I seem to remember Lorin saying that he wasn't related to the people in the house he lived in. His family had been sent away to "repent". That might explain why the folks in the house weren't all that emotional about his decision to leave.
Your experience was as a man with more agency, Sam. No one was trying to marry you off, and you had marketable skills. So saying "no one is stopping you" may not be as accurate for young women. I'd like to know more about that. Lorin mentioned having been separated from his entire family. It seems like a lot of people have been separated and made to pay a steep tithe to even hope to be reunited. I'd like to hear more about that, and whether having the extra mothers (father wives) helped the kids bridge the loss of their own mothers (seems like it wouldn't, but?) Regarding copyright, this would come under fair use & you should contest.
Good point. Plus, the polygamy cults are probably happy to let the boys go, but the girls? No! They need them for breeding with old men, so they are very reluctant to let them go and will pull all kinds of dirty tricks to keep them in the compound.
You two are so lighthearted and kind! I can’t wait to watch your channel grow! Terrible you and others have had to experience these things, but it’s great to be educated on! Thank you!!!!
Oh my gosh, its like I could just feel the emotion when you talked about the relationships and he looked down at his lap for a moment. I can just feel the pain from you both, firsthand, and then as his wife supporting him through some of that pain. My heart just goes out to everyone who's families have been torn apart by this. Sending my love and thoughts for you all.
Just so you know for the future. You can put the video your reacting to in your video, but you have to have your face on the screen too. A lot of people will put what they’re reacting to in the top right corner of the screen.
I loved the show Escaping Polygamy, and I felt for the people trying to leave. From what I could tell, it was a lot harder for the girls to leave then for the boys. On a few episodes they even took girls to a safe house and wouldn't let them have contact with anybody. Is that truly the way of things?
For the girls that grow up FLDS, I think it's like anyone leaving their parents home. If they don't have somewhere to go they're going to struggle. And it's maybe harder for the girls to arrange somewhere to go, because they don't go out to work as much. The parents aren't putting more pressure on the girls to stay faithful to the church than they are the boys. At least it doesn't seem like that to me.
@@azureeyes1955 but they do. The flds had plenty of underage girls getting married so it wasn't even their parents forcing them to stay it was their new husbands. Then they had children and then they were trapped. What about those girls that were smuggled from Canada into the US? They were literally in a foreign country and did not know anybody.
@@aoielf In my personal experience, growing up FLDS, I saw parents pray over and weep for their sons that left every bit as much as their daughters. As far as the smuggling girls from Canada thing goes, I don't know anything about that. I haven't heard of it. And for getting married underage, I mostly just know rumors. Not one of the girls in my family married under the age of 20.
So it was easy for u to leave u can't say it's easy for others u don't know others stories and parents are literally taking the kids to court come on speak on ya story not others
As a man his experience would have been way different than a womans. Some women have been tracked for a year after they escaped in the middle of the night and the God Squad was determined to bring them back. Also some women who escaped but were re-captured have been taken to re-programming houses in the middle of nowhere and were watched by a couple with nailed shut windows and no way to escape again.
Really felt a sense of balance hearing your perspective 🙏 Have you thought about a video reaction was o the Rachel Jeffs episodes? Thank you for sharing your life with all of us 💖
You both are so adorable! I was in a different cult growing up so I totally relate to some of the things you experienced. Thank you for sharing your experiences.
Another outstanding episode! You both bring such real insight. I have many times wanted to travel there and help with teaching skills to those who are out of the cult and need good jobs. Keep the videos coming, I am a huge fan!
Great video! I would love to see the two of you delve into the episodes of the women that can't necessarily walk away. I've seen a few. Is that realistic? And lastly, can you speak on the God Squad? Thank you so much for the respectful way you educate us, all.
We are planning more reaction videos and will definitely do one with a female lead next! Our goal is to do at least one reaction video a month. =) Thank you so much for watching!
I think most of the females look the same mainly in the clothes on the compound. Once they have been out for a little I begin to see a difference it’s just so hard when they dress the same and in some cases cousins with cousins. More people will resemble eachouther as well as when they all look like one uniform person. I don’t think anyone from the outside could tell them apart at first glance. To me this is just a way to further dehumanizing them to take away individual personalities thus keeping ideas to a minimum.
Loren was one of my favorites when I watched this show. He was so forthright about leaving. I got a kick over the girls thinking he was from the God Squad and how he chuckled at them assuming Loren was a girl. He just seemed like a nice guy!
The music is always way over the top but I’m guessing that’s the production teams decision rather than the girls themselves. Everything on TV is so dramatized as if we wouldn’t watch it without that. It does seem like the females in both of the cults they help experience a lot of emotional manipulation that causes them to need a lot more support in leaving. Can’t wait to see more from you guys!
I'd be interested in a reaction or commentary about the story of Elissa Wall and/or the book Stolen Innocence. Her story directly contradicts some of your previous comments about the flds (women being given to new husbands, children being married off and being raped, etc)
Unrelated to this video, but a question for a future video: at what point did the math start to become a problem in these polygamist communites... There are always excess boys when one man has multiple wives you are going to have "left over" boys. Does anyone ever talk about this? Isn't it a problem mathematically?
They had a lot from the FLDS on Escaping Polygamy.Yolanda, MaryAnn, Ray and Issac Jeff’s, Rachel Jeff’s, Vanna and her sister Ariel, Mattie, Ethel, and there was even a mom who was separated from her kids. I’m sure there are more but it’s interesting to see there is some truth to that show!
Im sure they might over dramatize the show a bit but I do think it’s important for y’all to acknowledge that there is a lot of psychological trauma that comes with being in a cult like this. Even though it was easy for Sam to leave and luckily he made it out fairly unscathed it’s not easy for many of these people. They are basically choosing their damnation to hell and leaving behind family and friends for a life of unknown, and they know that family will shun them away forever and even for a man that must be hard as well. They will try to guilt you and suck you back in to the religion to use you. It was probably easier for Lorin to stay strong and not get sucked back in if he had people there supporting him. I know Sam has fond memories of how the FLDS used to be but now this religion has become tortuous for these people and they are being torn apart and neglected every day and that’s extremely important for people to know so we can try to help these oppressed people.
I don't know if you watched until the end of the video, but that is exactly what we talked about at the end after reacting to the video footage. How hard it is emotionally to leave everything and everyone you know and the toll that can take on anyone.
Warren Jeff’s daughter was in 1 or 2 of the escaping polygamy shows those were great ones!! I saw the one you are watching I agree it was different. Yes I agree he needed help with the vehicles. How does your sister know him would they ever come on and speak on your show now? Like how it was after he left until now? Just curious I completely understand if that’s not possible or you just wouldn’t want to do it. Thank you for sharing!! I enjoy your videos
I would love to see where Lauren is today. He seemed to be such a good man & I really wanted things to work out for him. Lord knows he deserves a break after all he went through!
I am really loving hearing your story and your connection together as a couple. I can relate to so many aspects of what you have been through although I was not specifically raised FLDS or Mormon. I was raised very strict fundamental Baptist and the "control" and brainwashing that I experienced has definitely changed me and how I view organized religion in general. I'm so glad you are in a wonderful place now! I have noticed so much lately of so many other people coming out from Mormonism or Jehovah's witnesses for example. Why do you think there are so many people coming out now? Would love to hear your thoughts!
(Melissa) Thank you so much for watching! We have heard so many stories about other strict religions that share a lot in common. I personally think that a lot of people are leaving as more historical information is coming out about the church's past. When people learn that things were different than they had been taught their entire lives, it makes them feel betrayed. For me, church history was a deep rabbit hole, and I think it is for many others as well.
I find these shows informative. I have lived in Utah in the 1980's and learned some about LDS. And now I live in the Snowflake/Taylor area I know there is an FLDS group here because I see them at the grocery store, but I never knew anything about them. My grandmother was from the Mennonite/Amish community and married out. This is Swiss Anabaptist that split from the Catholic Church in 1523. It is interesting to see the similarities and differences. Mostly the Amish feel it is wrong to be Worldly.
The "tithing" described in the FLDS organization is not Biblical, proper tithing. God's tithe means one tenth of one's increase (in income, etc.) is to be brought to God through bringing it to His church. This is explained in The Holy Bible, Malachi 3:10. The verse also mentions bringing offerings, which are in addition to the tithe. An offering is whatever amount of money, goods, etc., the believer feels led to give, in whatever place in a church or ministry they feel led to give it.❤️🙏. As a Christian, the main thing is having a relationship with God, and learning to trust God in what God is leading the Christian to do in their life. This is vastly different from only one guy claiming to hear from God and acting as an authority above question.
I am from the regular warm in church I’m not from some offshoot and we do not pay $10,000 you pay 10% of our tithing so that’s not right so I’m glad that you and this guy Lauren got both got out of this offshoot
I have watched that show and I saw an episode there they had to get the money out the Bank. Was there a bank just for the FLDS and was it hard to get that money?
Shows are usually staged! My sister-in-law was on house hunters and they had already picked a house but they still went to see others. The show also wanted them to show a different realtor since their realtor was an older man! My sister-in-law wanted to be on the show where they renovate your house but they said no but we can have you on this show instead. They didn’t get very much money and her husband who is an orthopedic surgeon had to take off work so lost money too. It is fun to say they were on the show though!
This one isn’t. Several of the young women that were the headliners of the show have UA-cam channels and have answered VERY in depth questions beyond just what we saw. I’m very sure that in post things were edited for drama and obviously the music makes it seem less realistic, but these situations were real. They will tell you it is not always a physical sneak out escape…but sometimes it very much is. Especially when dealing with the FLDS-women can be taken within hours to a “house of hiding” at which point there is little hope of ever finding them again. During the trials that have taken place there is court evidence of this practice as well as the severe emotional blackmail and religious abuse that takes place. Women are a commodity, something to be owned precisely because they produce more members. I’m not minimizing what men go through, especially boys, but I think it’s less likely to be a physical restraint in the case of males. What they were doing was real. I have no doubt the drama of it was amped up.
Yes. It’s a show and there is some staging. There are quite a few episodes with women leaving where they are violent to the women. Also, this wasn’t his family. As they stated in the beginning. He’s living in a work ranch.
There are definitely HUGE differences in how they treat women vs. men in everything, including them leaving. We will have to react to some of those videos as well.
Thank you! We also found out we can dispute it, but it has to be done 30 days ahead of time, so we will be more prepared next time and hopefully can get permission for it! =)
I watched the whole series and it all seemed very over dramatized, but I suppose that’s tv in general. I believe that a lot of the things that happen in the group are true though! And I can’t even imagine having to lose your family and everyone you know when you leave :(
Are they typically more protective of the girls if they want to leave, compared to an adult male leaving? I know you did this episode because of a personal connection, but some of the FLDS girl episodes seem more tense.
@@rachelfischer8260 I feel sorry for you. I mean I'm pretty sure it's an absolutely beautiful place full of "interesting" people. But it's the cult I wouldn't be able to live with.
Is your new family LDS? I have friends in Kanab, AZ ♥️They are LDS I subscribed yesterday and have been binge watching your videos ♥️I am familiar with the LDS faith but am not LDS but think that most of them have very great values ♥️ Love your channel and honesty ♥️♥️♥️
@@rachelfischer8260 oh cool! I love him! I met him a few weeks ago. He is such a nice guy and is so kind. I asked him so many polygamy questions and he answered them all and was so patient and nice to me. I am mainstream LDS and so I've always been genuinely curious. My husband and I have become good friends with him.
I loved that show but hated the 'escaping' scenes because they were so staged. In many cases they were recreations. It was the people's life stories that were really interesting. I would have rather watched an hour long interview about their life with each person 'escaping' than watch the 'escape'. All of the girls on there with the exception of Amanda had be on "Polygamy: What love is this?" several times and I learned more about their lives from those episodes then from 4 seasons of Escaping Polygamy. That's why your channel is so nice to watch. Question: if for some reason you decided you wanted to go back and rejoin the FLDS bringing Melissa and your kids with you would they take you back? Is there even a current structure in place that would allow that?
First, I have enormous respect for both of you for your spiritual and intellectual integrity. Second, clearly the Escaping Polygamy producers need to add drama to make the show more interesting (sells more commercials). Third, the experience of a man in the cult versus a woman or girl is probably extremely different, since girls may be more easy for them to control and manipulate and threaten, than a boy. Thoughts?
It's amazing how different your perspective is from mine. You say, "there's a lot of truth to this" right as I'm thinking, "there's almost no truth to this" haha.
I just started watching y’all’s channel so if you’ve made a video on this before I just haven’t seen it yet. But does sam have any contact with his family that’s still flds or any family that has also left. And like what are the relationships like now
Hello! I want to thank you both so much for sharing your stories, aka testimonial stories. I can relate so much to you both. Not only was my membership in my church suspended, but, I too would eventually leave. In my church we were taught that your churches were stemmed from my church. Just like the both of you, my husband and I do not raise our children in any particular church. One other thing, if it be God's will I would love to talk to you both, so you can hear about my church and the similar journey that I had to bare as well. If not that is okay I will continue to follow youtube. Thanl you so for allowing me to know that I wasn't alone. You both are a true blessing to God! Have a wonderful week ahead and God bless you and your family!
I love you guys and I know you know Amanda Rae and are both realistic about what’s up…I think people that have listened to both y’all and her have a better grasp on this. Obviously in post everything was made very dramatic. But what they’re doing is real, and there are some where the physical restraint or house of hiding method is in use or being threatened (for the women, for obvious reasons). Rachel Jeff’s trying to contact her sister Theresa is one that shows how it’s more than JUST a move out…Theresa is at that point in the Pringle SD Refuge, but we know there are MANT “refuges” that aren’t known compounds. And if the women are known to be contacted by outsiders and obviously, worse, apostates (and I assume Rachel is right up there with the Wall sisters as far as traitors) they’ll be moved to one of those more obscure areas within hours. It may or may not be possible to ever find them again after that, and it would take a lot of money to hire someone to do so. Then there’s Suzette trying to contact her adult daughters, the only two children she couldn’t take when she saved her others and herself. They had been hiding one down the street in CC from her and her resignation is heartbreaking. She straight up says once they’ve been seen it’s all over-her daughter will be either moved to obscurity or so tightly monitored that she will not be able to sneeze without permission BECAUSE Suzette has attempted to find her (and worse involved cameras). For a male’s experience that shows you the reality..,Isaac Jeff’s. Not his escape, really. They’re clearly nervous about being involved with a Jeff’s son, but other than that it isn’t that icy different from Loren’s. But his interviews are heartbreaking because he is unintentionally transparent in how emotionally devastating it is to accept the monster his dad is and how it was his dad that removed his mother from him. I think they said he was about the age Sam was when he left and that kid…I teach high school and it IS sometimes easy to forget those big boys are still boys and I wanted to hug him so bad. And I am not a hugger. But here’s the one to watch-when they help him finally find his mother in her “house of hiding” (one of the repentance houses). According to him, she had been sent away forever but she did not know that. We do find out in that episode she was working at a chicken factory deboning and sending $1000 a month to them. Still. They find her. And watching what happens is probably the most raw and chilling thing in that entire series, including Melanie’s escape from The Order-where she very much WAS being PHYSICALLY held back and even had her windows boarded up. She is so happy to see him but so, so heartbreakingly brainwashed. She hasn’t seen him in over three years and it takes very little time for her to begin preaching to him and then says to him “Why don’t you give a sermon to me?” At that point he was in her apartment and by his breathing he is on the verge of a panic attack. He literally runs away, gets in the car, and asks (I think it was Andrea and Amanda) to DRIVE. He admits he felt like he might have gotten sucked back in. He was so overjoyed to find Mother and obviously knew the outcome could be devastating, but like anyone wasn’t prepared for how it would feel. It’s good to show that men are abused, too, because religious and emotional abuse are VERY real. And watching her really did make me a little sick. She is so delighted and blown away to see her son but she isn’t able to spend more than a few minutes enjoying that before her brainwashing checks her. It’s a glimpse you don’t always get to see of what it REALLY looks like, especially when dealing with adults that have reached middle age and just don’t have the tools to even contemplate giving up what they’ve devoted their lives to. They really do believe. That show really is geared more towards The Order, obviously, because that’s where they’re from. And the Kingstons are just as diabolical as Warren. IMO even more dangerous because we know he had clearly lost his mind at this point but when he began his reign he was cold and calculating. Paul Kingston is that and just as easily able to manipulate but he is at the same time very easily able to work with the outside world. They’re extremely savvy with the law. Warren was too of course, but because the FLDS communities were even more isolated resistance from the inside was probably easier to squash without ever involving the outside. I also think Warren’s narcissism and literal god complex made him less likely to play the game as well as the more practical Kingstons. I don’t know which is worse, but I do think the Kingston group is more likely to survive because of this. It seems to ge a more toxic community in some ways. Lastly the women helping are still processing their own trauma years later. So asking Matt to take care of them isn’t because Jessica really thinks these guys are going to shoot her dead but because she HAS been beaten and severely abused by men in a religious cult so I have no doubt even though they weren’t necessarily being outwardly aggressive that was very triggering for her and the perceived danger was very real. Jessica to me seems to be one of the most easily able to talk about her life as Stephanie and acknowledge the hell she went through while actively integrating it into her new life as Jessica. Andrea, too. Since they were both thankfully removed as younger teens they’ve had time to get help and were luckily able to find excellent foster families (I love Jessica’s story of how she literally asked her adoptive mother to rename her). Y’all know Amanda is still working…I actually listen to culty cup of coffee sometimes because it’s a little therapy community and often she’ll specifically say we’re not doing The Order today, we’re doing how to deal with trauma. Everyone has their own and obviously some is more extreme than others but we only have our own lives as frame of reference. For anyone that read this unintentional essay it’s to say that I think in regards to Loren’s episode they’re pretty on point, but as for the show as a whole, it’s not often that simple, even when dealing with women that are of age to leave. As Sam and Melissa point out it’s often not so much the physical leaving as it is the incredible amount of emotional pain that brings, and having a group there to support you emotionally and be cheerleaders I’m sure is powerful. I can’t ever guess what I would do, truly, having not been raised in a cult but I do know that I’m not emotionally strong and that I would probably need something like this to help me leave just because I wouldn’t be able to handle it alone. They’re also able to use their connections with different relief groups to help secure housing, schooling, etc. Probably the show footed the bill at times, too. That’s no small thing. I’ve noticed for the older adults being able to leave and provide for themselves and their children seems to be the forefront issue…women especially. In The Order the men transparently do not support their children so the women do, but they are GIVEN jobs by The Order and do not usually have marketable skills much less education that would apply in the outside and the fear of trying to start over in middle age and with children is crippling. I’ll say the education is usually even more of an issue for the FLDS women, but they were at least taught skills like sewing, hair dressing, most are capable or gifted in childcare, resroucrful with food since many had little to work with, etc. I’ve seen several that are making good money putting their skills as seamstresses to work. It seems like in The Order even those practical skills aren’t taught, really, since that group takes the opposite approach-attempt to blend in, not actively stand apart. They aren’t making their own clothing as a rule. I can’t imagine being Sam and knowing “Ok, this is it, I may or may not see my family again.” I can’t even wrap my head around it. Even if I had a crappy family (I am blessed to have an excellent one) they are still your family. Even for the men that usually have really good success in construction for example as a means to support themselves, that is just heartbreaking. That is the intention these women had with the show IMO. But to market it you have to let post throw in those irritating royalty free music clips and add some heartbeat sound tracks to make it feel like an adrenaline rush.
Could you guys react to MaryAnn Barlow’s Escape From Polygamy episode/follow up? I feel like that was the most authentic and genuinely dramatic one yet. And she’s doing really well now!
The producers obviously dubbed some stuff to make it extra “dangerous” (see the parking lot “scene”), but i thought is was really poignant how final their goodbye had to be.
Physical force isnt the only type of force. Emotional corrcion is force also. Would you be able to leave if leaving meant leaving your children behind?
I would love to see a video with you discussing a typical church service. Are you expected to be at every church event? How often does the community to meet? Do y’all sing and then read scripture like a typical church? Do you use a regular bible or other text? How long is a service ? Do you have a preacher or just the prophet talks? Are women not allowed to talk during church? I’m just curious as to what a typical service looks like.
I really liked this episode. I taken me until 37 to decide to leave. I own my place and run my own small construction company so leaving is more of dealing with emotions than anything. I have never loved or allowed myself to love because of the belief of placement marriage. Now that my heart almost has a pulse and I fill somewhat free to entertain the idea of love i was talking with a friend on this subject and i jokingly said that i should phone those escaping polygamy gals and ask for help finding a first date. So Her comment on why did you phone us hit my as pretty funny.
It seems as though he appreciated the emotional help, and I think that is possibly more of a reason to actually ask or seek out help. In a way I think the boys are not supported as much as the girls/women, because they are boys. I think they have been abused emotionally, physically and psychologically as much as the girls, of course it looks different in all situations. My heart just breaks seeing the boys suffer quietly just as the girls do.. thanks for all of your videos, your voices have touched my heart for sure.
Gotta love somewhat scripted reality tv. I watch the show too. SSSSHHHH! Lol! A brief background on the various branches of polygamy would be interesting. I know that's probably not the correct terms so to speak. But interesting nonetheless. Take care guys!
He didn't live with his actual real family he was outcasted or whatever they call it and was living with a bunch of other guys and I think a couple girls basically kind of like a group home in a sense he explains it all throughout the episode
Ughhh....the women are treated WAY WORSE with being in this cult and trying to leave. This cult is not good no matter how innocent these people try to make it seem.
I find it so hard to understand how polygamy is so pro family, yet are willing to never speak or see their children again if they leave. Nothing comes before my family. I won't give up on them no matter what. Yes, I know you said that the parents were emotional, but yet they still stick with the rules set down by some so called prophet.
It’d prob be different if it was a girl trying to leave …. Bc she’s baby making potential. Loren is just a moneymaker worker bee and that’s why I think they didn’t kick him out. He wasn’t necessarily competition for the elite men, but he wasn’t a lost boy bc they knew he could contribute labor/money to the church.
All churches preach tithing. Its in the Bible to give 10% of income and now they preach pay it from gross amount. You will get blessed if you give. I do know of people who struggle financially and still give. Any membership requires annual fees..... but check out Hillsong for example.
I mean I’d ask what people were doing if there were strangers and a camera crew! I would think it would be different if a man left versus a woman since some men are cast out anyway. It’s still sad, it’s just different.
First has Melissa ever met any of your family still in polygamy. Just interested, but know you may not be able to answer. Also these girls were part of the Kingston group, did u know much if anything about them?
Hey again haha. There's plenty of channels who react to entire movies, they just edit it down to 25 or 30 minute videos. Maybe that would work. Just a thought. 😘
I'm sure other people have said this, but the people in the house are not his family. He talks about it in the episode. He's been separated from his family. It's kind of frustrating watching this and you guys are basing alot of opinions on false information.
I seem to remember Lorin saying that he wasn't related to the people in the house he lived in. His family had been sent away to "repent". That might explain why the folks in the house weren't all that emotional about his decision to leave.
Your experience was as a man with more agency, Sam. No one was trying to marry you off, and you had marketable skills. So saying "no one is stopping you" may not be as accurate for young women. I'd like to know more about that.
Lorin mentioned having been separated from his entire family. It seems like a lot of people have been separated and made to pay a steep tithe to even hope to be reunited. I'd like to hear more about that, and whether having the extra mothers (father wives) helped the kids bridge the loss of their own mothers (seems like it wouldn't, but?)
Regarding copyright, this would come under fair use & you should contest.
Good point. Plus, the polygamy cults are probably happy to let the boys go, but the girls? No! They need them for breeding with old men, so they are very reluctant to let them go and will pull all kinds of dirty tricks to keep them in the compound.
@@MrsOdie2 but the other side they need the young men to bring in more money
@@rachekleblanc1091 yes but for every additional wife a man had they need a younger man to leave.
@@aoielf that's true too
There is a couple episodes of Escaping Polygamy that I’d like you guys to watch. Melodys episode and Yoldadas episode. Yolanda was from the FLDS
And also Mary-Ann.
@@diyashikha93 oh I loved Mary-Ann, she had such a great personality.
You two are so lighthearted and kind! I can’t wait to watch your channel grow! Terrible you and others have had to experience these things, but it’s great to be educated on! Thank you!!!!
Oh my gosh, its like I could just feel the emotion when you talked about the relationships and he looked down at his lap for a moment. I can just feel the pain from you both, firsthand, and then as his wife supporting him through some of that pain. My heart just goes out to everyone who's families have been torn apart by this. Sending my love and thoughts for you all.
This was probably one of the most honest explanations!!
I agree the help that is needed more than anything is the transition into the real world.
I always wondered what happened to Lorin. I’m glad he is doing well! Thank you for sharing your story!
Just so you know for the future. You can put the video your reacting to in your video, but you have to have your face on the screen too. A lot of people will put what they’re reacting to in the top right corner of the screen.
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I loved the show Escaping Polygamy, and I felt for the people trying to leave. From what I could tell, it was a lot harder for the girls to leave then for the boys. On a few episodes they even took girls to a safe house and wouldn't let them have contact with anybody. Is that truly the way of things?
No.
For the girls that grow up FLDS, I think it's like anyone leaving their parents home. If they don't have somewhere to go they're going to struggle. And it's maybe harder for the girls to arrange somewhere to go, because they don't go out to work as much. The parents aren't putting more pressure on the girls to stay faithful to the church than they are the boys. At least it doesn't seem like that to me.
@@azureeyes1955 but they do. The flds had plenty of underage girls getting married so it wasn't even their parents forcing them to stay it was their new husbands. Then they had children and then they were trapped. What about those girls that were smuggled from Canada into the US? They were literally in a foreign country and did not know anybody.
@@aoielf In my personal experience, growing up FLDS, I saw parents pray over and weep for their sons that left every bit as much as their daughters. As far as the smuggling girls from Canada thing goes, I don't know anything about that. I haven't heard of it. And for getting married underage, I mostly just know rumors. Not one of the girls in my family married under the age of 20.
So it was easy for u to leave u can't say it's easy for others u don't know others stories and parents are literally taking the kids to court come on speak on ya story not others
As a man his experience would have been way different than a womans. Some women have been tracked for a year after they escaped in the middle of the night and the God Squad was determined to bring them back. Also some women who escaped but were re-captured have been taken to re-programming houses in the middle of nowhere and were watched by a couple with nailed shut windows and no way to escape again.
Yes, the men's experiences are WAY different than the women's.
If you really watched that show Escaping Polygamy you'd know he ask them to help him get out i feel he's fake
Wow! How cool to hear the background/behind the scenes!!
Also, I love that you are always rooted in truth and respect.
Keep him around Melissa!😂😘
Yes, I love Sam's even, fair tone! There is good and bad in every situation, and he presents it how it is. Not sensationalized, just informational!
Sometimes the emotional support to be able to follow through is more important than the physical ability to leave.
Really felt a sense of balance hearing your perspective 🙏 Have you thought about a video reaction was o the Rachel Jeffs episodes? Thank you for sharing your life with all of us 💖
I really enjoyed your take on this! The situations on that show vary so greatly, so I'm hopeful that you'll do more episodes!
You both are so adorable! I was in a different cult growing up so I totally relate to some of the things you experienced. Thank you for sharing your experiences.
Interesting hearing your take on the Escaping Polygamy show. Having known Lauren you could really relate to his situation.
Oh my goodness! I'm so excited, been waiting for you guys today. Thank you! 🥰
I love watching your videos! I find the topics and your point of view as a former FLDS so fascinating.
Another outstanding episode! You both bring such real insight. I have many times wanted to travel there and help with teaching skills to those who are out of the cult and need good jobs. Keep the videos coming, I am a huge fan!
Great video! I would love to see the two of you delve into the episodes of the women that can't necessarily walk away. I've seen a few. Is that realistic? And lastly, can you speak on the God Squad?
Thank you so much for the respectful way you educate us, all.
We are planning more reaction videos and will definitely do one with a female lead next! Our goal is to do at least one reaction video a month. =) Thank you so much for watching!
There was a woman on Escaping Polygamy name Yolonda, Sam looks so much like her!
I totally agree. I would love to see a reaction video to watching her on Escaping Poligamy
Wow!!! Yeah
Yes!
Agree
I think most of the females look the same mainly in the clothes on the compound. Once they have been out for a little I begin to see a difference it’s just so hard when they dress the same and in some cases cousins with cousins. More people will resemble eachouther as well as when they all look like one uniform person. I don’t think anyone from the outside could tell them apart at first glance. To me this is just a way to further dehumanizing them to take away individual personalities thus keeping ideas to a minimum.
Loren was one of my favorites when I watched this show. He was so forthright about leaving. I got a kick over the girls thinking he was from the God Squad and how he chuckled at them assuming Loren was a girl. He just seemed like a nice guy!
The music is always way over the top but I’m guessing that’s the production teams decision rather than the girls themselves. Everything on TV is so dramatized as if we wouldn’t watch it without that. It does seem like the females in both of the cults they help experience a lot of emotional manipulation that causes them to need a lot more support in leaving. Can’t wait to see more from you guys!
I'd be interested in a reaction or commentary about the story of Elissa Wall and/or the book Stolen Innocence. Her story directly contradicts some of your previous comments about the flds (women being given to new husbands, children being married off and being raped, etc)
Oh yeah come on I’ve been waiting for this one!!!! Awesome!!!!
Lorin had no family there. His family was sent away.
I remember Loren’s episode he was a badass how he told them he was leaving during the weekly religious meeting he was beyond done with the FLDS lol 😂
love this channel so much! Thank you guys for being so raw and honest!🤍
Unrelated to this video, but a question for a future video: at what point did the math start to become a problem in these polygamist communites... There are always excess boys when one man has multiple wives you are going to have "left over" boys. Does anyone ever talk about this? Isn't it a problem mathematically?
This is a great question. I'm curious myself!
Some of these cults expel the boys when they are 15-18 -- of marriageable age, in fact.
They kick them out.
@@watergarden77 That came later, under Warren Jeffs. They didn't typically kick out men earlier on, though.
They had a lot from the FLDS on Escaping Polygamy.Yolanda, MaryAnn, Ray and Issac Jeff’s, Rachel Jeff’s, Vanna and her sister Ariel, Mattie, Ethel, and there was even a mom who was separated from her kids. I’m sure there are more but it’s interesting to see there is some truth to that show!
You are so sweet!
Im sure they might over dramatize the show a bit but I do think it’s important for y’all to acknowledge that there is a lot of psychological trauma that comes with being in a cult like this. Even though it was easy for Sam to leave and luckily he made it out fairly unscathed it’s not easy for many of these people. They are basically choosing their damnation to hell and leaving behind family and friends for a life of unknown, and they know that family will shun them away forever and even for a man that must be hard as well. They will try to guilt you and suck you back in to the religion to use you. It was probably easier for Lorin to stay strong and not get sucked back in if he had people there supporting him. I know Sam has fond memories of how the FLDS used to be but now this religion has become tortuous for these people and they are being torn apart and neglected every day and that’s extremely important for people to know so we can try to help these oppressed people.
I don't know if you watched until the end of the video, but that is exactly what we talked about at the end after reacting to the video footage. How hard it is emotionally to leave everything and everyone you know and the toll that can take on anyone.
@@GrowingUpinPolygamy commented early I watched the rest that you for pointing that out to me❤️
Warren Jeff’s daughter was in 1 or 2 of the escaping polygamy shows those were great ones!! I saw the one you are watching I agree it was different. Yes I agree he needed help with the vehicles. How does your sister know him would they ever come on and speak on your show now? Like how it was after he left until now? Just curious I completely understand if that’s not possible or you just wouldn’t want to do it. Thank you for sharing!! I enjoy your videos
I would love to see where Lauren is today. He seemed to be such a good man & I really wanted things to work out for him. Lord knows he deserves a break after all he went through!
I am really loving hearing your story and your connection together as a couple. I can relate to so many aspects of what you have been through although I was not specifically raised FLDS or Mormon. I was raised very strict fundamental Baptist and the "control" and brainwashing that I experienced has definitely changed me and how I view organized religion in general. I'm so glad you are in a wonderful place now! I have noticed so much lately of so many other people coming out from Mormonism or Jehovah's witnesses for example. Why do you think there are so many people coming out now? Would love to hear your thoughts!
(Melissa) Thank you so much for watching! We have heard so many stories about other strict religions that share a lot in common. I personally think that a lot of people are leaving as more historical information is coming out about the church's past. When people learn that things were different than they had been taught their entire lives, it makes them feel betrayed. For me, church history was a deep rabbit hole, and I think it is for many others as well.
I find these shows informative. I have lived in Utah in the 1980's and learned some about LDS. And now I live in the Snowflake/Taylor area I know there is an FLDS group here because I see them at the grocery store, but I never knew anything about them. My grandmother was from the Mennonite/Amish community and married out. This is Swiss Anabaptist that split from the Catholic Church in 1523. It is interesting to see the similarities and differences. Mostly the Amish feel it is wrong to be Worldly.
The "tithing" described in the FLDS organization is not Biblical, proper tithing. God's tithe means one tenth of one's increase (in income, etc.) is to be brought to God through bringing it to His church. This is explained in The Holy Bible, Malachi 3:10. The verse also mentions bringing offerings, which are in addition to the tithe. An offering is whatever amount of money, goods, etc., the believer feels led to give, in whatever place in a church or ministry they feel led to give it.❤️🙏.
As a Christian, the main thing is having a relationship with God, and learning to trust God in what God is leading the Christian to do in their life. This is vastly different from only one guy claiming to hear from God and acting as an authority above question.
I am from the regular warm in church I’m not from some offshoot and we do not pay $10,000 you pay 10% of our tithing so that’s not right so I’m glad that you and this guy Lauren got both got out of this offshoot
I have watched that show and I saw an episode there they had to get the money out the Bank. Was there a bank just for the FLDS and was it hard to get that money?
Shows are usually staged! My sister-in-law was on house hunters and they had already picked a house but they still went to see others. The show also wanted them to show a different realtor since their realtor was an older man! My sister-in-law wanted to be on the show where they renovate your house but they said no but we can have you on this show instead. They didn’t get very much money and her husband who is an orthopedic surgeon had to take off work so lost money too. It is fun to say they were on the show though!
This one isn’t. Several of the young women that were the headliners of the show have UA-cam channels and have answered VERY in depth questions beyond just what we saw. I’m very sure that in post things were edited for drama and obviously the music makes it seem less realistic, but these situations were real. They will tell you it is not always a physical sneak out escape…but sometimes it very much is. Especially when dealing with the FLDS-women can be taken within hours to a “house of hiding” at which point there is little hope of ever finding them again. During the trials that have taken place there is court evidence of this practice as well as the severe emotional blackmail and religious abuse that takes place. Women are a commodity, something to be owned precisely because they produce more members. I’m not minimizing what men go through, especially boys, but I think it’s less likely to be a physical restraint in the case of males. What they were doing was real. I have no doubt the drama of it was amped up.
Yes. It’s a show and there is some staging. There are quite a few episodes with women leaving where they are violent to the women. Also, this wasn’t his family. As they stated in the beginning. He’s living in a work ranch.
There are definitely HUGE differences in how they treat women vs. men in everything, including them leaving. We will have to react to some of those videos as well.
Thanks!
Thank you so much! 😊
FYI from other reaction videos I've watched the way to avoid copyright is by pausing and commenting... possibly a thing to look into
Thank you! We also found out we can dispute it, but it has to be done 30 days ahead of time, so we will be more prepared next time and hopefully can get permission for it! =)
Yay!! I’ve been waiting for this😊😊
I watched the whole series and it all seemed very over dramatized, but I suppose that’s tv in general. I believe that a lot of the things that happen in the group are true though! And I can’t even imagine having to lose your family and everyone you know when you leave :(
What did you think o the use of security? It seems like sometimes it's good they're there in dicey situations.
I don't think it's ever a bad idea to have security for the girls. Better to be safe than sorry.
Video idea! You guys should interview more former FLDS members! Another video idea compare and contrast the FLDS and the other polygamous groups!
Are they typically more protective of the girls if they want to leave, compared to an adult male leaving? I know you did this episode because of a personal connection, but some of the FLDS girl episodes seem more tense.
Not protective. Controlling.
@@daenerysmax6267 you’re right. 😊 Controlling is a better word.
So the thing that surprised me was that the FLDS members swore. Is this common? I take it that this is not frowned upon in their religious community.
Swearing is frowned upon but some still do it. No, it's not really common. (I grew up there).
@@rachelfischer8260 thank you so much for responding. 💓
@@ejwilliams2002 Anytime! Happy to help.
@@rachelfischer8260 I feel sorry for you. I mean I'm pretty sure it's an absolutely beautiful place full of "interesting" people. But it's the cult I wouldn't be able to live with.
@@Kinnakeeter well thanks. I had a wonderful childhood & don't regret my family & friends. But its a different world now.
Is your new family LDS? I have friends in Kanab, AZ ♥️They are LDS I subscribed yesterday and have been binge watching your videos ♥️I am familiar with the LDS faith but am not LDS but think that most of them have very great values ♥️ Love your channel and honesty ♥️♥️♥️
Melissa, was your sister the girlfriend he was talking about in the episode?
Hard to say as they dated for a very short time haha
Do you know who Manti Barlow is? I showed him this video and he said he thinks he recognizes Sam but didn’t know which family he was apart of.
Hi! I'm sure if I saw Manti I'd recognize him, it's just hard to remember all those names ;)
Yeah he says the same thing. 😂 he is Nathan Jessops step-son if that helps any. 🤷🏻♀️
Manti is a great guy. Cousin here.
@@rachelfischer8260 oh cool! I love him! I met him a few weeks ago. He is such a nice guy and is so kind. I asked him so many polygamy questions and he answered them all and was so patient and nice to me. I am mainstream LDS and so I've always been genuinely curious. My husband and I have become good friends with him.
This isnt his family is it because at the beginning they said they sent his entire family away so who are the people he lives with?
Cracks me up, Sam's eyes darting back and forth and the smirks. 😂. Just great.
I loved that show but hated the 'escaping' scenes because they were so staged. In many cases they were recreations. It was the people's life stories that were really interesting. I would have rather watched an hour long interview about their life with each person 'escaping' than watch the 'escape'. All of the girls on there with the exception of Amanda had be on "Polygamy: What love is this?" several times and I learned more about their lives from those episodes then from 4 seasons of Escaping Polygamy. That's why your channel is so nice to watch. Question: if for some reason you decided you wanted to go back and rejoin the FLDS bringing Melissa and your kids with you would they take you back? Is there even a current structure in place that would allow that?
First, I have enormous respect for both of you for your spiritual and intellectual integrity. Second, clearly the Escaping Polygamy producers need to add drama to make the show more interesting (sells more commercials). Third, the experience of a man in the cult versus a woman or girl is probably extremely different, since girls may be more easy for them to control and manipulate and threaten, than a boy. Thoughts?
It's amazing how different your perspective is from mine. You say, "there's a lot of truth to this" right as I'm thinking, "there's almost no truth to this" haha.
My UA-cam recommendations are a mysterious place
Hahahaha! He totally needed the help with drivers for dem 6 trucks 👏🏻😂
I just started watching y’all’s channel so if you’ve made a video on this before I just haven’t seen it yet.
But does sam have any contact with his family that’s still flds or any family that has also left. And like what are the relationships like now
They definitely address this in earlier videos. You should definitely watch them they are all very interesting!!
Hello! I want to thank you both so much for sharing your stories, aka testimonial stories. I can relate so much to you both. Not only was my membership in my church suspended, but, I too would eventually leave. In my church we were taught that your churches were stemmed from my church. Just like the both of you, my husband and I do not raise our children in any particular church. One other thing, if it be God's will I would love to talk to you both, so you can hear about my church and the similar journey that I had to bare as well. If not that is okay I will continue to follow youtube. Thanl you so for allowing me to know that I wasn't alone. You both are a true blessing to God! Have a wonderful week ahead and God bless you and your family!
I love you guys and I know you know Amanda Rae and are both realistic about what’s up…I think people that have listened to both y’all and her have a better grasp on this. Obviously in post everything was made very dramatic. But what they’re doing is real, and there are some where the physical restraint or house of hiding method is in use or being threatened (for the women, for obvious reasons).
Rachel Jeff’s trying to contact her sister Theresa is one that shows how it’s more than JUST a move out…Theresa is at that point in the Pringle SD Refuge, but we know there are MANT “refuges” that aren’t known compounds. And if the women are known to be contacted by outsiders and obviously, worse, apostates (and I assume Rachel is right up there with the Wall sisters as far as traitors) they’ll be moved to one of those more obscure areas within hours. It may or may not be possible to ever find them again after that, and it would take a lot of money to hire someone to do so. Then there’s Suzette trying to contact her adult daughters, the only two children she couldn’t take when she saved her others and herself. They had been hiding one down the street in CC from her and her resignation is heartbreaking. She straight up says once they’ve been seen it’s all over-her daughter will be either moved to obscurity or so tightly monitored that she will not be able to sneeze without permission BECAUSE Suzette has attempted to find her (and worse involved cameras).
For a male’s experience that shows you the reality..,Isaac Jeff’s. Not his escape, really. They’re clearly nervous about being involved with a Jeff’s son, but other than that it isn’t that icy different from Loren’s. But his interviews are heartbreaking because he is unintentionally transparent in how emotionally devastating it is to accept the monster his dad is and how it was his dad that removed his mother from him. I think they said he was about the age Sam was when he left and that kid…I teach high school and it IS sometimes easy to forget those big boys are still boys and I wanted to hug him so bad. And I am not a hugger.
But here’s the one to watch-when they help him finally find his mother in her “house of hiding” (one of the repentance houses). According to him, she had been sent away forever but she did not know that. We do find out in that episode she was working at a chicken factory deboning and sending $1000 a month to them. Still. They find her. And watching what happens is probably the most raw and chilling thing in that entire series, including Melanie’s escape from The Order-where she very much WAS being PHYSICALLY held back and even had her windows boarded up. She is so happy to see him but so, so heartbreakingly brainwashed. She hasn’t seen him in over three years and it takes very little time for her to begin preaching to him and then says to him “Why don’t you give a sermon to me?” At that point he was in her apartment and by his breathing he is on the verge of a panic attack. He literally runs away, gets in the car, and asks (I think it was Andrea and Amanda) to DRIVE. He admits he felt like he might have gotten sucked back in. He was so overjoyed to find Mother and obviously knew the outcome could be devastating, but like anyone wasn’t prepared for how it would feel. It’s good to show that men are abused, too, because religious and emotional abuse are VERY real. And watching her really did make me a little sick. She is so delighted and blown away to see her son but she isn’t able to spend more than a few minutes enjoying that before her brainwashing checks her. It’s a glimpse you don’t always get to see of what it REALLY looks like, especially when dealing with adults that have reached middle age and just don’t have the tools to even contemplate giving up what they’ve devoted their lives to. They really do believe.
That show really is geared more towards The Order, obviously, because that’s where they’re from. And the Kingstons are just as diabolical as Warren. IMO even more dangerous because we know he had clearly lost his mind at this point but when he began his reign he was cold and calculating. Paul Kingston is that and just as easily able to manipulate but he is at the same time very easily able to work with the outside world. They’re extremely savvy with the law. Warren was too of course, but because the FLDS communities were even more isolated resistance from the inside was probably easier to squash without ever involving the outside. I also think Warren’s narcissism and literal god complex made him less likely to play the game as well as the more practical Kingstons. I don’t know which is worse, but I do think the Kingston group is more likely to survive because of this. It seems to ge a more toxic community in some ways.
Lastly the women helping are still processing their own trauma years later. So asking Matt to take care of them isn’t because Jessica really thinks these guys are going to shoot her dead but because she HAS been beaten and severely abused by men in a religious cult so I have no doubt even though they weren’t necessarily being outwardly aggressive that was very triggering for her and the perceived danger was very real. Jessica to me seems to be one of the most easily able to talk about her life as Stephanie and acknowledge the hell she went through while actively integrating it into her new life as Jessica. Andrea, too. Since they were both thankfully removed as younger teens they’ve had time to get help and were luckily able to find excellent foster families (I love Jessica’s story of how she literally asked her adoptive mother to rename her). Y’all know Amanda is still working…I actually listen to culty cup of coffee sometimes because it’s a little therapy community and often she’ll specifically say we’re not doing The Order today, we’re doing how to deal with trauma. Everyone has their own and obviously some is more extreme than others but we only have our own lives as frame of reference.
For anyone that read this unintentional essay it’s to say that I think in regards to Loren’s episode they’re pretty on point, but as for the show as a whole, it’s not often that simple, even when dealing with women that are of age to leave. As Sam and Melissa point out it’s often not so much the physical leaving as it is the incredible amount of emotional pain that brings, and having a group there to support you emotionally and be cheerleaders I’m sure is powerful. I can’t ever guess what I would do, truly, having not been raised in a cult but I do know that I’m not emotionally strong and that I would probably need something like this to help me leave just because I wouldn’t be able to handle it alone. They’re also able to use their connections with different relief groups to help secure housing, schooling, etc. Probably the show footed the bill at times, too. That’s no small thing. I’ve noticed for the older adults being able to leave and provide for themselves and their children seems to be the forefront issue…women especially. In The Order the men transparently do not support their children so the women do, but they are GIVEN jobs by The Order and do not usually have marketable skills much less education that would apply in the outside and the fear of trying to start over in middle age and with children is crippling. I’ll say the education is usually even more of an issue for the FLDS women, but they were at least taught skills like sewing, hair dressing, most are capable or gifted in childcare, resroucrful with food since many had little to work with, etc. I’ve seen several that are making good money putting their skills as seamstresses to work. It seems like in The Order even those practical skills aren’t taught, really, since that group takes the opposite approach-attempt to blend in, not actively stand apart. They aren’t making their own clothing as a rule.
I can’t imagine being Sam and knowing “Ok, this is it, I may or may not see my family again.” I can’t even wrap my head around it. Even if I had a crappy family (I am blessed to have an excellent one) they are still your family. Even for the men that usually have really good success in construction for example as a means to support themselves, that is just heartbreaking. That is the intention these women had with the show IMO. But to market it you have to let post throw in those irritating royalty free music clips and add some heartbeat sound tracks to make it feel like an adrenaline rush.
I saw that episode and yep 6 trucks one with no tires lol
Could you guys react to MaryAnn Barlow’s Escape From Polygamy episode/follow up? I feel like that was the most authentic and genuinely dramatic one yet. And she’s doing really well now!
The producers obviously dubbed some stuff to make it extra “dangerous” (see the parking lot “scene”), but i thought is was really poignant how final their goodbye had to be.
We will put it on the list! We are aiming for one reaction video per month, so that we can react to the many requests. =)
Physical force isnt the only type of force. Emotional corrcion is force also. Would you be able to leave if leaving meant leaving your children behind?
I would love to see a video with you discussing a typical church service. Are you expected to be at every church event? How often does the community to meet? Do y’all sing and then read scripture like a typical church? Do you use a regular bible or other text? How long is a service ? Do you have a preacher or just the prophet talks? Are women not allowed to talk during church? I’m just curious as to what a typical service looks like.
That sounds like a great topic for a video!
What helped you make your decision to leave?
I really liked this episode.
I taken me until 37 to decide to leave.
I own my place and run my own small construction company so leaving is more of dealing with emotions than anything. I have never loved or allowed myself to love because of the belief of placement marriage. Now that my heart almost has a pulse and I fill somewhat free to entertain the idea of love i was talking with a friend on this subject and i jokingly said that i should phone those escaping polygamy gals and ask for help finding a first date. So Her comment on why did you phone us hit my as pretty funny.
It seems as though he appreciated the emotional help, and I think that is possibly more of a reason to actually ask or seek out help. In a way I think the boys are not supported as much as the girls/women, because they are boys. I think they have been abused emotionally, physically and psychologically as much as the girls, of course it looks different in all situations. My heart just breaks seeing the boys suffer quietly just as the girls do.. thanks for all of your videos, your voices have touched my heart for sure.
Is there a God Squad? I have watched this show they talk about God Squad and they were trucks following them
I would like to know that as well.
Same!
Gotta love somewhat scripted reality tv. I watch the show too. SSSSHHHH! Lol! A brief background on the various branches of polygamy would be interesting. I know that's probably not the correct terms so to speak. But interesting nonetheless. Take care guys!
He didn't live with his actual real family he was outcasted or whatever they call it and was living with a bunch of other guys and I think a couple girls basically kind of like a group home in a sense he explains it all throughout the episode
Ughhh....the women are treated WAY WORSE with being in this cult and trying to leave. This cult is not good no matter how innocent these people try to make it seem.
I find it so hard to understand how polygamy is so pro family, yet are willing to never speak or see their children again if they leave. Nothing comes before my family. I won't give up on them no matter what. Yes, I know you said that the parents were emotional, but yet they still stick with the rules set down by some so called prophet.
You guys are so delightful
I remember Loren(not sure about spelling and my apologies for that)
Can you tell us what episode you are watching and which season?
Season 4 episode 9
It’d prob be different if it was a girl trying to leave …. Bc she’s baby making potential. Loren is just a moneymaker worker bee and that’s why I think they didn’t kick him out. He wasn’t necessarily competition for the elite men, but he wasn’t a lost boy bc they knew he could contribute labor/money to the church.
True, true and true! It was definitely harder for girls to leave!
I am the one mighty and Strong here to set The house back in Order !!!!!!
All churches preach tithing. Its in the Bible to give 10% of income and now they preach pay it from gross amount. You will get blessed if you give. I do know of people who struggle financially and still give. Any membership requires annual fees..... but check out Hillsong for example.
Have seen clips of the show and have the same views as. The show is definitely over dramatised to a degree 🙂I understand Lorin needed moral support 🙂
I mean I’d ask what people were doing if there were strangers and a camera crew! I would think it would be different if a man left versus a woman since some men are cast out anyway. It’s still sad, it’s just different.
It's definitely different for a woman to leave than for a man to leave!
I've Been waiting to watch this episode.
😂 6 trucks can I have one? lol
When my husband uncle was on a reality show for a short time he sad it was based in reality but a lot is staged.
hope u do Big Love
Me too!!
Big love was fictional, I think he is doing real stories.
@@lizregan1949 Off course it`s fictional. Still would be entertaining to get his spin on it.
What was your beliefs regarding lgbt+ people and what is our beliefs now with that community
I thought lorens parents and siblings were sent away? Wasn't he living with other church members?
I remember that episode. And he also had a gf if am not mistaken.. 😅
I would love to know about your experiences so I just subscribed
Welcome welcome!
I saw this episode. Most of his trucks were parts vehicles that didn't run. Entertaining though.
Why does he own 6 vehicles?
First has Melissa ever met any of your family still in polygamy. Just interested, but know you may not be able to answer.
Also these girls were part of the Kingston group, did u know much if anything about them?
Your vídeos on how you escaped and your life is inspirational. However, you never left the LDS Church.
Hey again haha. There's plenty of channels who react to entire movies, they just edit it down to 25 or 30 minute videos. Maybe that would work. Just a thought. 😘
Have u had Family come out snd stay with u
Yes. When my siblings leave, I like to be there for them to help them "get on their feet" 😊
I love your channel!!!! 😊♥️
I like Lauren,I hope all is going well for him.
Am not in any sort of relationship or commitment.
I liked lorin I hope he’s doing ok
I'm sure other people have said this, but the people in the house are not his family. He talks about it in the episode. He's been separated from his family. It's kind of frustrating watching this and you guys are basing alot of opinions on false information.
Yeah they think god will let him walk out of jail one day
Is this guy Warren Jeffs child? He sure looks like him, just built better.
I think you both are simply the best🥰such a loving special couple💖🌻💙