I don't know if anybody has pointed this out or not, but if you ordered the revolver from Bud's, THAT IS a major problem as well. Their guns have many, many problems. I received a Beretta 96 from Buds 3 years ago and I couldn't believe it shipped. On top of the barrel was a 1/2" scratch thru the finish to the bare metal! I was standing in their Lexington store and I couldn't believe it. The customer service rep actually asked if I still wanted it. I told him if they knock 50% off I would. He talked to the manager and said they would give me 5% off or return the pistol. Hmmmm. Obviously it was returned. Finally after 3 weeks another one arrived. This was after I called twice to check on it. I mean heck this was their retail store with hundreds of pistols hanging on the wall. I asked if I could have one off the wall instead and they refused even tho it was the same price. I live close to their store and know many, many people who'd drive an hour in the opposite direction rather than buy from Buds. This may sound embellished, nope, not one bit. To this day I believe that they pass off blemish guns at full price assuming the problems will go unnoticed. I have bought from other sellers off GunBroker and have yet to have a single issue. Go figure....
yes I am amazed that the guns leave smith in this condition. one would think that S&W qc department would catch these before they leave the factory. the gap between the frame and barrel is something I have seen in local gun shops. it is hit and miss with the gap, I believe that I was told by S&W customer service their tolerance is up to .006 inch. so you may find one that has no gap, it would be one to buy. inspection before purchase would be required. on another note I recently purchased a RUGER sp101 3 inch. no cosmetic issues, and after 1 trip to the range no operational issues. 1 box 38 spl and 1 box .357 mag. I wanted to create a baseline on the first trip, a few days latter I changed the front sight to f/o and then did a trigger job. I am looking forward to next month's range session. I really like this sp101, in .357 it packs a punch in a small gun.
I wonder if Buds gets damaged guns for a large discount then? Then sells them at full price. If they can get away with it it'd be a hell of a profit margin.
@@whooper3336 Smith has sent out performance center revolvers with crooked and twisted barrels, broken front sights, blemished finishes and cracked frames. At this point nothing surprises me. The only way I'll buy one is if I can look at it in person before spending a cent.
Just saw both of your presentations, and thank you for opening my eyes wide !! I was a couple of weeks away from the same item purchase ! Although I always buy at the gun shop, this gives me great insight as to what to look for ! I am very interested in how this turns out for you ! Thanks !!
Smith & Wesson has the reputation of producing some of the finest guns in the world. They also come with a premium price for that reputation. So as a consumer with a UA-cam channel which is doing reviews on their product viewed by tens of thousands of people, I would demand that they live up to that reputation. I wouldn’t waste my time with middle management who obviously have no passion for the Smith & Wesson name or their reputation. I would send my complaint directly to the president of the company with a list of the names of people that you corresponded with, along with copies of all correspondence. I’m sure that their investors and future customers would be very interested in your outcome. Thanks for the video!
Really sorry you've had to go through this and the gun is still not to your liking. You seem like a good guy who's been more than patient. This bums people out who really want to purchase and believe in American Made.
It doesn't look like much has changed at S&W. About 20 years ago I bought a 686 and a 629 classic. The 686 would misfire at times and the 629 would when fired the cylinder would index ahead one round. They were sent back and S&W could not or would not fix either gun. I sold them to guys that wanted them for hunting. I bought a 5906 and it has been flawless.
Thanks for the update, the saga continues. Really stinks because I want this gun but can not find it in a store. I am now hesitant to order online because of your experience. Keep us updated. Trying going straight to James Debney, not that he would even be able to be contacted....good luck!
Almost ordered one of these from Cabela's. Thank you for posting this. S&W should be embarrassed and have made that 100% on the first return. Absolutely absurd to have to deal with this for any product. The time spent, aggravation, completely removing any enjoyment of a new purchase. FYI their plastic guns have plenty of issues as well... Pretty sad that a premium priced firearm requires individual hands on inspection to get a "good" one...
I purchased this same model revolver back in November 2011. I discovered after purchase that it had this same gap between the barrel and frame! It also had a canted barrel. I fixed what could be fixed and traded the gun. I have also seen Ruger GP100 models with the same problem; so, this is not unique to Smith and Wesson. The quality control problems with revolvers have been ongoing for many years. If someone really wants to purchase a new revolver, they have to COMPLETELY INSPECT the revolver at the gun shop, before purchase. Incidentally, I have not had good experiences buying from on-line distributors. Misaligned barrels, barrel frame gaps, excessive barrel cylinder gaps, poor finish, and timing issues are still among some of the more frequent quality control issues to be aware of. It is much easier to buy a new semi-auto pistol than it is to buy a new revolver. Also, even if the manufacturer did fix everything that was wrong, a much better customer service policy would be to build the gun correctly - the first time ! What they are practicing now is a customer DISSERVICE policy ! They force you endure the ongoing annoyance of having to contact them to provide you with the quality product that you already payed for. Anyone considering buying a new revolver needs to seriously consider the annoyance factor of getting it properly fixed, after you buy it. As much as I love revolvers, I have very little confidence in either Smith and Wesson, or Ruger.
well said, but that is not good news for me. I recently purchased a new ruger talo revolver online, have not received the gun yet, it is still in shipment. I did not realize ruger was suffering from the same disease. one of my earlier purchases of a ruger revolver was used bought at a gun shop. the gun was manufactured recently, it is pristine and looks great, I can only hope the online buy is as good.
If there was a crush washer/gasket to take up the space between frame and barrel, wouldn't it fill in the gap so you wouldn't even see light through there? Also after watching your last videos talking about the burr on the frame, I noticed one on my 586-8 on the frame right where the crane passes on closing the cylinder. Thankfully it doesn't make contact with anything but it wasn't something I noticed when I picked the gun up at my FFL. Have you heard anything back from S&W?
i have not actually seen the crush gasket, i was given this information by S&W customer service as to why the gap is present on my revolver. after the third trip back when i was promised that the performance center would correct the gap, i received the gun back with the gap still present, nothing was done by the performance center. i was told by customer service that the performance center found the gap to be acceptable. when i asked for a refund for the gun, i was told my only recourse was to write to james kelly director of customer experience. i have not written to him yet because i am fed-up with these people and their bs.
I can only thank God that I purchased two Smith and Wesson revolvers in the early nineties. One being a 649-2 and a model 66. Both have served me very well. However if you have to resort to buying product 25 to 30 years old, it's over people. I love Smith and Wesson but from what I been hearing and seeing lately is so sad.
Well after watching the follow up video I did put an LED flashlight behind the barrel to frame junction to see is was was any gap. There is none you couldn’t fir a hair between the barrel and frame.
They should’ve just replaced the revolver for you and problems solved, instead they choose to ignored it and they will lost a lot of business from us. I guarantee you that.
I believe it is the bean counters that figure this stuff out to the n-th degree. bad PR only hurts when it goes viral, that is what gets the bean counters attention. this case; first off we are talking revolvers, not what S&W considers its bread and butter. second 2600 gun owners that see this, the bean counters consider us acceptable collateral damage. lastly the guys that are in the revolver shop at S&W that have been there the last 30 years and are being squeezed to death because they are a dying breed. they have seen their area once the top dog loose out to the new world of plastic pistols.
....and these are $1,000 plus Revolvers. Shame on S&W. ~whooper, your problems would bother me as well. ~I bought a New S&W 586 in April 2016 and it's almost perfect. The only issue is there's a small patch of darker Bluing on the frame's right side just above the action's dust cover. I can live with that, since I didn't want to sent it back just to have them mess-up something else. ~I sure wouldn't kick Marilyn Monroe out of my bed just because she has a mole on her face. So, I call the darker Blue spot on my 586 a Beauty Mark.
what ive noticed is people who order this online tend to get screwed. you never know if these online retailers purposely send you a lemon. i jist bought a 686p in person and everything looked good but i noticed a model 60 behind the counter had a horrible barrel alignment.
yes, this is a Smith & Wesson problem, it is hit and miss with them when you order online. I have not noticed this problem with any other gun makers. so if you are looking for a S&W that looks correctly made and works well. buy in a gun shop.
I ordered a S&W 686 when it came I did not want it and got my money back after looking at it right out of the box. I didn’t even walk out the door with it I immediately saw the issues with it and asked for my down payment back. Everything I’ve seen in regards to its quality control was true. S&W you should be ashamed of the garbage your selling!
I had the same thing happen with a 617. It was a pain for the ffl because it had to go back. On the 617 the barrel was canted to the left, it was probably the shooting around corners model. I did not accept transfer.
They should change the model name from “Plus” to “ +/-“.... no excuse for poor workmanship... it would probably help if their employees that assemble their products spoke and could read fluent English...
If it was acceptable.....why didn't they say that from the beginning, they are more bs than poetry. You should NOT have to go through all this baloney, you did not get that gun for free. They STINK !
Brother, go find you a Smith made about 30-50 years ago with recessed chambers and a pinned barrel. The fit, finish and quality will be superior to the crap they are turning out now.
The guy at the local gun shop here ordered one for me the other day when it came in I went to check it out and pay for it and look for these defects sure enough a big old gap between the frame & Barrel along with a machine mark on the frame refuse to accept and pay for it he got mad at me and told me to never come back to his place of business what does this fool think I'm going to do pay for something which will then open up a box of worms for me to have to worry about damn this world's upside down
yes that is why i suggest to inspect the revolver prior to payment. back in the day purchasing a S&W revolver was simpler, unfortunately today due to the machining process, production quota's, and employee moral issues, revolvers are leaving the factory that should be stopped by Q.C.******************************** best advise i have found is if you find one and inspect it to your liking, then make the purchase, if it has Q.C. issues, pass on it till you find what you like.
There all lemons, at least the new 686. Made the mistake twice, first one was a 586 L comp pc, it had canted sights, barrel frame cylinder gap was ridiculous, and cracked frame under the crane. This was brand new from performance center... Bought a standard 686 talo and same issues. After talking to my local gunsmith he told how he once upon a time worked in the performance center. He told me it’s a constant rotation of apprentice gunsmiths that just made journeyman in the performance center. After they become somewhat decent they jump ship because the performance center is a joke.
yes .003-.006 is the sweet spot for me but at the current time i am not sure buying another 686 is the answer. i have seen a colt 2020 python in a local gun shop and she is a beaut. the shop is asking $1500 cash price $1580 cc purchase. last i checked colt lists the msrp at $1499 so i suspect the prices will be dropping by summer. hopefully colt will have the cylinder hand and double action sear issues worked out by then. as to the barrel crown being beat up i cant even understand how those are leaving the factory with that defect.
@@whooper3336 i mean a 686-3 or 4. These pro guns are mostly hipe.besides i hate that under lug. Should be all down the barrel You can trust an older 686 or present but that lock sure gunk's it up.
The best way to avoid getting a gun from Smith & Wesson that has issues up front, "from what I'm seeing on Utube", is not to buy any of Smiths products anymore!!! Problem solved!!! There's always Ruger revolvers!!! From what I've seen from my friends that have Rugers, they're excellent guns, and their built like a German Panzer!! Try 'em, you might like 'em!!!! Don't waste your money on Smith & Wesson, they're not a gun company anymore!!!
I purchased a new 442 no lock last year, it was utter trash and a horror show sending it back for repairs. Absolutely no more new S&W's. I feel for you and the issues you are experiencing. S&W is LOST when it comes to their revolvers.
yes it is sad. you would think since that is where they started they would have it figured out, but it seems their quality control on revolvers is out to lunch. my feelings now are hands on s&w firearm first, then if i like what i see i will buy. that rules out internet sale with s&w because anything can show up mostly junk.
no not yet, maybe cut another thread on the barrel pitch the crush washer and adjust the cylinder gap. it will be just like the older models. problem is smith should have done this.
U perches that gun new? No the solvents are not a problem. The gun has several area's where things can get in and cause problems. But all guns are prone to that. If u bought the gun used from buds? Then Smith and wesson probably don't feal they are responsible for it. But I thought smith and wesson was life time worenty. Well I know u wont a perfict gun ,but I have found their is no such thing. Evory gun I own has something that looks like a blemish on it some where. That gun looks great to me. Take it a shoot it. U may find it shoots very well. And if you're still not satisfied, have a trigger job done on it. And have the gun smith close the gap between the barrel and frame. I have noticed that most guns nowadays come from the factory with problems. Most bolt action rifles are not perfect. If u wont a high quality firearm u got to pay 2-3000.00 dollars for it. Browning makes a great rifle, the x bolt hell Kanon speed. Most rifles don't come bedded from the factory either. I'm thinking about getting a smith@weson m@p 22 lr pistol. But I'm not paying over 325 for it. And LORD willing I get it ,I'm going to oil the hell out of it. If u wont a gun to last ,u got to have oil dropping off your elbow. And I'm not one of those people who try to break or force guns to malfunction. I find it hard to believe smith and wesson is giving u a hard time about this barrel deal. If it were me dealing with u I would close that gap,even if I had to cut mettel off the tight side to allow for a tighter fit. I know doing that will cause the chamber to be closer to the barrel. But they could remove some barrel matteral. I think they don't won't to risk running the gun. Probably better to use a washer to space the barrel from the cylinder . .003 gap spaceing. I had a colt revolver that I wore the crane so much the cylinder touched the barrel and dragged . The gun looked great but it was not accurate at all.
I don't know if anybody has pointed this out or not, but if you ordered the revolver from Bud's, THAT IS a major problem as well. Their guns have many, many problems. I received a Beretta 96 from Buds 3 years ago and I couldn't believe it shipped. On top of the barrel was a 1/2" scratch thru the finish to the bare metal! I was standing in their Lexington store and I couldn't believe it. The customer service rep actually asked if I still wanted it. I told him if they knock 50% off I would. He talked to the manager and said they would give me 5% off or return the pistol. Hmmmm. Obviously it was returned. Finally after 3 weeks another one arrived. This was after I called twice to check on it. I mean heck this was their retail store with hundreds of pistols hanging on the wall. I asked if I could have one off the wall instead and they refused even tho it was the same price. I live close to their store and know many, many people who'd drive an hour in the opposite direction rather than buy from Buds. This may sound embellished, nope, not one bit. To this day I believe that they pass off blemish guns at full price assuming the problems will go unnoticed. I have bought from other sellers off GunBroker and have yet to have a single issue. Go figure....
yes I am amazed that the guns leave smith in this condition. one would think that S&W qc department would catch these before they leave the factory. the gap between the frame and barrel is something I have seen in local gun shops. it is hit and miss with the gap, I believe that I was told by S&W customer service their tolerance is up to .006 inch. so you may find one that has no gap, it would be one to buy. inspection before purchase would be required. on another note I recently purchased a RUGER sp101 3 inch. no cosmetic issues, and after 1 trip to the range no operational issues. 1 box 38 spl and 1 box .357 mag. I wanted to create a baseline on the first trip, a few days latter I changed the front sight to f/o and then did a trigger job. I am looking forward to next month's range session. I really like this sp101, in .357 it packs a punch in a small gun.
I wonder if Buds gets damaged guns for a large discount then? Then sells them at full price. If they can get away with it it'd be a hell of a profit margin.
@@whooper3336 Smith has sent out performance center revolvers with crooked and twisted barrels, broken front sights, blemished finishes and cracked frames. At this point nothing surprises me. The only way I'll buy one is if I can look at it in person before spending a cent.
I was going to purchase this same revolver this weekend at a gun show but I notice the gap and didn't purchase the revolver.
The old pinned Smiths are the way to go, company is sh*t now in terms of revolvers.
@@jbloun911
Absolutely, no pin, no buy. 😁
Everyone should be warned before doing business with S&W! I have had similar problems.
Just saw both of your presentations, and thank you for opening my eyes wide !!
I was a couple of weeks away from the same item purchase !
Although I always buy at the gun shop, this gives me great insight as to what to look for !
I am very interested in how this turns out for you !
Thanks !!
Does this affect function and reliability of the firearm?
Smith & Wesson has the reputation of producing some of the finest guns in the world. They also come with a premium price for that reputation. So as a consumer with a UA-cam channel which is doing reviews on their product viewed by tens of thousands of people, I would demand that they live up to that reputation. I wouldn’t waste my time with middle management who obviously have no passion for the Smith & Wesson name or their reputation. I would send my complaint directly to the president of the company with a list of the names of people that you corresponded with, along with copies of all correspondence. I’m sure that their investors and future customers would be very interested in your outcome. Thanks for the video!
WonderDean I could not have said it better myself. great minds think alike..... and weak Minds rarely differ. lol
I guess S&W forgot that the barrel gap is supposed to be between the cylinder and rear of the barrel...not between the front of the frame and barrel.
Helpful insight, thanks, and keep us posted if you can.
Wow I have the exact same gun and I just finished checking it out for defects. Praise God everything is OK
Sorry for your woes. Because of all the horror stories I don't buy new production Smiths anymore
Really sorry you've had to go through this and the gun is still not to your liking.
You seem like a good guy who's been more than patient.
This bums people out who really want to purchase and believe in American Made.
It doesn't look like much has changed at S&W. About 20 years ago I bought a 686 and a 629 classic. The 686 would misfire at times and the 629 would when fired the cylinder would index ahead one round. They were sent back and S&W could not or would not fix either gun. I sold them to guys that wanted them for hunting. I bought a 5906 and it has been flawless.
Thanks for the update, the saga continues. Really stinks because I want this gun but can not find it in a store. I am now hesitant to order online because of your experience. Keep us updated. Trying going straight to James Debney, not that he would even be able to be contacted....good luck!
Almost ordered one of these from Cabela's.
Thank you for posting this.
S&W should be embarrassed and have made that 100% on the first return.
Absolutely absurd to have to deal with this for any product. The time spent, aggravation, completely removing any enjoyment of a new purchase.
FYI their plastic guns have plenty of issues as well...
Pretty sad that a premium priced firearm requires individual hands on inspection to get a "good" one...
My question is what is the min max specs there. If it is within then they must know what the max is.
Did you ever get the issue resolved?
I purchased this same model revolver back in November 2011. I discovered after
purchase that it had this same gap between the barrel and frame! It also had a canted barrel. I fixed what could be fixed and traded the gun.
I have also seen Ruger GP100 models with the same problem; so, this is not unique to Smith and Wesson. The quality control problems with revolvers have been ongoing
for many years.
If someone really wants to purchase a new revolver, they have to COMPLETELY INSPECT the revolver at the gun shop, before purchase. Incidentally, I have not had good experiences buying from on-line distributors.
Misaligned barrels, barrel frame gaps, excessive barrel cylinder gaps, poor finish,
and timing issues are still among some of the more frequent quality control issues
to be aware of.
It is much easier to buy a new semi-auto pistol than it is to buy a new revolver.
Also, even if the manufacturer did fix everything that was wrong, a much better customer
service policy would be to build the gun correctly - the first time !
What they are practicing now is a customer DISSERVICE policy !
They force you endure the ongoing annoyance of having to contact them to
provide you with the quality product that you already payed for.
Anyone considering buying a new revolver needs to seriously consider the
annoyance factor of getting it properly fixed, after you buy it.
As much as I love revolvers, I have very little confidence in either Smith and Wesson,
or Ruger.
well said, but that is not good news for me. I recently purchased a new ruger talo revolver online, have not received the gun yet, it is still in shipment. I did not realize ruger was suffering from the same disease. one of my earlier purchases of a ruger revolver was used bought at a gun shop. the gun was manufactured recently, it is pristine and looks great, I can only hope the online buy is as good.
If there was a crush washer/gasket to take up the space between frame and barrel, wouldn't it fill in the gap so you wouldn't even see light through there? Also after watching your last videos talking about the burr on the frame, I noticed one on my 586-8 on the frame right where the crane passes on closing the cylinder. Thankfully it doesn't make contact with anything but it wasn't something I noticed when I picked the gun up at my FFL. Have you heard anything back from S&W?
i have not actually seen the crush gasket, i was given this information by S&W customer service as to why the gap is present on my revolver. after the third trip back when i was promised that the performance center would correct the gap, i received the gun back with the gap still present, nothing was done by the performance center. i was told by customer service that the performance center found the gap to be acceptable. when i asked for a refund for the gun, i was told my only recourse was to write to james kelly director of customer experience. i have not written to him yet because i am fed-up with these people and their bs.
I can only thank God that I purchased two Smith and Wesson revolvers in the early nineties. One being a 649-2 and a model 66. Both have served me very well. However if you have to resort to buying product 25 to 30 years old, it's over people. I love Smith and Wesson but from what I been hearing and seeing lately is so sad.
Well after watching the follow up video I did put an LED flashlight behind the barrel to frame junction to see is was was any gap. There is none you couldn’t fir a hair between the barrel and frame.
They should’ve just replaced the revolver for you and problems solved, instead they choose to ignored it and they will lost a lot of business from us. I guarantee you that.
I believe it is the bean counters that figure this stuff out to the n-th degree. bad PR only hurts when it goes viral, that is what gets the bean counters attention. this case; first off we are talking revolvers, not what S&W considers its bread and butter. second 2600 gun owners that see this, the bean counters consider us acceptable collateral damage. lastly the guys that are in the revolver shop at S&W that have been there the last 30 years and are being squeezed to death because they are a dying breed. they have seen their area once the top dog loose out to the new world of plastic pistols.
....and these are $1,000 plus Revolvers. Shame on S&W.
~whooper, your problems would bother me as well.
~I bought a New S&W 586 in April 2016 and it's almost perfect. The only issue is there's a small patch of darker Bluing on the frame's right side just above the action's dust cover. I can live with that, since I didn't want to sent it back just to have them mess-up something else.
~I sure wouldn't kick Marilyn Monroe out of my bed just because she has a mole on her face. So, I call the darker Blue spot on my 586 a Beauty Mark.
Did they ever make it right with you?
no
what ive noticed is people who order this online tend to get screwed. you never know if these online retailers purposely send you a lemon. i jist bought a 686p in person and everything looked good but i noticed a model 60 behind the counter had a horrible barrel alignment.
yes, this is a Smith & Wesson problem, it is hit and miss with them when you order online. I have not noticed this problem with any other gun makers. so if you are looking for a S&W that looks correctly made and works well. buy in a gun shop.
With all the problems, you can bet they're not making any money
I ordered a S&W 686 when it came I did not want it and got my money back after looking at it right out of the box. I didn’t even walk out the door with it I immediately saw the issues with it and asked for my down payment back. Everything I’ve seen in regards to its quality control was true. S&W you should be ashamed of the garbage your selling!
I had the same thing happen with a 617. It was a pain for the ffl because it had to go back. On the 617 the barrel was canted to the left, it was probably the shooting around corners model. I did not accept transfer.
They should change the model name from “Plus” to “ +/-“.... no excuse for poor workmanship... it would probably help if their employees that assemble their products spoke and could read fluent English...
If it was acceptable.....why didn't they say that from the beginning, they are more bs than poetry. You should NOT have to go through all this baloney, you did not get that gun for free. They STINK !
Brother, go find you a Smith made about 30-50 years ago with recessed chambers and a pinned barrel. The fit, finish and quality will be superior to the crap they are turning out now.
You might want to use compressed air in that gap when cleaning the gun, this will remove most if not all of it.
I think the point is the gap should not be there.
The guy at the local gun shop here ordered one for me the other day when it came in I went to check it out and pay for it and look for these defects sure enough a big old gap between the frame & Barrel along with a machine mark on the frame refuse to accept and pay for it he got mad at me and told me to never come back to his place of business what does this fool think I'm going to do pay for something which will then open up a box of worms for me to have to worry about damn this world's upside down
yes that is why i suggest to inspect the revolver prior to payment. back in the day purchasing a S&W revolver was simpler, unfortunately today due to the machining process, production quota's, and employee moral issues, revolvers are leaving the factory that should be stopped by Q.C.********************************
best advise i have found is if you find one and inspect it to your liking, then make the purchase, if it has Q.C. issues, pass on it till you find what you like.
Tell me where that gun shop is I'll be sure never to go there
There all lemons, at least the new 686. Made the mistake twice, first one was a 586 L comp pc, it had canted sights, barrel frame cylinder gap was ridiculous, and cracked frame under the crane. This was brand new from performance center... Bought a standard 686 talo and same issues. After talking to my local gunsmith he told how he once upon a time worked in the performance center. He told me it’s a constant rotation of apprentice gunsmiths that just made journeyman in the performance center. After they become somewhat decent they jump ship because the performance center is a joke.
.006 is in spec nothing wrong with gun just not as good as they used to be.
That is unacceptable. There should be a 006 or less from the barrel, not the frame. Buy reg 686. Shouldn't be an issue.
yes .003-.006 is the sweet spot for me but at the current time i am not sure buying another 686 is the answer. i have seen a colt 2020 python in a local gun shop and she is a beaut. the shop is asking $1500 cash price $1580 cc purchase. last i checked colt lists the msrp at $1499 so i suspect the prices will be dropping by summer. hopefully colt will have the cylinder hand and double action sear issues worked out by then. as to the barrel crown being beat up i cant even understand how those are leaving the factory with that defect.
@@whooper3336 i mean a 686-3 or 4. These pro guns are mostly hipe.besides i hate that under lug. Should be all down the barrel
You can trust an older 686 or present but that lock sure gunk's it up.
Another reason to buy used
The best way to avoid getting a gun from Smith & Wesson that has issues up front, "from what I'm seeing on Utube", is not to buy any of Smiths products anymore!!! Problem solved!!! There's always Ruger revolvers!!! From what I've seen from my friends that have Rugers, they're excellent guns, and their built like a German Panzer!! Try 'em, you might like 'em!!!! Don't waste your money on Smith & Wesson, they're not a gun company anymore!!!
I purchased a new 442 no lock last year, it was utter trash and a horror show sending it back for repairs. Absolutely no more new S&W's. I feel for you and the issues you are experiencing. S&W is LOST when it comes to their revolvers.
yes it is sad. you would think since that is where they started they would have it figured out, but it seems their quality control on revolvers is out to lunch. my feelings now are hands on s&w firearm first, then if i like what i see i will buy. that rules out internet sale with s&w because anything can show up mostly junk.
.0035 inch ???? wtf ??
Smith/wesson turns out junk now...I wouldn't buy one...
Ruger is the new number one
Bullshit. So did you just sell it?
no not yet, maybe cut another thread on the barrel pitch the crush washer and adjust the cylinder gap. it will be just like the older models. problem is smith should have done this.
s&w high quality all time
U perches that gun new? No the solvents are not a problem.
The gun has several area's where things can get in and cause problems. But all guns are prone to that. If u bought the gun used from buds? Then Smith and wesson probably don't feal they are responsible for it. But I thought smith and wesson was life time worenty.
Well I know u wont a perfict gun ,but I have found their is no such thing. Evory gun I own has something that looks like a blemish on it some where.
That gun looks great to me.
Take it a shoot it. U may find it shoots very well. And if you're still not satisfied, have a trigger job done on it. And have the gun smith close the gap between the barrel and frame.
I have noticed that most guns nowadays come from the factory with problems. Most bolt action rifles are not perfect. If u wont a high quality firearm u got to pay 2-3000.00 dollars for it. Browning makes a great rifle, the x bolt hell Kanon speed.
Most rifles don't come bedded from the factory either.
I'm thinking about getting a smith@weson m@p 22 lr pistol. But I'm not paying over 325 for it. And LORD willing I get it ,I'm going to oil the hell out of it. If u wont a gun to last ,u got to have oil dropping off your elbow.
And I'm not one of those people who try to break or force guns to malfunction.
I find it hard to believe smith and wesson is giving u a hard time about this barrel deal. If it were me dealing with u I would close that gap,even if I had to cut mettel off the tight side to allow for a tighter fit. I know doing that will cause the chamber to be closer to the barrel. But they could remove some barrel matteral. I think they don't won't to risk running the gun. Probably better to use a washer to space the barrel from the cylinder . .003 gap spaceing.
I had a colt revolver that I wore the crane so much the cylinder touched the barrel and dragged . The gun looked great but it was not accurate at all.
Lawyer time