No-fail Drum Recording - Any Kit, Any Room, Any Genre
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- Опубліковано 14 тра 2019
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I set out to develop a drum recording method that always works. You can adapt it for any size drum kit, any room, and any genre.
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Dude, your shit is criminally underviewed, I hope you blow up at some point, I love your emphasis on holistic listening, sonic texture, and overall vibe. For my own part, what I love about x/y is that it never actually sounds 'wide', the capsules are just too close for that. But what it lacks in "SUCH WIDE SO DRAMA" it makes up for in punch, focus, and total phase coherence. And it strikes a cool balance because it has a mono vibe, but with the depth and 'windowpane' effect of stereo.
Keep on keepin' on!
Wow, thanks for such a cool comment.
my two favorite audio channels, Mix Jesus and Locs-4-Drums, meet in this comment. My life is complete.
I also bought Ryan's drum course and it's worth way more than the $17.
I totally agree! I've learned a lot from this channel. No B.S. Keeps it fun but always thorough and exhaustive too! Great instructor! House of Kush also though too!! You guys really have made the last 7 years of my recording journey worth it because there really are a lot of distractions and misinformation but I have never been given the bum steer by either of you fellows and always feel energized and refreshed with the knowledge that you share. Inspired!
I record the choir. XY approach is the same. I never was happy enough while using AB... Only XY gives me feeling I'm making a kind of photo of the choir. All the image in one shoot.
This is without a doubt, one of the best videos I've ever watched about recording drums.
Thanks so much!
Got my thumbs up and sub from this vid. Always loved a 3 mic set up as it sounds more natural. Never was happy with my current set up as the floor tom was always too thin sounding, now I know what to try, thank you!
@@GrooveIsNow where/what is the third mic?
Dude, videos like this should have a nobel prize or something... You only need a bassdrum mic and i bet you get a full drum stem. Thank you from the bottom of my gear.
That's recording engineering.
Thanks! I worked hard on this one!
Been following you for a while now, I love how you've improved the quality and content of your videos! It's great to see a recording artist fully commited to sharing his knowledge.
THANK YOU for taking the time and effort to explain AND demonstrate exactly what you're talking about. this is a great channel for that reason. keep it up my man :) :)
This has become my go-to overhead setup after much trial and error. No phase issues whatsoever and you always get a really strong center image, which makes the drums sound more natural than really wide panning. I had never thought to try moving closer to the floor tom and rotating the XY setup to get better tom balance. I always learn something new in your videos!
Thanks John. You can use all three or just one of the methods to get the sound.
Have been watching your videos and using many of your tips for the past 2 years! And they get better and better! Thanks for sharing your knowledge 🙂🙂
I know I’m two years behind here, and I hadn’t seen one of your videos in a while but all of that - the stereo bar, the graphics on picturing how it splits the stereo image while keeping the snare centered…just the best drum recording video I’ve ever seen, and I’ve seen a lot! Going to see if your drum recording courses are still available because you deserve it.
I've watched a lot of drum recording videos....I'm fairly new at recording drums....and this helped me with overheads like no other video that I've seen! Thanks for providing such great content!
It never ceases to amaze me what can be done with 1 or 2 mics, a well-tuned kit, and some judicious processing. Great ideas here.
Thanks Philip and glad you liked the video!
Great natural sounding kit
Dude! I just stumbled upon this technique a couple of weeks ago, trying to get the most of a xy setup. Now it's becoming my go-to OH mic technique!
As a long time viewer, great video!!
Great information Ryan! I find especially that the graphics are really helping me to understand the concepts and to clarify them. Saving a lot of headaches when learning how mic a drum set and to get a good basic sound. Sounds excellent to say the least! Hard to believe that there were no additional mics on either the snare or bass drum in the recording. It really shows, at least to me, how important mic placements are.
That was fantastic. You have such a great way of explaining things man 🙏
I've been recording vocals and midrange instruments a lot over the past few years, but it'll be my first time recording drums on location this weekend. This video has been massively helpful. Thank you!
I'm a little late to the channel. This channel is a gold mine of incredible and helpful information. Really helps open up several different perceptions for what can be done. Great content, bro.
Thanks Ryan this is definitely a idea I will have to do and one less mic stand needed for my drums setup looks like a winner all round
You, my friend, are a knowledgeable and excellent teacher on recording. I have watched a few vids of you, and am very impressed. I want to start recording my drumming, but I have a large double bass kit, I have low ceilings, and zero equipment for recording. I have been researching what to get that won't cost a fortune as I am just a hobby drummer. But using the overheads, and maybe getting my bass drums and snare mic'd, will hopefully be enough to get a decent recording as I can't really mic a 12 piece kit unless I get some advanced ($$$) gear. I wish I could pick your brain, but your videos will have to do! Awesome stuff, thanks.
Thanks for the inspiration. I did this with a pair of sm57 unidyne 3. Sounds so killer on some stoner metal drum tracks. I put a d112 on the batter side by the beater. It really helped to round out the sound by picking up some under snare and lots of attack from the kick drum.
When I do expand my drum mics (currently one mono) I will be getting a stereo bar and boom stand and will probably have no choice anyways but to place it in one of these configurations. Very reassuring, wonderful video as always!
This is a fantastic video.
I think the hardest part of recording is understand which things we can "tweak" to change the sound. Breaking this down by height, angle and width is fantastic, since that's a simple enough framework that I can use it to help dial in a specific recording.
Your drum kit sounds amazing from every angle
Wow this is incredible advice, great video as always Ryan
Fantastic. You make the seeming tedium of recording so much more interesting and purposeful. You make the simplest of concepts really CLICK with great audio examples and sharp editing to your videos. Love it!
Thanks! I work hard at it.
wow thanks so much for this - gonna try it tonight, really excited!
I really can't get enough of your videos. SO INTERESTING!
Thanks so much! What should I make a video about next?
This is great! Such a useful reference to revisit as needed.
This is just so helpful and invaluable information. Thanks !!!
Such a great video man! Thanks very much, love your work!
You have your room and kit dialed in! Tuning Sounds killer!!
Absolutely stellar demo! You've made it super clear how to approach the technique. No B.S. here folks! Take note.
Brilliant organic tone ... probably all they used at Motown...sounds great
Wow! This is an even better video than your previous instruction on how to record acoustic guitar with two cheap mics. And that video was already incredible! Thanks a bunch!
Thanks so much! I’ve done a lot of testing for the videos and my courses so there’s a lot to talk about.
Great stuff as usual... but man!! Those Standards look and sound amazing!!
Ryan, thank you for what you do.
Very useful information. Nice video. Thanks !
I'm a huge proponent of the less is more. I think you without a doubt have proved it with really great sounding drums. Sonically everything feels balanced to me and has a great phase relationship. I don't know if this will work in every style, but, I think for a lot of styles it can. I wish more people used less mics.
Very happy with the sound I get with one mic but am definitely going to give this a go, thank you Ryan!
Very cool glad this inspired you!
This was excellent, really appreciated the graphics too.
I gotta say, the best mic placement I've ever had was this configuration. The sound of my drums was so good, it looked bigger than it really was needed. But with a few tweaks with the sound guy, it was perfect, and as far as I can go, this will always be my configuration of mics! And this video is so helpful not just for drummers, but also for sound engineers, etc! Thanks for this!
Glad this video was helpful!
I fight with people all the time over this. You can get excellent drums with an overhead pair, kik mic and a room mic. Great job!
Sounds great! Will try that on a 4 track for a Black Metal project. Thanks for the ino!
Just wanted to send a huge Thank you for what you do here on UA-cam. I have applied some of your drum miking techniques and got some great results! Keep up the great work my friend!
Thanks and glad you got a lot of of my videos!
@@creativesoundlab Oh? Wanted to ask if you have a Patreon?
Excellent, clearly demonstrated info.
Incredible information. Clear and precise!
This is seriously invaluable information. Thank you SO much.
Your welcome Cole and glad it helped!
I’ve really been digging into this topic on my own too. Truthfully I spent years giving minimal thought to overhead mic technique. But xy pencils on a good stand is truly the place to start!
Nice. Let me know if you check this out!
Nice coherent image. Very nice center with the snare like you were talking about in the vid. Widening and narrowing of the sound was really highlighted with your examples. That's what I'm missing is a nice pair of SDC mics. Hope to have some soon so we can do that with them. Thanks for the great video as usual Ryan!
Thanks Paul!
Great tutorial, thanks for the tip. I'm excited to try this out in the studio.
Sweet let me know how it works out.
Hello! Your videos are absolutely great. Thank you for doing them. I’m learning so much. My question is are the Soyuz mics tube or FET?
I arrived at something vaguely similar in my crappy drum room, I use a pair of KSM137 in "narrow ORTF." It's not a real pattern but I like the image that it gives. I think I saw Ulf does the same thing in one of his videos. I did XY for a while too. And "recorderman" on some past projects. I have come to be mildly passionate about a good set of small diaphragm mics over drums. This video is great it gave me some new ideas I will try. I think George Massenburg did a video of similar concepts about a spaced pair of SDC. The concepts are the same but I think you went a little further in this video.
I bought the course, it's great and I highly recommend it guys, it's worth 100 times more than the price. Thanks!!
Thank you Robert!
Gonna use this at a session I'm doing soon for a quick demo but add in kick and snare mics , thanks bud from birmingham uk
Great and let me know how it works out. This was just the overheads. Add in the close mics and use the planning of what you get with your OH to help you pan the toms etc. then go wider if you want.
I just started using this method and I'm sticking with it for a few reasons.#1,less mic stands to futz around with,#2 great for my 3pc bop kit#3,tried the Glyn John's techniche(royal pain to setup).All I need is 3 mic's(bass kick,2xy mic overheads and its quick setup and mixdowns baby!!🗽📼
Found this video, liked it a lot. Would love a video where you use a third mic for getting some low end.
This is brilliant. My room has a short ceiling height and full mics get messy with phase and bleed. Definately worth a try! Thank you.
Sure Darrin. Let me know how it works out. You’ll want to stay low with the mics which means you may be wider than you want. If so then go over the ride to fine tune the width. Also the xy could possibly mean that ceiling treatment might be able to be concentrated over the pair vs with spaced pair.
No one gonna mention how great that Tegeler Audio Manufaktur Creme sounded on those OHs? Knew it was great on a mix bus but this just proved how versatile it can be! Great video.
Extremely useful video!! Thanx!! 😃👍
Thank you for this! I’ve been anxious about eventually buying a mic set for my drums, since it can be so overwhelming. I’m going to try this technique with my Zoom H4n, which has an XY pattern.
Nice. Yeah just experiment and you’ll find the right sound.
This is a great video. You should make one about how to record dry drums and get them to have depth.
This was mind blowing, thank you for sharing this great advice. Was curious are the mics you’re using tube or FET?
wow, this is so helpful.great video.
Awesome video, great explanation!
I just bought the course. Thanks for the help
Thank you man!
Love your videos, I'm gonna buy the course
Thanks so much man. You rock and I can only do this because of the courses.
Thank you so much for this video!!
Good shit, man. Gotta love that drummer tongue too. I probably had to work harder on getting rid of that than my actual drumming technique.
Yeah totally. I can’t get rid of the tongue no matter how hard I try.
Great video, many thanks 🙏
Remarkably good. Now to try and test out this technique on my next song. I might add one under the snare for a bit of flavour, just to see.
Nice! Let me know how it turns out!
Awesome! This is freaking nuts good
Absolutely sublime... Well done mate !
Thanks Cujo!
Just brilliant!!! Thanks.
You weren't kidding man that's a great drum sound
Thanks so much! The compression really helps to give it that sound.
Great video! Tried this technique out yesterday with good results. Quick question: what mic stand are you using?
Another great video!
dude! another great video! makes me want tot try XY on overheads (always use spaced pair, ortf or blumlein)
Yeah Frank, totally. You could actually use these ideas as long as you have a stereo bar that lets you move both mics together.
Well done & great, precise info, man!!! Thanks :-)
Thanks!
You sir are awesome! Thank you for this and all your videos! \m/
love it, Ryan, amazing one
Thanks Yashir! This was covering some of the territory of one of my courses...I think I mentioned it in the video. But anyways, it's some deep stuff that I spent a lot of time testing and thinking about. Glad it helps!
Really great stuff, as usual!
Thanks!
Nice work thanks for the above view also.
Thanks for the video man.
Great tips!
Interesting - the toms were wider coming in the "narrower" position, but the cymbals were narrower. The cymbals were wider in the over the tom, but the rack tom became much more centered. Cool video.
"The kick will sit wherever it wants" :-) Good one!!!
Great video, thank you, subscribed. Would you typically still use kick, snare and tom mics with this setup?
One of the most useful drum recording videos I've seen. I'm going to buy the course as you always cover useful things. Out of curiosity when you record a stereo pair do you level match the preamps and record as a stereo track or just record them seperately as two mono tracks?
I record as two mono tracks. I just like to hard pan two tracks and it gives me control if I need to lower one side slightly of the snare isn’t centered. Sometimes it happens! Nobody’s perfect. Also when exporting tracks it’s nice to have a bunch of mini tracks for a song rather than have to group a few stereo tracks and then export the rest as mono.
You nailed it !
This is priceless, thank you
For beginning youtubers with a low budget or little to no mix experience buying an X-Y portable recorder like a Zoom H4 and using this set of positions gets you off the ground so quickly to making reasonable quality content
Just so you know, I watched this full screen, lying in bed on my back, with my laptop sitting on the end of my nose.
ditto
Good stuff man!👍
I actually already use the overhead placement over the ride directed at the snare. I prefer the tighter/narrower sound. Gives panned guitars more space. May play with the rotation next time.
Ryan, I have an idea for a video. What about the sound differences between matching and non-matching stereo pairs? There is no video on the sound comparison. Do they really sound so different or are the capsules close enough to get away with? Like a pair on non-matching akg c?14's (or/and) some small diaphrams on overheads or other sources.. This would be very interesting. Keep up the good work brotha! Thanks for all the helpful vids! SERIOUSLY!!!
Great video!! This is the second video of yours where the Soyuz mics have pretty much blown me away. Dammit. Now I’m gonna have to go buy a pair.
Haha yeah those 013s are great. I don’t know why they sound so big either.
Creative Sound Lab - curious, do you recall what factors lead to you choosing these vs the other mics in a similar price range; Neumann K184s; Telefunken m60; Beyer mc930; Miktek C5s. Kinda where I’m at. These seem to have a lot of low end, transient detail and impact, and a nice top end, without sounding overly hard or harsh. I’ve been using a pair of 4041s for a long time and they’re really decent mics, but I often find them to be a bit strident. Never an issue where I can’t make a record, but just looking for some new tools. Seems like I always like things that have a bit more of a flattering character such that they sound like a record on the way in.
Btw I really appreciate the amazing job you do of exploring recording techniques in detail. So much of what’s out there doesn’t talk about the principles behind mic selection and placement choices. Bravo!! I’ve been at this for many years but continually find useful info on your channel. I wish your channel was around when I started!! Keep up the good work sir!
Appreciate this. Many thanks.
Sounds Awesome!
I have that Rode stereo bar, I love it!
Yes so simple and light
Great content! 👍
Great video!