Belief, repentance, confession and full body immersion in water are the things necessary to be baptized Biblically in order to gain salvation. Babies are not capable of belief, repentance or confession. Acts 2:38-41, Mark 16:16, Matt 28:19. That`s just one doctrine Catholics and Protestants (except maybe Church of Christ) ignore. People, stay out of Baal temples and if you see a priest or preacher coming your way, grab you wife, your children and your wallet and go to the other side of the street. You`d be safer in a tavern.
Then that would be a works-based salvation instead of a grace-based salvation. The thief on the cross did not get baptized with water, but was saved. The concept of infant baptism is based on Matthew 18 and 19.
AlexKenas You are wrong. First of all, you first must repent of your sins then be baptized. Babies, and frankly, teenagers are incapable of repentance, let alone belief. Second, you are against works, in order to gain salvation. Isn`t baby pouring or sprinkling, under the guidance of a "godfather" an act, therefore a work? What if the baby grows up to be a homosexual, thus violating God`s Law? What happens to the godfather? He`s responsible, under Catholicism, right? Regarding the thief on the cross, he lived in old Testament times, as did Christ. By the way, Christ violated the pharisaical law constantly. He is the Lord, and as such, He can use the Law as He sees fit.
1fanger So babies and teenagers, those in the latter category do make independent beliefs, are doomed to Hell? A baby who grows up makes his/her own decisions as the sons of Eli, Samuel, and David proved. The parents and guardians must raise their children to follow the faith, which Ephesians 6 says in regards to fathers. CCC 1254 "For the grace of Baptism to unfold, the parents' help is important. So too is the role of the godfather andgodmother, who must be firm believers, able and ready to help the newly baptized - child or adult on the road of Christian life.55 Their task is a truly ecclesial function (officium).56 The whole ecclesial community bears some responsibility for the development and safeguarding of the grace given at Baptism." It is grace that saves us as Romans 3 and Ephesians 2 say. The Law died with Jesus on the Cross as Romans 7 says.
Demetrios Avdalis But Peter is the head as Christ instituted him. The primacy of Peter is very important. Why did the Orthodox Church split from Peter?
Why baptize babies?? A baby is not grown enough to understand and also where does it say in the bible that babies must be babtized, and I don't think they sprinkeled water in babtism
Simply. They don't return to bible. They have their own doctrine. But if we say this to them, they will deny it. But in fact they deny what Jesus taught in the Bible. His words, his way, should never be changed by anyone. Even the apostles baptized a lot of believers according to Jesus teaching. This is sad. Word of Jesus should be our foundation of faith. Not word or rules of pope.
The word baptize means to submerge. Just pouring water on a persons head is not baptism. It's like me saying I took a bath today. Then someone said, you don't have a bathtub in your house. So I said I took a shower but it's the same thing. Is it? Try to convince someone they are the same. It's the same thing when Catholics try to say they had been baptized when really the were sprinkled. Believe the Bible, not man.
The Catholic Church teaches that the mere physical performance of a sacrament is insufficient for salvation and that it comes from God's grace (paragraphs 432 and 1996) It teaches that the unbaptized can be saved regardless of being catechumens by repenting of their sins, following the New Testament teachings, and by desiring to receive the sacrament. Paragraph 1260 confounded me for a while because it says that those who die ignorant of the Gospel but desired to follow God's will can be saved by God's grace. Matthew 12 and Luke 8 support this view.
AlexKenas The Catholic church isn't the church of Jesus Christ. Jesus hates religion and Catholicism and Christianity are What? Religions. He said to follow HIM! Not this false prophet blasphemer.
Jesus does not hate religion, He hates division. He said, True religion and undefiled is this; to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world. Jesus loves true religion. but he hates the Catholic "religion".
What a confusion of the biblical covenants. Attaching such efficacy to water baptism is the result of misunderstanding the nature of circumcision. It is to confuse the old covenant with the new. If baptism is so important what exactly was the position of those who believed in Christ before the institution of the rite? Where they, too, not born again? Makes one wonder why Paul said that he came not to baptise but to preach the gospel.
I beg forgiveness. In the Name of Jesus and Mary, I plead peace, love, and sincere and truthful reconciliation. Please God, please have mercy on me, I mean it with all my being. I don't deserve it, but I only receive it, just because you love me. I must STRESS and insist with STRONG and PROFOUND conviction: I DO NOT DESERVE IT; I only receive it as a sinner. I am NOTHING; You owe me NOTHING, I am only a sinner, I am only misery, I am only stupid and meaningless wretchedness; but YOU LOVE ME GOD FATHER and I am always grateful and full of joy because you saved me, because YOU LOVE ME. Amen.
Glory thief...star of remphan, Dagon fish hat. True King 777 was no rich vatican son So Thankful to know more who world true enemies are...transhuman lucifer temple a trap, ghost in shell
Heavenly Father in the name of Jesus I pray that you would lift the scales from the eyes of the precious souls entangled in the vile and satanic institution that is the roman church and lead them into the knowledge of your TRUTH. You must be born again. Amen
I don't know why Protestants always have to start an Argument. Do your thing, we do our thing. Why do you care? All you do is pinpoint the mistakes of the Catholics, for what? The Church came first before the Bible, and all you do is base your faith in a Catholic-made book. It doesn't matter what's right or wrong, what matters is your faith in Jesus and you follow Him just as how He reveals to you. The Church must be built on Love, not with hatred and finding mistakes. Jesus said love one another as I have loved thee. That means you should love all Christians, even Muslims, even Jewish, even Buddhists, and even Hindus. This is why the Church has been shaken because Christians started looking at sins instead of love. The sins of Judas is not the sins of all disciples. Before you call a Church Satanic, you should also know that you are doing the will of the devil which is hatred instead of doing the will of Jesus which is to Love.
Baptism is more for the parents and godparents than for the child. Our God is so wise. The child being baptized doesn't really know anything that is happening except that he is held by the mother and holy water is poured on his forehead. What is striking here is that it is a commissioning for the witnesses to start living holy because it is for them a challenge to show the baby the essence of being a Catholic. Beautiful isn't it. It is like hitting 2 birds with 1 stone. Thank God for this grace.
@Moe Gibbs the Catholic church does not claim exclusivity in salvation. A person even if he is NOT baptized can be still saved will depend on the divine discretion of God but to bs a baptized member is a huge advantage.
Rome either interpolates its own beliefs into the Church Fathers, takes the Church Fathers grossly out of context, or ignores the Church Father’s own statements which clarifies their position, that being, regeneration comes prior to baptism.
Balderdash! We are "born from above" in "water and the Spirit" (cf. John 3: 5). John the Baptist, Jesus Christ, Sts. Peter and Paul, Sts. James and John, St. Augustine, St. Gregory of Nyssa, St. Gregory Nazianzus, St. John Chrysostom, St. Cyril of Alexandria, Didymus the Blind, St. Leo the Great, St. John of Damascus, St. Maximus the Confessor, St. Thomas Aquinas, et al AGREE that the Holy Spirit and God's grace are communicated to us in faith and baptism.
+QuisutDeus. mpc, thank you for spreading historical knowledge, although I wouldn't include John the Baptist's baptism as for communicating the Holy Spirit yet. St. Cyprian of Carthage (bishop and martyr - died 258) was worth of mention though for confirming in one of his letters that infant baptism was an established fact, and that in a former conciliar consensus all had judged that *the mercy and grace of God ought to be denied to no man born.*
The Big Pope always clutching it up with the amazing life stories. He needs to collab with the big Dhar Mann.
Belief, repentance, confession and full body immersion in water are the things necessary to be baptized Biblically in order to gain salvation. Babies are not capable of belief, repentance or confession. Acts 2:38-41, Mark 16:16, Matt 28:19.
That`s just one doctrine Catholics and Protestants (except maybe Church of Christ) ignore. People, stay out of Baal temples and if you see a priest or preacher coming your way, grab you wife, your children and your wallet and go to the other side of the street. You`d be safer in a tavern.
Then that would be a works-based salvation instead of a grace-based salvation. The thief on the cross did not get baptized with water, but was saved. The concept of infant baptism is based on Matthew 18 and 19.
AlexKenas You are wrong. First of all, you first must repent of your sins then be baptized. Babies, and frankly, teenagers are incapable of repentance, let alone belief. Second, you are against works, in order to gain salvation. Isn`t baby pouring or sprinkling, under the guidance of a "godfather" an act, therefore a work? What if the baby grows up to be a homosexual, thus violating God`s Law? What happens to the godfather? He`s responsible, under Catholicism, right? Regarding the thief on the cross, he lived in old Testament times, as did Christ. By the way, Christ violated the pharisaical law constantly. He is the Lord, and as such, He can use the Law as He sees fit.
1fanger So babies and teenagers, those in the latter category do make independent beliefs, are doomed to Hell? A baby who grows up makes his/her own decisions as the sons of Eli, Samuel, and David proved. The parents and guardians must raise their children to follow the faith, which Ephesians 6 says in regards to fathers.
CCC 1254 "For the grace of Baptism to unfold, the parents' help is important. So too is the role of the godfather andgodmother, who must be firm believers, able and ready to help the newly baptized - child or adult on the road of Christian life.55 Their task is a truly ecclesial function (officium).56 The whole ecclesial community bears some responsibility for the development and safeguarding of the grace given at Baptism."
It is grace that saves us as Romans 3 and Ephesians 2 say. The Law died with Jesus on the Cross as Romans 7 says.
AlexKenas Paragraph 1255, I made a typo.
Jesus and nearly all male Jews and nearly all male Ishmaelite's were circumcised in their Infancy , what for then?
I thank God I was baptised an orthodox Christian. It has not changed from that of Christ's teachings.
Demetrios Avdalis
But Peter is the head as Christ instituted him. The primacy of Peter is very important. Why did the Orthodox Church split from Peter?
Maria Malhotra The Orthodox church is no different than the anglican or all the others tbh
Zac C. Yes it is different...it has Apostolic Tradition from the time of Jesus. It is not heretical. However, it is schismatic.
Maria Malhotra well the Anglican’s argues that they’re apostolic too
Zac C. That's a false claim. They have Henry VIII as their founder.
Thank you Pope Francis and Father Owen Kennan for explaining to us about baptism.
they are wrong.
Peter Kane This is just soooo wronge
No mention of original sin. Hmmm
Do the child knows the meaning why he or she to be baptize. 🤭
Why baptize babies?? A baby is not grown enough to understand and also where does it say in the bible that babies must be babtized, and I don't think they sprinkeled water in babtism
Ga ohema Yep. Amen.
Simply. They don't return to bible. They have their own doctrine. But if we say this to them, they will deny it. But in fact they deny what Jesus taught in the Bible. His words, his way, should never be changed by anyone. Even the apostles baptized a lot of believers according to Jesus teaching. This is sad. Word of Jesus should be our foundation of faith. Not word or rules of pope.
The word baptize means to submerge. Just pouring water on a persons head is not baptism. It's like me saying I took a bath today. Then someone said, you don't have a bathtub in your house. So I said I took a shower but it's the same thing. Is it? Try to convince someone they are the same. It's the same thing when Catholics try to say they had been baptized when really the were sprinkled. Believe the Bible, not man.
The Catholic Church teaches that the mere physical performance of a sacrament is insufficient for salvation and that it comes from God's grace (paragraphs 432 and 1996) It teaches that the unbaptized can be saved regardless of being catechumens by repenting of their sins, following the New Testament teachings, and by desiring to receive the sacrament. Paragraph 1260 confounded me for a while because it says that those who die ignorant of the Gospel but desired to follow God's will can be saved by God's grace. Matthew 12 and Luke 8 support this view.
That's why when Bill Clinton said he smoke but didn't inhale I believed him.
only1gumpy
I don't know about you but I was baptized after Jesus and I was baptized in the holy spirit.
AlexKenas The Catholic church isn't the church of Jesus Christ. Jesus hates religion and Catholicism and Christianity are What? Religions. He said to follow HIM! Not this false prophet blasphemer.
Jesus does not hate religion, He hates division. He said, True religion and undefiled is this; to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world. Jesus loves true religion. but he hates the Catholic "religion".
Dios vendiga al papa y a la iglesia catolica ,apostolica y romana!
Completed
What a confusion of the biblical covenants. Attaching such efficacy to water baptism is the result of misunderstanding the nature of circumcision. It is to confuse the old covenant with the new. If baptism is so important what exactly was the position of those who believed in Christ before the institution of the rite? Where they, too, not born again? Makes one wonder why Paul said that he came not to baptise but to preach the gospel.
People forget that the word baptism means to clean and not just to immerse
I beg forgiveness. In the Name of Jesus and Mary, I plead peace, love, and sincere and truthful reconciliation. Please God, please have mercy on me, I mean it with all my being. I don't deserve it, but I only receive it, just because you love me. I must STRESS and insist with STRONG and PROFOUND conviction: I DO NOT DESERVE IT; I only receive it as a sinner. I am NOTHING; You owe me NOTHING, I am only a sinner, I am only misery, I am only stupid and meaningless wretchedness; but YOU LOVE ME GOD FATHER and I am always grateful and full of joy because you saved me, because YOU LOVE ME. Amen.
Jorge Campos Woah woah woah. In the name of Mary? The Bible says nothing about praying to Mary. Only GOD.
The name of salvation only in Jesus Name. Even mary needed Jesus to save herself.
American Heritage bible dictionary, the Anchor Bible dictionary . baptized meaning = impression.
Glory thief...star of remphan, Dagon fish hat. True King 777 was no rich vatican son
So Thankful to know more who world true enemies are...transhuman lucifer temple a trap, ghost in shell
Amean
Heavenly Father in the name of Jesus I pray that you would lift the scales from the eyes of the precious souls entangled in the vile and satanic institution that is the roman church and lead them into the knowledge of your TRUTH. You must be born again. Amen
Michael D rosa amen amen amen.
I don't know why Protestants always have to start an Argument. Do your thing, we do our thing. Why do you care? All you do is pinpoint the mistakes of the Catholics, for what? The Church came first before the Bible, and all you do is base your faith in a Catholic-made book. It doesn't matter what's right or wrong, what matters is your faith in Jesus and you follow Him just as how He reveals to you. The Church must be built on Love, not with hatred and finding mistakes. Jesus said love one another as I have loved thee. That means you should love all Christians, even Muslims, even Jewish, even Buddhists, and even Hindus. This is why the Church has been shaken because Christians started looking at sins instead of love. The sins of Judas is not the sins of all disciples. Before you call a Church Satanic, you should also know that you are doing the will of the devil which is hatred instead of doing the will of Jesus which is to Love.
that's interesting because I thought baptism was a second birth.
Even Birth of the Spirit...
@@hmc.yiyelzedekalphametamor550 You are right. It is. Second birth.
anti Christ
Says the Mortgage finance guy lol
Yes. A False Prophet.
Baptism is more for the parents and godparents than for the child. Our God is so wise. The child being baptized doesn't really know anything that is happening except that he is held by the mother and holy water is poured on his forehead. What is striking here is that it is a commissioning for the witnesses to start living holy because it is for them a challenge to show the baby the essence of being a Catholic. Beautiful isn't it. It is like hitting 2 birds with 1 stone. Thank God for this grace.
@Moe Gibbs the Catholic church does not claim exclusivity in salvation. A person even if he is NOT baptized can be still saved will depend on the divine discretion of God but to bs a baptized member is a huge advantage.
Amen
Rome either interpolates its own beliefs into the Church Fathers, takes the Church Fathers grossly out of context, or ignores the Church Father’s own statements which clarifies their position, that being, regeneration comes prior to baptism.
Balderdash!
We are "born from above" in "water and the Spirit" (cf. John 3: 5). John the Baptist, Jesus Christ, Sts. Peter and Paul, Sts. James and John, St. Augustine, St. Gregory of Nyssa, St. Gregory Nazianzus, St. John Chrysostom, St. Cyril of Alexandria, Didymus the Blind, St. Leo the Great, St. John of Damascus, St. Maximus the Confessor, St. Thomas Aquinas, et al AGREE that the Holy Spirit and God's grace are communicated to us in faith and baptism.
+QuisutDeus. mpc, thank you for spreading historical knowledge, although I wouldn't include John the Baptist's baptism as for communicating the Holy Spirit yet.
St. Cyprian of Carthage (bishop and martyr - died 258) was worth of mention though for confirming in one of his letters that infant baptism was an established fact, and that in a former conciliar consensus all had judged that *the mercy and grace of God ought to be denied to no man born.*
Look at those dictionaries please Pope sir.PRAISE THE LORD
There is no exorcism in Latin rite Baptism. Paul V1 had removed exorcism. How long Catholics have to endure this joker ? Lord have pity on us.
Please Nesassary Imerssion Baptized Rule pass All R C M Churches pope franchise sir.