JUNKYARD 6.0L LS CAM TEST-STOCK VS BTR TRUCK (STG 1-3) VS LS3 VS SLOPPY STAGE 2 VS (BIG) COMP 469
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2025
- HOW TO PICK THE RIGHT 6.0L LS CAM. WHAT LS TRUCK CAM WORKS BEST? HOW TO MAKE MORE LS POWER. WHICH LS CAM ADDS TORQUE? HOW WELL DOES THE SLOPPY STAGE 2 CAM WORK? WHICH IS BETTER, THE STOCK LS3 CAM OR BTR TRUCK CAMS? CHECK OUT THIS 6.0L CAM SHOOTOUT COMPARING SOME OF THE MOST POPULAR CAMS OUT THERE. THIS TEST SPANS THE LIMIT OF 6.0L CAMS THAT FIT THE STOCK PISTON-TO-VALVE CLEARANCE. I COMPARED THE STOCK 6.0L (LQ9) CAM TO THREE (EARLY V1) TRUCK CAMS (STANGE 1-3) FROM BRIAN TOOLEY RACING. i THEN COMPARED THE TRUCK CAMS TO THE FACTORTY LS3 CAM (VERY SIMILAR SPECS TO THE STAGE 1 TRK CAM). THE I COMPARED THE TRUCK CAMS TO THE POPULAR SLOPPY STAGE 2 CAM AND ILLUSTRATED WHY I WANT TO THEST THE NEW BTR TRUCK NORRIS CAM SO BADLY.
I can't wait for you to test the Truck Norris cam!!!
Funny they made this right after I requested a tight LSA towing cam….NICE
Truck Norris Cam tests!
So this is basically the answer to my question last week witch is awesome then o wait I have another cam "trucknorris" that should be exactly what u want but now we have to wait again! 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ U do a great job with the videos and info for everything I'm always on the edge of my seat when I get a Richard notification!
Sloppy Stage 2, once again shows how well it really works well as an overall great choice and it’s cheaper!!
I was telling Richard the same thing. For a great low cost 6.0 build, you can't go wrong with a sloppy stage 2 cam. A used set of rec port heads and a used ls3 intake and fuel setup! You are now making 500+ hp and 475+ of tq! You can't do any better unless you are buying performance heads, intake or fuel systems
@@crw3673 maybe my first setup on my lq4 when I get it
So would the sloppy 2 be a good street/driver / cruiser cam too?
@@navorgonzalez2744my question as well
Love this! Trucks are what most people drive everyday, At least where I live
Awesome video!
Cams for trucks is a great subject for me. Would like to see more. 6.0 with the 706 heads, different stroke mods....
more vids from the hardest working man on youtube!
Boy, I’m going to have to wait on your Trucknorris test. I have a ‘12 2500 Suburban that needs a truck cam to compliment ARH long tubes and a custom tune. I was all set to do a Stage 1 to give me the most down low, but then you go and lob this goodness out there today. Now, I wait…
I have an 08 burban 2500. I would love to do any of that to it! Always surprises people when they see the 8 lugs.
Truck Norris cam please! Thanks for the great content, Richard!
L77 fan here, stoked for this vid
The 706 heads have the best compression to flow ratio, that's why they produce great low end power. I got a 04 LQ4 that's getting 862s, sloppy stage 2 cam and e85 injectors. I'm still debating on the tuner....
This is a great video! Very helpful as always. Looking forward to seeing the truck Norris cam test. I’m lq4 with ls3 top end, btr stg 3 Truck v2. Nice to see super close to my build.
Nice range of cam options chosen! I would love to seen with this motor the addition of testing the SDPC LS6 Power Max Plus and the factory LS7 cam and TSP stg 1 LS3 cam.
Just watched the 6.0 head test with the cathedral head and the 317 and ls3 before this cam test!!!I have a 6.0 with the 317 heads and I really think the new truck Norris cam or The NSR cam would be great for power to 6000 in a light car!
I just picked up a BTR S2V2 Truck cam for a 6.0 L96 build. Excited to see what it will do.
I am wanting to build a 6.0 for my 98 k2500. These cam videos are great.
In a car, the bigger cam is the winner in this test. The ideal cam would have tighter LSA and coordinated drop in duration to fit. Something around 110 would be great
That comp 54-469-11 is really hard to beat in a 6.0/6.2 performance build.
What do you think about the Summit 8710 or 8711 camshafts? Especially for the price, against the comp camshaft?
@@crw3673 I'm not an authority on camshafts. But like everyone else, I have opinions. The Comp Cam is 231/247 and Lift .617/.624. Summit's Stage 3 is 230/242 113+3, .625/.605 Lift and the Stage IV is 234/247 113 +3.5 .625/.605 Lift. Numbers-wise, there isn't a huge difference in intake duration, or exhaust duration, or even lift. *IF* the "best" cam in the bunch made 25 dyno (flywheel) hp more than the "worst" in the bunch, would you notice it on the street? Maybe in a very light car... So then there's quality and customer service. Both companies have solid products and great customer service. That's my opinion. Comp Cams LSR lobes are supposed to be the latest and greatest designs. Unless you're engineer, how can you argue? Tip top technology is not cheap. Is the extra $150 worth it over a Summit cam which is probably a solid time-tested design? I can't answer that one.
@@scotttimpany2845 appreciate your explanation and response
@@scotttimpany2845. All good choices. My 394Ci 6.4L Hemi Stroker in my heavy Ram 1500 Crew Cab 4dr has a 233/246 112LSA with +5 advance. Cam was made to give lots of bottom end and midrange revving out to 6,500. Could have gone bigger in the intake because of the valve reliefs, but I wanted it to drive great on the street. It drives very well, running a 3,600 stall as well with 3.55gears.
Would the comp 54-469-11 cam work in a 6.0L LY6 if the Lobe separation was 110 instead of 113
Wish you tube had a love option!! Thanks for answering my questions!!!
You are so welcome!
My favorite Texas speed cam in the chop monster BFD
GREAT NAME
I'm curious as to what Truck Norris will do in a 6.0. Even a 6.2.
I have one in a 4.8 (4" intake, ls3 throttle, tbss, 55lb/hr, ls6+ springs, 1 5/8 short tube, Magnaflow y pipe, 3" catback), and one in a short stroke 5.3(same as 4.8 except 799 heads, flat top pistons, 1 7/8" long tubes, x-pipe after transmission, 3" exhaust).
Given the similar output of the 5.3 BTR posts to the power of an ls2, I believe a rec port head 6.0 will get close to the 450 on both measurements. I want to see what it does because I am in the midst of building a 4th gen f-body with an ls2 swap.
Another great video. Love watching these. Lots of great information and another point of view to learn something new.
a short stroke 5.3l is still a 4.8L (they came with 799/243 heads on the gen 4)
@@richardholdener1727 by a short stroke 5.3 I mean 6.0 with 4.8 crank.
🙋♂️ hand up. Thanks Richard
You just answered a ton of questions for me. Thanks
Been wanting a cam for my 2500HD 6.0 for a few years now and keep thinking Sloppy 2. I'm gonna order now, that is all.
Personally, I wouldn't go with anything bigger than the BTR stage 2 truck cam if you tow..... Otherwise, it's a pretty streetable cam. I ran one in a 5.3 for about a year, and even in a smaller engine it was very streetable.
I fearlessly predict the Truck Norris cam will be the be-all-and-end-all cam for the 4.8.
I got a cam ground for my stock 4.8 with long tubes. And I lucked out, seeing how I knew way less than I do now. I made it 216/220 110+2. Low speed torque was compimised, but started pulling hard around 2700, pulled the hardest 5000-5500, and dropped off shortly after 7000. With the 4l60e trans, it worked best shifting outta 1st at 7100, and 2nd, 3rd shift points were at 6700. The 4.8 makes a small cam seem big. The truck Norris should suit it well.
Youre looking at300hp 300torque to the wheels with truck Norris cam on a 4.8
I love these videos, Still trying to figure out which cam to put in my LQ4 that's getting a 4L80E behind it in a Chevelle and these help a ton. I just want a really great all around cruiser and have been really leaning towards a Stage 3 high lift truck cam/Sloppy 1.5(Elgin 1839p) type cam. Sent my 317's out to get the PRC stage 1 porting and doing a simple .030 over with flattops and plan on keeping the truck intake. Keep up the great work!
Whatever cam you think you want, after looking at all the specs, buy the next step down. You'll thank me later
@@jasonhooey5677 why
@@erictapia7806 because most people have a tendency to over cam their engines. You will not feel the extra 15 HP high up in the RPM range, but you will feel the 25 Ft-Lbs of lost torque down low.
The sloppy stage 2 is actually pretty streetable, but the truck cam has better low end. It really depends on how much you want to play with it.
I would have went with 243 heads, even with the flat tops. It bumps up the compression some, which really helps with low end torque. The 243 heads flow almost exactly the same as the 317.
@@doc221978 I figure 10:1 is about all I want to push on 91, That's the best available go go juice in a 60 mile radius. It's my Wife's dream car so I need to keep it somewhat civil and looking to go about 2800 max on the converter. I can always toss some boost on it down the road, that cheap Vortech LS swap kit looks like a great option. First chevy build for me, I've only played with oddballs before like a built 240hp 300-6 and a 300rwhp SC 3.8L Ford.
Great information as I am wanting to put a 6.0 in my 06 sierra
Can you do a max effort ls3 cam like the f35 cam vs the ss4 GPI CAM
Really great cam test 🤩🤩
Great info as usually, thank you for spending the time and hard work to bring us this information! Excited to see what you get w/ the Truck-Norris cam. Please include torque cam with the Truck-Norris comparison and please start the dyno at a low RPM like 2k for the guys in search of max torque.
@@hendo337 so what is it you’re selling?
can u try the lsxceleration truck cams
Still cannot wait for truck Norris video!
The only thing that's prevented me from getting a Truck Norris cam for my 4.8 Silverado is not wanting extra neutrals in its 4L60
Valhalla awaits your 4L60. Do the right thing.
I was looking at the truck Norris cam but went with the Elgin sloppy stage 2 in a lq4 with 243 heads and all new internals. Unfortunately it'll be infront of a 08 4l60e with a 40k cooler. Hopefully it last a while till I can afford a built 4l60e bc a 4l80e swap isn't gonna be easy in my 4x4 Silverado.
I run a cam from Richard.. :) easy nuff.. makes so little difference after you break away from stockers , just adjust the rpm up and down a bit..
Another great vid. Thanks Richard!
Why at 6:24 does he say SS2 cam but it says Summit Cam 17?
Btr ls3 stage 4 in the ly6 with the ls3 intake.
Richard my man, I got one for you. How about larger cams then the factory LQ4 that DO NOT CHOP. I want to put a larger cam in my 2500hd that doesn’t chop but makes more power from idle to 5000-5500rpm give or take. It might sound ridiculous but that’s not what I’m going for in this truck I refer to as my “tow pig” it lives it’s life below 4000rpm beside when I open it up once in a blue moon that’s what I have my other truck for. A video on this would be stellar, I enjoy the videos showing gains up top but am also interested in gains as previously mentioned for my daily driver
The Truck Norris should be what you want. It'll chop though. Just keep a big muffler on it to quiet it down. Its also stock torque converter friendly.
@@cameronf2758 my buddy put one in his truck and it sounds nice just not what I’m looking for. For optimal drivability and performance it definitely needs a stall. It doesn’t buck against the converter but clunks when going into drive/reverse because the factory stall is so tight. It was tuned by a highly reputable tuner so I doubt it’s the tune
Truck norris cam will be tested on a 5.3 or 6.0??
Callies (the crank & rod guys) have an interesting stage 1 LS cam. 210/218 on a 108lsa, 105icl, with 550ish lift. Should be a challenge for Truck Norris😁
it won't be
When are you expecting to get your hands on the new btr truck cams and truck Norris
I’m really torn between upgrading to the truck norris cam and the tsp chopacabra. Tsp looks better on paper with slightly more aggressive duration but has 1 degree more lsa
you are likely talking about minimal differences, but I plan to test
@@richardholdener1727 I agree but it’d be cool to see that “do all” cam get dethroned
Did you ever follow up and run the truck Noris cam in a 6 liter? Also would love to see it with 799 heads / cathedral port as well as rec port.
Is there a part number or who makes the sloppy stage 2 cam?
I'm confused about one thing, how did the BTR stage 3 truck cam make less power in the lower RPMs than the sloppy stage 2 even though the sloppy stage 2 has more duration intake and exhaust and has a bigger lobe separation angle?
This would be way more useful
Info on a cathedral port 6.0
same relative gains
Awesome vids! Please try a truck Norris cam on a 6.0
Is that a real thing? Lol
Yes it's a new one from btr
@Richard Holdener Why does this dyno test seem to have much higher results than the 6.0L 799 head swap. Using the 459 cam but all these number seem to be higher. Is the Ly6 head that much better than the 799 on the 6.0L?
the LY6 head flows 315 cfm, the 799 head flows 245-250 cfm. Chevy out the 799 vs ls3 head test (the ls3 heads were wroth 30+ hp over the 799 on this 6.0L)
@@richardholdener1727 well that makes sense. Tell me the 317 is so much worse that it makes my 799 purchase not hurt so much!
Want to see a Sloppy Stage 3!
How much longer before you test a truck norris cam vs sloppy stage 2 on a 6.0-6.2😁
Hello Richard the sloppy stage 2 cam .can be run with the gm performance blue beehive springs.
550 lift springs with a 585 lift cam? would depend on installed height
@@richardholdener1727 yes Richard
Would like to swap a 6.0 in my Waggoner but I'm worried about tip in and super low rpm tq for crawling
The earliest 6.0l lq4 has the same cam as a 4.8/5.3. Failing that BTR makes a truck torque cam, thats what its called, that outperforms the stock 5.3l cam in a 5.3l from under 2000rpm to redline. I know what you mean, who cares about 30hp at 5500rpm when you need it to respond to a breath on the pedal when youre holding it with the brakes.
Maybe a mostly stock lq4 with 706 heads. I did that on my work truck, and it's got plenty of torque..... For using cheap factory parts, I was surprised it does so good. It's a stock rebuild except for the heads.
It looks like a mild 350 with vortech heads might make more off idle tq but at that point I might as well leave the AMC 360 in it so I don't know what to do
Cams have always played a huge play in any engine especially a ls the heads have everything to do with that
Did you do a video with the 6.0 and the 299,317,702 with these cam?How much would you loose or gane with the cathedral port heads?
all of those are cath port heads
Do this with modern options of the gen 5 lt1 not the 5.3 the 6.2. I know you have some stuff but still not enough information on what's best overall and with or without vvt and with phaser locks vs without and smaller cam. What about ptv on gen5 lt1? I'm considering gpi stage 3 cam but says need a converter. I road race and can't change converter
I know this is going to sound odd but I'm really big on power from 1500-3000rpm because driving around town spend 96% of our time is spent in that rpm range. Most of your tests seem to be 2500rpm and up. I'm trying to decide if I should do a 212/218 or a 208/212. Either would be about .550 lift and about 112lsa but obviously I want good top end but I would rather not sacrifice any of my low end torque. I have an 11.0:1 compression 6.0 with 243 heads in a Silverado 2500hd. I've been trying for months to decide which cam to upgrade to, when I built the engine I used an lm7 cam just to get it in the truck and I love the bottom end grunt but I want some top end to go with it. Thanks in advance if you get time to help with my question!
Did you try a new cam?
@@djmcdonald5508 I haven't decided yet between the BTR NSR stage 1 or the towing cam from BTR. And I'm also considering the truck Norris cam but I don't know if I want to deal with the lopy idol to be totally honest
Could you do a BTR stage 3 vs TSP stage 3 vs RCR sportsmen pro on a 6.0 Ls2? Seems like everyone is running the stage 3 or the rcr in there street cars with a Ls2. Thanks
Richard do a video using roller lifter on a flat tappet cam and see if theirs a power Gain and to see how smooth the engine runs I meat a guy that says he puts roller lifters on his flat tappet cam
YOU CAN'T DO THAT ON V8 CAMS-THE FLAT TAPPET CAMS ARE NOT BILLET CORES-IT WILL WEAR OUT THE CAM
I understand maybe the dude was blowing smoke up my A$$
So.... fly cut pistons on the intake side could be a thing????
Richard. I have a 6.0 with cathedral port heads and a comp 54-456-11was wondering why you haven’t tested it yet? My truck runs well with this cam.
Would love to see a video using the sloppy stage 3 cam
IT WON'T FIT STOCK P-V
Really? I have a few friends running it on stock lq4 6.0 with 243 heads
I put a .620/.604, 230.1/246.4 on a 111.5 lsa in a lq9 flat top. That must be right on the edge of ptv clearance
I have a l96 6.0. My plan is twin gt45s. Going in a 79 fox mustang. My question is if 231/243 .618"/.617" 115+5 will work in an all stock engine.
add ring gap and check p-v
So how big can you go if you DO have valve reliefs in your pistons?
And how big is it worth going with 317's and a tbss intake?
you can go very big-but the cam is only 1 part of the power equation
Do a 429 build with aluminum cj heads
Whats the best-cam for my ctsv 6.0
I'm wondering if Chuck knows about this cam. Could possibly hurt if he don't like it. 😖😲😵🤕
Any videos of the BTR N/A cams? I’m looking for one in a 6.0 if possible.
Best one for towing really heavy?
Wonder what my HP and Torque specs are? 🤔.
Funny, you talked more about a cam that you don't even have than the cams you do have. That truck Norris had better be something special or I'm gonna unsubscribe! Just kidding, thanks for another great video.💪😀
You got any videos o the lq9 lq4
Hey Richard. Always great stuff. Thank you. What is going on with the Richard Holdener Cam's for Sale project?
SEND ME AN EMAIL-I HAVE ONE LEFT-killerbe16@aol.com
Since you've ran just about every combo under the sun I was wondering if you knew something off the top of your head. Thanks to your recommendation I put a SS2 in my LS2. Very happy with it, it made 430whp in my GTO without breaking a sweat. But I was thinking about stepping up to 1.8 roller rockers mostly because theres alot more options in that department over the 1.7's. Since ratio shouldn't effect duration I should be fine with the piston to valve clearance right? I really dont wanna tear it down and check just to swap rocker arms
i hope you have very good valve springs for the heavy rockers
Would love to see a video on how widening the LSA and tightening the LSA otherwise known as overlap tips the talk and horsepower curves on a twin cam engine. I know what would happen it would just be fantastic to see it graphically
ua-cam.com/video/JUHwVCDjonU/v-deo.html
you can change the lsa with adding overlap on mild cams
Terrific video like always. Please answer me on this. Totally stock 2007 LQ4 engine I’m not going to boost it I have new stock lifters new oil pump new gaskets. I’m going to run long tube headers and full 3 in exhaust with the truck intake. What cam would you put in it??? Thank you
FOR A DAILY DRIVER LOOK AT THE BTR TRUCK NORRIS CAM
@@richardholdener1727 right on. Thank you for answering!!!!
6.0s are great. I have a clapped out 6.5 diesel i'm thinking about doing my 1st LS swap on. Wanna run a carb and a stand alone controller for 95 4l80e. Any sugestions for a cost effective trans controller?
Terminator X Max. Will control engine and transmission. By the time you buy a carb, intake, ignition box and standalone controller TXM will be more cost effective
Holley terminator X Max and use it to run the trans AND engine. EFI is the way man
@@dalethomas9307 I was hoping to simplify the instal and wireing as much as possible. So i was thinking a trans controller only
Get a Holiday HP or a Holly Dominator don’t mess with the Terminator X junk friend of mine has had three bad ones. Do not run a carburetor would be going backwards. The reason why LS engines run so well with turbos is because of electronic tuning.
@@danielsullivan9865 Well if i do it i want it to be as simple as possible. I'm thinking that we may not be able to get alot a fancy electronics in the future. I'm even thinking about running the trans full manual.
Was wondering is there any specific reason why the vtc isn't being used ?? This is where the balance of low end and top end power can be greatly improved for best of both ends ? Which is why there's a good reason for eliminating it ?
I'm guessing you mean vvt. Most aftermarket controllers won't work with it. To use vvt you need to run a GM ECM, and he is using an aftermarket controller.
@Jonathan Robbins good point that makes sense, with the advantages and Hp/trq gained from cam being advanced/retarded in relation to rpm would be a optional in aftermarket ecu tuning abilities ,but still those power numbers are respectable
During the graph where you talk about the truck Norris cam and then go on to speak about 10hp difference, what cam is what? Your descriptions at the top don't really say which is which and when you displayed the cam specs around the 8min mark, they were all in the same color. Do you think you could label the names at the top is such a way that it would be something like " BTR sloppy stage 2" or a part number or something else easy to find instead of "final LS3 intake & summit cam17". I have no clue which cam that is.
the big cams makes the most peak power-the stock one makes the least, the truck cam makes 2nd most
@@richardholdener1727 lol.. I understand that. I'm asking for say... Part numbers at the top of your Dyno tests. Not just this video but all future videos. If you could please. Thanks
If going turbo and going for about 1k hp, looks like the go to cam isn't on the list. Would want a really soft mid range with big top end power, correct?
ANY OF THESE CAMS (EXCEPT STOCK) WILL MAKE 1000 HP
Truck Norris vs sloppy stage 2!
WOOP WOOP LS TIME
Do u got a video of how much more gains u can get from straight Y pipe vs muffler only Y pipe for a 6.0 lq4 ?
SEE THE EXHAUST TEST VID
Hi I have a Silverado SS 2006 with LQ9,iwant the most torque i can , i will put when the shipping come, Sloppy stage 2 cam,long tube headers 1 3/4, 243 heads ported,TBSS intake ported,i will advanced the cam timing by 4-6 degres if i can. i have a 4.8 stall converter in me new 4l65. Do you know guys how many HP and torque i will have ?
Question?! Will better flowing heads let the cam carry further in rpm ? Like even a couple 100 rpms? Or would it drop off at the same rpm for the same cam ?
flow can help rpm
you know the min you dyno the truck norris cam that they will be flying off the shelf
Can you run a 61cc head on a 6.0 with flat tops with a stage 3 btr cam and not have ptv issues?
which stage 3
@@richardholdener1727 stage 3 truck cam, latest revision.
So do you have one of those truck Norris came on the way or what
NOT YET
Say it brother!!!!
Ever dyno a old gm hotcam? Or any of the gmpp cams?
How would the summit 8711 cam work with this setup?
so I did a mirror build of your ly6, ls3 intake and ss2 cam. Going in a c5 6spd corvette. what size injectors should I use and what plugs? your dyno showed 514 peak ....I'm hoping 450hp to the wheels
IT WILL BE CLOSER TO 400 WHP AND YOU NEED 40 POUND INJECTORS OR SO
Is truck Norris able to me be turbo with tight lobe
YES-IT WORKS WELL
I am working on a daily driver, and would like best power from 2,000 to3,500 rpm. Can you help me?
stock
@@richardholdener1727 6.0l ls from junk yard,stock
Great Video Richard!! did you ever do any testing with the Vinci Trucker type cams? Are the BTR cams just going to be better?
Rodger Vinci is doing the cam for my 403 build. It’s a 225/232 114. He is a super nice guy, and very knowledgeable. He’s my go to guy for street driven cams.
Hey I was wondering what is the difference between the stock cam(vvt) vs the stock 6.0 cam? Is there a big difference?
I'VE never run vvt on the gen 4
Most aftermarket systems won't control the vvt. I'm guessing that's probably why he's never tested one..... But I could be wrong about that.
How much more fuel would the SS2 use on a daily driver ?
it's not a good choice for MPG
@@richardholdener1727 whats the best cam for economy ? Stock i take it with an edit ?
Richard, I watch your stuff. Show me various 6.0 truck cams TQ 1500 to 2200 RPMs please. I want to upgrade a '02 avalanche from 5.3 to 6.0
YOU ARE NEVER AT WOT AT 1500 RPM
@@richardholdener1727 OK. good answer. Then how do I know the best econo-cam? I'm at 4500 ft. above sea level. the 5.3 with 273,000 is tired. I don't want to down shift to pull what I think should be easy hills, so I want to upgrade to 6.0. Like a LQ9. Is that stock LQ9 cam going to be as good as it gets? Thanks. Tom
Good video are you planning on doing testing of the sloppy stage 3 camshaft ???
no sir-it won't fit stock p-v
@@richardholdener1727 it did on my setup I have a LS1 with 241 heads with a .0.40 gasket and I have no problem with it
Rich Please! 392 hemi cam swaps and mods video!