It's a disadvantage to be drafted #1 overall in the 2017 NFL Draft | THE HERD
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- Colin Cowherd lays out why it's not good to be drafted #1 overall in the NFL Draft.
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It's a disadvantage to be drafted #1 overall in the 2017 NFL Draft | THE HERD
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Who would you take with the top pick this year?
Colin Cowherd Jamal Adams
Didn't cam go #1? He has an MVP
Tennessee went 9-7
Jonathan allen deserves to go top 3. If he doesn't someone's gonna get fired when he's a savage
he went 3 jake long went 1
I don't know lol, 15mill seems pretty life changing to me....
Nah, you start hitting those 40%+ taxes in the millions.
You completely missed his point, it's all about relative earning potential. The big money, after the introduction of the rookie contract scale, is in the second and third contracts.
In more concrete terms, he's saying that the present value of future earnings is *probably* higher if a QB gets drafted 13 to the Cardinals or 25 to the Texans vs 1 to the Browns or 2 to the 49ers.
Dennis Zhan due to better coaching, which is his point. On that I agree. But not many teams with good coaches usually have the first pick. Even a team like the Pats in '08 who lost Brady still won 11 games.
Colin said $15mill over 68 years isn't life changing, but that's $220,000 a year to spend. How is that not life changing? That's 4 times more than the average American yearly household income. That doesn't even include sponsorships and the fact that even if you do bad someone might pick you up as a backup.
Colin i dont know what type of money youre making but 15 mil is pretty life changing
He's talking about it from a performance perspective obviously. When you're drafted #1, you have all the pressure on you and that can negatively impact your performance.
if u can't live off $15 million for the rest of ur life...u deserve to be broke...
Preach bro
MrJreed1000 Understand that the worse your team and the shittier the franchise or location the more they will spend to either stand out or feel better..... For example once you are hot stuff making money getting Gatorade commercials and such, there will be more people taking you out to dinner than you paying for them. When you are in buffalo and nobody knows your face because you wear a helmet in the games and you get smoked every year in your division it will get to you. A lot of these players have been told they were the greatest thing since they were in pop warner
MrJreed1000 his point is in comparison to what you will get in your career if you go to a team with a good coach and have success
250k a year? Ima be living like Larry
I don't wanna be the #1 anything if I have to play for the Browns
How about now
I don't always agree with Colin, but when I do it's not with his analogies.
Exactly
I think his analogy is the opposite - if your taking over the family business your going to that "winning culture" with a program that works. If your carving your own way as a #1 QB just like when you go your own direction the path isn't so clear - lots of coaches, and G.M.s fired, and you have a very short career yourself. His analogy makes more sense if unless you have a clear path for yourself or have just insane ability like Peyton Manning you should actually wish your going to play for a Bill Bellichik or whoever so you can take your time and learn the playbook.
You forgot Ron Rivera who picked #1 in 2011. Give all the facts straight before you try to make your point brah
Cole Boykin He did say success for 15 years. Cam's career has been up & down plus he just had surgery on his throwing shoulder. Not saying that he is...but an argument could be made, Cam is the worst QB in his division right now
Cole Boykin Not Really
Cole Boykin Cam has less to work with
Cam had only 1 stellar year.
Cole Boykin Are u dumb, cam took the most hits since he got in the lg, KB is OVERRATED, CAM IS THE RUNNING GAME.
Yes Colin.... that's kind of the whole point of the draft.... the worst teams pick first :/
strong Brett1 Yeah I thought everyone understood this, but apparently it's groundbreaking news to Colin.
strong Brett1
Colin was actually pointing this point out to QBs that say they want to be drafted 1st. I think we can all agree that anyone looking forward to being drafted by the Browns is not very informed.
Took him 55 years but he finally figured it out.
cody beane u missed the point completely buddy
242okil Like Luck making the playoffs his first season and three in a row, or Cam making the playoffs three years in a row and a MVP season?
Gotta strongly disagree... Eli Manning, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Matt Stafford, Mike Vick, Carson Palmer, Jamarcus Russell, David Carr, Jameis Winston, Sam Bradford, Couch and Jared Goff are all the qbs that have been drafted #1 since peyton. Majority of them made/making tons of money and are/will be starting qbs for 10+ years. Too many people have a hall of famer or bust view on top picks which doesnt make sense.
Forgot Alex Smith
Gold RKT11 excellent excellent poiny
Tennessee went 9-7
I love how Colin leaves certain things out so he sounds smarter. Leaves out Eli and Cam.
Landon Collins #LockDown #GOAT So two QBs who went #1 out of god knows how many makes Colin wrong?
ohh and Eli and Cam aren't that great.
Huntersauros Eli asked to be traded away and cam had one great year
Eli wasn't a top 5 QB ever in his career
Well Eli was traded from Chargers too the Giants. So he didn't stay with them, and he said 15 YEARS. Cam has really only been successful for 4 years
I wouldn't want to be drafted by the browns to go play quarterback. most likely your career will be over in a year or two
Crakka Da Jakka could you come up with a more unoriginal, negotiable statement?
Watching what's happened with Mahomes, Watson, and Jackson vs Trubisky, Mayfield, and Darnold, wow, is this looking brilliant insight. Has aged very well.
Well Matt Ryan went 3rd overall so...
BUT I agree with you
He should've mentioned Jim Plunkett when speaking of players who've rebooted their careers
man, i've got to say that you are good. i really appreciate how you can look at something different than most and still make perfect sense! i'm glad we have you to listen to via your show. keep knocking it out of the park!
I would agree but Eli won 2 superbowls. Newton and Luck could be considered in good careers.
MCali05 Alex Smith is doing well now in his second half of his career. Matthew Stafford has been great since he’s been drafted
1 team for 15 years? So we're starting with the year 2002? Eli Manning has been with the Giants his whole career. 2 Super Bowls. Matthew Stanford has been with the Lions his whole career. A couple playoff appearances and pro bowls (and throwing to Calvin Johnson). Cam Newton has been with the Panthers his whole career. MVP and Super Bowl appearance. 15 years is too long of a stretch of time.
Mike’s Music Reviews Eli Manning didn’t play for the team that drafted him...so it really makes no sense in this case...
I get what you're saying but Mike McCarthy isn't an elite coach by any stretch of the imagination
Only advantage for a top pick is the money and that's short term, id rather get drafted by a top tier organization like the Patriots or Seahawks who have great cultures established where players can thrive and progress...
The only disadvantage is the pressure teams get to reach for a prospect. Most of the quarterbacks taken early have no business being taken so high.
doesn't the average person make about 2 mill in there life time , so 15 mill for the rest of your life. sorry collin but i think ill take that.
Roman Arturo 15 million isnt enough to live on forever life
22 million for 68 years? are you kidding me? Give me just 1 million and I could breeze through that without working.
Bongo same I would invest every single dime
alexchilled I wish America worked like that. Your going to have to give at least half of that $ to the government
Bongo invest every single dime? what you going to do when them investments fail?
No you wouldn't
Neji1984 lmao yeah I would. 68 is easy..could do 100+ in a different country. and I'm talking about 1m after taxes...
He didn't talk about Ron Rivera and Cam Newton
I don't know about this one. I would rather have the 30m.
They don't do that anymore
Cam is the exception.
nematon there have been plenty of great qbs taken #1 Colin's just real stupid
Bonker Bincklton Roman Gabriel, Terry Bradshaw, Jim Plunkett, Steve Bartowski, John Elway, Vinny Testaverde, Troy Aikman, Drew Bledsoe, Peyton Manning, Michael Vick, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Alex Smith, Matthew Stafford, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, and Jameis Winston are all good-hof qbs. That is 17 of 25 #1 Qbs since 1962, the beginning of the modern era of football. That is a pretty good turnout imo.
nematon listen to what he says at the 4 minute mark.......
Styles G if alex even gets us to a super bowl i can see it happening
Styles G if alex even gets us to a super bowl i can see it happening
Andrew Luck and Cam Newton are on that track
Jay Samples only people with football knowledge see this. Most of these 'haters' disagree about them 2, but they'll 100% be in the hall of fame and have 2 rings between them.
Jack J
Maybe Cam. Unless Luck finds a new team he will be held back and at this rate his career will end early from an injury since they don't want to give him an O Line.
Cam was drafted and still has the coach he was drafted under. Whoever gets picked this year won't have that luxury. They'll have 3 different coaches in their first 5 years.
Jay Samples id say cam would at least after 2015 but seeing him go right back to how TE panthers played before then in 2016 doesn't make me think they'll be winning one soon and that '15 was a fluke
Lavar Ball#GOAT#2.2##BETTERTHANMJ
Matt Ryan
That coach argument is stupid! If you are drafting #1 overall that means your team sucks so that is why the coach is likely to be fired his team isn't winning. That is why they have the #1 overall pick in the first place. You are terrible you change narratives to support your arguments! Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Eli Manning fit your criteria they will be with or have been with one team 10-15yrs and make pro bowls and super bowls. You tried to discredit Luck but he is a stud and got that big second contract like you said #1s don't get! Can just went to a super bowl and Eli has won 2.
Optimus Prime
So you somehow didn't understand his point?
He clearly said be careful what yoy wish for (talking to a QB who wants to be picked 1st)
As in you'd be stupid to want to be picked by a team that is dysfunctional and will likely change coaches within your first 2 years. As in it won't benefit you as a QB to have to carry a sorry team while switching coaches every year.
Get it?
It makes perfect sense.
I get his point I'm pointing out that he is wrong! If you're a first overall prospect QB you have to believe you're what can change around a franchise. look at the teams getting high picks every year none of them have good QBs. A good QB goes a long way in changing around the state of a team. As a confident QB you have to think you can make the difference.
Actually Luck proves Colin's point wrong! The Colts were 2-14 so they got #1 overall pick and in Luck's rookie season they went 11-5 and made the Playoffs. Luck also made the playoffs the next two years. As a QB you want to be the guy that does that. The Colts organization didn't do their due diligence and improve the roster but the Colts are still competitive every year with Luck at QB.
He loves Luck, don't know what you're talking about
im surprised he didnt bring up lebron!
Nick Martinez "LEBRON IS A FRANCHISE PLAYER" 😂 I would have died
UnBR0k3enAngel lmao mad funnt
Well, not all number one overall picks become stars, it just means that the player is the first player selected in the draft. First always doesn't mean best.
I think the drag should be completely randomized or at least put in to tiers and then randomized so it would limit the tanking
What about a running back or wide receiver?
bill obrien is not on the hotseat
😂😂
Awesome you hit it on the mark
yes I'd rather play for those hc but I won't get playing time. they are at the bottom because they all have stable qbs
When you were talking head coaches who got their guy, what about Ron Rivera and cam?
I think I've been waiting for the "It's okay to not have a successful family" speech for yearss thank you
Whoever said they wanted to be the QB of the Browns? LOL
15 mil is kind of life changing. That's probably more money than I'll make in my lifetime...
Eli Manning?
braau13 but wasn't he technically drafted by the chargers?blah blah blah
I hate when people say that, he's always been a giant.
yossi schwartz he is still a number one overall pick
braau13
So because Eli Manning was successful that means a QB should want to be drafted first by the Browns?
jacob alterman but got traded
Ray Lew why does that matter? If you are drafted number one, and get traded, you are still the first pick on the draft.
Damn, I kind of agree with you.
Straight up truth
Brees wasn't a 1st round pick. he went 1st overall in the 2nd round. He also got it together in years 4 and 5 in the league when the Chargers drafted Rivers and the pressure was on. He was the number 2 qb on the 2006 free agent market.
Colin says "always" weird. He says "allwehs" 😂😂
What about Ron Rivera w/Cam Newton? 2011 #1 draft pick...not fired
After college would you rather work at your dad's successful business and know you would make good money or go after your dreams even though the money would not even be as close (under $35k)?
I inherited a business from my dad at a young age and yeah, you never get a chance to be 20. Straight to 30.
Eli?
Kevin Heuston and making it 15 years is pretty stupid anyway
Kevin Heuston great volume player, struck lighting in a bottle twice. Road his elite pass rush to the superbowl twice. always been ranked somewhere between 6-11 in the league at QB. was fortunate to cry his way to a winning team/culture in the draft.
Cold Winter really he had nothing to do with passing for TD to win those games? How about his Elite D went along for the ride
And he isn't the first nor the last to not go to a certain team and the way I see it he made the correct choice
Cold Winter Eli put up historic playoff performances during both his SB runs. He's one of the toughest players in the NFL, hasn't missed a game in years. Definitely a future Hall of Famer.
Cold Winter
Giants defensive rankings:
2007: 17
2011: 25
Not to mention the 32nd best run offense in 2011. Eli carried that year...
and from 26~32 picks, only Big Ben and Drew Brees are old enough that you can get your shot in a couple of years... the rest of those guys are still relatively young... if I was a QB, I wouldn't want to wait and waste away like Garoppolo, I know he's learning from Tom, but still... can't waste all the good years on the bench...
what about cam newton
Look at that boy Goff now
"Aaron Rogers, elite coach" AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What if your dad's business is your dream lol? My dad owns a successful funeral directors, it's what I always wanted to do since a kid. Going on my 15th year now and still loving it.
His analogys really get u think doe thats y i like collin so much 😁🙄
Eli succeeded at the same team too. Also alex smith and carson palmer both rebooted their careers at other teams
Yeah but they can't choose who drafts them
Can Newton is Legend.
all of this is so true about sam bradford...
I don't want Trubisky, but the Browns have a good offensive line now & Hue Jackson is a good coach.
Right idea but some of the stuff like "$15M isn't that life-changing" is flat-out stupid. Going to a good team with a good coach is more likely to lead to a second contract than going to a bad team with a bad coach. which more than makes up the difference. That being said, neither is guaranteed and the difference between 1st overall and 25th overall money is massive.
Its never a bad situation picking first.
Of course it's a disadvantage, especially for a qb. That's why they get more money. That's why Jackson actually wound up in the best spot. Then Rosen. Oh, there are no questions about Cam. He will be a HOF'er. Cam set the gold standard for what a rookie qb could aspire too.
What about Ron Rivera?
I understand in America theres a culture around the draft that doesnt exist in other sports/countries. But honestly, looking in, i cannot understand why a player would not deliberately make himself look bad to avoid going early. Especially if youre a quarterback. Traditionally on average 3 QBs go in the 1st round. I would be doing everything i can to be to considered the 3rd best.
Hes absolutely right and cleveland always has high draft picks and they are a qb boneyard
But one of the reasons why QBs don't get picked late in the 1st round by those good coaches is because that team already has a QB
15 million dollars is life changing. Is more than what 5 mid/high-class people win combined in their entire life.
It's Mitchell, not Mitch. GIVE THE MAN SOME RESPECT.
SeattleSuperSonics#BringBackMySonics maybe he likes being called mitch
Collin I honestly don't know what you are talking about.good teams trade up for a better pick specially at quarterback all the time as its the most key component in a team. you cant just assume they are walking to a bad team. on top of that it is always to go number one as you are getting paid more! if you really have the talent teams will trade for you and try to acquire you . people are chasing money and you are missing the point.
Id just like to say, Eli and Tom did have a pretty good run for awhile
Winston looks like he will be successful for a while.
nunya2587 agreed
My dream was to inherit a business, sadly it went belly up. :(
Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Eli Manning all are doing well while going 1st overall. Also, Jameis Winston is not half bad either.
Jamis winston I believe will find success with a young bucs team not instantly but eventually he will win something I hope
100%, unless of course the Patriots (or another good playoff team, I guess) trades up to get an early draft pick.
Mathew stafford
Colin's mindset is so just in a way he limits himself to only sports. Look forward to hearing his view on other topics
Are McCarthy, Carroll, and Payton really elite level coaches though?
I think he is off about the Cam comment
Very true. Elway went number one in 1983 and he struggled for a long time before he really became great. In today's NFL even Elway might not have had the time to properly develop. Alex Smith was extremely fortunate to resurrected by Harbaugh and then Reid. He was written off as a bust here in S.F. Alex Smith had HORRIBLE coaches in S.F.
sooooo ron rivera and Cam Newton have done nothing?
15 million dollars isn’t life changing, has to be the most privileged thing I’ve heard.
Hue Jackson is actually a great coach. He's great with quarterbacks, and the team played a lot of close games with the worst roster in football by far last year
So Colin is basically saying if you're a rookie QB you want to go to a good team. Thanks for that groundbreaking statement Colin lol
Eli Manning you could argue had pretty sustained success. 2 super bowls with no loses and multiple winning seasons and only played for 1 team.
I feel bad for the poor guy who has to go to Cleveland tonight.
cam
Haven't watched yet but wonder if he'll bring up lebron
Makes zero sense because most of the last 7 coaches don't need qbs
I just want to make it clear Mularkey earned the 18th pick not the 5th.
Bill obrien isnt on the hot seat
Wow interesting Colin, the teams at the end of the round have good coaches, and the teams at the beginning don't. Nice analysis!
Also, you forgot to mention Alex Smith with the QB's who have resurrected their careers.
Colin, last i checked, the Titans traded for that pick 😂
Going to the Browns is a disadvantage. 1st pick or not. Winston seems good so far
you have 2-3 friends period.
and with the number one pick the Browns trade 4 1st round picks to get Richard Sherman
Too bad you don't choose where you go
It's obvious that the good teams don't fire their coaches when they went 12-4. So is it really the "elite coach" that made the elite QB? Or isn't it more likely that the elite QB saved his coach from getting fired. Next.
Stafford? Eli? Newton?
Colin “in the burbs” Howard