Dotaology: History of Sand King

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  • @DennisTheTall
    @DennisTheTall  3 роки тому +118

    We all know that Sand King is great, but what would you add/change about him?

    • @bb-im6hf
      @bb-im6hf 3 роки тому +28

      as was mentioned, his shard does not have that big of an effect, so maybe if we could replace that with for example the Dust Trail, that might be nice

    • @ruditya4219
      @ruditya4219 3 роки тому +2

      Maybe give him shard rework. Change it to a new skill would be a good one. Then name it Bite The Dust

    • @xxEchoDecayxx
      @xxEchoDecayxx 3 роки тому +2

      Sand King needs more stun

    • @NateCummings
      @NateCummings 3 роки тому +20

      Bring back his fun chanting when he used to channel sandstorm; I miss it so

    • @traviscarey7615
      @traviscarey7615 3 роки тому

      I would give him a guitar and put him on a plateau and then call him Rock King

  • @kevinmoore7173
    @kevinmoore7173 3 роки тому +5

    Love the cc identifying him as "Craigslist the sand King"

  • @aboodyboi
    @aboodyboi 3 роки тому +53

    You forgot to mention his ulti getting changed from a channeling spell to a cast point which made him way easier to use

  • @anarariunbat1726
    @anarariunbat1726 3 роки тому +70

    I think u missed a significant change that was made they changed the ult s channeling to cast time which means that u can stop the epicenter after u cast it it makes it way more reliable and if u get interrupted in the past ur ult would be used with out the ult ever starting.

    • @HonestlyUnhinged
      @HonestlyUnhinged 3 роки тому

      The ult is channeling now it used to be cast animation before now u can cancel the channeling without using ult

    • @gusdanielgozar
      @gusdanielgozar 3 роки тому +8

      @@HonestlyUnhinged its no longer channeling. As per the original comment, it was changed into cast time which is a different thing from channeling :D

    • @muhammadwalid8440
      @muhammadwalid8440 3 роки тому

      I like sand king in dota 1, so cool

    • @xxJinraixx
      @xxJinraixx 3 роки тому +3

      @@HonestlyUnhinged instead of the 2 second delay being a "channeling" (which if interrupted or cancelled before the pulses come out or the channeling animation is finished makes the skill go on cooldown) it was converted into a cast point (think SF's Requiem of Souls, which has a 1.67 sec cast point before the souls come out), the latter of which does not go into cooldown if interrupted or cancelled.

  • @Tintelinus
    @Tintelinus 3 роки тому +68

    One of my favorite thing about Sand Kings voice lines is how they have some frankly bizzare pop culture references.
    "Like the sands through an hourglass these are the days of defeat" is a reference to the soap opera Days of our Lives.
    He has two likes referencing Christmas themed things "Where you expecting Sandy Claws" referencing Nightmare before Christmas and "We three kings of disorient are" referencing We Three Kings of Orient are.
    There are also two music references and one line referencing a poem. I have no clue why Sand King of all heroes have a bunch of really damn random references.

    • @pvshka
      @pvshka 3 роки тому +14

      Iirc, Warcraft3 units in general just used to have a bunch of cultural references, so maybe it's kinda a remnant of that.

  • @rdsasuke1
    @rdsasuke1 3 роки тому +80

    He was one of the most played heroes back in the day. Probaly because he had one of the few flashy ultimates in the game.

    • @jmas081391
      @jmas081391 3 роки тому +17

      because he's like an expensive version of Earthshaker skill wise. Also Epicenter kind of lacks damage nowadays and lacks impact mid to late game.

    • @sandz000
      @sandz000 3 роки тому +5

      thats noob me in dota 1 , carry sandking ftw!

    • @bazookaschoolboy
      @bazookaschoolboy 3 роки тому +26

      old sand king's epicenter was like a nuclear bomb haha good ol' days

    • @JeffersonPuhawan
      @JeffersonPuhawan 2 роки тому

      @@bazookaschoolboy more like a death sentence once cast

    • @savagekruger77
      @savagekruger77 2 роки тому +2

      I remember more than 10 years ago spamming SK, literally 1 hit combo stun then epi deletes razor lmao

  • @shadowremorse
    @shadowremorse 3 роки тому +57

    i am surprised that dennis fail to mention on the version when sandking is released, burrowstrike doesnt go in cool down if u hit something while targetting the ground

    • @WoobertAIO
      @WoobertAIO 3 роки тому +9

      Oh god that's so fucking broken lmao

    • @namnnamn1911
      @namnnamn1911 3 роки тому +1

      I didmt even heard that he said something about sk ult that can be stop now

    • @PoonDestruction
      @PoonDestruction 3 роки тому +3

      Or the fact that at somepoint, caustic finale debuff only lasted .1 seconds, meaning you had to get the last hit for the effect to trigger.

    • @lekrieg8618
      @lekrieg8618 3 роки тому

      @@PoonDestruction yeah but it triggered off of ANY damage right? If i recall, as long as sk got the kill they popped. So if you pop a single creep and kill 3 more, the 3 creeps will also trigger caustic explosion.

    • @PoonDestruction
      @PoonDestruction 3 роки тому +1

      @@lekrieg8618 No, it was an orb effect (yes, the kind that didn't stack with Sange/Lifesteal/Desolator/Lightnings/Skadi) with a fraction of a second duration, so it only worked when you got a last hit (via right click) on an enemy.
      Edit: Technically Sand King doesn't have to be the one to get the last hit for CF to trigger, but the likelihood that someone else lands a killing blow .1 seconds after you attack was very low (especially considering the channeled storm/uncancellable ulti).

  • @Khetzal-NLG
    @Khetzal-NLG 3 роки тому +16

    Fun fact or bug! At the early versions if you died while burrowed, the next time you burrowed, there was a chance that you could use epicenter which was doing insane dmg. You could actually see crits aka red numbers appear.

  • @canni5760
    @canni5760 3 роки тому +91

    Honestly, both dust trail and entrench seem like fun spells, and I'd like to see either of them added to Sand King as a shard. Beats the hell out of what he has now.

    • @noahwuwungan7533
      @noahwuwungan7533 3 роки тому +9

      i agree, dust trail would be a more interesting and impactfull agh shard upgrade than 1-3 pulse of epicenter

    • @Felipecarlosrocha
      @Felipecarlosrocha 3 роки тому +2

      You gain dust trail on the lvl 25 talent.

    • @noahwuwungan7533
      @noahwuwungan7533 3 роки тому +6

      @@Felipecarlosrocha better as a lvl 15 talent or make its number really broken

    • @markmillerftw
      @markmillerftw 3 роки тому +1

      dust trail would be cool

    • @funfacttrivias2121
      @funfacttrivias2121 3 роки тому

      For sand kings skill now should stay but instead they should make another hero maybe like Sand kings brother with those skills would be great

  • @arbiesaur
    @arbiesaur 3 роки тому +129

    We missed you, King!

    • @DennisTheTall
      @DennisTheTall  3 роки тому +17

      I missed you ;)

    • @prapy11
      @prapy11 3 роки тому +3

      @@DennisTheTall can you do the history of towers ( scourge and sentinel towers to how it changed to radiant and dire). The previous sentinel towers looked so sick!!!

  • @wabachi
    @wabachi 3 роки тому +11

    13:16 as a small funfact, king's ultimate in dota1 was actually thrall's ultimate in w3

  • @haninditohaidarsatrio7393
    @haninditohaidarsatrio7393 3 роки тому +6

    My favorite line from Sand King comes from the time we type thanks in chat
    'To you, my loyalty'
    Just like Jugg's 'I will not forget this', but having much more charisma

  • @rence234
    @rence234 3 роки тому +7

    Damn Dota 1 sand king is basically
    "MA THERE'S A WEIRD CAT OUTSIDE"

  • @J.Applejuice
    @J.Applejuice 3 роки тому +10

    Love this series Dennis! Thank you for another episode.

  • @Virtus2
    @Virtus2 3 роки тому +9

    The introduction of his Sandstorm skill got me

  • @SantaClawztheSamurai
    @SantaClawztheSamurai 3 роки тому +4

    Finally. I been waiting for this for so long... SK is my favourite hero since WC era

  • @WoobertAIO
    @WoobertAIO 3 роки тому +1

    24:30 Sand King's aghanim's shard real utility isn't for his ganking, but for pursuing enemies after cleaning a lane or after ganking.
    You just walk alongside them and don't even bother attacking them, since your shard will both apply damage *and* slow them down all the while your Burrowstrike is recharging.
    It's pretty much the same as Pudge's Rot, except you don't damage yourself when using it.

    • @tulirongtuliro
      @tulirongtuliro 3 роки тому +3

      I think one of the real reason they made that shard for SK is that when you use ult then dagger the first pulse always goes to waste. So to offset that they made that shard that goes off every 700 distance.

  • @MarooTK
    @MarooTK 3 роки тому +2

    There was also a bug/feature back in WC3 day where some spots in the map will let sand king burrowstrike into it and emerge much farther than it should be. Those spots were called wormhole back then.

  • @BoneWalker
    @BoneWalker Рік тому

    13:44 Back prior to his most recent rework, Rammus had Tremors as his ultimate. He'd stir up the earth around himself, causing earthquakes in ticks, dealing damage and applying a stacking slow each tick. The aoe was centered on rammus and lasted a fair bit longer, and had a wider range than current soaring slam's aoe.

  • @NothingVideot
    @NothingVideot 3 роки тому +2

    This made my evening, thanks for the video!

  • @RakuenAram
    @RakuenAram 3 роки тому +11

    I think you forgot one of the major Sand king changes that made him way better and viable: A couple patches ago he received a major buff which allowed him to cancel Epicenter. It was no longer a channeling ability it had a cast point, that meant if you cancelled it, it would no longer be on cooldown

  • @Youmu_Konpaku_
    @Youmu_Konpaku_ 3 роки тому +2

    Merry Christmas Dennis And have the best new year. Happy to cya back :D

  • @thedukeofmayhem
    @thedukeofmayhem 3 роки тому +2

    Took some time but here it is. :D Thanks for keeping up with this, dude. Highly anticipated by someone who started playing since 2004. Cheers!
    Congratulations on your new cat!

  • @MuscleM100
    @MuscleM100 2 роки тому +1

    When he said, "Written by You suck at dota"
    I felt that

  • @shadowcurtain
    @shadowcurtain 3 роки тому +3

    i loved Magmus so much and at one point is that the stun at max lvl used to be higher than the channel time for ult

  • @MAMAJUGO
    @MAMAJUGO 3 роки тому +3

    I'd say lol's fiddlesticks also took a page from Sand King's book, with his ult being the whole "channel for 2 seconds, blink, and have a giant AoE DoT that follows you" thingy

    • @floreskyle1
      @floreskyle1 3 роки тому +1

      When I first played LoL Fiddle is the very champion that attracted me because of his ult alone, being similar to Sand King.

  • @chewji7249
    @chewji7249 3 роки тому +3

    I like that Darude -sandstorm reference. Dennis u forgot to mention that caustic finale even works on the creep that enemy denies. Making meelee heroes almost impossible to lane with him

  • @Captain1nsaneo
    @Captain1nsaneo 3 роки тому +2

    7.20's change also had another affect. Sand storm used to persist after you stopped channeling for a second or two but if you restarted channeling by casting the spell again the damage aoe would update but the visual effect would not. You could slowly walk away from your stand storm and bamboozle the enemy team into trying to find you where the effect was.

  • @spiralingspiral72
    @spiralingspiral72 3 роки тому +5

    You forgot the change (i think it was 7.29 or something) that changed Epicenter from channeling to a cast animation.
    This change was really huge, as you can try to threaten enemies and cancel it if they retreat

    • @mojtabarezaei4333
      @mojtabarezaei4333 2 роки тому

      Lol I love threatening enemies with it, it's so cool once I remember that Pa initiate on me, i used it then cancel it, he run and comeback, i did it till like 5 times and at last he died in sandstorm😝.

  • @mzc_crazy3769
    @mzc_crazy3769 3 роки тому

    Can't wait to be here when you get to 100,000!

  • @marioniers
    @marioniers 3 роки тому +11

    i think you missed one big thing with SK
    before the epicenter is a channeling skill, so being stunned bakes it go on CD
    it was then changed to a castpoint, which meant that being stunned wont make it CD. this is a big change imo

  • @ngeeee222
    @ngeeee222 Рік тому

    Please update more of this..been watching you a lot

  • @ka-pow9032
    @ka-pow9032 3 роки тому

    Thanks for giving us one final video before 2021 wrapped up! Love your work!

  • @howard6340
    @howard6340 3 роки тому +1

    Thank goodness you are back

  • @joefebri3236
    @joefebri3236 3 роки тому +5

    He is my favorite back when I still played,
    I mean he/it was the coolest looking hero around!

    • @bremsstrahlung2306
      @bremsstrahlung2306 3 роки тому +3

      The CGI of SK in dota2 sucks, while CGI of SK in dota1 is better imo

  • @omkarghadge3590
    @omkarghadge3590 3 роки тому +3

    The return of the KING !

  • @yiroij6296
    @yiroij6296 3 роки тому

    Glad to see new video after waiting for centuries

  • @krimsonmelm3714
    @krimsonmelm3714 3 роки тому +2

    I was expecting sand storm and he really adds it.What a king

  • @flavioarantesdoamorimbarce95
    @flavioarantesdoamorimbarce95 3 роки тому

    Thank you. Good to see you back

  • @kshinclair2548
    @kshinclair2548 3 роки тому +1

    I always got this tight nostalgic pain in my chest every time someone show wc3 dota videos

  • @necromancer8478
    @necromancer8478 3 роки тому

    good to have you back !!

  • @nightshadehelis9821
    @nightshadehelis9821 2 роки тому

    Anyone else remember when Priestess of the Moon was a new hero? Her ultimate at the time was hilarious. She would charge an enemy like SB and you had no control until the enemy died. Basically, people would notice they were being charged and TP to base, which guaranteed you would die.

  • @crumbie9919
    @crumbie9919 3 роки тому +3

    I remember the days when I first started playing dota1 and against sandking. We were just waiting to die when he ultied not knowing that we can cancel it before he can start. =(

  • @mochammadfuadhakim7731
    @mochammadfuadhakim7731 3 роки тому +2

    Yes sand king my number 1 hero , i didnt get a lot of win with this guy but had a lot of fun playing it

  • @howlingdawn4k
    @howlingdawn4k 3 роки тому +1

    You forgot the biggest buff of all time that Valve made his ult from channeling to normal ability thay you cam cancel before casting like SF’s requiem

  • @MegaTeddybearTan
    @MegaTeddybearTan 3 роки тому

    Entrench had this cool bug that if you died while burrowed you could then cast all your spells while underground meaning you can stealth cast burrowstrike and epicenger

  • @eskeleto702
    @eskeleto702 3 роки тому

    Another cool little trick back in the Entrench days of the Sand King was, Entrench in front of a tower and die. You can Entrench and melee hit creeps and heroes whenever you want.

  • @bonneil2506
    @bonneil2506 3 роки тому +1

    YOU'RE BACK!!! YOU'RE FINALLY BAAAACK!!! ♥️♥️♥️

  • @angryhobo212
    @angryhobo212 3 роки тому +1

    Oh my god I'm early! These videos are the best, you're a legend

  • @StayVCA98
    @StayVCA98 3 роки тому +6

    Yehey we missed this 😭 Thank You Mr. Dennis for making the time and effort in creating these vids!!

  • @nathanlamaire
    @nathanlamaire 3 роки тому

    I love the channel that also takes ports of bootlegs/neighbor games into the history.

  • @BruhMeme85
    @BruhMeme85 3 роки тому +2

    died when dennis said that Riot invented scorpions

  • @AccipiterSmith
    @AccipiterSmith 3 роки тому +1

    You have returned. And i also miss playing DOTA 2, its been a year since i stopped playing it due to pandemic.

  • @uzainizarizi9728
    @uzainizarizi9728 3 роки тому +2

    One of my favorite hero responses in the game.

  • @savagekruger77
    @savagekruger77 Рік тому

    Sand King was the first dota hero where I finally got a solo kill (against an AI of course), he was also the hero I was using back then when I learned how to build items (after buying recipes), specifically the battle fury where it was perse + claymore + mith hammer. Impale then channel epicenter was so satisfying and it ensures a level 6 kill LMAO

  • @pzhda
    @pzhda 2 роки тому +1

    The first time I played sand king I was literally like: This hero should be a meta nuker why is it not
    About 80k damage in every game ever since

  • @YuvrajSingh-hl2dv
    @YuvrajSingh-hl2dv 3 роки тому

    good to see you back

  • @kemexX
    @kemexX 3 роки тому

    YES!! Dude i miss you so much

  • @GLIEPNIR
    @GLIEPNIR 3 роки тому

    Oh wow... He's alive? Well damn... Welcome back dude.

  • @fireattack1
    @fireattack1 3 роки тому +5

    For the Heroes of the Storm, probably should mention that Earthquake was Thrall (Far Seer)'s original ultimate in War3, predating Dota or Sand King.
    The way you worded it sounds like they copied Sand King.

  • @loganmyall660
    @loganmyall660 2 роки тому

    I looked at undying old abilities thinking about his old ult and the things that have happened to him are really weird. For instance he had necros heartstopper aura for a while. I would love to see a video on him or something lmao

  • @johncarlosayo830
    @johncarlosayo830 3 роки тому

    Here in the Philippines you would always here someone shout "Stun Epi, Stun Epi" on computer shop back in DOTA 1 days.

  • @qwerdf12
    @qwerdf12 3 роки тому

    youre vids makes me so happy! thank you!

  • @faaiznazzun1525
    @faaiznazzun1525 3 роки тому

    Reworked Scepter that caused Caustic Finale apply to every Hero hit even to illusion and that was nightmare on illusion Hero. I remember on pub game Sandking with Scepter can wipeout PL illusion army with just 1 burrowstrike. Suddenly become counter for illusion Hero. Miss that day, lol

  • @LeoZoro13
    @LeoZoro13 3 роки тому

    I enjoy all of ur videos so much.
    Ur awesome dude

  • @haniefknight
    @haniefknight 3 роки тому +1

    perfect time for me, because im still running leveling every dota2 heros to lvl 5 , now my sand king still in lvl 3... it sufffering so much when use sandking in the begining.. but as my experience using sand king, increase.. i feel happy because this hero is good, and a good things is i dont needboots/shoes for this hero,,, just want to enemy come closer to activate the ultimate epicenter

  • @phukewe4730
    @phukewe4730 3 роки тому

    Wow that trogdor the burnitor reference in the voiceline just sent me back to 2004

  • @Kexoms
    @Kexoms 3 роки тому

    Something you didn't mention was that his ultimate became cast point from channeling and that his new set of talent made him funky

  • @manuelmarce2544
    @manuelmarce2544 3 роки тому

    Who among you here remember when SK back in WC3 days can use a pseudo Impale when you click the Burrowstrike in his portrait?

  • @crumbs7826
    @crumbs7826 3 роки тому

    Looks like someone remembered what their password is.
    Amazing work.

  • @uzundeprem5743
    @uzundeprem5743 3 роки тому

    I love this series so much man

  • @mohammadsaddam4560
    @mohammadsaddam4560 2 роки тому

    Damn, sand king is my first ever DotA main. The first time i know the concept of initiator i feel like a playmaker

  • @jfaker214
    @jfaker214 2 роки тому

    Id love to see one of these on Undying. I remember him being a completely different hero way back and he was an insane pusher and laner. You'd go Offlane UD and you'd have T2 towers by like 15 minutes and could just 1v1 almost any hero

  • @evilereye
    @evilereye 3 роки тому

    Sand Kings inspiration might come from George R.R Martins Sandkings short story. Some of the skills and the look do resemble the sandkings in the Outer Limits episode which was made of the based on the story.

  • @sussusamogus7831
    @sussusamogus7831 3 роки тому

    Yo man do you mind telling me the name of the toy at the bottom right at 0:18? Would really love to get one

  • @ksamp7531
    @ksamp7531 3 роки тому

    Been a while, welcome back

  • @oscara1573
    @oscara1573 2 роки тому

    One of my favorite heroes, my first rampage was with crixalis

  • @tacogodboomdogg
    @tacogodboomdogg 3 роки тому +3

    A change I would make is remove current shard ability and make shard upgrade make enemy vision reduce by 80% while in sandstorm.

    • @gunduznagyev6154
      @gunduznagyev6154 2 роки тому

      that's great idea !. and logically that's true. in sandstorm you can't see everythinh normally. eyes gonna full of sand eventually you will become like blind.

    • @mojtabarezaei4333
      @mojtabarezaei4333 2 роки тому

      Omg you spoke true science,
      Yes that would be great to see, actually sand strom should be the most fenomenal spell as it's sandkings home.

  • @H1ghscor3
    @H1ghscor3 3 роки тому

    you forgot to mention the epicenter buff, You can't press stop before because it will be on cool down. Now you can cancel it anytime if you are hesitating to use it.

  • @karuiGaming
    @karuiGaming 3 роки тому +1

    Return of the King!

  • @jrbg4174
    @jrbg4174 3 роки тому

    THANK GOD! A NEW UPLOAD

  • @azugrem
    @azugrem 3 роки тому

    I was caught off guard when a vanguard card popped up on screen at 9:57 hahah didn't know you played vanguard

  • @lightofheaven4381
    @lightofheaven4381 3 роки тому +1

    Great video as always
    Hope you will also do a history about visage, he's just the most peculiar hero in DOTA

  • @endlessfox7986
    @endlessfox7986 3 роки тому +1

    we back

  • @WritingWithAli
    @WritingWithAli 2 роки тому

    Thanks for this vedio, Crixalis is my fav hero

  • @Zipfile6
    @Zipfile6 3 роки тому +2

    Delicious. Finally, some good f****** content.

  • @majdalmohanna3038
    @majdalmohanna3038 3 роки тому

    We need more of this

  • @santivergniaud7816
    @santivergniaud7816 3 роки тому

    original sand trail really looks like singed most known ability poison trail

  • @titaniumtrain
    @titaniumtrain 3 роки тому

    0:58 name of the song?

  • @kholi9441
    @kholi9441 3 роки тому

    SK's ult back in DotA 1 was too OP.

  • @JoNarDLoLz
    @JoNarDLoLz 3 роки тому

    Man, I remember back in the day, Sand King was picked a lot on pubs. I barely see them anymore :(

  • @ChrisX_212
    @ChrisX_212 3 роки тому

    Dota would later implement Rammus' rolling skill in Pangolier's ult. Just saying, once the Warcraft 3 era is over, they're free to take tips from other MOBAs.
    Anyway, I think I'd be VERY interested to see a video about Sven, my favorite hero (and often called manliest hero in Dota). I'd love to see how he evolves throughout the time. I still remember those good times his quotations are riffed with "Sven is here to pump you up!" (Which also made it to one patch note later)

  • @Terrgore
    @Terrgore 3 роки тому

    Thrall's Earthquake ability from HoTS seems more based on his ultimate from Warcraft 3. In fact, the whole ultimate of this character is :)))

  • @myomaru817
    @myomaru817 3 роки тому

    Loving the translation "Craigslist the sad king"

  • @fja3omega
    @fja3omega 3 роки тому

    One of my fave heroes. Dust trail rocked.

  • @happybalint
    @happybalint 3 роки тому

    I thought you would mention Tristana as well, she has something similar to Caustic Finale

  • @Mathghamhan
    @Mathghamhan 3 роки тому

    I’m a scrub - but the biggest change for me is the ult cooldown not resetting when interrupted. That part of his kit always turned me off - since that change he’s become my most played hero.

  • @GearDiego23
    @GearDiego23 3 роки тому

    Missed you my man

  • @sammehlberg6664
    @sammehlberg6664 3 роки тому

    Ah the bad old days. When caustic finale had to be the last hit to work

  • @Ludo302
    @Ludo302 3 роки тому

    Would have been worth noting that when SK first came out in HoN, his stun duration was longer than his ultimate animation. I think it lasted for a solid like 48 hours before it got nerfed.