1

    The Corruption of the Virulent Krait set from the TI7 Collectors Cache seems like a callback to his hydra model.

  • @whatcontroller4624
    @whatcontroller4624 3 роки тому +1

    Woah woah woah woah woah. Dennis hasn't reached 100k subs yet? Howw? His content is so well produced.

  • @rafaelperalta1676
    @rafaelperalta1676 3 роки тому +1

    My favorite now is Veno. I'm almost near 300 games using him. It's such a delight playing with him as he can be adjustable enough to play any roles during a game.

  • @nurrohmatadiputra5378
    @nurrohmatadiputra5378 3 роки тому +2

    I believe poison sting damage are only useful to disrupt regeneration. chip damage last longer on the hero since natural regen are countered/partially countered by the sting damage causing them to have to use tango more often and the tick damage prevent the use of salve without having to completely backing up from the lane for significant amount of time.
    Though later the slow are mostly what you used it for.

  • @theunfortunategeneral
    @theunfortunategeneral 10 днів тому

    havent played Dota for years.
    But this dude was my favorite.

  • @snayper7446
    @snayper7446 3 роки тому +3

    Damn. Dota 1. Nostalgia hits hard. I remember skipping school with my classmates just to trashtalk each other on lan. Good times.

  • @kingamc15
    @kingamc15 3 роки тому +1

    Dennis deserves at least 10 times more subscribers than he has now. Hope you get there soon brother . Cheers

  • @wouldyoukindly4657
    @wouldyoukindly4657 3 роки тому +2

    Remember when venomancer was called hydralisk? And you can find him somewhere in the forest in warcraft 3 reign of chaos

  • @amandalindsey7741
    @amandalindsey7741 3 роки тому +1

    Also with league you want a slithering champion who does poison damage, Cassiopeia fits this

  • @deathraze9
    @deathraze9 3 роки тому +5

    Remember when they kept tweaking veno's poison and they made it deal pure damage? Lmao Bless the guy who did that.

  • @Ayahuasca98
    @Ayahuasca98 2 роки тому +2

    I hope your great channel grows! Also Venomancer was my first dota main.

  • @DennisTheTall
    @DennisTheTall  3 роки тому +12

    Also don't forget to join the channel to use these fun icons in the comments!

  • @ComeGetYourKnives
    @ComeGetYourKnives 2 роки тому

    Dennis must have been high out of his mind in my game because all he did was buy all the observer wards and hoard them in his inventory while feeding the enemy team his plague wards. Great job Dennis!

  • @ryanryan3220
    @ryanryan3220 3 роки тому +2

    Idk if Cassiopeia from League of Legends will be similar to venomancer. She does not have the ward, apply poison on her basic attack or ultimate. She does apply poison on her Q & W abilities. Her E ability makes her the DPS & her W ability slows & prevents enemy from using mobility abilities. She has the snake like appearance, too.

    • @ryanryan3220
      @ryanryan3220 3 роки тому

      Thanks for the clarification.

    • @pvshka
      @pvshka 3 роки тому

      Yeah I was wondering why he didn't being up Cass, thought she would be more related to Veno than either Teemo or Twitch.

  • @lazy-game-5531
    @lazy-game-5531 3 роки тому +16

    fastest click in the west

  • @streamerkanz5445
    @streamerkanz5445 3 роки тому +9

    I came late because venomancer's slowness affected me too hard :')

  • @FadeMorningstar
    @FadeMorningstar 3 роки тому +4

    I haven't played Dota in 2 years now and I've actually become a league player (sadly still bronze ;_;) yet I always find myself watching these videos as soon as they come out
    Love the videos man keep them going

  • @VanjesKos
    @VanjesKos Рік тому

    18:55
    The music is indeed fitting for such a story. Great job. :D

  • @Biouke
    @Biouke 3 роки тому +1

    Finally ! Mah boi ! :D
    *picks veno* "Imma gonna PLAGUE their jungle ! "
    Oh, and here's a tip: You can hide plague wards in the trees for maximum nuisance, they don't need line of sight :3

  • @worganfreeman2694
    @worganfreeman2694 2 роки тому

    My first ever dota1 hero. Used to love hearing that sound effect when shadowstrike hit its target.

  • @zeusandmagnus3446
    @zeusandmagnus3446 3 роки тому

    Your drawings are getting so much better. Not that that's why I
    watch the videos but its a nice touch and cool so see the improvement from an earlier vid.

  • @howard6340
    @howard6340 3 роки тому +1

    Love your work!

  • @vachder7350
    @vachder7350 3 роки тому

    My first and still my favorite hero from all the way back in 2012, great video

  • @MrLolguy93
    @MrLolguy93 3 роки тому +17

    >"Will drive you bananas with his toxicity"
    Too late for that, pal

  • @ryotanada
    @ryotanada 3 роки тому +6

    You didn't mention that some of his abilities allow the enemy to be denied.

    • @doublewide8938
      @doublewide8938 3 роки тому

      I mean I think that’s less on Veno and more on the base mechanics of if an ally hero is below a certain percentage and has a debuff that has the potential to kill them then they can be denied.

  • @serperialist1079
    @serperialist1079 3 роки тому

    I was waiting for this with such eager

  • @BillTheChill654
    @BillTheChill654 3 роки тому +1

    Great video! You missed a reference though; in HOTS, Xul has Poison Nova as one of his heroics

  • @geninmollinedo2636
    @geninmollinedo2636 3 роки тому +2

    Could you do undying next? Fell in love with that hero and would love to see the history

  • @kilat1791
    @kilat1791 3 роки тому

    Maybe poison nova is a bacterial infection that produces poison and the bacteria can't survive in a dead host so it makes sure that the victim does not die from it while the other spells are actual poison that will kill regardless.

  • @Russell007ifly
    @Russell007ifly 3 роки тому +1

    My day has been made better

  • @valse6195
    @valse6195 Рік тому

    Crazy how this video will be 2 years old tomorrow

  • @darkdestiny9106
    @darkdestiny9106 3 роки тому +1

    Another fun fact to pull from League of Legends is that the champion Singed has a similar playstyle to the Ancient Hydra iteration of Venomancer, with a poison cloud ability that lets him damage anyone chasing after him, while being tanky and elusive with his skills to keep baiting them to follow.

  • @fogz
    @fogz 3 роки тому +1

    Venomancer in dota 1 is the monster you don't want to see observing you and lurking at the dark, dota 2 venomancer is the one that chases you until it gets you

  • @hessiankyojin
    @hessiankyojin Рік тому

    Venomancer really needs those Disease Clouds and make Poison Nova lethal again.

  • @prplprince8730
    @prplprince8730 3 роки тому +7

    Why does Luna hate venomacer?
    It’s because veno keeps trying to poison nova!

  • @LiveGoDaYDaYs
    @LiveGoDaYDaYs 3 роки тому +2

    The HoN version also have 100 % reduction on regen on his 3rd skill

  • @prime8393
    @prime8393 3 роки тому

    This channel is so underrated. Ive follow this channel since 7-8 years ago.. Still cant pas 100k subscribers.. 😭 keep spirit bro...

  • @NateCummings
    @NateCummings 3 роки тому

    I thought maybe I'd do a little drinking game, and take a shot everytime Dennis says the word "Poison," but then I passed out in a green jungle and now I'm an oozing banana snake.

  • @SwissFemboy
    @SwissFemboy 2 роки тому +1

    Id love a hydralisk arcana/Immortal for Venom a true nostalgic set ^ ^ would be awesome

  • @flyingpenguin5978
    @flyingpenguin5978 3 роки тому

    The thumbnail was a hydralisk. Sick.

  • @cboelcke694
    @cboelcke694 2 роки тому

    Back when they added the initial round of EXP and later Lvl 10 Gold talents Jungle Veno at the offlane Duo Ancients and Jungle Camp was a gloriously greedy but very very easy way to get a stupid early Midas into a Veil + Aghs at like sub 20 mins and +5 levels on everyone. You would farm/stack the 1 camp and 2 Ancient camps with plague wards + Sting, with Iron Talon helping you get to the crucial level 3 since that is when you got Lvl 2 Plague Wards which could start to properly farm the ancient camp.

  • @Chiaros
    @Chiaros Рік тому

    Your writing is top notch

  • @YoshoFrags
    @YoshoFrags 3 роки тому

    Can't Like Videos 2x. But If I could, I Would! Epic Vid. Watching all the rest right now.

  • @Gigas0101
    @Gigas0101 Рік тому

    I love Venomancer, got my only megakill with him by running away and screaming. He's such a lovely little scamp!

  • @doublewide8938
    @doublewide8938 3 роки тому

    Fun note the MSI roster that won to make the poison ivy slither skin had both Fly and NoTail on it. I believe trixxy was their main slither player but I might be misremembering.

  • @allensmith9879
    @allensmith9879 11 місяців тому

    Wayyy back when i first started playing Dota Venimancer was 5he go to easy / fun to play slightly overpowered hero. He was also big in the trilaning meta paired with something like CM / Viper it was impossible as a melee to lane vs.

  • @Tinskap
    @Tinskap 2 роки тому

    i feel like making veno more like the hon veno would be super cool, they could impliment all of the mechanics by downgarding his damage a little.

  • @ashuea2
    @ashuea2 3 роки тому +1

    Viper's rival back in DoTA 1

  • @thydzz2180
    @thydzz2180 3 роки тому +3

    Poison Nova, or as I like to call it AOE Viper Strike

  • @antonisnicolaou9212
    @antonisnicolaou9212 3 роки тому +1

    Hmm I really thought you would include Cassiopeia as a notable mention, she is THE DoT poison champion :P

  • @recorder2002
    @recorder2002 2 роки тому +1

    8:12 hydralisk was'nt undead unit, hydralisk model was used to change a undead hero type.

  • @l33tc0d4
    @l33tc0d4 3 роки тому +1

    The Name of the HON-Spell Toxicity itself is also a song from System of a Down. So someone probably tried to compress a few Metal jokes in there :)

  • @alfredomodesto319
    @alfredomodesto319 3 роки тому

    My first hero during dota 1 days

  • @GojiEm
    @GojiEm 3 роки тому +1

    Venomancer is definitely on my “Boys Stable”!
    DENNIS!
    WHAT BAR is Venomancer?

  • @jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745
    @jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745 3 роки тому

    the drawings are so awesome now

  • @dimensius8610
    @dimensius8610 3 роки тому +1

    Poison Nova: Does not deal lethal damage.
    Me: Wait what?

  • @ZurinArctus0
    @ZurinArctus0 3 роки тому

    Woah an update! Bless you!

  • @John-Salad
    @John-Salad 3 роки тому

    i see you are a man of culture as well

  • @jertonmal
    @jertonmal 3 роки тому +2

    Where can I buy these Venom toys?

  • @elgabs237
    @elgabs237 2 роки тому

    ahhhh the green spitting Hydralisk

  • @aldrinmercado3475
    @aldrinmercado3475 3 роки тому

    I remember the horror of facing ward build veno in mid. I was like wtf do i do?

  • @shadowcurtain
    @shadowcurtain 3 роки тому

    still love that pick your poison voiceline and he had lethal ult too from Staff of Masters which i think veno should get from aghs too

    • @bb-im6hf
      @bb-im6hf 3 роки тому +1

      didnt veno also have a lethal ultimate for a while in Dota 2?
      i think i remember a patch note that said it is now "no longer lethal"

    • @shadowcurtain
      @shadowcurtain 3 роки тому

      @@bb-im6hf well now when u say it it might be true been such a long time i have probably forgotten about it

  • @sayitdd
    @sayitdd 3 роки тому

    Nova works like the venom of a spider. You know keeping victims fresh. Like Frodo (Lord of the rings).

  • @befree1797
    @befree1797 3 роки тому

    7:20 imagine mid venom with scepter and veil jumping into 4 1200hp heroes and just presing 2k dot. Now u need to hit all of then at least.

  • @HALEIWA7
    @HALEIWA7 2 роки тому

    13:50 "Wink!" LOL.

  • @GearDiego23
    @GearDiego23 3 роки тому

    my first ever played character back in 2012

  • @TEJR69
    @TEJR69 3 роки тому

    Playing Veno as a carry is one of my longest pocket picks that like 95% of the time are often met with weird looks or outright disagreement and the player on the same lane picking carry instead of a support.
    The thing with Veno, he sure ain't your regular carry that can 1v2 easily, it's all about the positioning, vision and playing around your poisons/slows. (That Manta mentioned in the video, is super cool fot his build)
    Having for example Nature's prophet on your lane makes their game a living nightmare, all that can really fuck you up is Snapfire, Slark or anything with blink since you can't abuse the prophet's Q.
    Still, all of them having some kind of a dash/blink in their kit... poor AM still won't get his BF by 15 minute mark even if he'll try his best.
    If the enemy team is playing SUPER defensively, getting your hands on Meteor Hammer is one way of spreading your cancerous presence elsewhere and it adds that much needed stun for his kit.
    Overall, I always loved Veno, love, and always will

  • @allanmasanegra9523
    @allanmasanegra9523 3 роки тому

    Excuse me dennis, can you also make a video history of luna and mirana?
    Or history of snapfire?

  • @valsotto27
    @valsotto27 3 роки тому

    I was waiting for a starcraft reference

  • @luthfinicolasereni5595
    @luthfinicolasereni5595 2 роки тому

    Since I have been using Venomancer, Pudge is not a nightmare for me anymore.

  • @bohopwood3872
    @bohopwood3872 3 роки тому

    NICE VID MAN

  • @RatedB1
    @RatedB1 3 роки тому

    Dennis knows the coolness of Lurkers~

  • @allekid
    @allekid 3 роки тому

    Truth be told venommancer is the very first hero I've ever played

  • @foolishmuleth6757
    @foolishmuleth6757 3 роки тому

    I think I have a good reason to get into Dota 2 now

  • @brunogonzalez5830
    @brunogonzalez5830 3 роки тому

    My favourite hero

  • @jotardkujo3071
    @jotardkujo3071 3 роки тому +1

    NEAT. chaos knight pls

  • @allanmasanegra9523
    @allanmasanegra9523 3 роки тому

    Hey dennis the tall can you make a video of windranger dotalogy and vengeful spirit dotalogy?

  • @ruii933
    @ruii933 Рік тому

    Kuku's most favorite hero

  • @Enger1
    @Enger1 3 роки тому

    yes best hero finally

  • @hierarchlaurence
    @hierarchlaurence 3 роки тому

    After hearing Hydralisks, my inner Zerg fanboi tingles

  • @blindtreeman8052
    @blindtreeman8052 3 роки тому +4

    First?.(neat. Now have your attention. *Insert funny meme here*)

  • @cherryblossom1335
    @cherryblossom1335 3 роки тому

    Wait、isn't poison sting stack with his ward? Both of debuff deal damage not only the highest one like dennis said

  • @cailooro7147
    @cailooro7147 3 роки тому +1

    Please make a history of Queen of Pain next 😭😭😭

  • @damienadios968
    @damienadios968 3 роки тому

    My main hero