Ep. 320 | The Beretta M9 - Go-to or Bygone?
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- Опубліковано 26 гру 2024
- Longstanding military service to Bruce Willis in the movie “Die Hard” (ok, technically a Beretta 92 for Bruce), the Beretta M9 has a storied history. This iconic pistol is as unique as it is effective. A full-size fighting handgun and classic by today’s standards, it is still incredibly practical and capable. Used and loved by many, there are some critiques. Tune in as we chat all about the Beretta M9, and what makes it one of the greats!
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The M9 is a legendary pistol. Their bad rep came from the poor maintenance in the military. The ones we had when I was in the army were abused, I hated them. I walked into my lgs, saw a M9a3, Italy made. Amazing pistol, and is now my go to pistol. I often carry 92x compact as well. They are both a dream to shoot.
Been looking for a 92x compact i have a full size hard to come by down here in soflo
After 9.5 yrs as a Civilian Armorer at Ft. McCoy, I had 1000's of these across my bench, going to and coming back from war fighting. The single biggest issue was the old sharp corner locking block cracking at that corner. There was a change out of the barrel and or locking block on those older pistols. We saw a few safety/decock levers broken off and weak recoil and main springs. With proper cleaning and lubrication, these are very reliable pistols. Limp wristing is and issue for function. Great job guys. I really think I "need" one of the newest versions. There are also guys that rework them for National Match guns.
Served in the Marines and have seen lots of live rounds stuck in a M9 because of a cracked/broken locking block.
The big radius locking block solved that issue, from my experience anyway.
@@KnuckleSandwichMint same here.
Did you see any broken trigger springs?
@@j.bernard6944 I personally don't recall any broken trigger springs.
Still one of the finest pistols to be made. Their bad wrap came from from ignorance , abuse, and internet rumor mill. I have four of them. They are phenomenal.
They are one of the smoothest factory actions and are crazy good suppressor hosts as they are not browning tilting barrel operated…
The slide mounted safety iS NOT a big deal. Few carry a DA with a safety on. The DA IS the safety….
actually ... the "bad rap" came from frame cracking on the original military run of them.
beretta had to mod the gun to prevent that.
the "ignorance" was on beretta's misunderstanding of the durability required for SOF use.
the "abuse" (as you call it) was standard military use in the special ops community.
the internet did not exist at that time.
i know ... because i was in SOF at the time.
and switched from the 1911 to the beretta.
the u.s. military switching to the beretta was purely political.
the u.s. wanted to maintain bases in italy, (nato, and the cold war) the italians, wanted
into the military money trough.
@@grayman7208 Guns getting a steady diet of higher than nato spec ammo than the gun passed trials on, is NOT the guns problem. Locking blocks NOT getting replaced at specified maintenance intervals is NOT the guns problem. Lowest bidder checkmate brand mags that were not sand/grit compatible is NOT the guns fault.
Beretta fixed a problem that was CREATED, not one that EXISTED. As to the Italian base issues, there may have been insinuated consequences, but that does not negate that the pistols passed all the trials ahead of its competitors… look at the current fail pistol, the M17…. Sig was chosen because it appears they SEVERELY underbid the contract. There are knowledgeable people saying that it looks like they will be LUCKY to BREAK EVEN…
The slide mounted safety is still an issue when your chain of command aren’t gun people and are understandably risk adverse due to officers and seniors NCO’s doing dumb shit with pistols.
If I could’ve gotten away with leaving the safety off on my M9, I would’ve, but when you’ve got a yell train from the 1st Sgt to the BC telling me leaving the safety off is “unprofessional and sets a poor example to your troops”, means I’m stuck with the inferior option.
The cool guys in Special Forces or hi op-tempo combat arms folks might’ve gotten away with doing whatever the heck they wanted, but the majority of the Army is still POG’s that oftentimes barely know how to safely point a rifle downrange and hit a pop up target at 200 meters, nevermind use critical thinking for carry and use of a pistol.
The safety is my only real gripe. Luckily Beretta makes a drop in decocker-only for my M9A1 😉
Durable as all hell, light recoiling, just such a great pistol.
@@sorryociffer
nonsense.
i was there.
beretta's were not built to handle the needs of u.s. military, when the contract was issued.
it's one thing to walk around wearing a gun you shoot once or twice a year,
and another to have a gun that can fire thousands of rounds a month.
month after month.
which is what socom does.
beretta's could not handle firing thousands of rounds a month.
as per the needs that the army contracted for.
they were cracking in both the receiver and the slide.
this IS a design flaw.
simple fact.
period.
I have a 92fs Centurion Beretta that I bought in the 90s. Still in regular rotation when I hit the range. I know modern pistol made with polymers is what most pistols are these days, but I like the feel of a metal gun.
I've been in the Navy for a little bit, both as officer and enlisted. I've heard the same gripes and rumor mill born complaints from both communities. Aside from the first time, I've always qualified expert with a Beretta. I don't know why people give it such a bad reputation. They're super easy to disassemble and maintain, and you don't have to be Jackie Chan to do it lol. I love that you guys are starting the new year talking about stuff other than hunting rifles, and I can't wait to see what comes from you all going in this direction!
3 Langdon LTT Elites, 1 Wilson Combat 92g centurion tactical, 1 92x performance with a Langdon trigger job, and a the compact 92x with the rail and i like all of the beretta 92 variants. People had some bad experiences from the service pistols but if you get your hands on these good 92s youll love them. Ernest Langdon with Langdon Tactical is like the beretta 92 god. Those LTT Elites they put out are smooth and flawless. Hes so good that even Wilson combat asked for his assistance in some cases. These are what beretta 92s should have been all along. I promise you if you've got bad experiences from the 92 if you get one of these premium 92s they'll change your mind and view of the beretta 92.
The LLT Elite isn't touched by Langdon. It's completely done by Beretta. Call up Langdon and give them your serial number. They'll confirm they never touched it.
I ordered mine directly from
Langdon Tactical and had the upgrades that they do done to it. I got the carry bevel package that you won't get if you just buy one off the shelf. Mine have the spartan sights and all the other special touches to it. It's the top of the line package they offer directly from Langdon Tactical Technologies.
BTW, the safety lever is spring loaded so a downward swipe similar to the 1911 WILL disengage it. By design. The decocker doesn't block the hammer. The rear portion of the 2 piece firing pin is rotated out of the way. And i carry 18 round Mec-Gar flush fitting mags.
We need a similar discussion about the p226.
The M9 and 92 are the same with two minor differences. The M9 has two dot sights where as the 92 has 3 dot sights. The M9 has a different finish known as Bruniton which is more corrosion resistant and duller. The evolution of both happened at the same time, mainly the F model becoming the FS which uses an enlarged hammer pin which keeps the slide from flying back if you have a slide failure. One of the best pistols ever made and one of my all time favorites.
My 92 FS has the 2 dot sights and the Bruniton finish with all metal parts including the recoil spring guide rod. It also has the flat head screws in the grip panels and the lanyard on bottom of the grip. It’s a USA made pistol. I don’t know what year it was made but I bought it used from a friend in 1992. I tried to check the manufacture date on Beretta’s website but it only goes back to 1988.
I think the dust covers are also slightly different if I’m not mistaken
The open top slide and various sculpting make it one of the best looking pistols in my opinion. I used, carried, trained and competed with it for 28yrs as a US Army Infantryman. The keys to success with it are to use good magazines that are kept clean, and replace the recoil spring periodically. The locking block issue is primarily a result of hotter mil ammo and nobody ever changing the recoil springs. If you have an old one with unknown round count I would update to the current 3rd gen locking block and spring kit which is $40. Another tip is to get some professional training. (No, you won't find that in the Army). Through external training and repetition, I built in a system where I disengaged the safety while establising my grip during the draw from the holster and also swept my thumb forward while pushing out to engage the target. This second part addresses possibly putting the pistol on safe while clearing a malfunction. My favorite memory is a competition the Italian Army put together during one of my deployments and beating their best shooters with their own pistol. The M17/M18 are nice, but my go to remains the M9.
Absolutely love my M9A1. I have smaller hands so i tolerate the safety but a decocker-only (which is how all DA/SA guns should be) makes it perfect.
-the cracked slides came from a very high round count of overpressured 9mm NATO ammo (winchester loaded NATO cases with a Luger powder charge).
-The M9 and P226 were roughly neck and neck during phase 2 trials, idk why so many people choose to be arrogant of this.
-the locking block issues were fixed _from Beretta_ but the Army wouldnt approve of them since it would have been a TDP change.
-ive been told grunts used them as hammers for tent stakes. No matter what gun is chosen, the lowest common demoninator is going to _abuse_ it. The M60 is another example of a good gun that wasnt maintained so it has a bad rap with certain people.
Theyre great guns, theyre fully modern just like every other offering next to it at your LGS, id recommend picking one up if it fits your hand (and fitting ones hand is truly the biggest difference between different models)
Love the 92 series just picked up a 92x. Had a 92S and was flawless!
Love the focused look at specific firearms. Keep it up! Lead ballon’s, WSSM’s, 9.3x74r
Yes, 9,3x62 and 9,3x74R. Classic big game cartridges without being overkill.
Agreed, you need more revolver content! I’ve recently gotten into revolvers and they’re fun! Like a manual transmission car!
Gorgeous lines. Slightly heavy. Thick in the rear. Like a fine Italian girl.
Absolutely go-to.
I love my old Beretta 92s (old Italian police service pistol). It is just a beautiful pistol to shoot. Everything about it is just smooth and it feels like an extension of the hand. I also however love my full size IWI 941 Jericho in 40s&w. One is like a fine wine, the other like a crude bottle of hooch. Both will get you there, but very differently
I have loved the Beretta 92 ever since my Military days. I also have Fullsize Man sized hands, unlike the Podcaster on your show with the little tiny hands. I also have no problem with reaching the safety. My EDC is a 92FS with an 18 +1 round MecGar base pad and magazine that gives me 19 rounds with a flush fit magazine. I trust my life to the 92 and it has a way better trigger than any striker fire pistol.😊
My 92a1 is my most cherished pistol. Having small to medium size hands, adding Wilson Combat Ultra thin grips and an extended mag release button made it a whole different gun to handle and control. The D hammer spring and G decocker spring took it to a whole new level! Plus thanks to the weight, if it runs out of ammo you can use it as a club or crappy boomerang! It did come with factory 17rd mags and the Beretta 30rds are very cool because they extend the grip into the magazine!
Found a new love for the 92 thanks to Ernest Langdon. had a little expereince with it in the Army and was not super impressed. These days, I am a Beretta M9/92 full blown fan.
Self professed Beretta fan boy here. M9 had straight dust cover before Pic rail was added, whereas 92FS has angled dust cover from rear to muzzle. Beretta folklore is some of the best on the Net lol.
The M9 is a very reliable pistol. It won the DoD consecutive firing competition in the mid 1980s by a huge margin. I carried one in Afghanistan and it never presented an issue. It was also the tightest M9 I shot. The mid 70s design is clunky by todays better fitting pistols and that loosely translates into better accuracy. No matter how well a firearm fits, without enough training it won’t matter much what our troops use.
Beretta 92FS/M9 is the best pistol EVER made!!
The Browning Hi-power was a double stack. Came out long before the 92-M9
I love mine, definitely think a resurgence of this classic is comming.
I just bought a Taurus PT92 AFS-D. Beautiful gun and fun to shoot. I like the safety decocker on the frame better.
The decocker is a beretta factory option and has been for as long as I know of, it is called the g version and it was usually a police option, I have a few of them and because I have small hands I prefer this model.
Same. I bought a second hand M9A1, only thing I did was swap the safety to a decocker. I have small hands so I cant thumb the safety off as easily.
Lethal Weapon vibes 😎🤘🇺🇸
If you did a podcast on the Beretta M9/92, then you have to do one on the CZ 75!!!
I EDC a derivative, a 92X Centurion, and I absolutely love it. It's got some LTT magic, which makes it such an easy handgun to shoot. It's going to go to LTT for a dot conversion, or I'm going to get an LTT compact dot slide.
I went through 3 M9s while attending the SRT course in the Army. Locking blocks denigrating became a real problem with high round count M9s in the Army. Most complaints were simply that the grip frame is just too large for a lot of shooters, especially for a 15 round capacity. The other training issue with the M9 is shooters inadvertently engaging the safety when racking the slide. This was changed with the 92G decocker only models.
I stayed away from 1911’s till i was in my 30’s because my dad always said they were not accurate “better off throwing rocks” being a direct quote. First time I shot one that wasn’t worn out military issue I was amazed. Very little recoil too. Great ergonomics. Point being anything wears out eventually. And all weapons need development. Look how much the M-16/M4 has evolved over the decades.
Definitely. Tragically, many units in the Army didn’t have a good maintenance culture around their handguns and didn’t replace/service parts and components at the times that they should have. Many M9 components were pushed way past what they should have been in terms of usage and/or time.
News flash to the uninitiated. The Army NEVER has had enough school trained armorers . When an MOS is undermanned, priority of fill or manning goes to those units closest to the tip of the spear vs those least likely to see combat. Many units will take a soldier and designate them the armorer. Also, a unit Commander, company and above, can force their weapons through the system to get a depot rebuild if they are persistent. I did that with my .50 cal machine guns and M9 handguns, and my worst rifles. How? History of the weapons. Everything has records and yes, at some point everything warrants a depot level inspection. Depot MUST repair, rebuild, or remove from inventory, that which cannot be rebuilt. I got an ARCOM for doing that for my battery, and later my battalion as the maintenance officer. Yes, it was a pain and a 2yr process. Yes, most officers do not know how logistics works. Logistics often must be FORCED to support. It really is sad.
That’s why ALL weapons in the military should be maintained by well paid civilians.
@Hattiesburg9333 I served for 28yrs and saw how the "transformational force" absorbed MOS losses in order to retain combat brigades. Been counters cutting the size in total people. That explained a lot of critical MOS shortages. However, it was not al ways that way. When the Army was bigger, everyone had armorers and it functioned better. Civilians are great for certain things, but if they do a task and I deploy, it now becomes a liability. Desert Storm and Bosnia exposed that with many MOS cuts. Politicians are always screwing up what works.
Probably mentioned elsewhere… but the M9 is a phenomenal handgun, and gets a bad reputation from some former members of the US military… a US military which, in general, doesn’t maintain its handguns well (outside of a few select elite or handgun specific units with actual competent members and armorers) and is full of service members that really aren’t as educated/competent with firearms as they believe (and aren’t aware of that themselves). I’m not trying to come across as mean or aggressive, but I can’t tell you how many M9’s I saw that were ruined and abused by armorers that were just an “armorer” as an extra detail/duty, and not because they were actually truly skilled armorers. I say this as someone that developed a competency for firearms and hunting outside of the military and eventually became a US Army officer. Now, have there been positive changes over time to make the M9 series better? Of course. Every firearm goes through that. But even then… the M9 series is a great handgun at its core. It would not surprise me if in 10 years some former military members have the same cynical opinion for the M17/M18; not because the M17/M18 is a bad pistol, but because they were handed a specific gun “just for qualification” that had not been properly maintained over the years by the services themselves.
Darn you guys ! ! ! I watched this last night so... naturally I hit my favorite hobby shop. With just the slightest of arm twisting to myself the shop requested a pair of M9's ;-) They don't order, now it's a request. It's a good bet they won't be sequential serial numbers and no idea if made in the U.S.A. or Italy, but no matter I can flinch with either just as well. Love your vids
Commissioned into Armor branch and now transferred to Military Police. So I have shot more m9 than the m4. I love the M9……with my own mags. No garbage milsurp mags. My personal M92fs compact has some wilson parts and langdon thin grips and oh boy does it feel good to shoot.
A manual safety is a good thing!!!!
The first M9 I shot, in the Marine Corps , the back sight fell of that was in 1985. Currently have a LTT 92 Carry, one of my favorite carry pistols.
Damn and that was a new one im sure...
If memory serves, I believe it was Clint Smith who said that no gun is small & light enough to carry but big & heavy enough to shoot. Forgive me if the quote isn’t exact but the gist of it is the qualities of a pistol are diametrically opposed. I personally grew to love the M9, having carried one for 20 years as a military policeman. Is it perfect? Absolutely not, nothing is, but it’s a great pistol, very accurate and very reliable as well.
One thing missing in the discussion was the variants of the 92. There are too many to list so just to condense, the main variants were the 92F (decock only), 92FS (or M9 which is the safety/decocker), the 92D (double action only) and the Vertec (which slimmed the grip down significantly by eliminating the hump on the blackstrap). The 93 is select fire and fires in either semi or 3 round bursts so it technically isn’t a machine pistol, depending on how strictly you adhere to the definition. It is a brilliant design nonetheless. Great video overall, I enjoyed seeing you guys show some love to a great gun!
BERETTA 92F is the old model of the FS (full security). The "decock only is the 92G. BERETTA KIT G can be mounted on any 92 model though. Regards.
@@sergionatali3071 Thanks for the correction. I was going off memory and apparently my memory isn’t what it used to be.
Love the Beretta!
I just a few months ago purchases the Girsan Regard MC aka Beretta clone, let me say phenomenal quality, smooth and accurate as all get out. Base start at about 4 - 450$. The upper end $550 maybe 6, gets you a threaded barrel, dovetail front sight instead of fixed and a little more flash & flare... grips etc. Base come w 1 18rnd mag ithers up to 3 I've seen depending... Absolutely noteworthy alternative, all them even have metal guide rod instead of plastic like Beretta now use, but thats a small thing, can't blame Beretta in this economy.
5:40 you do push down to sweep it off safe. you can do the same thumb motion to flick it on and off.
In regards to Mark’s accuracy question, the M9 is now being used in Bullseye shooting in addition to the 1911.
There are several ‘smiths out there specializing in M9 accurizing . Don’t recall the cost in relation to the 1911.
One simple word to describe the M9/92
“Timeless”
One of these and another Browning hi-power are on my bucket list.
I used to hate them from having to qual with a M9 that was about as tight as a maraca and looked like hell to match. It was a terrible experience having that be only the second time I ever shot a handgun. But getting to shoot a Langdon Tactical customized 92 and recently seeing a Wilson Combat customized Centurion really changed my mind on them.
I’m sure you know this, but that’s the fault of military bad maintenance practices… not the design itself.
I almost bought one of these when I was younger,but instead bought my s&w sigma 9mm. The m9 cost more used then my smith did new.still love the lines of these Berettas
I have owned a 1976 Beretta 92, a 1978 92S and a pair of consecutively serial numbered 92SBWs in 1984, it is probably the most dependable pistol I have owned. The SB series differs from the M-9 in that it kept the rounded trigger guard.
I carry one daily. 92FS Brigadier variant. No complaints. It still runs 110%. Just maintain it and use good, not GI, magazines, and rock n roll. Get some slim VZ grips. Big difference.
As aircrew, I could choose between an M9 and a 226. Both were great guns, and I carried the 226… but nothing shoots like an m9 on qual day lol. Other than a cz75, I can’t think of a better shooting pistol.
The baretta 92fs is my all time favorite pistol, but my edc is a glock19. I shoot the 92 better but for edc i found the glock is a better fit for my usual everyday attire, but i won't shy away from the 92 in the winter time when i'm wearing heavier clothing. Great pistol and most of the kinks have been worked out over the years.
That’s my favorite intro.
Love the videos. Might want to consider a subject matter expert. Many additional points you just were not aware of. Many I am sure I am not aware of either. G decocker and why, Ernest using Berettas in competition, steel frame X version, work great suppressed, and great for recoil sensitive shooters. Lastly I think revolvers were the reliable gun in a day when most semis were not. Totally different in 2023. Keep up the great work, thank you.
M9 is my favorite handgun of all time
Love these videos! Maybe do a 1911, mossberg/Remington video next please
The LTT model is absolutely fantastic! Personally, I think mounting a red dot on this iconic pistol ruins the sexy lines.
Lmao love that hearing lose story. I didn't have my ear pro in far enough one time and went off with a 45 I've been ringing since doesn't bother me really.
Revolvers: they will always have a place for _big_ cartridges, because no one can fit a 45-70 into an autoloading pistol, but personally i would gravitate towards a 10mm or 9x25mm pistol before i got a revolver for serious things. Even something like a small J-frame doesnt seem as viable with things like the G42/43, Shield, P365 and the like.
In 1976 the 1911 was my service pistol. It's my CCW now. So, the M9 will be with us for a long time too.
i believe the browning high power was one of the first "double stacks," if not the first.
The Hi Power was the first hi cap 9mm. FYI
Model 96 with a .357 Sig conversion barrel is criminally underrated
Browning Hi-Power next!
Have the M9a4 and I freaking love it. Have a 19x love that too
the walther p38's grandchild with a much improved trigger
Great video! 🖤Wilson Combat also offers a 92 package. I have a 92X compact (G version) that I haven't shot yet. As cool as they are, it is hard to pick these over the more economic Glock 19 for a defensive pistol, especially since Beretta doesn't offer a true subcompact to go with the 92 series like Glock does with the Glock 26/42/42x. More holsters and accessories for the Glock as well. But I think the DA/SA platform has some real advantages as a defensive pistol.
Glock 17 is 25oz. In comparison the 92fs or LTT is 33oz. The CZ Shadow 2 which is the golden standard of race guns is 46.5oz, some race gun 2011s are 50oz. The Beretta is metal BUT its aluminum framed, not steel framed. It's light enough to be carried AIWB or as a duty pistol, speaking from experience. However when you put a 4oz light on it, a 3oz red dot, and an extended mag, that quickly turns into a 40oz + pistol and then it's not that fun to have on the hip all day. But even then it's possible, I know plenty of guys who do carry it that way everyday. I take off the light for AIWB, throw on the X300 for duty or the nightstand.
the CZ-75 would be a great gun to review!
I think the majority of people who gave or give the Beretta 92/M9 a bit of flack are those who were only familiar with old, worn and tired service pistols from being in the military and law enforcement.Working with just BEATEN examples with the crappiest of aftermarket replacement parts.
The people who praise them the most are those who later were reintroduced to unmolested examples and shot one in their true glory. I went from hating them to owning 3 going on 4 of them in different variants.
Love this pistol. I showed up at my local steel shooting competition and got laughed at until I get second place in class next to multi-thousand dollar race pistols 😂
In the intro “across from me” was actually correct!
Still my favorite.
Not left-hand friendly in my opion. I got a Landon tactical edition with a awsome trigger job done on it. My off hand thumb puts pressure on the trigger linkage on the right side making the trigger heavy
Try using better grips with spacers. Im a lefty and have no issues with my m9
Jet lee- lethal weapon 3. Interesting little story behind it. Scene was his idea to add to the movie
Had an FFL for nine years. In the heyday of the 92 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
check the web there is a company that has an optic ready plate that fits the rear sight slot
Great episode as always but I think it’s hilarious that this episode is about a handgun that ISN’T the P320. Can’t wait till episode #870 where you guys talk about the Mossberg 500 😂
I hate to chime in like this, but there's a BIG oopsie around 13:48 regarding the reason for the barrel tilt.
Great video, great handgun. I have a 92 FS, two tone with rosewood grips. Gorgeous and shoots great.
Ryan I don't know about Jackie chan and Rush Hour but I do know that Jet Li does take apart a baretta with ine hand in Lethal weapon 4.
Nice video, great conversations and info. Wish you would of talked about its barrel vs a traditional grove and land, maybe some other pistols on the table to compare, it’s fatter than it seems. But I’m splitting hairs.
I like how the topic of uspca shooting, shows how your preferences might change in time. I don’t think you need to carry a competition gun, but it should be similar in feel, controls and action definitely. 👍
Great episode. I have one comment if I may, RELIABILITY. it is a trigger for me when I hear automatics are just as reliable as revolvers. This is patently false. I love all guns. But I won't make false statements. Anything with a slide or a magazine will be less reliable than a revolver. I won't even get into how finicky some autos are with ammunition, some are very finicky. A revolver will fire any mfgr. you feed it. A revolver will fire stuffed in your jacket pocket, and through your pocket or through her purse, or pressed up against his belly in a scuffle. The same can not be said of an auto. The first time you get a round " stove pipe " on you and you have to apply immediate action, I will remind you that you are probably dead if the perp has a revolver, because he's not gonna have any feed issues.
You guys did a great job on this episode, maybe grab that .357 and do a revolver segment? I'd like to see some .327 coverage as well.
Isnt the 93r burst vs auto glock 18?
My first pistol I owned was a Taurus 92 afs. And i shot it in upsa for about 2 years.
If you are going to carry some bigger pistols, such as me with hands that just plain are too big to hold anything even slightly compact you make concessions. Sometimes that is simple as the shirts you wear or location you can carry, but I’ve found it’s pretty easy to grab a duty/service holster and just carry at 3 o’clock never had an issue concealing that either.
It is a good pistol. I am 6'2" so never had a problem shooting it and thought of them as an accurate pistol. I do believe that striker firearms at a lighter weight make much more practical carry though. If I want a super accurate semi-auto pistol, I would choose a 1911 that has been done up.
I seem to be the lone dissenter here. Over the course of a 22 year armed career with two agencies, I've been issued the Beretta twice. Once as the M9,once as the 92fs. Beretta is a big no for me. The Army pistols were beat and, I was prepared to give it a second chance doing jail transports. The first officers to qualify were unable to qualify. The guns were 100% failure. All the springs had to be replaced along with the floor plate of every magazine. We used them lightly for 7 years and they became nearly unserviceable regarding point of aim point of impact changes. I was never a fan of the double/single action trigger or the safety decocker. The safety should be a safety (on the frame) and the trigger single action only.
Edit: Regarding the random comment about the appendix, many doctors suspect it's a refuge for beneficial gut flora to hid in during diarrhea.
If I ever get a handgun it will have to be a Beretta. All those childhood movies.
Love my 92 with Langdon trigger bar snd red dot. Probably my favorite larger frame piece. G model is the only relevant mode for most people nowadays. The saftey needs to go. Also this frame is definitely not people with small hands but fit me fine
Ive always shot the 92 platform more accurately than anything else...most natural feeling gun to me
Is true that a lot of the issues for the M9 in the military were the crappy mags they were initially issued with?
The DOD aquired magazines outside of Beretta which were known for having issues with sand. It was a problem caused by the DOD being stupid.
I have an m9a3 and love it, but the Glocks I own get more use!
Lethal Weapon 4, Jet Lee, did the Beretta 92 takedown of Mel Gibsons gun.
Doesn't work like that in real life. Go through frame by frame and you'll see that the disassembly lever was already turned down. The slide was forward and not lined up with the back of the frame
Let's see a head to head cz 75 vs beretta m9/92
What is that suppressor tool called? I want to get one 🤣
This pistol probably has received more undeserved hate than just about anything else I can think of. Its a great pistol, that got sabotaged in a lot of ways. Kinda like the AR-15/M16...
I prefer the forward/up off safe style. Drawing from a holster it 'almost' automatically moves to the fire position.
You don’t sweep the safety “ up” , you push your thumb forward and it springs up on its own
Just picked up Beretta 92SB
$400 Italian police trade-in from classic firearms
Although I do like shooting the Beretta, the safety/decocker/double action is a bit much for me. For EDC I will take Glock every time.
10 minute talks or one podcast about the following;
284 Winchester
280 remington
6.5x284
280AI
M9A3 seems updated enough.
Revolver vs semi auto reliability depends on a few things, obviously the particular specimen and the other is what the use case is. Do you plan to push it into a bears belly and squeeze off a round? Revolver is better as it won’t get pushed out of battery. Do you plan to put rounds into the bear before it gets to you? Semi auto is better as you have more rounds on tap to do it. It’s just a matter of what scenario you think is most likely and pick accordingly, you can get both in models that are very reliable so it really depends on such obscure scenarios to separate them.
The fact that the Beretta was $200 more than the 17 or M&P9s is what pointed me away from them. Still a super cool gun and I wish I was Paul Harrell.
I love my m9a4