Wic is for baby formula, milk, juice, and some food staples. The finger prick is to check your iron. I used this program with both my kids. Such a blessing. The price of formula is criminal. This program is a lifesaver.
The ingredients in formula is criminal ! Wet nursing / breastfeeding milk donation is FAR healthier. I did both with my youngest. I not only wet nursed someone else's baby who desperately needed breastmilk until mom could get enough of a stash of donated milk for herself. I donated milk, when my supply was big enough. And while still pumping to increase my supply, I recieve it and did everything I could to aquire it BEFORE resulting to using that nasty formula.
@@ms.anonymousinformer242 Just because la leche and others lie and guilt trip women trying to force them to be little housewives doesn't mean you have to fall for their lies. But do continue to be a little privileged snowflake while gleefully watching babies starve like the rest of the breast cultists
When I was 11 I lived with my family in a small rural town in Michigan. I broke my arm and was taken to our local hospital. The doctor that saw me was obviously very drunk. Even as a young girl I knew immediately that he was drunk because he got in my face and reeked of alcohol. He showed me and my mom the X-ray and said yep it’s broke. Thankfully he did not “set it” but he did put a brace on it with an ace bandage. He said go home and let it heal. I was awake all night in excruciating pain. My mom took me to an orthopedic doctor the next day where he set both the ulna and radius since they were broke in half and put me in a cast. I felt instant relief from the pain. He told my mom that I never would have gained full use of that arm again if she hadn’t brought me to him. I can’t imagine the pain you must have endured letting it heal on its own. I’m happy for you though that you are able to use it properly.
Hi there, not sure if you'll see this comment on an older video. As a geneticist, I'm very curious about the gene pool in the FLDS community. I've heard that a genetic condition called Fumarase Deficiency is more common in the FLDS community due to consanguineous marriages. Do you have any insight on endogamy/inbreeding in the community? Are your parents related at all? Have you seen any medical effects in the community related to the small gene pool? You said no questions are off-limits so I'm going there. Thank you!
Slightly off topic, but as a current biology student I’m curious about your academic and career path! If you feel like sharing I would be super excited to hear about it, as I have zero (0) STEM mentors around me
If you haven't gotten any response back from them I have a little bit of insight on this topic. I'm unsure about Sam’s family but both the Jeffs line and the Jessop line both have evidence of inbreeding-related disorders. Rachel Jeffs (iirc) mentioned in passing in her memoir about some of the genetic disorders in her household. She is one of the older children of Warren's preceding Rulin’s passing so that might be a good starting point. But I do think that the that weren't intimately involved with Warren werent subject to the interfamilial marriage until right before Warrens arrest. Just a special interest please don't quote me.
WIC often tests for iron deficiency. That's what he's talking about. It's done pretty regularly, monthly I believe. Hope this helps. Love your channel.
The bishop Fred Jessop's wife was the first doctor in the town. She was probably the one who assisted Sam's mom when he was born. Then another one of the bishop's wives became a certified midwife. And 2 barlow men became doctors. And Charlotte barlow also became a doctor. The hildale clinic eventually got an xray machine and a bunch of girls in the town became nurses. Also they have paramedics and EMTs just like any other town. I'm not sure why they wouldn't have put a cast on Sam's arm or sent him down to st George to the hospital. I had 6 kids when I lived out there and the medical care we received was excellent.
You are the best possible guys to educate outsiders on how the FLDS community functions. You have such sweet spirits. I just hope people realize how seriously disfunctional this community is. And how good people are hurt in there by bad people.
You sure had an eventful childhood. I agreed with your wife. Poor mom! She must have been the most skilled band aider out there. Bless her heart. ❤️ I sure hope your family didn't end up with loads of debt after the big accident. I know health care in the US can be extremely expensive. I have metastatic cancer and live in Norway where health care is free for everyone. I cannot imagine being as sick as I truly am and having to deal with putting my family in debt while getting chemo in order to hopefully prolong my life. Bless you for sharing your story.
Great videos ! I always thought of the FDLS as an abusive culture, your childhood doesn’t sound that way. Thanks for being respectful to your parents, and the culture you don’t agree with. We need more of that.
It is horrible for all! You need to look into this further before making such statements! Rape, physical abuse, lack of medical care, lack of food, and on and on!
I love your channel!! I recently found it and I’ve been binging! I love going back and listening to the old episodes and hearing all the different stories.
I have some friends raised in the FLDS and am thoroughly enjoying hearing your experience in it, as well as building your life after. You have barely a shortcreek accent at all! You two are absolutely darling and can’t wait to hear more!!Thanks for sharing your lives with us!!
They do check for iron at the wic office but in my city, wic is connected with the public health office so it was the same building for both wic services and vaccines. That may be how it was set up there.
@@GrowingUpinPolygamy I know it's been a minute, but my family was on WIC as a child. As part of the qualification process, we all got basic medical screenings to screen for "nutrition risk" but while we were there we got vision and hearing tests.
Thank God you went to Vegas for the accident. I crushed my elbow as an adult and went to a small clinic in the Appalachian Mountains in Ny while on vacation. The xrays didnt show the crushed elbow and had to drive to SD to go see my Dr who was in the insurance network. They did an MRI and I had to have a titanium elbow put in my arm. I get it, so thankful you went to a major hospital.
Yes WIC stands for Women Infants and Children they provide nutrition to low income fmailies as well as your MMR, (measles , mumps, and rubela) now they also do chicken pox vacinnations as well as all the others that are needed. As a low income young mom they helped with things like cheese, dried beans, milk, formula, cereal, peanut butter. etc. You would get vouchers to take to participating stores. I last used it as a foster parent. The program was for kids newborn - 4 years I believe. Great program.
It is very interesting about your story.. that remind me that your FLDS communities comes to Dixie Hospital.. I have seen it also visit local (Dixie) doctors offices.. My Ex wife used to work at the Dixie hospital.. Glad you are doing great healthy :)
Definitely do a video on the accident! I need to know the whole story now. Also, would just be interested to know about your life together now and how Sam's upbringing comes into play in day-to-day life.
I am totally shocked that the "doctor" didn't suggest any form of immobilization or splinting at all. Casting has been standard practice for decades. Plaster casts started being experimented with in the early 1800s. I'm guessing that casting was nearly universal by at least the 1950s, at least in places with access to medical care. Not utilizing splinting techniques leads to tremendous pain and often bones that don't heal properly. It's really surprising to hear that it was standard practice in that community NOT to use some sort of splint or cast.
Ya'll are just precious. Love your videos and how loving, non-judgmental you are. Looking forward to the accident video. Thankful you are here to tell it. Sounds extremely serious.
I’ve been waiting on y’all to post ☺️ I was wondering after you left did you ever have a moment where you were like “I shouldn’t be doing this” ? The reason I ask is because I grew up in the Bible Belt so I went to a baptist church. I love rock music and scary movies and still to this day before I turn it on I think to myself “is this okay” . My house wasn’t strict at all so unlike some of my friends I was allowed to watch twilight and listen to AC/DC and 2livecrew. Even though I didn’t have a strict upbringing I still find myself questioning if I’m doing the right thing or not so I was wondering if other people do too
Hi Tori! That is a very good question. I definitely had those moments of wonder/fear that I was doing something I shouldn't be. Because of the strict way of which I was raised, simple things like wearing a t-shirt or watching tv made me question if I was doing something wrong. It was almost like I was constantly waiting for a lightning strike to punish me for leaving, as I thought at the time, the only truth.
If no one can get married or have kids right now, how does that make sense with the basics of the religion? Also, what does the FLDS believe about covid? Has it been a problem, or have they been able to stay sheltered? Thanks for sharing all these stories, it's facinating!
Do you have any scar after your arm was broken? Did it heal properly? You have just answered my questions at the end. Could be a lot worse. As a very lively boy you did not have that many dangerous accidents. Luckily
What about when you got sick from viruses (e.g. pneumonia, flu, hand foot and mouth, etc.) Or bacterial infections did you have antibiotics? Did you see a pediatrician for those common childhood illnesses or did you just not get sick much because of no school?
Maybe it was “Women and Infant Care” (WIC). Like if it was a birth center and care for mothers and small children that would be an appropriate nickname for the building
Just to clarify, I am wondering if they either male or female were able to get help? Were they looked down on treated less than others if they couldn't have children? Thanks for answering
I’m new to your channel and enjoy watching. I’m not sure if you have been asked this question. If you went to visit your mother would you be welcome or is that not a possibility?
You're both so lovely... for some reason I want you to have WAY more subs. Maybe a lifestyle vid so we can get a better sense of how you live? I'm on the fence abt showing kids - lots of controversy about that but yours are babies so it's less of an issue. I'd just love to see the life you've built more broadly. (Sadly, the way to hook peeps on YT is to get a little more controversial...)
Not sure if y'all have mentioned this in any other video but I would love to hear your perspective as to whether you think the religion is going to die out or not
As someone from Canada, I’m really curious how if you know what would happen in terms of bills when someone went to the hospital? Did anyone have health insurance? From what I’ve heard of the cost of even going for a doctors visit that the cost for something like a serious accident would be very high. Thank you for making these videos!
He has explained before that most of the mom’s were not officially married by the state so they qualified as single mothers for some state funded things. Certainly in the USA most single mother’s qualify for medicaid which covers the kids and also can cover the mom for a much short time or up to a financial limit.
Is it wieved as being unfaithful for the father who has more than one wife? And how can he have a intimate relationship with so many different women? Do a video on it? Hugs from Norway ( where this ( polygamy) is far, far from our reality)👍
Hello! It isn't considered unfaithful in their eyes because they are all their "wives" spiritually. And for them intimacy is primarily for bearing children, and they just have the mindset that being intimate with more than one woman is normal. This would be a great video topic! Thank you!
Wic is for baby formula, milk, juice, and some food staples. The finger prick is to check your iron. I used this program with both my kids. Such a blessing. The price of formula is criminal. This program is a lifesaver.
The ingredients in formula is criminal ! Wet nursing / breastfeeding milk donation is FAR healthier. I did both with my youngest. I not only wet nursed someone else's baby who desperately needed breastmilk until mom could get enough of a stash of donated milk for herself. I donated milk, when my supply was big enough. And while still pumping to increase my supply, I recieve it and did everything I could to aquire it BEFORE resulting to using that nasty formula.
@@ms.anonymousinformer242 Just because la leche and others lie and guilt trip women trying to force them to be little housewives doesn't mean you have to fall for their lies. But do continue to be a little privileged snowflake while gleefully watching babies starve like the rest of the breast cultists
When I was 11 I lived with my family in a small rural town in Michigan. I broke my arm and was taken to our local hospital. The doctor that saw me was obviously very drunk. Even as a young girl I knew immediately that he was drunk because he got in my face and reeked of alcohol. He showed me and my mom the X-ray and said yep it’s broke. Thankfully he did not “set it” but he did put a brace on it with an ace bandage. He said go home and let it heal. I was awake all night in excruciating pain. My mom took me to an orthopedic doctor the next day where he set both the ulna and radius since they were broke in half and put me in a cast. I felt instant relief from the pain. He told my mom that I never would have gained full use of that arm again if she hadn’t brought me to him. I can’t imagine the pain you must have endured letting it heal on its own. I’m happy for you though that you are able to use it properly.
Hi there, not sure if you'll see this comment on an older video. As a geneticist, I'm very curious about the gene pool in the FLDS community. I've heard that a genetic condition called Fumarase Deficiency is more common in the FLDS community due to consanguineous marriages. Do you have any insight on endogamy/inbreeding in the community? Are your parents related at all? Have you seen any medical effects in the community related to the small gene pool? You said no questions are off-limits so I'm going there. Thank you!
I’m very interested in this as well! Hope they answer
You should email them in regards to this. Very interesting question!
Slightly off topic, but as a current biology student I’m curious about your academic and career path! If you feel like sharing I would be super excited to hear about it, as I have zero (0) STEM mentors around me
If you haven't gotten any response back from them I have a little bit of insight on this topic.
I'm unsure about Sam’s family but both the Jeffs line and the Jessop line both have evidence of inbreeding-related disorders. Rachel Jeffs (iirc) mentioned in passing in her memoir about some of the genetic disorders in her household.
She is one of the older children of Warren's preceding Rulin’s passing so that might be a good starting point. But I do think that the that weren't intimately involved with Warren werent subject to the interfamilial marriage until right before Warrens arrest.
Just a special interest please don't quote me.
Families that weren't intimately involved* typo
WIC often tests for iron deficiency. That's what he's talking about. It's done pretty regularly, monthly I believe. Hope this helps. Love your channel.
The bishop Fred Jessop's wife was the first doctor in the town. She was probably the one who assisted Sam's mom when he was born. Then another one of the bishop's wives became a certified midwife. And 2 barlow men became doctors. And Charlotte barlow also became a doctor. The hildale clinic eventually got an xray machine and a bunch of girls in the town became nurses. Also they have paramedics and EMTs just like any other town. I'm not sure why they wouldn't have put a cast on Sam's arm or sent him down to st George to the hospital. I had 6 kids when I lived out there and the medical care we received was excellent.
Are they still delivering at that clinic?
You are the best possible guys to educate outsiders on how the FLDS community functions. You have such sweet spirits. I just hope people realize how seriously disfunctional this community is. And how good people are hurt in there by bad people.
That fundie stare of the woman to husband is still so prominent. Im glad y'all broke free and living a better life!
I love how Sam doesn't rag out his childhood. I'm glad it was a positive one for him!
You sure had an eventful childhood. I agreed with your wife. Poor mom! She must have been the most skilled band aider out there. Bless her heart. ❤️ I sure hope your family didn't end up with loads of debt after the big accident. I know health care in the US can be extremely expensive. I have metastatic cancer and live in Norway where health care is free for everyone. I cannot imagine being as sick as I truly am and having to deal with putting my family in debt while getting chemo in order to hopefully prolong my life. Bless you for sharing your story.
Great videos ! I always thought of the FDLS as an abusive culture, your childhood doesn’t sound that way. Thanks for being respectful to your parents, and the culture you don’t agree with. We need more of that.
I believe it is way worse for girls in that culture
It is horrible for all! You need to look into this further before making such statements! Rape, physical abuse, lack of medical care, lack of food, and on and on!
I love your channel!! I recently found it and I’ve been binging! I love going back and listening to the old episodes and hearing all the different stories.
I have some friends raised in the FLDS and am thoroughly enjoying hearing your experience in it, as well as building your life after. You have barely a shortcreek accent at all! You two are absolutely darling and can’t wait to hear more!!Thanks for sharing your lives with us!!
They do check for iron at the wic office but in my city, wic is connected with the public health office so it was the same building for both wic services and vaccines. That may be how it was set up there.
I think ours was just wic services.
@@GrowingUpinPolygamy I know it's been a minute, but my family was on WIC as a child. As part of the qualification process, we all got basic medical screenings to screen for "nutrition risk" but while we were there we got vision and hearing tests.
Thank God you went to Vegas for the accident. I crushed my elbow as an adult and went to a small clinic in the Appalachian Mountains in Ny while on vacation. The xrays didnt show the crushed elbow and had to drive to SD to go see my Dr who was in the insurance network. They did an MRI and I had to have a titanium elbow put in my arm. I get it, so thankful you went to a major hospital.
So interesting! And it’s good to hear that the community supported necessary medical treatment
Yes WIC stands for Women Infants and Children they provide nutrition to low income fmailies as well as your MMR, (measles , mumps, and rubela) now they also do chicken pox vacinnations as well as all the others that are needed. As a low income young mom they helped with things like cheese, dried beans, milk, formula, cereal, peanut butter. etc. You would get vouchers to take to participating stores. I last used it as a foster parent. The program was for kids newborn - 4 years I believe. Great program.
Excited to hear the story about the "Accident"
WIC also does lead checks in high risk communities but not typically vaccines.
It is very interesting about your story.. that remind me that your FLDS communities comes to Dixie Hospital.. I have seen it also visit local (Dixie) doctors offices.. My Ex wife used to work at the Dixie hospital.. Glad you are doing great healthy :)
Definitely do a video on the accident! I need to know the whole story now.
Also, would just be interested to know about your life together now and how Sam's upbringing comes into play in day-to-day life.
I am totally shocked that the "doctor" didn't suggest any form of immobilization or splinting at all. Casting has been standard practice for decades. Plaster casts started being experimented with in the early 1800s. I'm guessing that casting was nearly universal by at least the 1950s, at least in places with access to medical care. Not utilizing splinting techniques leads to tremendous pain and often bones that don't heal properly. It's really surprising to hear that it was standard practice in that community NOT to use some sort of splint or cast.
Sounds to me like you were definitely blessed to be in your family...from what I have read your family is very...❤ different and unique
Ya'll are just precious. Love your videos and how loving, non-judgmental you are. Looking forward to the accident video. Thankful you are here to tell it. Sounds extremely serious.
Thanks, great video. Glad you were able to get the medical care you needed growing up. Looking forward to the video about your accident.
If I remember correctly WIC tests for iron levels to see if the child is eligible for additional foods due to low iron. WIC=Women Infant & Children
That’s interesting to hear, since I’ve heard the Kingston group - members were denied treatment for cancer and other illnesses.
I’m so glad to see this video. Anytime you guys post and I see it I click on the video right away.
Thanks Jennifer!
Thank you for this video! Ive asked you previously about this specific topic! Very good luck with your channel!
Omg, you two are SO precious!
Aww thank you!
WIC he's referring to likely was walk-in clinic.
If you broke your humerus bone in your arm, they don’t put a cast on it, just a sling and you need to keep it very still.
Interesting!
How were all of these huge medical bills paid? I doubt that conventional medical insurance would cover families practicing polygamy.
I don’t think I’ve ever clicked so fast to a video before
You are AMAZING! That was super fast! haha =)
I know lol I’m the same way when they post a video
I’ve been waiting on y’all to post ☺️ I was wondering after you left did you ever have a moment where you were like “I shouldn’t be doing this” ? The reason I ask is because I grew up in the Bible Belt so I went to a baptist church. I love rock music and scary movies and still to this day before I turn it on I think to myself “is this okay” . My house wasn’t strict at all so unlike some of my friends I was allowed to watch twilight and listen to AC/DC and 2livecrew. Even though I didn’t have a strict upbringing I still find myself questioning if I’m doing the right thing or not so I was wondering if other people do too
Our pleasure! Thank you so much for watching and supporting us! =)
@@GrowingUpinPolygamy I added an extra question before you responded. I hope you understand what I mean lol
Hi Tori! That is a very good question. I definitely had those moments of wonder/fear that I was doing something I shouldn't be. Because of the strict way of which I was raised, simple things like wearing a t-shirt or watching tv made me question if I was doing something wrong. It was almost like I was constantly waiting for a lightning strike to punish me for leaving, as I thought at the time, the only truth.
If no one can get married or have kids right now, how does that make sense with the basics of the religion?
Also, what does the FLDS believe about covid? Has it been a problem, or have they been able to stay sheltered?
Thanks for sharing all these stories, it's facinating!
Do you have any scar after your arm was broken? Did it heal properly?
You have just answered my questions at the end. Could be a lot worse.
As a very lively boy you did not have that many dangerous accidents. Luckily
WIC checks kiddos iron levels and sometimes sugar levels so kids often get a poke
The prick the kids get at Wic is to test for Iron levels.
Another very interesting one. Thank you.
Wic tests your kids iron for nutritional purposes
It’s good to know that they did use physicians and the hospital when needed.
Yes, but I think the FLDS definition of “needed” and mine are different.
@@BD-eu1id I agree, however some religions don't believe in any outside medical care at all. So it's at least something.
How do they handle health insurance in the FLDS? And what about women that need c sections? Do they still have a large number of kids anyway?
What about when you got sick from viruses (e.g. pneumonia, flu, hand foot and mouth, etc.) Or bacterial infections did you have antibiotics? Did you see a pediatrician for those common childhood illnesses or did you just not get sick much because of no school?
5:42 it’s gonna grow back 😂😂😂
You have great teeth considering you didn’t get to see the dentist very often as a kid
Haha thank you! When I left, I went and got braces. =)
Could be an iron test
What about other diseases/conditions like cancer, heart issues etc. Would they get treated?
How many other polygamist groups are out there that don't belong to Jeff's???
I’m an English 18 year old girl & I’m completely obsessed with you guys🤍
Awww thank you so much!
I'm curious. Sam, have you noticed any difference in your thinking or anything after your coma?
Maybe it was “Women and Infant Care” (WIC). Like if it was a birth center and care for mothers and small children that would be an appropriate nickname for the building
How is your arm now? Is there any long term damage to it?
I am curious about women who need medical help to get pregnant
Just to clarify, I am wondering if they either male or female were able to get help? Were they looked down on treated less than others if they couldn't have children? Thanks for answering
I’m new to your channel and enjoy watching. I’m not sure if you have been asked this question. If you went to visit your mother would you be welcome or is that not a possibility?
Such a beautiful couple
I think it would be really cool if you made a video about common misconceptions that the general public have about the FLDS or polygamy in general.
Yayyyy I love yall’s videos !
Thank you so much for watching!
You're both so lovely... for some reason I want you to have WAY more subs. Maybe a lifestyle vid so we can get a better sense of how you live? I'm on the fence abt showing kids - lots of controversy about that but yours are babies so it's less of an issue. I'd just love to see the life you've built more broadly. (Sadly, the way to hook peeps on YT is to get a little more controversial...)
WIC checks the child's Iron levels. My kids got WIC and that is what they checked
What is their instagram? I don't see it anywhere!
Sorry! We don't have a public one right now, but we will update you all if we get one! =)
I want to know about your elderly, where do the mothers go after there children are all gone
Most of the women are still married in their elderly years. If they do become widows when they are very old they will live with their older children.
Thank you so much for taking time out of your day to reply!
I love your content 🥰
Wic was testing there iron.
Did your family have health insurance? The Accident would have cost a lot!
Not sure if y'all have mentioned this in any other video but I would love to hear your perspective as to whether you think the religion is going to die out or not
Great video idea! I'll put it on the list. The short answer is yes, I think it will die out.
Seriously, WIC is the only place that thinks young children need to be checked for iron levels routinely
As someone from Canada, I’m really curious how if you know what would happen in terms of bills when someone went to the hospital? Did anyone have health insurance? From what I’ve heard of the cost of even going for a doctors visit that the cost for something like a serious accident would be very high. Thank you for making these videos!
He has explained before that most of the mom’s were not officially married by the state so they qualified as single mothers for some state funded things. Certainly in the USA most single mother’s qualify for medicaid which covers the kids and also can cover the mom for a much short time or up to a financial limit.
I’m wondering if anyone contracted tetanus out there?
Sounds like maybe you got a tb test. I think at least at some sights WIC can do that
WIC - the finger prick checks iron
Is it wieved as being unfaithful for the father who has more than one wife? And how can he have a intimate relationship with so many different women?
Do a video on it?
Hugs from Norway ( where this ( polygamy) is far, far from our reality)👍
Hello! It isn't considered unfaithful in their eyes because they are all their "wives" spiritually. And for them intimacy is primarily for bearing children, and they just have the mindset that being intimate with more than one woman is normal. This would be a great video topic! Thank you!
The finger prick was a lead test most likely lol
WIC would prick to test sugar for the kids. My daughter was tested once a year when we went.
OMG your poor arm! This "doctor" certainly broke his hippocratic oath there, and you suffered for it! Not even a darn splint!
Sam's a good guy but we now know he does have at least one crooked bone in his body. 😆 🤣
Wow. I'm an early bird today. Lol
You win an award for fastest comment! Thank you so much! We appreciate you!
@@GrowingUpinPolygamy lol I should have written "First."
Wic takes the kids blood suger
Hello
Women. Infant. Children. Up to age 5. Food. Mini physicals.
Not having your broken arm set - pathetic!
only the good ones get their cavities filled. eye 4 eye, tooth 4 tooth. 'tis life . --- you, bad child, eat flour and water and serve murdrrers.
Try not to lie about the qualifications of the doctor's. You are insulting Dr. Miriam. 🙄