John Deere caught sabotaging competitors & customers LIVE on recording - and they're PROUD of it!
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:18 - An analogy to this situation
00:47 - If Microsoft did this in 2001, what would've happened?
02:02 - Today's news
02:49 - Kevin shows his hardware at dakotafest farm show
03:22 - Rumor was that John Deere was going to sabotage his equipment
04:01 - Kevin talks to C&B Operations John Deere dealer representative
05:36 - THE PUNCHLINE OF THIS ENTIRE VIDEO, if you listen to anything, click here
06:03 - He admits to Deere sabotaging competing products
06:28 - He doubles down on it
06:43 - Kevin Kenney Chris Hansens him
07:40 - Why say this out loud??
08:47 - My work
Where is the line? If I put in 100s of millions of dollars in R&D and someone comes in and starts piggybacking off of my work, am I liable? There is Trimble, FJ and other GPS operating systems, why not build a system around them?
The line is when I pay $500000 for my personal property and you push an update to it that disables it from working with gear of my choosing.
@@rossmanngroup so if you could opt out of the update would that solve the problem?
I work as a farm hand and service technician running and repairing Deere equipment. Updates aren't forced as far as I know. The 2630 display notifies the operator about available updates every time you power it on. I have had to manually check for updates on the 4600 display before, but that doesn't exactly mean it doesn't check for and install updates in the background.
So John Deere isn't piggy backing off the billions of dollars the US Government and taxpayers have invested in GPS satellites and technology?
the update should not prevent third party devices much like updating my windows os should not brick my computer from using other web browsers.
Is that clear to you?
Watch John Deere now say that the opinions of John Deere employees don't represent the opinion of John Deere.
"A third party contractor made statements that do not reflect the internal values of John Deere"
And then continues doing the same practices.
Of course they're going to say that. Also, if this gets any traction, that trade show rep is fired if he isn't already.
They have not only mastered the art of lying and fear mongering, when against the ropes they are quite adept at creating plausible deniability as well. Slimy people/companies all react the same in these situations.
Of course the opinions of John Deere employees don't represent opinions of John Deere. That is because John Deere has much more deplorable, ugly, disgusting and inhuman opinions than his employees.
As a previous JD Dealership employee… i’ll just say i love my scag mower and would rather buy a kubota tractor
@@barms9768 If you at the same situation, wouldn't you do the same? I mean I get it, My opinion is that John Deere is POS. But... when you have family to feed and you already in the middle of your business progress that seemingly against others, what you gonna do? Did you sacrifice your family's future and possible divorce if your business getting dropped like hell, or just do the same just like any other who gets caught, deny everything?
They’re guilty like a Deere caught in headlights 🥁
lol. I wouldn't stop or slow down, I'd speed up.
Yo crossover episode
Chocolate rain
TShirtHell has a nice "Nothing runs like a _eere" shirt.
lol
"The views and opinions expressed are those of the authors and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of John Deere" -John Deere
Evercare doctors in Brisbane Australia . 45 bucks a month subscription service for a doctor. Here we go.
Subscriptions are the same model as a drug dealer uses.
An old mobile phone will tell you where you are...
Then it's working out what data you would like to know and having sensors feeding a laptop.
Is there any freeware or shareware you can contribute to?
This is exactly what I think they will come out and say
Linguistic shenanigans. If the opinions of the employees end up being the company policies they are indeed the policy’s and positions of John Deere. However as a general statement “The views and opinions…” cop out is still true as a general statement.
With a ton put on necessarily. Once Deere was a honoroble company. Today it's a den of psychopaths.
I am very alarmed how little we use our anti trust laws
we use our anti distrust laws
It’s because politicians are paid off
Deere's internal response to this will not be to stop being anti-competitive. It will be to train their dealers to be better liars. No way that's not how they proceed. Which should tell you everything you need to know about modern corporate business practices.
It's ancient the god Hermes
That ain't "modern corporate practices"...... this has been going on for decades!
@@320iSTWEdition They aren't lying, it's just modern corporate practices! /s
@@RockinRobbins13 What? You make no sense, stop taking drugs.... i NEVER even MENTIONED the word "lie"!
@@320iSTWEdition /s means sarcasm. They were agreeing with you if I understand correctly :)
John Deere is going to disavow and say that the statement by the guy at the booth doesn't represent their position then pivot to the exact language you outlined that they should have used in this video.
Can't un-ring the bell, though. When JD breaks interop in the next update, it's no longer "pure paranoia" that it was done intentionally.
And not only might this empower a friendly AG to subpoena their internal communications, but it might motivate (or shame) lawmakers to pass more stringent interoperability regulations.
@@GSBarlev It's almost a shame the FDA doesn't have engineers on call that work as moles for them, give them a protective statute of law that makes them untouchable by deers civil suits when they snitch on them after working a year or two as said mole for them and boom, they are caught so red handed their proverbial knife is still sticking in the victims back, with their hand on the handle.
@@EnraEnerato If the proper authorities actually cared, they'd all follow the various Labor Boards who have hatchetmen inside of suspect companies.
It worked fairly well
@@hawkticus_history_corner Well we know how the current FDA is run, no? Because I'm sure Louis has done more then enough reports on this matter...
@@EnraEnerato they don't need spies. Lots of engineers and people working for these companies would be happy to spit roast them, as long as they received protection from retaliation. The problem is if you do that every company in the US owned by the billionaires who are yacht buddies with those behind JD will destroy your career. You'll find magically all HR software automatically removes applications. Who are you going to audit? The HR AI program? Hah.
If there was competition in the US this wouldn't happen. If there was antitrust it wouldn't happen. If there were real whistlblower protections this wouldnt happen. The US has a LONG way to go to unwind what oligarchs have done.
It's really about time the people of the US stop playing rigged games and purge the system, in a simple way. Confiscate all money and assets from any person or corporation that exceeds 100 million in value, redistribute all of it equally to every citizen by SSN.
The billionaires always claim they can make it back anyway because they are so much better than everyone else.
Treason with life imprisonment for any attempts to hide money or flee the country to evade this legislation. Zero tolerance.
John Deere is not a company that exists to help farmers do their job, that's just a side effect of selling tractors that they'd probably love to get rid of if they could. John Deere is just a company that separates farmers from their money at any cost. Remember when companies actually competed on having the best product for the best price? I miss those times, thank you for doing your part to bringing it back.
If farmers have high bills, not only do we risk losing them, and food security, the price of all food goes up for everyone. Farmers are the backbone of humanity.
Not only that agriculture and civilization have been hand in hand since the dawn of humanity. It is when farmers began growing surplus food consistently that modern society was able to form.
I'm not trying to disagree entirely, but 20% of our is exported, nearly half of all corn that's produced is for ethanol, and 40% of the food that stays in America is wasted.
I don't think we will have much food security problems, but I completely agree farmer's are important and that's part of why they are so heavily subsidized here in the states.
@@hunterham9414that’s a sign of abundance. The fact that you were able to make that response that I’m responding to requires a computational device that requires a number of components I can’t even name requires people who’s job isn’t food production. Just a simple observation.
(To clarify I’m agreeing with you, just irritated from the mess I just heard)
@@thedodorex7612 right, I'm just saying if 50% of our production was cut, we'd still have enough food. I'm not trying to undercut the importance of farms. Small farms are just as important as large, and they both should be protected, as it does very much trickle down to everyone, esp people who can barely afford food now. OP just made it sound, to me, that if a few farms were lost we'd be in big trouble which I don't think is true.
Save for a couple nickels or so, farmers get about the same money for their milk as they did in the 80s.
I grew up next to a dairy farm and that's been a craw in their side for 40yrs.
Who would've thought a New York City boy would be one of the biggest supporters of the farmers. It shows that people of different backgrounds can come together to fight against the wrongs of the world.
Supporting farmers is kind of a no-brainer. These people grow your food and I personally don't like starving.
For techies, it's a matter of having had to deal with this for years in our own industry (if not as badly given that we're more informed to push back), and this sort of thing happening anywhere is seen as a threat to our ability to truly own the tools of our trade.
NAND flash is witchcraft to most people, but cars, tractors and farming is at least somewhat more relatable for the public.
@@Cymes
Also, they have it hard as is. I may not agree politically with typical farmers being a city boy, but we can at least agree that if we brought it with our money, it is ours, and not some company's. If Mojang wants to dictate what is in the server I host on my hardware, they better subsidize my operating costs for the trouble
What happens in one indusry often bleeds over into another. And people who know/work with computers often have the best platform to voice their concerns because they are comfortable using the tools of cyberspace.
It's actually SUPER common for criminals to brag about their crimes and how they got away with it.
I heard it's one of the main reasons criminals get "caught" at all in many cases.
It's human nature.
I agree. There are all kinds of crimes that have been recorded using cell phone cameras and posted on Facebook and other social media. Some people just crave attention above all else.
*"WE LIED, WE CHEATED, WE STOLE" - Mike Pompeo*
Where's the crime?
@@FatfighterXD1 deliberately applying changes for the sole reason of sabotaging competitors products, if it isnt illegal already, it should be ( if proven, like all crimes)
Yeah.. Reminds me of those dumb rappers who snitch on themselves on stage and get arrested afterwards LOL
I love how the “I hope you learned something today” is like a direct statement to John Deere lol. Absolutely perfect delivery.
I grew up farming and John Deere was a respected brand that people were loyal to. Now, I'm a university professor teaching business technology, information assurance, data science etc. and they are completely corrupt. Wow, how things change. We need open-source and access to their APIs. The user community will create better solutions than they ever would.
Re university / corruption
These things are not learned on a farm. Lol. Peace ~
Howdy! I work with Open Source™, and unfortunately, it will not help. Initially, there will be openness; but it always ends up devolving into a fork-fight with an open-core-going-closed model. It's not the license's fault, as it only kicks in for the briefest of moments during the transfer/act of copying. Once that's over with, the license vanishes into a poof of smoke, and all you have remaining is "No warranty expressed or implied."
Not saying proprietary software is any better -- but what we actually need goes beyond just API and ABI, but into proper open-access, published, international specifications definition via a standards body like IEEE. The Standards Track process is what has kept the internet from falling apart into a lawless graveyard of geocities clones. Open source™ has it's place in protecting consumer rights; but until the license obligations are actually tested in a courtroom and result in a snowballing of case records that can be applied to other courtroom brawls, it's teeth are blunted. FOSS brings freedom, both libre and gratis, but that gratis part is the most problematic if nobody wants to scratch the itch without getting paid for it.
They legally have to make their software open source, because it includes GNU licensed software.
@@mobilityproject3485 Ah, no, that's *not* how that works. They would have to if they *linked* to GPLv3 licensed libraries, but merely being distributed alongside existing GPL resources does not invoke the virality of the GPL, nor force any closed software to be opened. Again, the GPL only kicks in for the briefest of moments during transfer, then vanishes. It's not a USAGE license. It's a redistribution license.
@@mobilityproject3485If the software has a copyleft license, yes
Willing to bet JD is going to pull an HP and say "That employee at the booth representing us doesnt represent us."
that's what on another thread I posted. HP got sued because of the "HP employee are his/her own opinions" defense. That don't fly.
sadly. It's an easy case to make.. the sales guy is clearly just saying what he has seen them do, he's not privvy to actual knowledge that they do it.
I don't get the excitement over 'catching' a sales guy spout something off. I mean it's maybe a nice clip for selling for RTR legislation, but legally I don't see how it could be used, but I'm NAL so idk.
I don't know how I feel about the one thing I know it will do, which is ruin that sales guy's career... on the one hand he has no qualms working for a scummy company. On the other, his entire industry is working for scummy companies and he would have to gimp his entire career to avoid it. That's like being an engineer trying to avoid anything related to military... it's almost literally impossible.
@@craigslist6988 "sounds like a sales guy" Exactly. This is a complete nothingburger. Salespeople occasionally deride their employer to sell their products. It builds rapport between them and the customer, because the customer feels like he's getting "insider information" to guide his decision making.
"antitrust doesn't exist anymore" is what I said just hours ago wondering the same thing. Back in the IE days, this shit was considered completely unacceptable and now no one bats an eye.
It's not no one care. But no one have energy to care. Do you have energy to complain on bug corporate, whenever work double triple shift and barely cover your rent??
@@ribertfranhanreagen9821masterfully said, and this is absolutely by design. You can't fight for what's right when it takes all your energy to simply survive.
It all depends on if someone can make a lot of money doing it. If not, they don’t bother.
Just imagine the future if this is not dealt with.
They disabled your airbags because the car detected a 3rd party set of roof racks.
I've been at these kind of tradeshows as an exhibitor, and I can tell you that demonstrations and loose lips are everywhere. This is a prime environment for getting the straight dope from somebody. So Louis, take my advice here, send a couple people to these tradeshows, OPE/AG and CES etc, and just get the info you need, because you can. This is by no means an isolated incident.
World Ag Expo in Tulare California is the largest Ag show in the world.
As always, being from Nebraska, i love how your movement is so multi faceted and how you didn’t stick only to computers. So awesome how you’ve affected Nebraska!
Here here! Fellow Nebraskan here
@@someone2130 awesome! I’m originally from Crete but live in Omaha.
Bennington, Nebraska here!
@@ABarbershopBarbercoming for you
@@derpzone7425 ???
Corporations, at their core, are PEOPLE.
We NEED to call these evil people out...
...by name....
in the same breath as we identify the company.
Otherwise these folks will have zero accountability for their despicable mindset.
i dont think calling people out actually matters, if all you do is call them out.
they'll just be like "Oh no, what a shame you hate us, too bad you have no options"
what we need is **action**
@@saturn5mtw567 it's a pipe dream but in theory you could call the individuals out and then other individuals could bleed them out by a thousand cuts. They go to get coffee and someone refuses to serve them, or if it's a starbucks and corporate insists they do, they take fifteen, twenty minutes to make it. When they go to hire personal staff like a driver, the drivers refuse because they take a risk of being found out to help this scumbag and then also get poor treatment by people.
The problem is we live in an international world and so someone can always avoid this kind of social justice because they don't live in one place with the same people anymore. And I'm not sure social justice is always the best... that's how racism and prejudice function. But there has to eventually be some level of societal justice allowed. There should be something where if 2/3 of the US votes for it someone can be imprisoned for crimes against the national interests.
@@saturn5mtw567 Thing is, they do have options. Both Kubota and AGCO (the company that now owns Allis-Chalmers and a bunch of other classic agricultural equipment brands) are far better about R2R than Deere. Not to mention, Kubota's newer tractors STILL use mostly mechanical components. My dad bought an LX2610 earlier this year and it still uses the same 3 cylinder mechanical indirect injection diesel engine they've used for decades. No SCR system (DEF), the only computerized component on it is the instrument cluster, it just works.
@@lsswappedcessnaGood information. Thanks!
@@lsswappedcessnathis needs to be at the top of every reply, stop talking about john deere and talk about companies that do what the farmers need. Stop thinking theres only one option when theres always something else.
We live in a world where aggressive salesmen have gone from lying to telling the truth.
It's shocking isn't it
Can we appreciate the fact that that John Deere employee was, for a moment, actually _honest_?
I bet he will be fired soon
Problem is he was just a sales person who will say anything to discourage a sale from a competitor. He didn’t sound too bright
The voice change of the John Deer dealer when he realized he got caught was just beautiful.
One thing I learned selling on a platform that EVERYTHING that I respond in kind, can and will be used against me by the buyer, and vice versa. That's why I have 100% feedback for years. My cousin is a business and tax atty. (one of his specialties) and one thing he knows: when you are in a conversation, ASSUME you are being recorded.
"I've never worked on a farm in my life. I've never seen a farm in my life. I can't even keep my own house plants alive. They die after three weeks, and if they don't Mr. Clinton eats them."
That was actually hilarious.
My dad grew up on a farm. He once told me,
"No matter how frustrating engineering sometimes gets, it's better than farming."
To be up front and honest I don’t often find a city boy I like or value! You sir are changing that horrible attitude of mine, thank you so very much for helping not just farmers but all of America! Please keep fighting and holding these corrupt people and companies accountable! God bless you!
Truth be told, the salesmen isn't wrong. When a normal person is in the C-suite, and they had an option to mitigate competition by pressing a button... Most people would press that button... We need support from the public to pass laws to stop normal people corrupted by power.
I'm not a farmer but I was shopping for a new riding lawnmower earlier this year and I just flat filtered out John Deere products when I was doing research. Lawnmowers aren't even affected by this crap (yet), but I'm not going to spend money with a company that acts like this.
Honestly, at this point, the cheaper lawnmowers are just as good and use off-the-shelf parts.
A few years ago, my parents ended up with three different riding lawnmowers, all of a very similar age, that were nearly identical under the hood. One of those was green. I think the steering linkage was a little different.
That's the way for people to make 'corporate' change fast - vote with your wallet - especially large farmers and contractors who are spending millions per year.
Its not enough to be not John Deere. You must be actively anti-John Deere. Proselytize to the masses and get a large group of people to support you. A single person cornering you in a mall is a creep. A grou pfo people with signs and well spoken words is a persuasive role.
Haha I'll rather just push my mower than fix the rider all the time... :)
As a 5th gen farmer, we run kubotas. Its a Japanese tractor, and they will sell us anything we need to fix the tractor. That green paint is 60% more expensive for the parts for equipment that operates the same. When the dealer is willing to help you stay in bussines, you buy more equipment from them.
Good to know not everyone is using John Deere. I am no farmer so I had to look up the statistics for my country of Sweden. It seems the Finish brand Valtra that bought up Volvo’s tractor division in the 80s used to be the biggest but John Deere is now the biggest with 27% of the market. Valtra is now second and after that it’s Massey Ferguson, New Holland, Fendt, Case IH, Claas, while Kubota is only at eight place. After that it’s Lovol, Deutz-Fahr, Branson, Zetor, McCormick so at least there seems to be plenty of choices for farmers. As a non farmer I’ve honestly never heard of anything but John Deere though except for Volvo BM that doesn’t exist anymore and Ford that also don’t seem to make tractors anymore. The only tractor I’ve ever driven was a Ford that a small farmer close to my grandpas house had and let me try.
Louis, you have my full recognition for being willing to defend consumers. Eventually, that investigative journalism will end up in front of an antitrust panel when they start caring about it again.
You're a dead set legend Louis. We need more people like you. Evil prevails when good men do nothing. And you ain't no good man... doing nothing!
So tired of what all these big corporations are doing. Their evil greed has no bounds and they act like people don't know they are secretly running everything from behind the curtain.
Or, ruining everything.
Shit like this is basically a threat to the nation.
But who cares? Let's sell our children's future for a quick payday.
They know. They just don't care. Nobody can get close enough to woodchipper them.
Corporations don't control the security services or the various federal para militaries not even mentioning the police and armed forces. The corporations are globalist pawns nothing more.
FUCK YEAH. I wish I could like this 10 times. Louis, I don't even live in the US (UK), but the work you are doing to support consumer rights will resonate with policy makers and increase awareness globally. From the bottom of my heart, Thank you for your tireless work in this field, you are truly making a difference, to people EVERYWHERE.
I love that I just told the john deer guy (to go fuck himself)🤣🤣🤣
Easy defense. He is a third party contractor who was not authorized to speak on behalf of Deere. He might as well have been talking to the janitor.
He is there working as a representation of the company... that confesion have a legitimate value in court and if Deere gonna make this move then the confesion will be priceless...
@@Bialy_1 Third party or not, his exact job was to speak for the company.
It's nice to see that their are still a lot of good people out there. Competition used to be a good thing, and this is a fine example of what it used to be like until the corruption caught up. What a shame.
Thank you for making Right to Repair a thing! I know it was a thing before but you're making sure it's known that it is a thing!
Based pfp though lul
@@lordmarshmal_0643 Excuse the lack of knowledge, what is pfp?
@@GetShwiftyInHereprofile picture
Yup you should 100% have the right to fix and repair anything you bought to basic functionality. The product lifetime enforcement is hot bull 💩
A lot of people often ask what my desired result is.
Report them for doing something illegal.
www.usa.gov/state-attorney-general
Suggestion: Add to the wiki a page that has all this info for each state so it's one click for users. I can help out something together. It's a tall order to tell someone to contact their state AG but simple if you give them the info they need up front
man, we have a nice day, sunshine and everything is going well, no reason to talk about that... sure wish i could go back 30 years and go through that again.
also, at least they didnt make a music video about it with a reese's coffee cup
Sneed's feed and seed.
God bless you, Rossman.
I think he wants to go back to making repair videos, but nobody really wants to watch that kind of stuff. I'd rather have my eyes forced open with toothpicks while being forced to watch screaming women give birth 24 hours a day than watch a repair video.
Stay angry my friend.... stay angry.
Now that you're in Texas...take a drive north and visit your 'brother from another mother'. Take your show one the road. Love what you do...keep it coming.
I love how confident the dealer was and Kenny hit him with that based Right to Repair mindset
the Rossman experience
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The legal status of corporations needs to end and reverted back to normal businesses that their owners are responsible for what they do.
You've taken very important steps to keep right to repair alive. What john deere has done to the agriculture industry is appalling, they need to be put in place. It's not enough that they are one of few manufacturers who make what they make, they've been forcing customers to pay for these subscriptions an updates, even making what should be a field repair a dealer only operation for decades.
As a farmer myself (we run mostly CaseIH equipment but also some Deere) I don't think the dealer himself was meaning anything malicious, and I doubt Deere corporate sent anything out to the dealers about the aftermarket receiver. He was just expressing what he was expecting to happen, which is unfortunately how it has been in the ag industry for a while now.
At the end of the day though, you should still be able to use aftermarket electronics if such products exist, just like in cars or other industries. I'm hopeful that this aftermarket receiver is able to continue to have success and show that.
My grandfather was a farmer. As many of his generation did, he repaired and maintained his own tractors and implements. He retired a decade before consumer GPS equipment existed, but he remained interested in farm technology for the rest of his life. He would have enjoyed following this fight. (He never was a Deere guy... mostly used Case/IH).
I don't watch every video, not even close, and we don't see eye to eye on everything, but holy hannah is this a perfect example of why I stay subbed and supportive of your work.
Keep it up, same to the person in the clip you played!
Thank you very much!
It already sucks for the average consumer not being able to really repair your own stuff, but when it comes to farmers and their equipment which breaks all the time, cause y'know, hard work, I think it becomes really nefarious. Especially when you consider that farmers are already struggling making a decent income while working their butts off
Plus the fact that farmers can't wait several weeks or even MONTHS to get their equipment shipped to the manufacturer, repaired, and shipped back again. harvest season ain't waiting, repairs must be done on-site within or days at most!
This shit could actually threaten the national food supply, if all manufacturers did this and enough farmers can't get their equipment fixed before the food rots on the fields!
@@LRM12o8 yeah, if they aren't ready to provide a repair shop in pretty much every village, they shouldn't limit accessibility to repairing vital farm equipment. Just as ridiculous to ask for that as a consequence as what they're trying to do right now
😂😂😂 who knew you'd be here when I started following you because your board repair vids were awesome so many years ago. Keep it up, you da man.
Apple, Google, John Deere and a bunch of others: **openly engages in massively anti-competitive behavior on a daily basis**
FTC: "I know, we'll sue Microsoft to stop them from buying COD!"
Because Microsoft and ABK were getting press. The news ignores the more egregious companies.
You're saying that like MS haven't done the same thing historically.
@@Redhotsmasher Yes, but the FTC didn't go after them for those.
Don't worry Disney will buy COD... laff...
@@tegandetermann3299 DoJ on the other hand...
With everything John Deere is doing it seems like a great opportunity for other farm equipment makers to cash in on the situation. Other companies should make their equipment in a way that makes it easy for farmers to do repairs then point that out in their product marketing. When JD starts losing some sales they may eventually take the hint.
Buy European and Asian equipment
Other companies join in just like others want to be apple.
You still have to get established in an area. Pretty much every farming region has a strong JD presence. Most will also have Case IH. If you're lucky, you have AGCO brands (which seem to be more friendly to third-party software) as an option.
And 5 years from now they turn into John Deere MK II just like every other company. I have no rights and I must repair.
@@jhon-cg4rg I don't know enough to claim that European farming equipment is any better or worse. But looking at the car market it's the same here as in the US. So chances are that European farm equipment manufacturers are looking to John Deere as role models. It may be that the Asian market is the last bastion of simple machines that are easy to work on and that doesn't come with proprietary software intended to stop other manufacturers products from working.
Louis, thank you for your courage!
It is exciting to be a witness of an emerging civil battle for leveled-up hardware.
Such a domain will definitely brings up plenty of topics and highlights a knowledgebase that are buried under corporate bureaucracy, patents'n'rights fossil and agro-geo market gears.
I suspect Deere's going to say that dealer wasn't speaking for the company, since he's not an executive and he used a lot of hypotheticals like "that's what I would do", and no specific examples of past conduct. They may be trained to talk like that, or the guy just doesn't know anything. We need to use the RICO standards on these companies, but that requires it to become a major political issues that legislators and white house can't ignore. Right now it's lowkey enough that they can take the money and not catch too much voter flak, thanks for working on that. Elizabeth Warren ran on issues adjacent to this, antitrust and such, unfortunately it didn't get her too far in the presidential race.
Still, it causes public embarrassment, and it will be even more embarrassing if they come out with a statement that this isn't company policy, and then go ahead and do exactly the thing their rep was talking about.
Warren was planted to run interference for these modern-day robber barons. She's part of the problem.
Grew up on a farm, still live in the middle of farm country. John Deere green is the most expensive color to own imo. Most people also don't understand that if a tractor breaks down in the field and you can't fix it, you have to pay travel time or distance for the mechanic, which isn't cheap, plus about 1.5x the mechanic shop rate of a town shop. Parts are ridiculous after spending hundreds of thousands to purchase.
All of the following companies probably say this in their offices (I wish this was a common satire meme format):
Microsoft: _We see another company using a browser other than ours. Screw it. We'll rewrite a bunch of our first party programs to point to Edge when you click on a link._
Google: _We see another company making an android rom better than ours. Screw it. We'll secretly tell companies to lock their bootloaders, helping us and them with earning royalties._
Apple: _We see another company keeping our products alive longer than Apple Care does. Screw it. We'll double down on serializing our parts so only we can repair correctly._
Hey Louis! Haven't really commented on your videos but one thing I will say is that you are an awesome person and I'm glad you're exposing all this corporate corruption and congressional collusion!
Louis doing more than journalists who are supposed to do the things he’s doing. God bless you.
It's not just JD doing this, ALL vehicles now need updates regularly at the DEALER to run properly. Including most FARM equipment.
As the competence crisis spreads, it's easier to find imbeciles in prestigious positions.
It could also be a case of hubris from the lack of consequence. Just like the favourite child is not bothered by their parents' presence when bullying their siblings.
we have been selecting for this throughout the last 50 years. we allowed corporations to completely take over our politics and culture in the name of profit.
THANK YOU FOR FIGHTING FOR US AND THE RIGHT TO REPAIR!
As Peter Thiel said, "competition is for suckers". This phrase perfectly encapsulates modus operandi of many big corps.
This is the quiet part that most big corporations won't tell you, but gets overwhelming support at board meetings.
With respect Louis: "Never interrupt the enemy when he's making a mistake ". ;)
thx J. Deere for making Louis smile THAT deeply prior to, during and after this video.
Never seen anything comparable in any of his videos 😅
Finally someone with the money to put into this effort! Go get ‘em!
We need an overarching anti-trust statute separating software from all other goods and services. That would prevent companies from requiring subscriptions to repair or maintain physical products
I agree, but it's about as likely to happen as abolishing "intellectual" property rights, which is what really needs to happen, because it violates your actual property rights. Anyone should be able to make and sell anything if they own the materials to do so. Everything is built off existing technologies, and from basic physics, there is always a most efficient way to do something. If u can "own" the most efficient way of doing something, then u have an effective monopoly. Inventions are in essence discoveries, and discoveries belong to everyone. Corporations shouldn't be able to "own" a tool design, a plan, a schematic, or a collection of ones and zeros. The idea that u can own an idea is an idea that noone should possess.
@@gnostic-wolf This is a completely brain dead take on the situation. You may be a worthless burger flipper at McDonalds, but Engineer's work their butts off pulling long 12-hour days to make inventions that become patented. They DESERVE their legal monopoly for the hard work they put into inventing new technologies alone! Now I know you've never done a single ounce of real work in all of your entire life, so you don't know what hard work is, but trust me: when you work hard for something, you deserve to reap the profits.
“You would do crime”
“Hell yeah, why wouldn’t they, I would!”😊
This guy !! Hell yea brother 💯 thank you for standing up for the Farmers !!! I'm sure I speak for many many people when I say this !!!
"Why wouldn't you?" Because I'm not a piece of shit.
I am a farmer too and we don't need stuff like this happening. We have to be able to work on our own equipment. Nothing else to say. To do our jobs we have to be able to fix that stuff. The ones I follow on youtube that are now taking over the family farms are tech savy people and want to use that tech on the farm. If they have the tools they can do it.
When hard times come, and they always come, everyone must be able to repair the tools for their trade.
You're not a farmer. Farmers wear $3000 suits and sit in air conditioned offices in Miami now. I'm not saying you don't work in agriculture, I'm saying that even if you're still working now, you won't be soon. That's the goal. Some fat rich bastard in downtown OKC will soon be the "farmer" and guys like you will be their contractually obligated employees and the consumer will eat nothing but poison. I'm honestly surprised more actual farmers aren't taking extreme measures. Don't believe me? Ask the nearest chicken farmer how he's getting along.
What kind of BS is Deere feeding farmers? A subscription does not impact the clarity of a GPS satellite signal!
Not enough farmers are boycotting JD to make a difference. They either don't care or don't mind being reamed by JD.
@@kruleworld It can be difficult to make a stand when you're 2-5 years into the payment plan on a machine that costs hundreds fo thousands of dollars and the company turns and stabs you in the back.
There's also a lot of laziness of habit, and probably some issues with easily accessing competing platforms (Case, IH, Cat/Challenger, Mahindra, etc.)
This is part of why I love your content, excellent coverage on this Louis 👏 👌
They've gotten too comfortable with their bs and lies, crap practices, and purposful rigging. Good 👍
That beginning Microsoft piece, finally someone said it, thank you Louis.
Louis you're a hero for what you're doing for the farmers
The problem is that the company will get fined, instead of investigated and members of the board of directors thrown in jail for ten years.
Maybe have a couple of their most recent patents invalidated permanently. Make those patents public domain against the companies will.
Either of those would do infinitely more than a simple fine they won't care about in the slightest.
Oh, that is a fantastic idea. Make the antitrust punishment the invalidation of all the company's IP; that idea sounds fantastic. Imagine that happening to Google or Disney.
There are more ag equipment manufacturers than John Deere. Stop buying Deere products
The amount of work and passion you have committed to this movement is exemplary!!
Well done and thank you!!!!
I wish I could like this video 1 million times. Thank you Louis for all that you do.
The only way you gain control of a product like this is if you replace *all* of the boards. If they want to re-write the software to prevent third-parties from building on their solution, then rip out their solution.
An open source board is needed.
Or hack it jailbreaks it or even hard nodded to install open source software even tesla got jailborken and got access to all the features for free even wise words of Gabe Newell " pricacy is a service problem not the price"
@@Krytern Next up, an open-source board for printers
@rexsceleratorum1632 there are some for 3d printers surprised not for inkjet
@@Krytern My 3D printer runs on open source firmware. Inkjets and lasers next.
At least someone should design an open source printer and hopefully it will see widespread adoption like open source 3D printers were adopted.
Louis, you give me hope for the future. Very few people can do that. I am an advocate for GPL and FOSS software like GNU/Linux, that is my pride and joy. Thank you for everything you do, I will continue to try and spread awareness of the right to repair movement to as many people as I can in my personal life.
Keep doin what ur doin!
A trusted source for common sense and justice!!
Kevin Kenny has to be the most gangster farmer in the whole world for this. Man actually just walked right up to the rep, got him to spill the beans, and walked off with his middle finger up. Hats off for that one.
"They're going to stalk you to a corn field and turn you into a scarecrow"
-Louis Rossmann
-anti scarecrow association
P.S.
There are many small boat autopilot systems which can probably be retrofitted to tractors fairly easily. Just connect to the hydraulic steering. They come with GPS and displays.
Rossman is like, "Nice anti-consumer monopoly you've got there. Shame if something happened to it...." 🤣
They sold you the product, you paid for it, but they act as if they STILL OWN IT.
I hope John Deere's leadership gets taken to task for trying to pull a fast one, I hope Mr. Kenney's GPS lineup takes off like a shot, and I hope you're taking care of yourself! (:
"A cockring should never be a subscription" - Louis Rossman, 2023
I love what you’re doing, bro. Thank you.
Great work. Thank you both.
Louis you are doing what I dream of being able to do. Fund the investigative work to put these criminal business in their place. You are the type of person I would define as a hero. Thank you!
I would not be bothered by XaaS if:
- They priced services as services;
- The option to perpetually acquire it remained;
- They called a spade a spade.
JD and many others do neither. They want to have cake, eat it too, and block people's ability to bake their own or purchase elsewhere, and billing you for the entire bakery per slice
I don't think you've gamed out how dystopian the end result would be.
11:25: (With one of the biggest smiles I've ever seen Louis sport) "Because I can, that's what makes it so much fun"
Never change Louis, never change
Thank you for the brilliant work you do
They'll get fined for 1 million, but they'll earn 20 million.
This is why I avoided John Deer and went with Yanmar I can work on my own tractor and put any third party parts I want on it. Most people I recommend to avoid John Deer but they have so much representation in the market most people don't know other tractor companies are out there.
I flipping love the way you actually tell them how to do their fucked up deeds PROPERLY
The sheer aura of smug emanating off Louis... It's the only type of pure 100% refined smug you get from the innocent party of two siblings while their mother scolds the guilty sibling for breaking the house rules (made doubly delicious because the guilty sibling tried to blame the innocent sibling for weeks on end, and the innocent sibling finally gets absolved and vindicated). Beautiful.
I trully love how you have been unbending for all of those years fighting with this insane corporate bullsh it machine. One day justice will come! Wishing you all the best brother from middle Europe
This man here is a national treasure!
Keep up the good work Louis, it's always a pleasure to watch your content
Imagine the government protecting consumers from these types of practices instead of being worried about how many more millions to send overseas
I wonder what CaseNH, Mahinda, Kubota, etc are all doing while John Deer is catching all the shit for their bullshit. The money is there to be made and I wouldn't put it past the other players in that game to be like 'Oh well JD's got everyone distracted let's do the same shit without anyone noticing'.
Maybe. Or maybe it's "everyone's looking out for this shit because of John Deere, let's look for a different way to make money".
@@Poldovico That's implying corporations have ethics and morals. they don't. The only thing their competitors are doing regarding this is trying to see how they can do the same exact shit WITHOUT getting caught. They've all seen how lucrative this business model is since video gaming went down this same path 15 years ago and nobody fought it, cat's out of the bag as it were, it's only a matter of time.
Car companies, too. BMW, Tesla, Toyota already experimenting with it. Detroit, Bavaria, Tokyo are all watching VERY CLOSELY at how JD gets through this backlash because they've already laid the foundations, built the walls, wired everything, and are sitting there ready to flip the switch on the worst monetization scheme to ever happen to physical goods.
John Deere will be running faster than a dear to change their statement once the backlash happens.
ummm, akshually we meant that we talented and respect competition ackshually.
You do important work! It's so hard to get the avarage consumer to understand the importance of this! keep it up mr.Rossman!