I LOVE THE BALLISTA ELEPHANT REPRESENTATION! They're my favorite unit and Khmer are my favorite civ in the game, everyone always clowns on them but Khmer arena into late game ballistas is my fav thing to do and see, and to see daut of all people spam ballistas and do incredibly warms my heart to the fullest 💜
@@victoirej.2611 I think viper once said in a tier list video ballistas are like C tier normally but if you can get to the point where their fully upgraded in a large mass their A+ tier
Why do the towers all spawn in the west on fortress? Seems kinda unfair for the team on the west of the map who all get towers facing the edge, while the team in the east all have 4 great position defensive towers each (unless it's all totally random I guess)
Watched lyx's stream, he sounded tired at the end. Understandable, he's just 1 year younger than Daut, and it was running into 3 am in China at the very end.
I feel the East Asian players do get the short end of the stick with more European/American centric tournament timings. Hopefully we'll once again have LAN tournaments and we can see these amazing people in person battling it out under more favorable circumstances.
@@easternhills1329 i agree, but it also will be insane logistics to get all those international ppl to one location ... they need to be free of work and they need to AFFORD the trip :S
I always love that Yo and lynx are never quitters. If I have one criticism of high level players it is that they often quit immediately when they sense momentum has gone to tthe other side
Regarding game 3 and the „what do I do against these ballista elephants“ discussion: As poles you have this amazing eco, especially on a wood map like arena. Therefore you have indefinite amounts of food. With 80 farmers you just spam hussars with trample damage out of 20 or so stables. Your KD might be disastrous, but the sheer mass of hussars will work against ballistas. Maybe mix a few pikes in, maybe some obuchs, maybe some skirms, maybe some arbs. Just to make it a little harder for the enemy. But mass those hussars, it just works
I feel like boyars are overlooked. They are an INSANE unit. Exactly a teutonic night on horse. Pikes just tickle them. You need mass archers or monks to deal with them. I feel like they beat a paladin 1v1 too, but not sure
1:23:25 I would agree with these people if this game didn't have this much to macro and with the exponential curve of increasing ApM for micro like in every strategy e-sport. Thus, yeah, as quality of life mods don't quite affect skills, we really shouldn't be bothered by such a use.
You said multiple times that Indian villagers on shore fish is the fastest food collection in the game but that’s not true. Mongol villagers on hunt is actually still faster than Indian villages on shore fish.
It always seems to be that especially at high-level play, ranged units just dominate melee units. The pathing is so bad that the speed advantage of cav doesn't ever seem to do much.
It's something that has been like that since DE's release and no one is speaking about fixing it. In my view it's a thing they literally changed from vanilla (melee pathing, knights were far more compact in the HD version) and people simply didn't care. For me it's really a shame. I miss the days of paper knights.
the only thing that needs changing for archers in my opinion is their collision radius, which you can fit 100 archers into 1 tile if the radius was extended then it would be easier for cavalry to surround them
If Obuchs are more expensive then in case you defended at the beginning of the game, you have no good tools to attack because you are dependent on castles. Franks have paladins, others have archers but poles have cavalier. I wouldn't change it.
ballista elephants are countered by onagers and bombard cannons generally, at least from my experience with at and bf. That being said they are probably at their best on arena where their mobility and tankiness gives them a huge edge over scorpions + battle elephants. Also, if you can get enough halbs on top of them somehow they get slaughtered, which is best done by flanking them somehow. They also aren't that good vs paladins. Also rip burmese get hard countered so bad by genoese crossbows its depressing
During game 5 on black forest Tristan discussed the rule against killing boars with no intention of eating. I find that so silly. It's a part of the game, so why should it not also be a part of a standard tournament? If someone is skilled enough to get into your base and kill your boar then good for them. It's a game mechanic. It's like when people complain about camping in Call of Duty. It's a game mechanic. You keep dying to campers? Then get better.
"I don't think it should be on Lyx, as he's vill waring in the first 5-10 minutes, to have to look around and call a bugged map". Just pause at the beginning and look on the minimap. Seriously. It's your fault if you villager rush but don't consider your tactical position on the map.
I know chu ko nu are strong but man the way they shred the boyars was ridiculous. Boyars are so much more expensive. But the melee pathing, specially of cavalry is crap af
@@Poolehful imagine being this triggered by a comment about a color on a scoreboard... and what does corruption have to do with this? I didn't say i like their government
@@nicolasspray There are other things in the world that are yellow and blue besides Ukraine, you know. You can admit you literally just got excited because media told you to be.
I LOVE THE BALLISTA ELEPHANT REPRESENTATION! They're my favorite unit and Khmer are my favorite civ in the game, everyone always clowns on them but Khmer arena into late game ballistas is my fav thing to do and see, and to see daut of all people spam ballistas and do incredibly warms my heart to the fullest 💜
Man, it's nice seeing such an active pro scene for AoE2 all these years later. Feels like there's a competition every week.
Yeah love it!
more than that, sometimes theres multiple at the same time
shame that its still the same people after all these years :(
I‘m only two games in and I already love it! There’s so much back and forth in way more asymmetric styles than I‘m used to from watching 1v1s.
I LOVE THE BALLISTA ELEPHANT REPRESENTATION! They're my favorite unit and Khmer are my favorite civ in the game, everyone always clowns on them but Khmer arena into late game ballistas is my fav thing to do and see, and to see daut of all people spam ballistas and do incredibly warms my heart to the fullest 💜
Those big bois are savage in late game lmao
@@victoirej.2611 I think viper once said in a tier list video ballistas are like C tier normally but if you can get to the point where their fully upgraded in a large mass their A+ tier
Why do the towers all spawn in the west on fortress? Seems kinda unfair for the team on the west of the map who all get towers facing the edge, while the team in the east all have 4 great position defensive towers each (unless it's all totally random I guess)
Watched lyx's stream, he sounded tired at the end.
Understandable, he's just 1 year younger than Daut, and it was running into 3 am in China at the very end.
I feel the East Asian players do get the short end of the stick with more European/American centric tournament timings. Hopefully we'll once again have LAN tournaments and we can see these amazing people in person battling it out under more favorable circumstances.
@@easternhills1329 i agree, but it also will be insane logistics to get all those international ppl to one location ... they need to be free of work and they need to AFFORD the trip :S
dude.....THAT 1ST GAME WAS INSANE!!!! SO GOOD GG
I always love that Yo and lynx are never quitters. If I have one criticism of high level players it is that they often quit immediately when they sense momentum has gone to tthe other side
3 extreme boomers together in black forest
it's a recipe to success
I don't think I've ever heard t90 as straight up confused as he was for a lot of game 2. I love it.
That nomad game was very nice! Just the type of game and style I want to see.
"Teutonic Knights on horses." Let's goooooooo!
Regarding game 3 and the „what do I do against these ballista elephants“ discussion: As poles you have this amazing eco, especially on a wood map like arena. Therefore you have indefinite amounts of food. With 80 farmers you just spam hussars with trample damage out of 20 or so stables. Your KD might be disastrous, but the sheer mass of hussars will work against ballistas. Maybe mix a few pikes in, maybe some obuchs, maybe some skirms, maybe some arbs. Just to make it a little harder for the enemy. But mass those hussars, it just works
1:13:33 timestamp for continuing video
Game 2 on Nomad was freaking nuts in this series!
If MBL is the cockroach of AoE then is LYX the Mosquito of AoE? (always gets in, and is extremely annoying)
Saludos desde México a todos.
3:23:00 one aspect is that they are also the slowest (non-elephant) calvary in the game I guess
I feel like boyars are overlooked. They are an INSANE unit. Exactly a teutonic night on horse. Pikes just tickle them. You need mass archers or monks to deal with them. I feel like they beat a paladin 1v1 too, but not sure
Elite boyar does beat a Paladin 1v1. You are right about that. It's just difficult to amass them because they are so expensive.
not only expensive, they need castles to be created
It's time for Hidden Cup 5!! Can't wait anymore, I need a doctor or HC5!!!!
Even me, who doesnt touch the dirty FB in five years, for HC5 and TNinety I'll be there
Game 1 really lives up to the name of the map
Great games, thanks for the awesome cast! :)
A random dude uploaded the final with the name of the teams very well written. Damn spoilers. Great content T90 as always
1:23:25 I would agree with these people if this game didn't have this much to macro and with the exponential curve of increasing ApM for micro like in every strategy e-sport. Thus, yeah, as quality of life mods don't quite affect skills, we really shouldn't be bothered by such a use.
Hey T90 how do I make a submission for a low elo legend game which was lit! :D
You said multiple times that Indian villagers on shore fish is the fastest food collection in the game but that’s not true. Mongol villagers on hunt is actually still faster than Indian villages on shore fish.
man i love the Nomad game Teal had a 100 vills and everyone else had less than 50 - boom into gg haha
I honestly agree that ranked nomad isn't really nomad, it's too similar to land nomad :p
Tatoh was the underdog and mvp in the last. Redemption, and the one helped i guess
so happy to see Vivi back
It always seems to be that especially at high-level play, ranged units just dominate melee units. The pathing is so bad that the speed advantage of cav doesn't ever seem to do much.
It's something that has been like that since DE's release and no one is speaking about fixing it. In my view it's a thing they literally changed from vanilla (melee pathing, knights were far more compact in the HD version) and people simply didn't care. For me it's really a shame. I miss the days of paper knights.
they need to nerf archers and give them frame delay for firing. getting caught out needs to be punished more.
the only thing that needs changing for archers in my opinion is their collision radius, which you can fit 100 archers into 1 tile
if the radius was extended then it would be easier for cavalry to surround them
@@DarkPrinceNeo just lower cav's hit box by 25% and all is fine
@@DarkPrinceNeo the old days cav had smaller hitboxes which made it perfectly balanced
If Obuchs are more expensive then in case you defended at the beginning of the game, you have no good tools to attack because you are dependent on castles. Franks have paladins, others have archers but poles have cavalier. I wouldn't change it.
Tatoh did a pro gamer move.
That arena game was insane
Tourney time and now it's a "tc drop" lol!
ballista elephants are countered by onagers and bombard cannons generally, at least from my experience with at and bf. That being said they are probably at their best on arena where their mobility and tankiness gives them a huge edge over scorpions + battle elephants. Also, if you can get enough halbs on top of them somehow they get slaughtered, which is best done by flanking them somehow. They also aren't that good vs paladins.
Also rip burmese get hard countered so bad by genoese crossbows its depressing
Great series. DauT MVPocket.
Khmer (ខ្មែរ) is an original name of Cambodian, and it is actually pronounce more like Khmei
Wwp is good in diverse tactics and sabotage.
2:38:56 - just... I can't stop laughing at this.
That migration at 1:08:42
@t90 what would your opinion be: arena map with hills
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maaan... if only the video was 4 seconds shorter
if i was t90 i would buy a clone of a cobra car with a custom wololo license plate
During game 5 on black forest Tristan discussed the rule against killing boars with no intention of eating. I find that so silly. It's a part of the game, so why should it not also be a part of a standard tournament? If someone is skilled enough to get into your base and kill your boar then good for them. It's a game mechanic.
It's like when people complain about camping in Call of Duty. It's a game mechanic. You keep dying to campers? Then get better.
"I don't think it should be on Lyx, as he's vill waring in the first 5-10 minutes, to have to look around and call a bugged map". Just pause at the beginning and look on the minimap. Seriously. It's your fault if you villager rush but don't consider your tactical position on the map.
They fumbled fourth game so bad. They should have came closer and put more pressure on wwp
i find it really frustrating to see vills holding bow and arrow but has to freaking stab stuff when fighting...
I know chu ko nu are strong but man the way they shred the boyars was ridiculous. Boyars are so much more expensive. But the melee pathing, specially of cavalry is crap af
2:38:21 - Just AoE2 things 11 xD
Gamer legion won because they were more strategic and efficient
1:08:59 genocide :0
Daut really threw that 2nd game
UKRAINIAN SCOREBOARD!
Imagine being this excited to see the colours of a grossly corrupt country.
@@Poolehful hey it’s better than Russia
@@Me-qn3bv No, not really. And that's a really awful fucking metric for deciding what's worthwhile.
@@Poolehful imagine being this triggered by a comment about a color on a scoreboard... and what does corruption have to do with this? I didn't say i like their government
@@nicolasspray There are other things in the world that are yellow and blue besides Ukraine, you know. You can admit you literally just got excited because media told you to be.
i don't like having color 1 and 6 so close together 11
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Im vivi fan :) gogo
Burmese have the worst UU in the game hands down. IDK why he went Armabai they literally did nothing
mr YOOOOOO
420th like, nice 👌
Bump
TC drop is so lame and cheese, the game the poorer strat wise than anything else
Damn joke t90 dunno boyars have 7PA....a top caster and 2200+ player...no wonder boyars are never rated.
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I LOVE THE BALLISTA ELEPHANT REPRESENTATION! They're my favorite unit and Khmer are my favorite civ in the game, everyone always clowns on them but Khmer arena into late game ballistas is my fav thing to do and see, and to see daut of all people spam ballistas and do incredibly warms my heart to the fullest 💜